Draft Blogging, pt. ii
by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 25, 2009 7:58 PM CDT
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You can't trade the kid. If anyone has a link to a picture with him in a Wolves hat, please place it in the comments.
- 7:52- Indy takes Psycho T
- 7:56- Phoenix takes Earl Clark. Rumors of an Amare to GSW deal abound. Phoenix is in full-fledged rebuilding mode. Did Phoenix just take Clark for Minny?
- 8:03- Detroit takes Austin Daye. So much for any Clark/Daye dreams at 18 for the Wolves. Quick thought on the Flynn/Rubio business. The more I think about it, the more I can see the benefit in taking the top 2 players on your board if you're a bad team. However, with guys like Lawson and Maynor still on the board, if a team wants a stout PG, they can get it for a lot less than what the Wolves are probably asking. Perhaps the Wolves will tell Rubio to stay over another year. Maybe there is something in his buyout that speaks to this. Perhaps the amount goes down. If that's the case, this is a fantastic pick and they can play Flynn for a year while Rubio stays in Europe and then they trade one of them in the loaded 2010 draft. I'm not sold on Flynn as a player but that wasn't a bad pick.
- 8:08-Bulls take James Johnson from Wake. Apparently he's a martial arts champion.
- 8:13-Holiday finally goes. The Sixers got great value with Jrue falling.
- 8:20-At 18 the Wolves grab their third point guard with Ty Lawson. Crazy. Something's gotta give.
- 8:21-And give it does: Lawson to Denver for Charlotte's future 1st rounder.
- 8:26- Hawks grab Jeff Teague
- 8:32- Jazz grab Eric Maynor. Love freaks out over all the point guards: "what are we doing????????????????? omg we better trade....what are we doing??????????? i dont even know"
- 8:34- First mention from Wolves that Rubio may not come over next season.
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8:34-Protection on Charlotte's pick from Denver is top 12 protected in 2010, top 10 protected in 2011, top 8 protected in 2012, top 3 protected in 2013, and unprotected in the 2014.
- 8:40-Portland grabs Victor Claver with number 22., a Spaniard.
- 8:42-With #23, Sacramento goes with Omri Casspi. Let's hear it for the Israelis.
- 8:50-Mullens, only the 2nd center to be drafted falls to the Mavericks at 24.
- 8:54-OKC takes Rodrique Beaubois and flips him back to Dallas for Mullens. No word on what other parts are involved.
- 9:00-Can't believe Chicago passed on DeJuan Blair at 26, but they did and took Taj Gibson. Seems like a reach for Gibson based on the mocks.
- 9:04-The Grizz snatch up DeMarre Caroll. Let's hope the Wolves get Calathes and land 4 points guards.
- 9:10-The Wolves use 28 on Wayne Ellington. Solid pick. A guard, but not a point guard. I'll take it.
- Lakers take Toney Douglas and the Cavs take Christian Eyenga
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Bilas
Just finished talking about length and pullupability-how long until he slips and says pulloutability?
Not as much as
his “second jumpability”
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet Shawn Kemp wished he had learned that...
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
i learned about that
…in health class
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I didn't know
you went to Catholic school.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
St. Kevin's
In South Minneapolis…followed by Creighton. I have massive amounts of guilt.
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They are insisting insisting insisting that
they won’t trade either.
I’m completely flummoxed.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions
You know who the best guy is going to be at 18?
Ty Lawson. Has to happen
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions
The Plan?
Who is going to replace Foye & Millers 26 pts/game?
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Chad Ford says..
“My gut says that Rubio will be the one who’s moved and Flynn will stay. But we’ll see.”
Please no.
Damn it.
I’m thinking the same way Chad Ford is. I feel dirty.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Chad Ford
Hasn’t proven too prescient with his mock draft
They might get a shot at
Blair. Who they have no need for but might be the BPA.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
I've been on his bandwagon too...
He really started to shed his soft / choker image this year. He has so much physical ability…would love to see us take a chance on him…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Ellington, I think
Will make some 2nd round contender happily surprised
As I thought
The best player left is Lawson. I double dog dare Kahn to take him
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions
The Flynn pick is sitting there..
..like Shelden Williams. Obviously, we can’t know, but just glancing up and down – it is the least justifiable right? By like a mile.
No doubt
I doubt they are picking for themselves. I don’t want it either
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
If we take Casspi or Blair...
I think that confirms we have a deal in place with SAC…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Why do we want evens so bad?
the kid cant shoot and either can rubio. We need someone to spread out the defense. I just dont get it???
Because Rubio and Evans...
is better than Rubio and Flynn. I’m grasping at straws here! Work with me!
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
The rumor...
via SLAM is Rubio to the Knicks for Nate Robinson and Hill.
I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you that it’s not true.
by The Walker Wiggle on Jun 25, 2009 8:17 PM CDT reply actions
Woj now also reporting Knicks are in pursuit of Rubio.
“The New York Knicks are working hard to cut a deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves to acquire guard Ricky Rubio, a Western Conference said.
One league GM said a deal ‘isn’t 100 percent,’ but likely."
by The Walker Wiggle on Jun 25, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Love that last TV shot of our draft room
had a “Holy Shit” what do we do now feel to it!!
I wanted him, so screw it if we have three pgs. Now we have to run a fast break team. Lawson, Rubio, Telfair, these guys are all fast break pgs.
by oblivionspocket on Jun 25, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Lawson...
AHAHAHA…… Awesome. Well it’s good value. Zero on the need scale?
Watch us trade Lawson and Rubio
And Flynn flames out.
He took my double dog dare!
obviously not staying
by Eric in Madison on Jun 25, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions
Convinces me...
more than ever that Kahn has a number of pots on the burners. Looking forward to see how he finishes this off.
There has been a deal
Lawson to Denver for future pick
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Lawson...
for a future Charlotte #1. I’m OK with that…likely to be lottery.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Bassy Telfair just called the draft room...
they couldn’t make out what he was saying for all the tears
Decent value in a weak draft...
Might be a good move to trade for a future pick. Not sure about net present value.
Good move by Kahn.
Getting more assets. If 2010 is the year the big man, then you have dry powder to possibly make something happen. Potentially 3 firsts next year.
Zagoda on Lawson
Lawson’s going to Denver for a future first-round pick owed the Nuggets by Charlotte.
Guys
I said yesterday that we had to move at least 1 st rounder – 2 if Kahn wants to resign Carney. We were out of roster space – unless we wanted to use 1st rounders on Euros to stash (a 1st round stash pick would be a huge strike against Kahn in my book – after the need to rebuild the roster quotes)
never mind..
…that they have 10 forwards and 4 points right now ;)
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Ugh - check out these Rubio quotes after he was drafted
On the weather in Minneapolis: “It’s cold there. My mom hates cold places. But we are going to see.”
On whether he was excited to go to Minnesota: “I’m excited to come to the NBA.”
Plus this from Kahn:
Kahn also shared with fans attending a draft rally the possibility that Rubio might not be playing in Minnesota next season at all.
Sounds like buyout concerns??
The buyout...
is not a concern. The kid was making something like 80K / year in Europe. Now that the buyout is reduced to $4mil, he will net about $5 mil over 3 years on his Rookie deal.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Get ready to be dissapointed MN; No rubio no lawson
Just flynn, some lame veteran or two, and a future draft pick
The Lawson pick
Denver traded their 2008 first rounder for Charlotte’s 2009 1st rounder (lottery protected in 2009, top 12 protected in 2010, top 10 protected in 2011, top
Things are spinning out of control...
I am seriously doubting we ever see Rubio here. We just traded away 18. That leaves us with a backcourt of Flynn, Bassy, and Bobby Brown. YUCK!!!
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Look for another move
Don’t be surprised if Wolves use this pick and something else for Gerald Wallace. Kahn wants a dynamic 26-27 year old and Wallace fits the mold. Also a way for Wolves to use expiring contracts to upgrade.
agreed....
…they have a lot of room for movement tonight and after july 1st
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I don't doubt that.
I’m just feeling that the movement is going to involve keeping Flynn and moving Rubio. I really, really don’t like Flynn much.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's be clear
We traded 2 solid NBA performers with valuable expiring contracts to get the #5 pick to use it on a player who may not want to play for us.
Hope this is not true – but I am getting a sick feeling.
Agreed.
The Washington trade was the right move. It’s just that moving Rubio makes me uneasy, especially since we’re left with Flynn.
He must have really impressed McHale Kahn at that dinner.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Playing in Europe
is damn good money. Teams pay taxes, teams provide housing, teams provide cars. You play 1 time per week in your country’s league and 1 time per week in the Euro league.
The only thing to be worried about – not all teams are owned by wealthy individuals. You can get stuck with a poor (non wealthy) owner that may not be able to pay you.
Rubio's 2009 contract is for
300,000 Euros = $425,000. Tax free. Plus living expenses.
Equivalent to ~1M NBA salary.
He is also on the Euro equivalent of the “Rookie” scale and will see a sizable jump at age 21.
Rookie scale
http://www.nbpa.org/cba_exhibits/exhibitB.php
For Rubio:
2009/10: $2,724,300
2010/11: $2,928,600
2011/12: $3,132,900 (option)
Currently playing on an HBO channel...
Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan. Eerie.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jun 25, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions
Flynn
is absolutely a fine pick. Athletic as hell, a true point.
The problem is #5 for Rubio…….
Yeah, a true PG . . .
that’s a weak scorer, that can’t shoot, can’t defend, and saw his stock rise based on pre-draft workouts and interviews.
I tweeted that
and got back possible – but not until July 1. Dependent on Lee’s decision/demands.
He won't want to go to Memphis
and the Griz won’t want to pay him massive dollars with Gasol and Thabeet in the front court.
Shaq's...
talking about he hasn’t talked to LeBron yet, but that he’s been having “mental conversations” with LBJ. Hilarious…think we should start trying to have mental conversations with Kahn right now?!?!?!?
Maybe if we trade Rubio to New York...
We can convince them to take Darius Songalia’s contract off our hands!
Since we traded #18...
Who do we take at #28? We desperately need backcourt players.
Budinger, Ellington, yet another PG?
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
I was worried about this...
Kahn formed a Brokeback Mountain man-crush on Flynn, and just wouldn’t let reality change his opinion. Typical rookie mistake. Just like when Zygi Wilf fell in love with Brad Childress…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Yeah, it's a dumb move.
This player’s a great guy! He said his biggest flaws were that he works too hard and that he’s too selfless!
You ever noticed that people who are big bullshitters are often really prone to falling for other people’s bullshit?
by princelyfrank on Jun 25, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't know if I can take trading away Rubio after he fell to us and still be a T-Wolves fan.
I mean, I will, but only because I’ve been abused so long I apparently crave punishment.
by princelyfrank on Jun 25, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
We will have to
I just don’t see him coming here.
I don’t believe anyone thought we could get him. We had to take him. Now we have to get value for him.
If that's the case
I declare him a prima donna and we shoulda let him drop to hurt his contract value
Well that's good news.
Presti seems under the impression Mullens will be worth it. His mistake.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulls are loving this...
No doubt they take Blair here…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
If we trade Rubio
We better then trade for Curry or I hope the wolves curse themselves for the rest of existence.
Some good news.
Also from Woj, “Timberwolves officials are thus far resisting the advances of the Knicks and the wishes of the player’s agent and insisting that Rubio will stay in Minnesota.”
by The Walker Wiggle on Jun 25, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions
Well...
there goes my 2nd round man crush (Gibson). Of course, after trading for Washington’s entire frontcourt, we didn’t really need him anymore.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
It's another Starbury
YAY!! we got our PG… Oh wait he hates playing in/refuses to play in MN
A question
How long do we hold Rubios rights for? I think money will rule the day and he will play here.
The Blair-Flynn Project?
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Jun 25, 2009 9:07 PM CDT reply actions
Lets
trade Rubio for a veteran, and then trade for Curry so we have someone to shoot :)
We have no shooting guards people!!!
No stashing here. Take Budinger. Great talent…good gamble at this spot…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
If we wanted Johnson ...
.why didnt we use 18 and 28 to move up and get him?
Why trade 18 this year for 14 next year or 17 in two years (guessing obviously). Why? There is more value in Lawson than that
Is the trade of Ty confirmed or rumored?
I am new to this site (Vikings Blogger) O follow all my Minny teams here in FL but have to confess I am not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to basketball-just a fan.
I see our next pick is generating some activity. I’’ check back
Another North Carolina 2 guard...
Can’t wait for the Ellington-??? Death Match…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
What the hell!
Another guard??? This is why I am not a T-wolves fanatic
This is like drafting 4 running backs in a row.
Someone make sense of this for me
Lawson's gone
Ellington is a shooter not a PG. We’ve got lots of forwards… And I’m skeptical we keep both flynn and rubio anyways
Yeah, earlier Bilas said..
..Blair ‘absolutely beasted Thabeet.’ I think Thabeet needs to get used to being beasted.
So...
If we keep Rubio (and get him next year) and Ellington along with getting something decent for Flynn, I would consider this draft a pretty good success.
Switch the names Rubio and Flynn above and I call it a letdown
I don't want to piss anybody but this link...
http://www.marca.com/2009/06/26/baloncesto/nba/1245982412.html
It’s Ricky’s father saying Ricky is probably staying in Europe for a while
Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!
We'll see what happens.
But I’m not surprised by this at all.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 25, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Easeus if you're from Melbourne you'll be
familiar with the Chris Judd deal.
And the job his mother got.
Whats this about the Judd deal?
You talking about him moving back to Melbourne to be with his family?
One of the best three Australian footballers ever
was traded last year; this is like moving LeBron. But the league runs a hard cap and penalises teams heavily for stepping over. This included jobs on the side. Evidently it doesn’t included family. Judd’s mother, who is a poet and folk singer, got a job at a paper recycling plant.
Ahh right didn't know that
I’m from Perth, big Eagles fan haha but never heard of that. Does that have something to do with Pratt then (Carlton boss), he owns a cardboard company right?
Maybe they should give Rubio’s mom a job somewhere in MN. Somewhere warm…
Even my rusty Spanish can make it out...
The significant quotes:
“With this selection, it’s possible Ricky plays a year or two more in Europe.”
“Anything is possible, but it is more probable that he stays in Europe longer.”
“We have to talk to the people from Minnesota…and see what happens because as of this moment, we could be in Minnesota or somewhere else.”
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Rubio will never wear a Wolves uniform...
Things are different in Europe. If a player wants to be traded, it is far more culturally acceptable to sit out or feign injury to force your team’s hand. Happens in European soccer all the time. If Rubio’s agent is already maneuvering against us, we have no leverage.
Damn shame. All the promise of this draft, and all we end up with is Flynn. I’m going to throw up and then go to bed…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
A. Rubio has not said he doesn’t want to be here
B. If that’s true, is it possible that the Flynn choice plays a part in that? Supposedly he wanted minutes and the ball in his hands. To draft another high PG undercuts that.
He knows what the pecking order will be.
Rubio has been playing pro ball for a while; he’ll back himself against Flynn surely.
"Rubio has not said he doesn’t want to be here"
No, his agent and dad have already taken care of that for him…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Surely they spoke to his agent.
I don’t mind drafting him and leveraging him for a trade if that we knew this would happen all along, but if they didn’t know this would happen that is David Kahn’s fault.
This is...
not going to end well for us. Today is possibly a new low point in Wolves history.
Unless they have some big trade worked out
I think they’ll sell Rubio on Minny. I kind of liked the idea of him and Law in the same backcourt. Seems there is still some who have the jusry out on Flynn.
Lawson>Flynn
I really think Flynn is overrated but we’ll see.
This night is not going as planned.
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We should package our 2 second round picks and move up
Getting Chase Budinger a legit small forward who can shoot well would be a steal and would make me feel a little better that we didnt get curry…. a little better….
traduction -sorry for my english :P
4.10 in the morning. Esteve Rubio answers our phone call to give us his first impressions of what happened in the Draft. And he makes it clear: “With this pick, it is possible that Ricky will play one or two more years in Europe.”
Is pretty clear for the player’s father: “He can go (to the NBA) now, he can wait a year… even two. Everything is open, though the most probable thing is for him to stay in Europe for some time. We have to talk with Minnesota… and see what happens, because, at this point, we can be in Minnesota or somewhere else” he declared.
For the family, the Draft has been an incredible experience. Ricky enjoyed it, even in the tougher moments. It is an experience that happens just once in life. We had a great time."
Llull breaks the record
for most L’s in the shortest surname. And he is pick 34 to Denver. Who have as many point guards as us now.
Basically:
Saying that he really believes that they can both play together and that he has talked to Rubio’s agent and said that the option is there for Rubio to play a year or even two in Spain.
Just that Flynn was the BPA
and that he does think they can play together.
Also said that the Wolves have a lot of time to build their core so they won’t be rushing anything but he seemed really really high on Rubio – described him as a very special player and his eyes went all misty. But he wouldn’t give anything away about what their next move would be
Good night everyone...
I’m going to go cry myself to sleep over this pathetic draft…
To quote The Who, “Meet the new boss…same as the old boss!!!”
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Today
has definitely been a complete mess, I’m still hoping Kahn can come through with the goods.
Can Flynn = Westbrook? E.g underrated pg who goes higher than most people expected. I could definitely live with that…
I think so
And is there any chance that Flynn comes off the bench with Rubio starting and occasionally shifting to the 2 when playing with Flynn? Bassy wasnt mentioned as part of the “core” in his interview so maybe Bassy will be paired with Cardinal to get us a 2 or a 3
Calathes...
Nice grab at #45. I thought we’d take him at #28.
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