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Ricky Rubio ha repasado ante las cámaras de Cuatro sus sensaciones después de ser elegido en el número 5 del draft de la NBA por Minnesota Timberwolves. "No estoy decepcionado, ni mucho menos. Tengo que estar orgulloso. Dos o tres europeos han salido del top tres o top cinco", ha declarado a Cuatro.

"Mi sueño es ir a jugar a la NBA, donde he soñado siempre jugar. Hay una posibilidad de jugar en Europa, pero es mínina y sólo si el Joventut no me quisiera", ha añadido Ricky sobre sus opciones de futuro.

Lo que no esperaba Ricky es no saber a estas alturas dónde jugará la próxima temporada: "Pensaba que después del draft ya sabría dónde iba".

(Any translation in the comments would be greatly appreciated.)

TRANSLATION UPDATE:

Ricky: "I’m proud, not disappointed"

Ricky Rubio told Channel Four’s cameras his feelings regarding being selected as fifth pick by the Minnesota Timberwolves. "I’m not disappointed, not at all. I’m proud. Two or three Europeans have been selected in the top three or five," he declared.

"My Dream is to play in the NBA, where I’ve always dreamed of playing. There’s a possibility I’ll play in Europe, but it’s minimal, and only if Joventut doesn’t want me," said Ricky regarding his future options.

What Ricky didn’t expect is to not know, at this stage, where he’d play next season. "I thought that I’d know where I’d go after the draft."

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Well, it's a little rusty, but

Ricky: " I am proud, not decepcionado" Blond Ricky has reviewed before the cameras of Four its sensations after being chosen in number 5 of draft of the NBA by Minnesota Timberwolves. " I am not disappointed, far from it. I must be proud. Two or three European have left top three or top cinco" , it has declared to Four. " My dream is to go to play the NBA, where I have always dreamed to play. There is a possibility of playing in Europe, but she is mínina and only if the Joventut not me quisiera" , there is Ricky addition on his options of future. What it did not wait for Ricky is not to know at this point where the next season will play: " It thought that after draft already iba" would know where;.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heres the Translation from google translator

Ricky: “I am proud, not disappointed”

Ricky Rubio has looked at the four chambers of his feelings after being elected in item 5 of the NBA draft by the Minnesota Timberwolves. “I’m not disappointed, far from it. I must be proud. Two or three Europeans have left the top three or top five,” said Four.

“My dream is going to play the NBA, where I always dreamed of playing. There is a possibility of playing in Europe, but only if the minina Joventut and I would like,” added Ricky about their future options.

What Ricky did not expect it at this stage not knowing where to play next season: "I thought that after the draft and would know where

by Tony_O on Jun 27, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Four chambers of his feeling..."

That is too funny. I gave that to my ex-wife once and then she crushed it with her zapatos de tacón.

by CaptainFatpants on Jun 27, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a great lyric

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll try.

Ricky: “I’m proud, not disappointed”

Ricky Rubio told Channel Four’s cameras his feelings regarding being selected as fifth pick by the Minnesota Timberwolves. “I’m not disappointed, not at all. I’m proud. Two or three Europeans have been selected in the top three or five,” he declared.

“My Dream is to play in the NBA, where I’ve always dreamed of playing. There’s a possibility I’ll play in Europe, but it’s minimal, and only if Joventut doesn’t want me,” said Ricky regarding his future options.

What Ricky didn’t expect is to not know, at this stage, where he’d play next season. “I thought that I’d know where I’d go after the draft.”

(I edit video in Spanish and do the translatey thing fairly often.)

by losDelFuego on Jun 27, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the most interesting part:

the most interesting part to me is “pero es mínina y sólo si el Joventut no me quisiera.” I’m no contract expert, especially when it comes to the Euroleague, but this says that Juventut door is closed for sure. He’ll only play in Europe if Juventut doesn’t want him — meaning if they do, he’ll choose the NBA?

If anyone can explain this part better, please do.

by losDelFuego on Jun 27, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know

I focused in on that sentence too, and couldn’t figure out what he meant. I thought I was mistranslating it somehow. My impression was that he would ONLY play for Joventut. It’s not clear how it would work. I assume Joventut could transfer his contract to another European team for a fee, but then that other team gets the buyout if and when it ever happens. I don’t think the transfer fee could be that high that Joventut wouldn’t just rather get what they can in the buyout.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've read here and elsewhere

that your intuitions are correct: He’ll only play for his current team. Contracts aren’t usually transferred, and when they are, not for nearly the amounts that would be justified economically by the size of the buyout.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a guess...

…but I think he meant, there is a small chance he’d play in Europe, but only if Juventut doesn’t want him TO GO to the NBA. I believe Juventut wants $6 million and wants him to come play for the Wolves.

by CaliWolf on Jun 27, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh...

That actually makes more sense. I wonder if that’s what he was saying.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

excellent

thank you

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so...

He’ll only go back to Europe if another team will buy out his contract and pay him more than he can make in the NBA?

Hmm…do the economics of the Euroleague justify a team doing this? $4mln buyout, plus >$500K salary…and you know he’ll only sign a one year (maybe two max) deal.

I guess this comment is more or less an open bid for some Euro team to step up with that kind of offer. It would certainly strengthen his hand with MN, but Kahn already got in front of this by saying “we are prepared to wait a year or two…”.

by DougW on Jun 27, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that's exactly how it would work

see my comment above. It would be a K transfer. But I don’t see how that benefits Joventut.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

“K transfer”?!?! How do you guys know this stuff? Jesus I am out of my league here:)

by DougW on Jun 27, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"K" is legal shorthand for contract

I know a lot about (American) contract law.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So how does it work in Europe....?

Is it all one league from a contract perspective? Or could a Greek team or Spanish team buyout an Italian contract, rather than doing a “contract transfer” with an associated fee?

by DougW on Jun 27, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well. In real football

that we call soccer, transfers between leagues in different counties are common. And often for HUGE sums. (Real Madrid just bought the rights to Ronaldo for 130 million). There are many aspects of that system which I’m unclear on, but I’ll try to explain below.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually buyouts are theorically paid by the player, so you just get the money (usually the team that is getting you gives it to you beforehand) go and pay and then you’re absolutely free, and you can sign with any team in the world (except the nba if other nba team has your draft rights obviously).

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s an important point, right? His current team wants the greatest payout…I would assume that is pretty much their sole motivation in this process.

by DougW on Jun 27, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My idea was also that he was going only to joventut, in fact there are at least 3 interviews i’ve read/heard on the radio of him saying exactly that (if i come back will be to “la penya” a.k.a joventut de badalona).
but in the case that this interview was not tampered (i repeat the questions are written on the screen and the answers by ricky have been hardly edited to the point where you can actually see that he was still talking where the next question pops up), there are only two teams with enough cash to do it. barcelona and real madrid, real madrid is expending everything in soccer and has already expended a lot in two new bball players and the one considered the best coach in europe (ettore messina), barcelona is not know to do this kind of things, they already had problems with jc navarro (who came back) when he wanted out and he was there like 3 years saying i hope i can pay this buyout next year.
it’s news and we are all eager to get them, but let’s wait a couple of days because there is no way the spanish press stops asking every five minutes to the guy “what are you doing next year ricky?”

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking spanish, and speaking of Spanish

where has Jose Cordoba been for the past few days? I haven’t seen him weighing in on any of this, and it just doesn’t seem right to spend time with friends, family, or working when so much is going on ;)

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking about this on draft but...

… I conjured up some vague recollection of him saying he was going on vacation. Maybe I imagined it, I don’t know… though if I’m imagining scenarios involving Canis Hoopus commentors, then I think I have other issues to worry about.

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by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jun 27, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh heh . . .

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by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Ricky

In footie, transfers occur all the time—it’s the main system of player movement. Teams pay for the rights to a player, though the player has some say and, I believe, gets a cut of the transfer fee. Ronaldo now has a 6 year deal with Real. Salaries aren’t as high, but like I say, he makes a ton in the transfer I believe. (Ricky, feel free to correct me).

In Rubio’s case, I assume Joventut would transfer his K rights to another club, and that club would take on the obligations and benefits of the contract, which include the buyout. It only makes sense for Joventut if they can get more from a transfer than they would from the buyout, but it only makes sense for another club if they can make money on it. It doesn’t appear that Rubio is prepared to extend his contract, so I have trouble seeing how it could work.

In the meantime, I had thought that he only would stay in Europe if it was WITH Joventut, but this seems to contradict that. I’m also unclear on how much financial trouble Joventut is actually in.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

soccer transfer are different from one another, big names like cristiano ronaldo have usally little to do with the everyday trade.
i won’t explain cristiano ronaldo’s trade unless somebody really wants to know but it’s complicated to say the least.

Joventut would not transfer anything, as i said a buyout clause in spain is simple, you pay it you’re free of your contract. Problem is this, you can never pay those amounts with your own money because they’re soooo abusive. To make up for this there is an legal void in the law that allows a team to give money to a player so that he can pay his club and be free (that number has vat so theorically it would be 4.7 million euros plus 15% to irs) to avoid this, teams prefer to reach an agreement and pay something like 4 million and a player, in this case joventut needs the money and would NEVER reduce a single euro to sell it to any other team and specially real madrid. (i’m a law and economics student in spain but most of this i know because it’s something we see every summer)

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Abusive" is the word

These contracts read like indentured servitude by anything like the standards of American pro sports. The analog in terms of the US scene would be the NCAA “amateur” ranks.

Seriously — supposedly Rubio’s deal originally called for under $100k in salary, with this buyout figure of $6 million plus. He got a raise to $300k or so last year, or something, because the team was anticipating the legal tussle over the buyout. Still, though, a buyout figure that’s many times the annual salary? For a contract the kid’s parents signed when he was 14? That’s “abusive” all right.

by feral on Jun 27, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

from el mundo-2nd largest spanish daily

as tranlated by google…

The market is still convulsed by the inexplicable, perhaps brilliant, perhaps deranged-strategy of the new standard of the Minnesota Timberwolves, David Kahn, who has been selected in the draft to Four! consecutive bases-bases (although the act has evolved in the excellent but little Ty Lawson, North Carlolina university champion).

Although he said that is willing to play with Ricky Rubio and Jonny Flynn, almost nobody believes in and around the world think there is enclosed cat. Including the former head (in Indiana) and good friend of Kahn, Donnie Walsh, who will call this Friday to see what possibilities there are to win Ricky, the man who sighs Mike D’Antoni.

It is not easy Walsh, Knicks because the poor have little to offer in return. But there is something: maybe a ‘sign and trade "with David Lee, wing-pivot and invaluable contributions, whether or not the transfer of the other’ four ’, which the Knicks have been selected precisely to replace Lee (just contract), Jordan Hill . Post some more in future drafts, plus a minor player, the cash … Something could be done, but let us not delude ourselves: it is not probable.

Kahn had to be strong to reach the team, firing a ‘Hall of Famer’ as Kevin McHale (¡still coach!) Preciadísimo and spent a fifth of the draft in a player they know will come in a year or two or never, because nobody knows that neither Ricky nor his agent, Dan Fegan cree only in large markets like New York, Los Angeles or Chicago, they want nothing to go to Minnesota. Recall that when a player chosen quite lower than Ricky, Fran Vazquez, refused to go to Orlando cracked the foundation of the franchise.

It is not easy to find the sword to break this Gordian knot. And there are other factors at play, as we all know: we must not forget that if it is true that the Treasury had seized the contract of Ricky as a guarantor of the debt (it is said that six million euros) that maintains the Joventut tax, how will be able to negotiate a reduction in the termination clause of the player? And next Wednesday, July 1, it increases markedly, to which Finance and Jordi Villacampa can be fulfilled, but leaving full Rubio limbo nearly forced against their will to continue up to 2011! in the Catalan club.

All this outrageous us to ignore the situation of the other Spanish players in the first round, Victor Claver and contertulio Lemona does very well in bringing up his comment on the blog. The thing is quite interesting but in the end nothing happens. It is just a month ago that the Lakers Claver renewed for three seasons until 2012. But it did so with a break clause modest, just over half a million euros, much of which can be paid, and now, by any club in the NBA. Moreover, the amount decreases each year.

The question now is for Kevin Pritchard, the technical secretary of the Trail Blazers in principle supposed that Key was a future interest, but since you can come very cheap to buy his freedom now, they are not interested in a ‘three’ of its kind, given the long injury of Martell Webster? For now, leave it there. These items are only just beginning chess.

by alphatwolf on Jun 27, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

totally off topic but this is best google translation i’ve seen in my life, it’s almost understandable!

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this one is too funny I had to post it

Only one university has more elections DKV Joventut in the draft: North Carolina, where Michael Jordan was forged, has placed four of her puppies.

by alphatwolf on Jun 27, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is actually amazing, i mean christian eyenga plays for dkv joventut B, 99.5% of spaniards could not name a single player of that team and probably the ones that could would name a 15 year old catalonian and not this guy.

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how much you want to bet...

… that Eyenga was on the list ahead of Norel on the “draft to have an excuse to slip DKV half a million dollars” list?

by TheH on Jun 27, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gordian knot story

The city of Gordium had a massive knot that supposedly could only be untangled by someone who would go on to conquer Asia. When Alexander the Great got to town, he took his sword and cut the thing in half.

Kahn came to town talking about how he didn’t have a “shadow government.” Now we’re comparing him to Alexander. Be very afraid. He may hire Mike “The Czar” Fratello just to continue the authoritarian fantasies.

by feral on Jun 27, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t really care what he does as along as he pulls his sword out and takes care of this Rubio knot.

Ok that sounds odd, but you get what I’m saying.

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

from sport.es

Barcelona and Madrid? hadn’t heard that

The player’s lawyers filed a lawsuit against Penya to try to reduce its term, but the club presided Jordi Villacampa already announced that it has no intention to negotiate as long as there is nothing that claim in court. A troubled waters, the two big clubs in the ACB League, Regal FC Barcelona and Real Madrid, are attentive to the events as they could try signing the player, using its dispute with the club green.

by alphatwolf on Jun 27, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sport.es is biased catalonian press which i would give zero credibility, i heard yesterday in the most heard sports radio show that joventut would be willing to negotiate if the lawsuit was dropped. There are a lot of different opinions between madrid’s press (mainstream) and catalonian press (local). I advise caution in this topic.

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

El Periodico

mentioning a few other suitors….

Several sets of Greece, Russia and the CBA, including the Regal FC Barcelona and Unicaja of AITO Reneses Garcia (who made debut with 14 years in the CBA and basketball became the youngest to win a medal in Olympic Games ) have already shown their interest to become the best young player in Europe 2008.

by alphatwolf on Jun 27, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i won’t talk about greece and russia because it would be ridiculous at this point but UNICAJA is my team! and we have no money whatsoever, we don’t even have 2 million right now to make all our acquisitions for next season, so just having his old coach means squat (same coach that said that rubio shouldn’t go to the nba because he is too young btw)

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

unlikely someone will really be able to make it worthwhile to do the buyout, unless he wants to go play for some Russian mafioso

by alphatwolf on Jun 27, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

russians lost a lot of money this year with the global crisis and some “stars” contracts in russia couldn’t be paid in full, there was even talk about a possibility of cancelling the league midseason due to the troubles those teams were having to pay their players (carlos delfino for example)

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for your insight

in case you need an avatar for your profile here, I might suggest this one:

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you very much, it’s totally my style

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It looks good on you.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I threw up a fanshot a few minutes ago that is of some interest. It confirms that Kahn is not looking to move Rubio. Same old “unnamed sources,” but at least this one makes sense.

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A Matter of When, Not If

Here are the facts:

(1) Ricky wants/dreams about playing in the NBA
(2) The Wolves hold Ricky’s NBA contract rights
(3) “Danny Kaye” Kahn plans to keep the “transformational” Ricky
(4) Dan Fegan knows Ricky has no choice of he plans in the NBA
(5) Ricky’s market value will only increase in the next two years as he rounds out his game

Everyone on Ricky’s side (mom and dad, Ricky, etc.will need time to process the facts as they are. This may take a few weeks. But, given the aforementioned facts, there is little doubt that Ricky will be with the Wolves. It’s just a matter of when.

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is great news. Though I still feel bad about him not coming to the press conference; that’s still a bad think; right?

Beater of the early Thabeet drum ... but not so much of the late one

by Wim (Belgium) on Jun 27, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking only for myself

Ricky missing the press conference was disappointing but certainly not necessary. These press conferences tend to be pretty mechanical with shop worn lines about how proud the player is, etc. When Ricky is ready, I suspect Wolves fans will not hold his missing the press conference against him.

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From a PR perspective...

….there might be something to be said about not bringing the circus to town….especially when the circus involves an 18 year old kid who speaks English as second language and who probably was shocked he didn’t go in the top 5. I can’t imagine what would have been said in front of a room full of reporters.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

especially the tenacious, scoop-driven Twin Cities sports media. Cripes, Rubio already speaks better English than Bob Sansevere.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he gives a press conference saying i’m going to be a t-wolve even if that conference is in 2 years people are going to be satisfied with the old say “better late than never”

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ricky live on the radio!!!!!! in the most important sports show

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

let us know if you hear anything

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Especially with mother and father in tow. I understand neither of them speak even broken English. Best to let them deliberate for a while. Ricky strikes me as a good and thoughtful kid.

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

big news, i will wait till it’s over to recap

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

AHHHHHHHHHHH! At least tell us if it’s good or not!

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's just cruel.

i’ve been hitting this page at a crazy pace already today. good? bad?

by TheH on Jun 27, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch--

I bet he’s coming, but it’s to play quarterback for the Vikings.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But since we already have one...

… Childress intends to play them together, on the same field.

by TheH on Jun 27, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Triple ZING!

for the win.

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by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, isn’t it like 1am for you guys? Are they really playing an interview right now?

Also, how do you feel about all this? You seem very set on him never being a Wolf. Is that your 100% objective view of what you’re hearing and seeing? I appreciate the info, but do you really have no personal feelings either way? I sort of sense otherwise..

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he started the interview talking about new york and his visit today to the garden. Then it came a little bit of you were great during the interviews after draft, you didn’t seem nervous, it seemed like you have known stern for years… and then the meat.
i’m pretty sure (99%) about the tone of his comments and i will try to make you see what i heard.
question (it was just on air live so it’s a recap by me, but i have pretty good memory and it has been like 6-7 minutes).:
ricky, you’re everybody’s topic today, the latest team that you seem to be going is houston, we’ve heard new york wants you… what do feel about this?.
answer by ricky: it’s weird, it’s like the stock market, you go up and down, one minute you’re one place and the next you’re in another, but right now minnesota has my rights.
question: do you think you will play in the nba next year?
answeri don’t know it will depend on WHAT TEAM HAS MY RIGHTS, i think i may go back to europe.
question do you think it’s a 50-50 right now going to europe?
answer: yes, i mean now minnesota has my rights so it’s something like that (the tone was clearly saying more like 70-30 going to europe and he paused a lot)
the interviewer then said: do you think then that you would come back here one year and then you go back and all is good? and he says (after a long pause and doubt) it can be, i can’t really say in that situation.
ok ricky i won’t pull your tongue any longer (like saying, you don’t want to answer me because you will get into trouble with minnesota if they hear this).
okay in one hour i will able to download the interview from their webpage and o a more proper transcript but the news are amazingly bad, worse than i thought he was clearly saying he won’t play for minnesota ( i repeat it’s my interpretation)

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

but thank you.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was late to hear that part but was talking about how people work in the same place they play while in europe it’s different places where the young system kids (like he was) can see the player

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This tells me...

That the Knicks are trying hard to pressure an 18-year-old to influence the outcome of the draft. Cheesy, but typical NY. He’ll have plenty of chances to visit the Garden with the other Wolves. Hell, he can go to all the other arenas too.

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was talking about being at the Garden

for the draft, not that he was visiting with the Knicks since then

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't be

The Knicks cannot talk to him. That would be a gross violation of the rules. Really blantantly, no gray area, severe violation.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing we didn't already know?

I don’t see how this is anything but what is already known. The media want to play up the “any place but Minnesota” angle, but so what? After hearing the “poor KG in Minnesota” for years, how is this any different?

(1) We know he will be staying in Europe for a year or two
(2) the Wolves own his rights
(3) he wants to play in the NBA

As an aside, I hope the Rubio matter doesn’t overshadow the other draftees.

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m getting the sense that Kahn will stand his ground and Rubio will end up playing this year back in Spain..

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i won’t be so sure, he maybe there more than two years and sign a killer contract somewhere, i’m not a betting man, but if i had to bet on him wearing a t-wolves uniform it would be with the thought that it’s a lost bet

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be

But I wouldn’t trade him. If he takes this position abjectly, the message should be: have a great career in Europe.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fail to see any scenario where we can land a prospect of his level in return, so there’s little reason to move him. Call his bluff, let him play in Europe and see what happens, IF THIS IS TRUE, that is.

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in a year or two (even this year) there maybe good offers, and something is better than nothing (in this case it would be worse than nothing because the bad rep would be inmensely damaging)

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s easier said than done, vazquez killed the orlando magic and he haven’t rejeceted the idea of playing there yet

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Killed the Magic? Last I checked, they were in the NBA Finals this year.

I agree, it’s easier said than done. But from my point of view, that’s what I want to see. If he really wants to play in the NBA, it will be in MN.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i mean in the pr department, everybody remembers the guy and he was just an 8th pick, it has been a while and it’s still talked about

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, maybe there

not here. Nobody here remembers Vazquez. Does it damage them for the next European player? Oh well. They can’t seem to get those guys anyway.

Besides, I still think this might be posturing to get a trade, not a real in stone refusal. Of course, it might be

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is the first clear statement

From Rubio that he doesn’t want to play in MN and that that will have an effect on his decision to come over.

It’s unfortunate.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly my point, i will make a word for word transcript when i can though just in case someone can find a hidden meaning somewhere

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No choice....

Ricky has zero choice in where he plays in the NBA. This is either an extremely naive 18-year-old or a concerted attempt at pressuring the Wolves. Kahn needs to stand his ground.

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

same was said about fran vazquez, he will be here next year they kept saying, it wasn’t that bad of a pick, it’s still young… he is not anymore. I have to say clearly that i don’t want ricky in europe, i want him in the wolves way above that possibility but i’m not him and he has good options at this point

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is deadly for the NBA.

Imagine Blake Griffin knowing that he could go play in Athens for two years instead of playing with the Clippers, or Thabeet knowing that all he has to do to force a trade once he is drafted is to sign a Greek contract stipulating that he can come if he wants to. Stern should get on the damn phone and put a stop to any meddling that is going on right now. Contact between Fegan and any other NBA team regarding Ricky Rubio should be investigated and punished severely.

by TheH on Jun 27, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it has happened before, players going to europe to avoid contracts or simply dennying to play for a team untill they trade him (for inferior value btw)

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Danny Ferry did that to

the Clippers.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Jun 27, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but I don't see it...

Ricky wouldn’t have entered the draft unless he wanted to now realize his dream. He wants to compete with the best (as he has stated numerous times about playing for the Gold medal).

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

I see this thing being settled in a matter of a few weeks. Everyone is jockeying for position, but Kahn has already negated much of the blow back by acknowledging that Ricky may not be here for a year or two.

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was very wise

in preparing the fan base

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is true, and if he isn’t here next year everybody losses, but this is a do you believe he is bluffing or not type of thing, and i think he is not, you disagree and is a perfectly valid point

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are worse things...

… than going down as the GM who drafted the brightest passing prospect in years when the team was near rock bottom and held his ground. Courage, David Kahn! The fans are behind you and with you in patience.

by TheH on Jun 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you think that kind of gm gets to work for a lot of years? i don’t think if you’re remembered just by that you get to have healthy professional live

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt Rubio has options

and that’s fine. he should. I’m not sold on the entire draft system as being even remotely fair to players, especially with the rookie wage scale.

If he wants to exercise the right to play in another league, that’s OK. I’ll be sorely disappointed, but there you go.

But the Wolves, by dint of the rules, also have rights. They have the right to hold his NBA rights.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i haven’t said they didn’t, i didn’t even say they should trade him, but if he is not back next year, it’s easier to say know, let him stay and we threw away a 5th pick that actually being able to take the heat

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

It would be tough. But, I don’t know. Two years from now, if the Wolves still have his rights, and are holding firm (which is what I want), does he continue to delay his dream? There’s a lot of money in the NBA.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there is way more money in europe (specially in your first two contracts (he would be 20 in two years (rudy fernandez entered the league at 23-24)

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, what's the most a European player

could make in salary in a year? (This is a real question, I’m curious. I don’t know how much the best make.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But, he wants to compete against the best

The best are not in Europe. Why else would he have entered the draft?

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he can make several millions in a year for a euroleague title contender an that’s more than his two year contract because he doesn’t have to pay taxes, he gets a house, a car and personal chauffeir and lots of things like that

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

That’s probably close to the maximum contract here. Especially if you are counting in Euros.

Max players here average over $15 million a year if they sign a max contract after their first, rookie contract.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has no options to his "dream"

This kid is hyper competitive. He wants to realize his dream of being in the NBA. That dream begins in Minnesota.

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he wasn’t competitive he wouldn’t care about the position his team is, or how many point guards they have, his competitiveness is working against the wolves at the moment

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if that were presently the case

there’d be no controversy.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Jun 27, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no controversy

Where is the controversy? There are legitimate questions but no controversy.

The only legitimate question is: Does he start at PG for the Wolves now or in a year or two?

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

my opinion to that question right now, is never, but i have to go to have dinner, i will be back in an hour and hopefully with a word for word transcript that i hope gets posted in the front page lol, just kidding, but still i repeat it’s my interpretation of what i heard

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you remember when you were 18 years old?

Now, imagine Rubio being 18. Here he is on the world stage speaking emotionally but not logically. The kid has never been to Minnesota. I doubt he has been anywhere other than a few coastal states.

by Marty McFly on Jun 27, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I posted the other day...

That I didn’t think we would ever see Ricky Rubio play for the Wolves based on his initial reaction, and those of his agent and father. The sense of leverage in European sports is far more on the side of the player than the team, while I’d say the opposite is true in the US. If Ricky wants to play elsewhere, in the end we have very little choice but to accomodate him. Here are the unfavorable endgame scenarios…

1. He can stay in Europe and sign a monster deal in two years with a huge EuroLeague team and we get nothing for his rights…ever.
2. He can agree to terms with Minnesota anytime in the next 2 years and sulk his way through a Rookie contract, be a disruptive locker room influence, and / or have a recurring “medical” problem that prevents him from playing. This tactic is far more culturally acceptable in Europe, and happens with disgruntled football (soccer) players often.

If he and his family really don’t want to be here, we have far less leverage than most people might realize. The best play would be to get as much as we can for him sooner rather than later…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jun 27, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Frankly, I’d live with scenario one before I traded his rights before this season. At least you have to wait a year and see where you are at that point.

You HAVE to show you are willing to hold his rights. Otherwise, you will never get value if you do trade him. And ultimately, if he doesn’t want to play in the NBA, that’s the way it goes.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, while I'm not happy with this news

I;m still not convinced he isn’t bluffing on the orders of Fegan.

I wish some enterprising reporter could get Fegan on the record, by the way.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spot on Eric.

He’s says he’s happy to play at Minnesota, the game is up and apparently has ramifications on his buyout.

by Auswolf on Jun 27, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is surprising...

Most agents for European players (of all sports) never shut up…always trying to drum up interest in their clients for a new, bigger, better deal.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jun 27, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand we don't want to deal from a position of weakness...

But I’m of the opinion that the longer this goes on, our position gets even weaker. We know he wants to play in the NBA…just not here.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jun 27, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we, though? I have yet to hear this from his mouth. If it’s truly the case, I say make him wait. He can stay in Europe for all I care, but I call his bluff rather than move him for pennies on the dollar.

This is a possible “transformation player” as Mr. Kahn would say. These guys don’t come around often. You fight to the bitter end to get him over here unless some home run offer comes your way. I repeat, these guys do NOT come around often, especially for a team like the Wolves.

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, you have to call his bluff

Almost no matter what the cost to you

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you call his "bluff"

And he’s not bluffing, you lose everything. Dealing him soon maximizes what you get back. Waiting a year or two (a year or two full of more interviews that make it clear he won’t come) puts us in a weaker position since the certainty of him not coming will only grow over time.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jun 27, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree. I’d rather risk getting nothing and have a shot at him rethinking things if his buyout is lowered than move a player of his caliber for nothing before ever seeing him set foot on TC.

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with your second sentence

I think you are likely to get less by trading him sooner.

And I’m willing to get nothing.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, what team that he would want to play for can offer us anything approaching Ricky’s value to us? Right now, he is a potential Jason Kidd type top 5 PG to us. Until he busts, that’s how we will value him. We aren’t moving him for Jordan Hill and Nate Robinson. Cue the Chewbaca defense.

That…does..not..make..sense.

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been saying

I can’t conceive of an offer that would make me trade him.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those in favor of a move fail to realize how important a star player is in the league. When we traded KG, I knew that our only shot of getting that type of player again was to get lucky on a level I never thought possible for us.

Well, that happened.

We cannot just trade the guy away because we’re scared of an agent’s posturing or what an 18 year old kid who has never even been here says. We need patience.

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I would wait...

until his buyout issue is resolved. I think that would be the moment when you could extract maximum value for him since all the unknown variables would become clear…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jun 27, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a draft.

Tough lesson to learn for the kid, but the money will keep him warm at night.

Besides how does he know what he wlll like before he arrives here?

by Auswolf on Jun 27, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a broader principle at play here...

do the Wolves want to be seen to trade him for 70c on the dollar to “get something” from pick 5?

Is that the start Kahn wants to make? What are the ramifications for future trading if we roll over here?

He could not do anything else but draft Rubio. And Rubio should know looking at the draft board that his destinations were not likely to include a “big market”. That’s naivety or poor advice from his agent.

I would endorse a position that says we never trade his rights, even if the end result is Rubio never plays a minute in a Wolves strip. The only way he circumvent is if he plays out his Joventut deal then sits out an entire season, meaning he can arrive in 2012 as a free agent.

If he becomes the next Fran Vasquez, so be it. It is a message to Euro players, to the agents and to the league.

The McHale era is over.

by Auswolf on Jun 27, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am in full agreement

with this position. The cost is high, but not as high, in my opinion, as caving.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think you read my mind and got it into text before I could :) Agree 100%.

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that...

…publicly, you tell Rubio and the family that you are with them on taking time and doing what is best. Internally, and in practice, you hold onto the rights and never let go. No trades unless it’s for John Wall.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

Agree one million percent.

by Jackdaw on Jun 27, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

Do NOT trade his rights. If he comes to the NBA, he plays for the Wolves.

by saudagg on Jun 27, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i tweeted kevin love about rubio being 50-50 to go back to europe and his next tweet two minutes later is :
kevin_loveHow do I say, Ricky please come to Minnesota, play PG for us PLEASE? AND has anyone ever told you that you sound like the lucky charms guy?13 minutes ago from web

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m going to go tweet google-translated stuff at Ricky until he relents. First post:

Ricky, espero que resolver su problema de dinero y se juegan por nosotros. Te necesitamos en Minnesota! No escuchar al Sr. Fegan!

BRING ABOUT THE INTERNET REVOLUTION! RISE UP MY FRIENDS! WE HAVE THE POWER!

by Xand1 on Jun 27, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He still has value...

even if he never steps on the court in a Wolves uni. If he really doesn’t want to be here, fine. Ship him out. Kahn knows all of this already, or he should. He will wait for the best deal whenever that arises, but never change his public stance.

Rubio is still just a #5 pick, folks. He has proven nothing in the NBA. If we can get a young core guy for him, you pull the trigger.

by Grover M on Jun 27, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

SO next time this happens

some kid wants to play for the Lakers, Knicks, Heat but not the Wolves, he just flies to Europe and we shrug our shoulders and grant him his wish?

by Auswolf on Jun 27, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minnesota is the world capitol...

….of passive progressivism. We don’t like conflict and we especially don’t like conflict that involves people who don’t like our wonderful state. I’m not saying this to slam Grover M. It really is a prominent cultural feature of our state. “One of us” is tossed around a lot here. We just don’t get how people could not want to live here.

Personally, I think the Wolves lucked into a massive asset and they shouldn’t let go just because he might not want to play here or be unhappy. He’s ours and we don’t have to be afraid of rejection.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops..

…passive aggressiveness…brain fart moment.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Though Passive Progressivism

works too!

You are correct. I beleive we’ve discussed it before. The love of the local is quite a feature of Minnesota. SOmething I haven’t experienced so severely anywhere else I;ve lived.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.cadenaser.com/deportes/audios/larguero-parte-27-06-09/csrcsrpor/20090628csrcsrdep_2/Aes/

there you have the podcast of the show, it doesn’t start with rubio in a while but i has a “highlighted” version of what he said that you can check with google translate

by Ricky Rubio on Jun 27, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know about Fegan's contract with RR?

Is Fegan Ricky’s agent in Europe too? Or does he just represent Ricky in dealing with the NBA?

If the former, then Fegan’s interest is to make sure he comes over and plays in the NBA. If the latter, I guess Fegan would still prefer the NBA due to additional money for endorsements, but he would still get paid well for the kind, starting in two years.

It could well be the former, unless Fegan is already representing Euro athletes.

Regardless, one key piece of info is to know what Fegan’s profit motive is.
 

by timmuggs on Jun 27, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If the Twin Cities had traditional mainstream sports media

worth a nickel, this would be an amazing 12 month period. This Rubio saga is similar to the Favre thing in so many ways. Consider the intrigue;

1. Why is Sacramento at the 4 great for Ricky, but Minnesota at the 5 is terrible?
2. Is he bluffing on coming to the Wolves for leverage with his old team, or does he really not want to play for Minnesota?
3. Would he have expressed the same reticence no matter which team drafted him?
4. Would any of this happened if Kahn had traded the 5 and 6 to Memphis, and just picked Rubio straight up?
5. If he really wants to go to a major market for endorsement purposes, how much more money does, say, the Houston Area Buick Dealers pay, vs. the national endorsement deals he would get by playing in Minnesota right now?
6. Is Rubio really willing to never play in the NBA, if it means playing for the Timberwolves?
7. Can Fegan negotiate with other NBA teams to try to set up a deal that the Wolves will take?

And I think, at the end of the day, when it’s all said and done, when the rubber hits the road, bottom line, the basic question remains:

Who the f*ck is Fran Vasquez?

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vasquez was drafted with pick 11 in 2005

Fran Vasquez

and still hasn’t signed a contract with Orlando

by Auswolf on Jun 27, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know who he is

my point is that he’s often cited as the last Spaniard to try to bluff his way out of playing for the team that drafted him. And he still hasn’t played on the greatest basketball stage in the world. Meanwhile, the NBA (and Orlando) seem to be doing as well without him as they would have done with him.

(apologies for the confusion)

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jun 27, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem

I took you too literally!

by Auswolf on Jun 27, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not think I was clear...

Of course we do not just let him get whatever he wants. We play hardball.I But, the thing with assets is that, at some point, you have to use them. I am not saying that we ship him out now or anything, but at some point we will have to if we ever want to cash in. I think a fair price for him starts with a young core guy who fits. That isn’t unreasonable.

We are never going to get what we perceive as fair value. Publicly, we have to represent that we aren’t interested in trading him. But, if he doesn’t want to play here, then we eventually will ship him at some point.

by Grover M on Jun 27, 2009 6:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

gotchya

i just don’t think you can cave unless the deal is absurdly lopsided. if this kid blows up, it will be a million times worse than foye/roy.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 27, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think...

This would be comparable to Foye-Roy. We just plain old punched ourselves in the balls on that one.

Trading KG would be more like it…we were backed into a corner and had to get what we could. That is the situation I foresee us being in here. And the longer it drags on, the further in the corner we get pushed…IMHO.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jun 27, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once teams are able to sign-and-trade

a lot of good possibilities will open up.

What kind of complicates things is Minnesota doesn’t have any real bad long-term deals, which makes expiring contracts kind of worthless. So, they’ll probably want good prospects and picks in addition to the centerpiece of the offer. But struggling teams can’t spare their key players, high picks, or best prospects.

Look for a successful team w/ an aging pg or needs an upgrade at that position.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Jun 27, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I find mildly interesting is that the quotes

that are printed above in this fanshot from an earlier interview seem far different than the description of the radio interview that our own Ricky Rubio kindly provided for us.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 27, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The fear is..

You have to worry about Rubio going all prima donna publicly, then immediately his value drops. Sure, you can hold onto your guns and keep him in principle, but it really doesn’t help you ever cash in.

I hope this kid decides to come here and play. But, I am willing to listen to what other teams who salivate over the kid have to offer right now, especially if he doesn’t want to come here. His value now is pretty hot. Letting it go on forever doesn’t accomplish much if you ever want to get something in return. The opposite is true, his value goes down.

I think the most telling thing in all of this speculation is that it could end really quickly if Rubio or Fegan comes out and says that the goal is to get in a Wolves uniform. That just hasn’t happened, yet. I hope it does.

by Grover M on Jun 27, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Parents...

it sounds like Rubio’s parents are very important in all of this. It would make sense, as other child phenoms (Tiger Woods, Williams Sisters, Michelle Wi) have, for better or worse, had the early part of their careers defined, in part, by their overbearing/eager to enter the spotlight, parent(s).

It would be really beneficial to our situation to get Ricky in Minneapolis. First, to meet the players—Jefferson and Love seem like great guys that would be great to hang out with in a visit. Second, to see Minneapolis. It’s a great city that any young adult should enjoy. (Especially in June….)

But no matter what, don’t trade him. I don’t know what he expected on Draft Night that would be a lot better than Minnesota (Oklahoma City?), aside from the contract scale that hurt his buyout situation. Kahn should keep spewing the positive jargon and concern about his family and the buyout. Just don’t budge on who our point guard for the future is.

by Andy G on Jun 27, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

..tell Rubio what to do?

An Italian pal of mine posted this the other day:

  : Rubio will never play in Minnesota
  :
   : He said " My mom hates cold weather ".
   : In the mediterranean world, your mom tells you what to do.

by levi_mn on Jun 27, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I grew up in Minnesota and now live in northern California...

… and I can tell you that Minneapolis is eons nicer and more urban than Sacramento (which I just visited). Sac is called CowTown for a reason, and it is not urban or metropolitan at all. It is in the middle of nowhere and only has 500,000 people. For the most part, the local residents are the opposite of what a European would consider “cosmopolitan”—I think Sac has one of the largest meth-using populaces in the country—and the team stinks. I suspect Oklahoma City isn’t much nicer. What I’m saying is that if Rubio wanted to land in a nice city, Mpls. is a better option than Memphis, OKC, and Sac, even if it is “cold.” Ricky should understand that New York is also “cold” and that “coldness” is not a good reason not to play somewhere. I suspect that he and his family have a lot of misconceptions about what Minnesota is like and are probably shaken by Kahn’s selection of Flynn. I hope that Kahn can get Rubio into Mpls. for a visit, sell him on the city and his role with the team, and get him ready for summer league. We could use him next year.

by Shogun on Jun 29, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Rubio is now a valuable asset—as a player or to trade. A large part of his future value, if he stays in Europe, will be dependent upon his performance. He still has to dribble and shoot and defend to increase his value. If the Wolves have a huge risk in not realizing his value, I think RR’s risk is comparable. Some of his risk is intangible. As a world class player, does he want to take it into the lane against Dwight Howard or against guys like Norel?

No reason for Kahn to panic. There now is a lot of buzz about this story; but like anything else, the story will fade as the draft grows dim in the rear view mirror. Soon there will be a T.O. story or Ochocinko will spout in Cincy. A-Rod will be sighted with Tom Brady’s wife. The RR saga will then become “a little birdie told me” line in a Charlie Walters’ column. The American klieg lights will soon be off, and if Kahn holds tight, an 18 year old kid will see that his only exposure to the NBA is through his satellite dish and an iPod.

by Elastico on Jun 27, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

That's it.

And this is where Flynn is a help, not a hinderance. We stand tight and don’t need him in 09/10, then his leverage slips.

by Auswolf on Jun 27, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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