Rudy Fernandez is the Solution...
by TimAllen on Jul 1, 2009 4:22 PM CDT
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As ESPN reported today, Rudy Fernandez is miffed that the Portland Trail Blazers are hotly pursuing Hedo Turkoglu through free agency. Rudy is also dissatisfied with how Nate McMillan played him last year and is even considering going back to Europe after his contract with the Blazers ends.
One team's problem is another team's opportunity. The Wolves could certainly use a player like Fernandez who is an athletic wing (could play 2 or 3) and since he is a fellow Spaniard and former DKV Joventut player, maybe he could help with the wooing of Ricky Rubio to the Wolves.
Fernandez makes about 1.1 mil next season and there is a team option to resign Rudy next season. I hope Kahn is considering this possibility.
(Ed Note: This idea has been reflected in a few fan posts so I'll move this one to the front page [it has the most comments] as well as putting timberpuppy's fanpost below the fold. Please keep all of the Fernandez-related commentary to this post so people don't have to go back and forth between fanposts. Also, as is the case with anything Blazer-related, remember to keep an eye on the excellent Blazer's Edge. Ben already has a post on the subject of Fernandez being upset about the Blazers' pursuit of Hedo.)
Trade Johnny Flynn For Rudy Fernandez? 
by timberpuppy on Jul 1, 2009 3:46 PM CDT 0 comments
ESPN just posted an article about how Portland's pursuit of Turkoglu makes Rudy Fernandez expendable, and he is now angry at the team and looking for a way out.
"Portland's pursuit of a certain player from Turkey has infuriated the Trail Blazers' lone remaining Spanish player, Rudy Fernandez, to the point where he'd prefer to play in Greece, Russia or even Spain again, ESPN.com learned Tuesday.
A league source told ESPN.com that Fernandez has already been courted informally by European powerhouses Olympiacos, Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and CSKA Moscow as word spread that the Blazers had become the apparent front-runners to land free agent Hedo Turkoglu."
Portland still could stand an upgrade at point guard with Blake aging and Bayless being a bit of a let-down last year, so it would seemingly make sense for both parties to look at a Fernandez-Flynn swap (Note: I'm not exactly sure if anything would need to be done to make the salaries match up, but I imagine this wouldn't be too difficult to maneuver). For us, we solve our point-guard log jam, and get a legit 6-6 shooting guard who just-so happens to be close friends with Ricky Rubio. Not only would that help us get Rubio over, it would also: a) Give us a tall, long backcourt for the first time in... well... ever, b) help solve our deficiency in outside shooting since Fernandez shot 40 percent from behind the arc in his rookie year, c) give us two creative players that would fit perfectly in the uptempo offense that Kahn wants to create, and d) make us an absolute hit in the spanish market which would have to help the t-wolves out financially. If I was Kahn, I would start looking into this ASAP before Rudy starts looking more formally at European teams.... What do you guys think?
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Portland Needs a PG and a Backup PF if they sign Hedo
How about
Flynn + Cardinal + Smith for Miles + Rudy + Outlaw
Portland gains an additional 4 Million in Cap Room, Wolves have to pay for Miles doing nothing. Portland gets a PG of the future and better roster balance for 09-10 with Cardinal and Smith backing up LMA.
by Ebomb on Jul 1, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just realizing
This may be impossible, don’t know if the right to pay Miles for doing nothing is transferrable or whether it’s just a cap hit due to his improperly claimed medical exemption.
by Ebomb on Jul 1, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
And yes Miles can’t get traded, he counts like a waived player
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll play
If I’m drawing up a trade scenario, I try to get the rights to Victor Claver as well. We might as well try to grab up as many members of the Spanish national team as possible.
Fernandez + Claver for Jonny Flynn + Craig Smith + Nikola Pekovic
Wolves get their shooting guard of the future in Fernandez, who will have far more opportunities to show his skills playing alongside Rubio than behind Roy. Claver is a solid Euro prospect who will have extra motivation to come over. Rubio goes from being hesitant to positively giddy about his future here, and the Wolves get an inside track on every Spanish free agent for the next decade.
Blazers get a true point guard whose combination of fit/potential greatly exceeds anyone else on their roster. In Smith, they get a true backup PF with no long term commitment. And if Pekovic ever comes over, they can say they got the best of the three Euro prospects in this deal.
by John Doe on Jul 1, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course, the next logical step would be
Kevin Love to Memphis for Marc Gasol and the rights to Juan Carlos Navarro.
Bad trade from a talent standpoint, but the fringe benefits cannot be ignored.
Rubio/Navarro/Telfair
Fernandez/Navarro/Ellington
Claver/Gomes/Brewer
Jefferson/Cardinal/Songalia
Gasol/Thomas/Pecherov
by John Doe on Jul 1, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VIVA LOS LOBOS!
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then do the obvious Al Jeff for Pau swap and AWAY WE GO!
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by Xand1 on Jul 1, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’d probably need to strike a deal with Mother Nature to make this fit long term. How about
Climate of Barcelona for Climate of Minnesota + Rights to Pekovic?
by Ebomb on Jul 1, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think by the time Pekovic actually comes over
global warming might take care of the climate discrepancy all by itself.
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll do you one better: Pau and Jose Calderon
Minnesota out: Al Jefferson, Etan Thomas, Brian Cardinal, Charlotte’s 2010 1st rounder
Minnesota in: Pau Gasol, Jose Calderon
Toronto out: Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, Marcus Banks
Toronto in: Al Jefferson, Etan Thomas, Brian Cardinal, Jordan Farmar, Charlotte’s 2010 1st rounder
Los Angeles out: Pau Gasol, Jordan Farmar
Los Angeles in: Chris Bosh, Marcus Banks
Why L.A. does it: What’s the best way to prevent Chris Bosh from pairing up with Wade or LeBron and ruining the rest of Kobe’s career? Get him first! (Assume a contract extension as part of the trade.)
Why Toronto does it: Instead of having to worry about losing Bosh in 2010, they get a comparable big man signed through 2013, and can go after a second star in 2010 as Cardinal’s and Thomas’s contracts come off the books.
Why Minnesota does it: with the other trades already listed:
Calderon/Rubio/Telfair
Fernandez/Navarro/Ellington
Claver/Gomes/Brewer
P. Gasol/Songalia
M. Gasol/Pecherov/Madsen
If it doesn’t get us a championship, it should at least be good for a silver medal.
by John Doe on Jul 1, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Genius...
I’m laughing out loud.
I posted the whole Fernandez/Flynn idea last week and think we need to do whatever it takes (within reason) to make this happen.
We need to make sure Kahn pursues this.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Jul 1, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems a fair deal.
Which means Blazers fans will want Jefferson and two first round picks as well ;)
by Auswolf on Jul 1, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who says Flynn's "fit/potential greatly exceeds" Bayless
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 1, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, who knows on that one
But Bayless didn’t exactly light it up last year. Flynn is still riding high off an excellent college season and good workouts.
by princelyfrank on Jul 2, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be awesome to get Claver
Guy sounds like a beast.
by oblivionspocket on Jul 2, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've been salivating over Fernandez
the problem is that he doesn’t have a lot of leverage, and Portland wants a veteran upgrade at PG, probably not Flynn. If I could get Fernandez for Flynn and parts, I’d do it immediately.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
While a Veteran PG would be ideal
You also have to look at their roster financially and see what will fit. LMA and Roy are both due for extensions next season. Both have stated publicly this summer they want the Max. If they sign Turkey Glue for $10 Million per, how do they acquire and pay a veteran PG. I realize Paul Allen has deep pockets, but as ideal as a Veteran PG would be, Johnny Flynn playing for the next 5 years under a rookie salary would be a better financial fit than any veteran PG on the market. This jives with Pritchard coming out today and dismissing the Andre Miller rumors. Gratned our offer of Johnny Flynn is only worth as much as their opinion of Jonny Flynn. I hope that taking Flynn over Curry wouldn’t kill a deal like this, as Curry seems to be a better fit with Turkey and Roy also handling the ball.
by Ebomb on Jul 1, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lawson...
…would have been nice to have with this little trade in mind. ;)
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
Kahn had kept him and said we were going to play all 3 at the same time.
by museum on Jul 1, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Bassy...
…at power forward.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd put him...
at center. Think outside the box for a second and you’ll see why that would be awesome.
by museum on Jul 1, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outside of box...
…traversed, awesomeness achieved.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's sad, really
just how far the Blazers have fallen. First we discover that Kevin Pritchard isn’t as enamored with his big men as the Blazers fans are. Then they are unable to improve the team on draft day by adding a point guard in a point-guard-rich draft. Now the team has jeopardized its relationship with an important part of the team’s nucleus so that they may (or may not be able to) overpay for Turkey Glue.
It’s probably too early to say the team is headed back to rebuilding mode, but we should keep an eye on things to see if there might be some assets available on the cheap.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The blazers do love foreign players, and while I agree with Pritchard in that their Big Men of LMA, Oden and Przbylla aren’t a championship front line, the thing that would make it so would be an efficient post scorer. Pekovic would seem to be ideal. It’s too bad his status on coming over here is next to nil, as with Pekovic and our plethora of PG’s we have the perfect counter assets (i.e. their glut of swingmen) to swing a trade that would improve both teams.
by Ebomb on Jul 1, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great insight!
You are obviously aiming for a trade of Oden for Pekovic, straight up.
While it would improve the Blazers, I don’t think they would do it. Too embarassing to their front office.
I’m not sure the Wolves should do it either. If we wanted a center with broken feet, we could have drafted Josh Heytveld.
by timmuggs on Jul 1, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh heh . . .
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget...
….the shrooms. Heytveld will bring shrooms.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broken feet?
I didn’t know the Wolves were interested in Yao.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God damn....
This is one wishful comment.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 1, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol, thats one way to look at it.
The Blazer roster has not changed at all. KP LOVES his bigs and there is ZERO talk of trading any of them. We don’t need a rookie point guard, and we no longer rely on the draft to make our improvments. Really… Blazers are in no way a rebuilding team…
by One Team to Rule Them All on Jul 2, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just seeing if
the “Blazer Bait” still works . . .
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by PoorDick on Jul 2, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
harr harr; made my day just a bit better; ty
Beater of the early Thabeet drum ... but not so much of the late one
by Wim (Belgium) on Jul 6, 2009 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this post were made on blog titled canibus hoopus I might understand
But …….wow….just wow
by ppilot on Jul 4, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn.........took it hook line and sinker
Well played….well played
by ppilot on Jul 4, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw
I’d be trying to throw in extra pieces, not sure who off the top of my head, to get him in the deal. He’d be awesome for us. Outside shooting, great slasher, good energy. Yes, please. But as Eric In Madison pointed out, I’m not sure Portland would want a rookie PG in exchange, especially with Bayless there and them trying to win a title in the near future. They could likely do better than what we’d give them.
by museum on Jul 1, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blazer's Edge people
HATE this getting rid of Rudy thing. It’s amazing. I think they may be falling in love with their own guy a bit much, but respect for not falling in love with the bigger name.
by museum on Jul 1, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could care less what that board thinks
They all believe that everybody on that roster is a hall of famer. As nice as Rudy is having Roy, Webster, Outlaw, Fernandez, Batum, and potentially Turkoglu means someone has to go even if everyone of those guys is a future hall of famer.
by Ebomb on Jul 1, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which would be Outlaw, if Hedo came
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if you get rid of Outlaw
You still have Roy, Webster, Ferandez, Batum and Turkoglu vying for minutes at 2 positions, with Turkoglu being a high priced FA and Roy being a top 5 player at his position.
Assuming Roy get’s 35 minutes, Turkoglu 30, that leaves 30 minutes total for Webster, Fernandez, and Batum without Outlaw. That is too many players for too few minutes. Outlaw + ? are going to have to go if they sign Turkoglu.
by Ebomb on Jul 1, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust us..
….we know positional log jams when we see them ;)
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webster has a foot injury. Might be nothing, might be Yao. But not someone who will instantly log major minutes.
P.S.: In case you didn’t notice, Blazers fans are far less in love with Hedo than most journalists and unfortunately the front office seem to be.
by Norsktroll on Jul 1, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right on this
and right to not be in love with Turkey Glue. I like the guy, but soft with sliding production at age 30 is not a wise investment. Plus, I think the Blazers time is in 2-3 years, after the Celtics disintegrate, Kobe retires, and only Lebron is in the way of a championship. If that’s the case, Hedo is going to be both old and overpaid at that time.
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they better get one during that window, cuz in 2-3 years after that the Wolves are coming.
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by Xand1 on Jul 1, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Jul 3, 2009 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been mildly suprised at how much they value Fernandez
given that he plays the same position as their best player, and they have another young player (Batum) at the other swing position.
I think it shows how smart they are, actually. Still, someone has to go. Someone almost has to go even without Hedo, as they have Roy, Fernandez, Outlaw, Batum, and an injured Webster at the 2-3 spots.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think most of us
See Roy and Rudy being able to share a team together since they’re both versatile, unselfish players, and while their skills overlap, they don’t cannibalize each other.
Both can shoot, both can pass, Roy can create while Rudy can’t without someone setting a screen— but their skills enable them to work off of each other.
They played really well together during the season, and I think we’re hoping/thinking they can continue to play together pretty well as Rudy improves his game. Right now, it’d be a lot easier if Rudy was a stronger ballhandler, so he could dribble the ball up court and let Roy initiate the offense like he normally does, and then guard the PG on defense. That puts more pressure on Roy defensively, but not much more than Blake does.
I think several players would be forced off before Rudy, with all he can offer at a young age and making a cool million bucks, will.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 1, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy and Rudy did play well together
But it made Brandon guard the 3…which is fine…as long as we aren’t playing the Cavs or 76ers.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 1, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's tough to thinking about giving up a fan favorite
From afar, I think Hedo is a perfect fit for them. Their 3s are asked to shoot a ton of long balls and Hedo gives them someone to run the pick and roll with LMA…which would be deadly. Defensively, you have to hope that Oden and LMA give enough of an inside presence to make up for some of the getting-blown-by that will happen with Hedo but offensively, I think they make it up and then some. Also, he functions as something of a point forward so that takes some pressure off of a new rookie point guard….like Flynn.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers were very good on offense and very mediocre on defense last year
That’s why the Hedo signing makes no sense.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that...
…but you have to expect some improvement with age from those 2 bigs. If that doesn’t happen, having or not having Hedo isn’t going to make that big of a difference. The Blazers go from very good to scary good on offense with Hedo. He’s the best p-n-r big in the league and he could add a whole other dimension to the 3 shooting SF spot that seems prevalent in that offense. His point forward skills also open up the possibility of going huge by putting Batum or Outlaw out there along with Roy and Hedo doing the ball handling.
I admit, the age thing is scary with the guy for the amount of money he wants. That’s the big red flag for me. However, I do think that basketball-wise, and for the next 2-3 years, he’s a great fit.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a quality take
There definitely needs to be major defensive improvement from the Blazer bigs if the team is to go deep in the playoffs, Hedo or no Hedo. However, if I’m adding a wing to the Blazers, I don’t want him to be a 30 year old with a below average PER and mediocre defense, certainly not at 5 years/50 mil.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree with you, offensively
Most Blazer fans, me included, would just hate to see our perimeter defense weakened even further, since Hedo would be replacing Batum in the starting lineup, and Batum was our best defender.
So, is the offensive upgrade worth it, when Oden was usually quite good when he played but was always in foul trouble due to weak perimeter defense? It’s a tough call.
I think our offense will improve enough with LMA and Oden’s offensive development, but a point forward would also be very, very nice. I just think it hurts us so much more defensively, and means we don’t get the most from our young bigs who aren’t ready to be goaltenders for 48 minutes.
Right now, unless he was a 6th man, the role and the money doesn’t seem worth it for Hedo, though I do like his versatility on offense.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 1, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The money...
….for a 30 year old is very scary. I think that’s the best argument against him. Defensively, I think he gives you flexibility at the other guard spot where you could run Batum or Outlaw out against guys that are too quick for him. Hell, from what I’ve seen of Batum, I think he’d be quick enough to guard some points for a few minutes at a time.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Batum can guard all perimeter positions
Outlaw is probably just as bad as Hedo defensively. Very slow laterally and loses focus often.
In time, I think Oden and LMA will be able to guard the basket with ease, enabling us to trot out perimeter dudes heavy on offense and light on defense. But for now, while Oden is developing and was limited nearly every single game by our weak defense, I don’t like the idea until Oden has shown he can handle it. Joel can handle it while Oden learns, but every little thing we can do to keep Oden on the floor is worth it, in my book.
I’d imagine we’d play Hedo as the backup PF as well, like we do with Outlaw.
We’ve put Batum on points before, but with Hedo that means it’d be an odd lineup of a PG, Roy, Batum, Hedo, and then either LMA or Oden? Or Roy plays the point? Having to cover for a guy who should be playing 30 minutes a night with a guy who pretty much can only play the same position as the same guy might not work. Unless Hedo is playing PF, I don’t see Batum out there with him much.
And since LMA will get nearly 40 minutes a night at PF, Hedo’s PF minutes would be scarce.
Oh, I dunno how the rotation would all shake out. It brings a lot of question marks defensively to me, and is so expensive, so the question remains… is the upgrade offensively (versatile point forward) worth the hit to our mediocre defense?
My instincts tell me it isn’t worth it, not with a team at or near the top in offensive efficiency, and at the same time just scratching the surface of what we might be able to do on that end of the floor.
If we can get a better PG defender, perhaps the Hedo sized pill will go down smoother. Hinrich still remains on the wish-lips of Blazer fans.
Morty
by Mortimer on Jul 1, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
In some ways, it’s similar to how many on this board feel about Love. Hard to let go of a young player who shows such good potential.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea
But I don’t know about using flynn as bait. We don’t know what will happen with Rubio, and we don’t have any idea why he might not come. I think that most of it is money since he fell from the top 2 or 3 not because he does not want to play in Min or that we drafted Flynn.
So until we actually know what is going to happen with Rubio I don’t think we should get rid of Flynn.
by Swedishdest on Jul 1, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair to hedge our bets
but if a Flynn+ for Fernandez+ deal is on the table I think you have to do it.
by Auswolf on Jul 1, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it too much to hope that Bayless flops in summer league and Flynn averages a triple double?
by Ebomb on Jul 1, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Bayless flopps in summer league
He would have a great regular season (last year he was summer league MVP, but rode the bench when it counted).
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 1, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless
Is a definite wild card. As you stated above, what’s to say that Bayless isn’t a better prospect than Flynn. You could be right. I hated Bayless coming out of college as I saw him when he came up to the W and played in Seattle and just wasn’t impressed. If he can be a shooting-scoring point you don’t need a PG.
by Ebomb on Jul 1, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bayless Theory
Right now he is CERTAINLY just a scoring point, but IN THEORY it would work next to Roy since Roy is the main playmaker anyways, and Bayless is able to guard both the big PGs with his strength and size, and the quick PGs with his athleticism.
Since he showed he has the athleticism and effort to guard most anyone, but not the experience to know exactly where to be and when, I think it could work in time. The time isn’t likely this next season, however.
Being able to guard PGs on defense is what should seperate him from guys like Ben Gordon or Barbosa. I got no doubt Bayless can score in the NBA, so he’ll have an interesting career regardless. Maybe not for the Blazers.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jul 1, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One hopes
that Kahn knows more about the Rubio situation that we do…
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion that we should do it
is on the assumption that Flynn and Rubio don’t want to be on the same team and that it’s a sticking point for Ricky.
by museum on Jul 1, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If we know that Rubio is coming
do this in a second. But being that our most needed position is PG I think we wait until we know what is going to happen. Even if it is that he will stay a year in Europe then come here.
Once we know what he is doing then make or don’t make this trade.
by Swedishdest on Jul 1, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that was supposed to be in response to Auswolf in response to me.
by Swedishdest on Jul 1, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
but the timing may not be so neat.
If Flynn is the issue once the buyout is resolved, then we may have to take a flyer and trade Flynn when the opportunity arises.
And a deal like the one proposed for Fernandez is ideal. But the Blazers will never do it.
by Auswolf on Jul 1, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade makes a lot of sense, but I'm not high on Flynn
I loved the Rubio pick for Minny (best player available) but didn’t like the Flynn pick.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's definitely been a talker...
…and there are very good arguments on both sides of the issue. The big question for those who don’t like the pick is this: Who should they have taken? Curry is a point, Jordan Hill is a power forward, DeRozan wasn’t their BPA, and everything else likely represents a huge fall off. Personally, I think they flubbed the player eval on DeRozan but that’s just sour grapes on my part. It’s a tricky situation and I don’t think we’ll know how well Kahn played it for a few more months.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's well stated.
I’ve never been high on Flynn, but I’m no scout, that’s for sure.
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I think Rubio and Flynn could work, as long as Kahn is willing to deal one or the other as their value increases.
Rubio seems not likely to come over, to Flynn is handed the reins. Hopefully he plays well, making him highly sought after by other teams. Either he can be traded to make room for Rubio to eventually come over, or ya trade the still-valuable-Rubio for a piece you need mor.
I don’t blame Kahn for drafting that way, he had to get the most value and gather as much talent as possible.
Morty
by Mortimer on Jul 1, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They definitely work..
….a lot better when they’re 22 and 24 than when they’re 18 and 20. Rubio will be over. It’s a math problem at this point and you have to remember that his agent is playing chicken both with the Wolves and Joventut. Rubio could get to his 2nd contract at age 23-24 if he comes now. Even with a 6 mil buyout, he could make over 10 mil on the first contract. If he wants to make money, and if he wants to get to his 2nd contract ASAP, then he’s suiting up as a Wolf in November. This is the same thing that happened with Yi.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland won't trade for a rookie PG
By being interested in Hedo, it proves that they are not going to wait to develop any new players. It’s win now time. Fernandez is more important in that aspect.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 1, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what's your take on Hedo to Portland, S4E?
by jksnake99 on Jul 1, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great if it's for half what we offered
I think he is a crappy fit with Brandon. He will take touches away from Greg and LaMarcus. I don’t want anybody taking touches away from Greg. It’s a little unnerving because by going after another 10 mill guy means that we don’t trust our “Big 3”. At least that’s how I look at it. I would rather get a point guard.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 1, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind them adding another 10~million dude
But I do mind them adding THAT around-10-million dude.
I think LMA/Roy/Oden are fine with more help (as long as it isn’t at their specific position, of course), but, like you, I don’t see another scorer being the answer.
Now, Hedo can create, so it is different, but it makes more sense if we had a defensive PG who wasn’t a great playmaker. Hedo CAN be effective without the ball in his hands, getting shots off of kick outs and whatnot, but he won’t be as effective as he was in Orlando— and as all the statheads point out, he wasn’t really that effective.
A guy who is a legit offensive threat at the SF spot, but doesn’t NEED the ball to be worth his time on the floor, is what I think we need. Maybe Martell ain’t healthy, perhaps Batum isn’t ready, but the commitment Hedo is looking for is scary.
EEKS I am scared!!11
Morty
by Mortimer on Jul 1, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check your email
I gonna work on my reinstatement draft tonight.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 1, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But seriously
Miller would have been a better fit than Hedo.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 1, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt that.
Miller, this year, looked like he had mentally and emotionally checked out on the idea that he should help the team win games. At least Hedo has a competitive streak.
by princelyfrank on Jul 2, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's probably right
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW:
I think the most interesting Wolves/Blazers trade would be something involving Gomes and Fernandez. Gomes has an non-guaranteed contract and could be traded for and then cut, giving the Blazers an extra $3.6 mil to work with (plus whatever else they can send out with the trade) for someone like Andre Miller or whatever other veteran point they want. I’m not sure on the exact details of the Gomes contract but it is non-guaranteed and will be so until June 30th of next year.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
1. If Portland sings Hedo- I’m unsure what role Jonny Flynn would play. I would tend to think that Hedo and Brandon Roy intiate most of the Offense.
2. Derozan’s game had plenty of serious flaws. He seemed unable to create Offense for himself or others along with questionable defensive awareness. He has plenty of talent- but their are plenty of reasons to pass on him at 6. The question with Jordan Hill is “Can he give you minutes at the 5?” If the answer is no- he’s a definite pass. Curry’s still the toughest one to address considering: Rubio’s Offensive game like Flynn’s is primarily derived from slashing, How much room will the Wolves have open inside for slashers? and how historically bad a long-range shooting team will they be? It seems Kahn must of thought that Flynn brought more than Curry on D- so this is why the pick was made.
3. I’ve been busy today- but in a unrelated note- Matty P hit the nail on the head. Rubio’s coming to the Wolves- it’s just a matter of time. I remember with the Fegan/Yi quite a bit more posturing and Yi still came to play. Fegan isn’t going to let Rubio putz around in Turkey.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 1, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if this were to be true
and that’s a big if because rudy wouldn’t complain publicly about this and he would never use it as a way of pressuring his team, but if rudy was on the market the wolves would be the best suit for him and viceversa. A starting 2 that can actually shoot and go to the basket?, a guy that can make your “maybe i see you in two years if you don’t trade me” promising young pg into a “let’s do it now” type of guy?. A guy that gets paid only 1.2 m this year?. It’s too perfect.
I read the news on espn and i inmediately thought of two trades.
rudy + outlaw + pendergraph for kevin love (the backup 4 portland is looking for) + gomes (to get cap space)
rudy + outlaw+ patrick mills for johnny flyn (they want to replace steve blake and he can do it as soon as next year) + ryan gomes + 2011 top10 protected 1st rounder
by Ricky Rubio on Jul 1, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy only gets to the hoop on backdoor cuts
He cannot dribble penetrate. He gets no free throws.
I
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 1, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d give up anyone on our roster not named Jefferson, Love or Rubio for Fernandez and would throw-in a protected first rounder next year if KP would rather have that. Applies to a three way trade if necessary to get the vet PG Portland wants.
This is a serendipitous turn of events…Kahn needs to capitalize.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Jul 1, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Blazers
Go Team, you guys need more young players with potential!!!! No one on your team needs to be over 25!!!! Do want to continue to get bounced in the first round? Then please pass on Hedo and keep your 20 year-olds with potential…
by DR_JPK on Jul 1, 2009 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we had a thread like this last year when the Wolves played the Blazers..
….and the thrust of it was that eventually, they will have to poop or get off the pot with the young talent and that the real test of the Blazers’ front office will be turning some of that young talent into win-now vets. This would definitely be the first shot in that direction if they got Hedo. Eventually you have to pay all these guys.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW:
That’s a good problem to have. That should always be mentioned. Much better than 24 win problems.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It is a good problem to have. You know I just enjoy antagonizing Blazer bloggers :) I think getting Hedo would be en excellent move for that team, especially if they can get him at a reasonable price… If Oden stays healthy and becomes a rim protector and adding Hedo, that is a potentially championship caliber team…. It seems to me the bloggers just want to keep stockpiling young talent and talking about potential. As you put it, it’s time for the Blazers to poop!
by DR_JPK on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
poop away
it has to happen at some point.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2-3 years
Hopefully the wolves will be in the position the Blazers are now!
by DR_JPK on Jul 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that they were ever a good fit
But cross Charlie V and Ben Gordon off Portland’s list as they both sign with the Pistons. Gordon 5/$55 Million Charlie 5/$35 Million. This is the only year Portland is going to have cap space, and Hedo would seem to be the best guy left.
by Ebomb on Jul 1, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What is Detroit trying to accomplish?
I really have a hard time understanding their plan.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, if you want to try to improve the most efficient offense in the NBA and ignore any defensive issues
I’d rather they signed Ariza. Better PER, better defense, cheaper, younger.
by ninjasocks on Jul 2, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flynn for Fernandez is too much
I would want Bayless included in any Flynn for Fernandez swap. Throw in whatever else with Flynn (one or two of Gomes, Smith, a pick, pek) I don’t care. Bayless would actually be a nice bench compliment to a Rubio Fernandez backcourt & wouldn’t pose a threat to Rubio. Flynn is the type of young PG that should contribute right away & should be able to help a playoff team.
by Jumping to Pass on Jul 1, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are radically overvaluing Flynn
Flynn ready to help a playoff team? Probably not. He’s 20 and has yet to show he can even play in the NBA. Why should we assume he’s any better than Bayless?
I would love to get Rudy. But it’s tough to see how it happens. Unless we start talking about trading Kevin Love.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...you are definitely overvaluing Flynn
My guess is that we’d have to either pull a third team into this (that may want Flynn more than Blazers) or give Blazers future top protected 1st rounder.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Jul 1, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’ve come to the conclusion that even adding a pick won’t work. We’d need a third team. I just think Flynn is a non-starter in a conversation with the Blazers about Fernandez. They just don’t need or want him, I don’t think. They need veteran talent at the PG and maybe some quality front line depth.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
Flynn is way more of a distributor than Bayless will ever be & is certainly more NBA ready than most PG’s from this draft not named Ty Lawson. Bayless SUCKED last year. He was awful. So we are talking about trading the 6th pick + another asset or two for a late lotto pick who totally underperformed and a disgruntled late first rounder.
by Jumping to Pass on Jul 1, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you would need to send us
someone else with flynn for us to even consider it.
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still not sure why Flynn got picked at 6 instead of 14 (or later)
(1) Flynn’s completely unproven.
(2) The Blazers want a shoot-first PG, rather than a pass-first PG as Roy runs most of the offense.
(3) Most PGs take years to develop. Flynn is just another gamble, a year farther behind in development.
by ninjasocks on Jul 2, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers only value Flynn if
1) They think he improves their perimeter Defense
2) They think Brandon Roy can be more effective off-the ball.
I can’t answer KP’s view of 1 and as far as 2 goes considering thier ranking in Offensive Rating this seems like a stretch. Although John Hollinger pointed out a need for someone to share some primary facilator duties with Brandoy Roy becuase of the Houston series.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 2, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota isn't getting Rudy for anything less than Rubio
When was the last time a rookie signifigantly helped a 54 win team?
by JordanLeDoux on Jul 2, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have it wrong
Fernandez for Rubio.. you guys can keep Flynn
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 1, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think the play is...
To let every NBA team that Portland is talking to about a vet PG (Sixers…Andre Miller, Bulls…Hinrich etc) that we want in on this. In case of Sixers, send Flynn to them as a replacement for Miller. Bulls obviously don’t need a PG, but they’d probably be thrilled to get a future #1 from us.
I don’t think we have the assets Blazers want b/c I don’t think they’ll put much value on Flynn or our future picks as they’re looking to win now. However, those assets are very attractive to most other teams so we need to insert ourselves in this process.
I’m definitely willing to slighly overpay for Fernandez.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Jul 1, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Sixers do that...
They’ve just created the same problem: two rookie PGs. Plus, everyone saw how well Jrue Holiday handled that at UCLA last year.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 1, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it happens
The Rudy story is a complete fabrication
by Xavier Garcia on Jul 1, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could be
but there’s no question that if they sign Turk, which appears likely, that minutes are going to be scarce.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does seem...
…quite iffy.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy denies it and the team denies it
There is no there there.
by ninjasocks on Jul 2, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if I'd do it because I'm not a Rubio fan
and I want a veteran PG
but how would you guys see Rudy+Bayless for Rubio?
by Falcao on Jul 1, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rubio would be all over that
Fits both teams needs nicely, actually.
by Xavier Garcia on Jul 1, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubio and McMillan?
haha, right. Sounds more like oil and water to me.
by Arby on Jul 2, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hates guys who can defend really well?
I don’t get the “Nate wouldn’t like Rubio” argument. I would think Nate would love a creative playmaker who could be a great defender.
Nate loves Nash, and we know Nate loves defense, what if we combined the two? Nate would marry Rubio.
Morty
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate hates rookies
Almost as much as hobos.
I doubt he likes Spanish point guards anymore as well.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 3, 2009 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Not even something I give one second thought to
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-Way Deal?
Maybe something that gets Hinrich to Portland and Fernandez+ to MN. There’s the vet PG you are looking for, and time for Portland to make a run this year.
Hinrich
Roy
Turkolgu
Aldridge
Oden
That’s a serious starting 5, and Hinrich can play with Roy or Turkolgu initiating. I’m probably just helping Portland and MN by not thinking through what Chi would want.
by Punisher#8 on Jul 1, 2009 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chicago just lost Ben Gordon
but still has Derrick Rose. I’d say Kirk Hinrich, a point guard who can play shooting guard and successfully guard opposing off-guards is better for them than Jonny Flynn, who we only like to pretend can do those things. We’d basically be taking our questionable draft strategy and forcing Chicago to try to make it work. Something tells me they wouldn’t go for it.
I like where this is headed though. There’s gotta be an above-average veteran point guard on a declining team that this deal could work for. Andre Miller? Jose Calderon? Steve Nash? Baron Davis?
by John Doe on Jul 1, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago would beg for Rudy
He would fit them perfect.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of former Blazers
the Memphis Grizzlies just got their scoring big man in Zach Randolph, for whom they traded Q Richardson back to the Clippers . . . they’re gettin’ the old band back together!
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Breaking News!!!
Bassy to Memphis!!!
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hell you say . . .
where is it?
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
That’s a joke… right?
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by HumdingerTV on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to be interested to see what comes back
because the salaries for any player that makes sense don’t work out . . .
. . . wait a minute—Good GOD! THAT’S MARKO JARIC’S MUSIC!!!!
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that he's married to that hottie
Sounds like a win to me!
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry...
…couldn’t resist. ;)
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've been drinking, too
haven’t you.
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saving the rest of my draft-night bottle of scotch....
….for the Rubio press conference day.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Bassy is at home right now
surfing the web in his den. His wife calls from another room. “Honey,” she says. “It’s been a long week. Come to bed and get some sleep.”
“In a minute,” Sebastian says, and nervously resumes clicking on the keyboard. He knows it’s not a matter of if he gets traded, but rather when. And, more ominously, where.
Just then his computer dings, signaling an incoming e-mail. It’s Google News, sending an automatic e-mail any time his name is mentioned in the news or on the web. In the preview pane he can see the word “Bassy” and “canishoopus” in the headline. His heart races as he clicks on the link to the post made by Stop-n-Pop just a few minutes ago.
“F*CK ME !!!” he cries.
His wife comes running into the room, terrified. “What is it? What? What?” she shrieks at her husband, who has buried his face in his hands, and is sobbing quietly.
“Pack your bags, baby. We’re moving to Memphis.”
{fini}
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good god
I can’t believe the Clips managed to find a taker for Zach. I guess Memphis can absorb the salary, but why on earth would they want to?
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine THAT locker room
Thabeet and Gasol off grunting in the corner, Z-Bo and Arthur chiefin’ ona kill, O.J. Mayo seeing if he still has any NCAA eligibility left so that he can return to USC, DeMarre Carroll hooked up to an EKG machine, Conley texting Oden every ten minutes
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just senseless
33 million for 2 years of Z-Bo?
Might as well pay 33 million to get kicked in the balls 82 times a year.
Seriously, what’s up? I’m not a huge fan of Thabeet and Gasol, but at least you could squint and see a developing front line there with Mayo and Gay scoring on the perimeter.
But Z-Bo? Trading 1 year of 9 million for 2 at 33?
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Grizzlies beat writer
agreed with you way back in September of 2008
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaving a strip club without paying...
….is still my favorite Randolph moment. He must have been at the BYOB joint outside the Air Force base in San Angelo, TX. That’s the only reasonable explanation.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what's the reasonable explanation . . .
. . . for your apparent ability to pinpoint any particular seedy strip club within a 1,000 mile radius of your current location?
Hmmm?
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was right out the back gate
;)
It was one of those places where they should have paid you to watch instead of the other way around.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young airman + steady paycheck + no car =
Seedy strip clubbing.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then,
as long as you weren’t looking at anyone’s mother, daughter, or sister, I’m perfectly fine with it.
Carry on.
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The older me...
….feels much guilt about it, believe me. With 2 daughters and probably a 3rd on the way, younger me gets serious negative marks in my current book.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 1, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just needlin' you.
It’s a rite of passage for a young airman. What’s really creepy is when you see some Soccer Dad’s minivan parked in the lot at the strip club.
Which is why I always drive my Vespa right into the joint when I go there.
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by PoorDick on Jul 2, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody...
..expects the Vespa.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 2, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
STOP CALLIN HIM Z-BO
iss disrespectful ta mah boi Z-Ro mayn. der isnt even a damn B in his name mayn!
MAYN HOL UP!
by MAYNHOLUP on Jul 1, 2009 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, I happened to see both Z-Bo and Z-Ro
at last year’s national Kiwanis convention. Z-Ro gave me the okey-dokey.
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by PoorDick on Jul 1, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya'll still mad about that roy deal why you always want to abuse us?
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by faith on Jul 1, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rudy story is BULLSHIT!
Rudy’s in Spain teaching children how to play basketball and squeezing in workouts with one of the Blazer assistant coaches y’all are not trying to hire, Caleb Kanales.
He just spoke with both Nate McMillen and Kevin Pritchard just two days ago and was very upbeat about the upcoming season.
He was just quoted in a Spanish newspaper today about how challenging and rewarding the last season was and how much he loved Portland and the fans.
The only legitimate reports about a malcontent Spanish basketball player concern a potential player on your roster. Don’t project your Ricky Rubio problems onto our Rudy Fernandez bliss.
by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 5:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps you should direct your ire
onto ESPN, which is the source of the rumour.
by Auswolf on Jul 2, 2009 5:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't intend to direct any ire at y'all
I like this site and your fanbase. I just wanted you to know that the Blazers are less interested in selling Rudy for pennies on the dollar than the T-Wolves are with Ricky.
There is no Rudy drama. Take these rumours for what they’re worth: trumped-up crap.
by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the trumped up crap
It’s ESPN at it’s worst. We’ve seen a lot of it lately with Favre and Rubio. Who knows where this quote is coming from. That being said, there will be an issue of playing time if Hedo signs as well as a glut of players at the 2/3 (mostly the 3) with the Blazers.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 2, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it when people agree with me
Everyone here is so nice. I agree with you that the Brett Favre thing is out of control. I was hoping that he would join John Madden in retirement so they could hang out in the old coach’s RV and talk about their favorite subject, Brett Favre.
Madden would probably slip a Ruphie in Favre’s pudding and dry-hump him to the sweet sounds of the “Raider’s Theme” from NFL films. Or maybe just wait until Thanksgiving so he could rape him with a Turducken. Either way, I would be happy to have both of them out of my life forever.
by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prepare yourself...
…for Favregeddon. It’s only going to get worse. ;)
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 2, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Favregeddon...
…nice. Better trademark that shizzle.
by BlazerTag on Jul 3, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta give credit...
…to our excellent sister site The Daily Norseman for that one.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 3, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and the glut is at the 3 position only
While it’s true Rudy backs up Roy at the two, they also work awesome together when Roy plays the three and Rudy plays the two. Statistically speaking, those situations were the Blazers’ best line-ups last season. I repeat, the Blazers’ best line-ups were with both Rudy AND Roy.
Batum is a young defensive stopper that won the starting job as an eighteen year-old kid due to a severe injury to Martell Webster’s foot. An injury very similar to Yao’s that may or may not heal. Martell STILL hasn’t been cleared for any running drills. I doubt the Blazers are counting on any production from him next season.
All signs point to Travis Outlaw being the odd man out. Blazers management spoke of how our offensive shortcomings were exposed in the playoffs and the need to correct that. No one played worse in the playoffs than Travis Outlaw. By game three of the Houston series, he was replaced by Rudy as the first guy off the bench (Rudy would go on to start by the end of the series). Outlaw was exposed in the playoffs.
Hedo will start at three with Roy and Batum backing him up. Roy will start at the two with only Rudy backing him up (he will also be the first person off the bench). Anything the Blazers get from Webster will be a bonus. Batum is only 19 and will be happy to get the same 16 minutes per game he received last year as Hedo’s understudy. I don’t see the problem here.
by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there is one thing....
….we’ve learned in the Rubio mess, it is that Euro players always have the option, good or not, to go to Europe. Fernandez is a star in Spain. In a bigger pond (the NBA), will he be happy making $1 mil/year with 18 mpg? I don’t think it’s as simple as everyone will be happy with Hedo. I don’t think it’s as bad as ESPN is making it, but I do think it will be an issue for a player of Fernandez’s caliber.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 2, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that the Europe option isn't available to Rudy anymore
Once you’re under contract in the NBA, FIBA rules disallow you from playing in Europe. Rubio can go over there because he still isn’t under contract.
Rudy averaged 25 min a game last year for the Blazers. He will get more than that next year when he’s the first guy off the bench instead of the second.
I agree that Rudy can be pried away from the Blazers, but not with anything on the T-Wolves roster. A more reasonable trade would be having you guys help us with the logjam at three (there’s no logjam at two) and we’ll relieve you of one of your 27 power forwards.
I’m not going to the trade machine, but something like Travis Outlaw for Craig Smith seems perfectly reasonable.
by BlazerTag on Jul 3, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith or Gomes...
….are yours for Outlaw, Batum, Fernandez, or even Webster. The Wolves need a 3 in a bad, bad way.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 3, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that'd be a great move for the Wolves.
Personally, I’d snag Batum in a heartbeat. Another perimeter defender who can play in transition, take pressure off our back line defense, make corner 3s? Sign me up.
by TheH on Jul 3, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it were up to me...
Batum stays no matter what is offered. Perimeter defenders are at a premium ever since the “no hand-check” rule.
Outlaw should be your target if you want a player for cheap. Webster will come even cheaper, but he’s got an injury that he’s still recovering from.
I know you guys aren’t going to like this, but to get Rudy you would have to give up Kevin Love in return.
by BlazerTag on Jul 3, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Rudy,
but he doesn’t do anything as well as Love rebounds.
by Punisher#8 on Jul 3, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not getting into this one.
Quick Answer: NO
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 3, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said you weren't going to like it
To receive, you have to give. I’m not saying either player is better than the other. I understand how much you guys love Love, but he is the most comparable asset on your roster talent-wise to Rudy Fernandez.
But if I were arguing (and I’m not), I would say that Rudy shoots threes as well as Love rebounds.
by BlazerTag on Jul 4, 2009 3:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh. 40% is very good, but he’d have to have put up the shooting %‘s he did last year at age 19 during his rookie year to compare to Love and his rebounding. I understand that he’s a good player and that you guys value him highly. This is obviously just an issue of two teams fans valuing their players differently, but to give you an idea of where we stand, I’d guess most of us put Love on par with Lamarcus “the solution to world hunger” Aldridge.
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by Xand1 on Jul 5, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be my preference
Batum is the catch above and beyond Rudy, Outlaw and Webster. Batum is going to be a stud.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 3, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Webster's injury isn't career-threatening...
And he can recover, I’d be okay with him, too. But really, either he or Outlaw for the Rhino would be a great deal for the Wolves.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 3, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
REC'D
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 8, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if the story is BS
It doesn’t change the fact taht with Turkey Glue, the Blazers have almost as many wings as we have 4s and PGs. Assume for a minue that Roy gets 30mn at the 2 (he’ll play some point), Turkey Glue gets 30 at the 3 and Aldrige gets 36 at the 4. That leaves 48 minutes for Fernandez, Outlaw, Batum and Webster, and I dont’ see ANY of those guys being happy with 12 minutes or less a game.
Combine that fact with the fact that Blake is still the starting PG (or an unproven Bayless), and if the Blazers want to contend now (and why would you sign Hedo if you didn’t?) they’re going to have to do something to upgrade the PG spot.
I’m not saying that Flynn is the answer (in fact, I don’t think he is if you want to win now), but there should be a 3 team deal out there. Hopeflly Pritch and the Kahn are working the phones.
by Sterno on Jul 2, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, I've been thinking about this
and I wonder. I’ve come to think there isn’t a huge market for Flynn. For one thing, our FO clearly valued him as high as he could be valued—I doubt he was higher than 6 on a lot of draft boards.
For another thing—what team wanted a young point guard that didn’t get one? Not to say some of them wouldn’t prefer Flynn to the guy they got (Jeff Teague?) but probably not so much as to give up a piece that Portland would want in order to replace the guy they got in the draft with Flynn.
There are a few teams that didn’t, but the group of teams that are at a place in their cycle to want a young pg and didn’t already have on or get one in this draft isn’t huge.
The Knicks? OK, but they pretty clearly didn’t want Flynn enough to trade for him on draft day. The Hawks? Seems to me they should be trying to win now, and they drafted Teague. The Suns? Are they at that point? Other bad teams got point guards or have them. Sac apparently preferred Evans, OKC has Westbrook, GS seems happy with Curry, the Bucks got Jennings, the Bobcats have Felton and Augustin, etc.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's one idea
that I don’t think would work for a variety of reasons, one of which is that Ray Felton is an RFA and the Bobcats made a Q-offer to him, so that would have to get resolved one way or another, but could a deal be structured in such as way where the Blazers got Gerald Wallace, the Bobcats get Outlaw, Flynn, expirings, and a pick, and the Wolves wound up with Fernandez?
Cats do it to relieve future salary committments, which are large, get a point on a rookie deal, and, say, their pick back. I doubt they do it even if Felton walks, since they have Augustin and that isn’t a great return for their best player.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before the draft
Would you really have considered trading the #6 pick straight up for Rudy Fernandez. I realize things have changes because we now have the player, but as much as you’ve been harping about overvaluing Flynn, I have to think you might be overvaluing Fernandez as well.
by Ebomb on Jul 2, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be that I am
and it’s a tough question to answer, but I think I would have. I would have traded Miller, Foye, and 6 for 5 and Fernandez, yes.
That’s how I have to analyze it to make sense of it. I would probably NOT have traded the 6 for Fernandez without also having the 5, but we did have the 5, so that’s how I look at it.
I think Fernandez is more valuable to us (all circumstances considered) than Foye (or at least no less valuable), and so then it’s trading Miller’s final K year to move up from 6 to 5. Now, I might not have done that without knowing that Rubio would be there at 5 but not 6, but since it turns out exactly that way, I would make that exchange.
I might be overvaluing Fernandez. He isn’t a great player. But he does some things that we need quite well, he’s cheap, and he’s young. I can envision him as a key cog on a good Wolves team.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most sensible trade proposal I've heard yet for Rudy
Unfortunately, getting Gerald Wallace would do nothing to relieve the minute crunch for our wings.
by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace is vastly better than Rudy
Wallace is a top 15 Player in the league- where as Rudy’s a quality scorer. I like Rudy but if the Wolves really think Flynn can be a lockdown defender at the 1. I question “Why make a trade like this at this time?” I’m also unsure how well Flynn would fit would the Blazers roster unless they also conclude he’s a lockdown defender. I’m not making any judgement just throwing Kahn’s view of Flynn.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 2, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No disagreement here about Wallace > Rudy
I just meant if the Blazer’s are on the verge of signing Hedo for four years, I don’t see them trading for another quality small forward.
by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
Explain how Wallace is considered a top 15 player in this league. I am real curious to see which players you think he is ahead of.
I think he is probably top 40 but beyond that he is not really that special. He’s a slasher that plays decent defence and there’s a lot of similar players in the NBA.
by lrh86 on Jul 3, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace- Top 15
You ought to know I look at the numbers.
Wallace was 20th in the league in Total Win Shares- last season at 9.2. WOW put his Win Shares at 11
- He’s a plus defender at the 3. Very defensively active for a 3 when it comes to steals, rebounds, and blocks. Queen City Hoops pointed out how opposing players shot about 2 points worse on average being guarded by him as opposed to other defenders at the 3.
- TS% of 58.5- He attacks the basket and gets to the line.
-Considering all this I would tend to think of him higher than say Mo Williams, Rashad Lewis, David Lee, Chris Bosh, and others that would be ranked around him in Win Shares on BBR. Translation: He’s a very nice second option and medicore 1st option hence putting him as a Top 15 player.
-He’s underated due to the fact that Charlotte’s talent base is pretty poor outside of him, Emeka, and Felton.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 3, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny.
He’s a top 15 player, you can tell cause he’s ranked 20th in win share!
Seems like that’s an argument he’s a top 20 player.
by princelyfrank on Jul 3, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
20th BBR 11th WOW
You average these formulas he’s around 15-16. When you factor in his plus/defense I think it’s fair to say he vaults over other players on the list. Off the players in the Top 20- I think it’s realistic to say he’s better than several players ranked below him if you take into account surronding talent and defensive ability. This seems to be a fair ranking.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 3, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he's a productive player, but here are the players off the top of my head....
….I think we’d all take first:
Kobe
LeBron
CP3
Howard
Wade
Duncan
Parker
Manu
Dirk
Roy
Pau
Bosh
Yao
KG
KD
Nash
Melo
D-Will
…I agree that he’s in the Danny Granger/Kevin Martin range, but I think top 15 is pushing it a bit.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 3, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's look at this list
Durant- His biggest strength is his offensive Efficency. Wallace has a higher TS%, is a better rebounder and defender.
Nash- Can’t defend- I would rather have had Wallace this season.
Manu’s injuries also seem to eliminate him. KG is hard to evaluate for a similar reason.
I equate Wallace to Bosh. Wallace seems to give a bit more of a well-rounded game where as Bosh is a better scorer.
I think if you put Wallace on a team like Cleveland as a 2nd fiddle- he’d be mentioned in the same breath of dynamic 2 as Pau Gasol.
Overall- I think he’s the Number 1 on a mediocre team or a Number 2 on a Championship level team. This is where why I place him in the Top 15 (Granted at the Bottom)
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 3, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Durant still has a lot of potential to improve.
He was a very good rebounder in college, too. Wallace is a nice player, though, certainly.
by princelyfrank on Jul 3, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd still take anyone on that list..
….over Wallace if I wanted to build a winning team. Even old guys like Duncan, KG or Nash.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 4, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three-way trade with Blazers?
Could the Suns move Nash to the Blazers with parts coming back in addition to receiving Flynn, and we snag maybe Fernandez?
by TheH on Jul 2, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m just not sure the Suns are quite there yet, where they are ready to blow it all up. I know they’ve talked about trading Stoudemire, but they seem to want quality players back. And now it sounds like it may not happen. I mean, they aren’t winning a title, but a team this year focused on Nash, Stoudemire, Barbosa, and J-Rich could be pretty entertaining. I’m not sure they are ready to let go.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nash couldn't work in the slowed-down offense the Blazers run
And his lack of D would mean Oden would foul out in 10 minutes instead of 25.
by ninjasocks on Jul 2, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll probably be 40+ minutes between Fernandez and Batum
Webster’s foot STILL hasn’t healed. He had pretty much the same injury Yao has now. I love Martell, but he’s a huge question-mark health-wise.
Outlaw only got playing time because he was one of the only Blazers that could create his own shot. By adding Hedo, Travis’s role will become unnecessary.
Batum is only 19. He will be happy to get the 16 minutes per game he received his rookie year.
That leaves the rest of the minutes for Rudy.
by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible 3 way
Portland Receives
- Devin Harris ($8.5 Million)
- Pecherov ($1.5 Million)
Minny Receives
- Rudy ($1.1 Million)
- Outlaw. ($4 Million)
- Jarvis Hayes ($2 Million)
NJ Receives
- Johnny Flynn ($2.5 Million)
- Steve Blake ($4.9 Million)
- Craig Smith ($2.5 Million)
- Rights to Pekovic
by Ebomb on Jul 2, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That trade seems to favor Portland and maybe sell a little low for the nets, so maybe the rights to Claver or possibly a future first from Portland to NJ to square things out.
by Ebomb on Jul 2, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are on a roll today!
Another sensible trade.
by BlazerTag on Jul 2, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'd have to throw in a pick, probably Charlotte's
to get NJ to think about it, I suspect. And maybe rights to Claver would also have to go to them.
I’d consider it from the Wolves side. Great trade for Portland. Getting the best player by far, and not giving up a core piece?
Harris
Roy
Batum
LMA
Oden
without any more moves? That’s pretty good. Frankly, it’s almost too good.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much
So from the Minnesota side it’s Flynn for Rudy, and then Smith/Pekovic/Pecherov/and a #1 for Outlaw and Hayes?
by Punisher#8 on Jul 2, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dsagree with
Minnesota needing to add the # 1 Pick. Portland is the one who would need to sweeten the deal with the Nets
by Ebomb on Jul 2, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with your disagreement.
Portland is really just giving up Rudy and expiring deals. They could throw in a pick or maybe Jerryd Bayless (or a couple of their foreigners like Petteri Kopponen).
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by SoulHonky on Jul 2, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw is an asset
He’s a wiry-strong 3/4 that was in the running for the 6th man award last year.
by ninjasocks on Jul 2, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree
but any Portland pick isn’t going to be great value. I was thinking of what it would take for the Nets to pull the trigger.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign me up
I would kill for Devin Harris as our PG.
M—
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would replace Blake with Bayless, if that's what it took.
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by premthegrem on Jul 2, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I see it
We hope that Bayless can become Harris, so if we could get Harris, I don’t mind moving Bayless. Harris is the perfect age for our team, and a skillset we desire.
And Blake would be an AWESOME backup PG. He’d be Przybillaesque in reliability and solidness.
Morty
by Mortimer on Jul 2, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best trade i have heard of in a while!!!
Keep it up
Greg Oden - The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 8, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Al and Flynn for Oden, Rudy, Outlaw, and Blake
Or maybe replace Outlaw and Blake with Minny’s own Joel Pryzbilla.
An Oden, Love, Rudy, Ricky core could bust completely but there’s a world of potential there.
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by SoulHonky on Jul 2, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a whole new can of worms
But I’m gonna shoot down the second one. No way does Portland give up their 2 centers for a PF when they have Aldridge.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. But I still like the main option
Big Al can handle some center in today’s NBA and I think the Blazers need a low post scoring option (which I’m not sure Oden will ever be). Big Al, LA, Hedo, Roy, and Flynn is an interesting lineup with Bayless, Batum, Pryz coming off the pine. They could still look to grab a vet PG to hold down the fort while Flynn and Bayless learn the ropes.
The Wolves roll the dice but I think Rubio, Rudy, Love, and Oden is one hell of a young core and adding Rudy could keep Ricky happy. Oden helps their defense and they just need a defensive minded SF to really solidify the lineup.
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by SoulHonky on Jul 2, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like this from Minnesota's perspective
Although I consider Al a 5 and I’m still skeptical of Oden’s long-term health. Although the trade value seems well thought out.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 2, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance does Minnesota give up their one star for a couple big Maybe’s . :)
by Pants_ on Jul 2, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blazer's fan here
Maybe the Kevin Pritchard and us fan’s over-value Rudy. But if KP wanted to draft a rookie point guard in the top 5, he had the resources to get a top 5 pick. Flynn may be a lights out point guard but certainly doesn’t fit what the Blazer’s are looking for.
If Rudy had declared for the draft this year or last year he would have been a top 5 pick, the only reason he fell so far was that he had a bad contract and it didn’t look like he would be coming over soon.
While we may have too many wing players on the team, a young exciting shooting guard who set the rookie record for 3’s, who has an international fan base and is only being paid around a million is going to be worth a lot on the open market.
He might be perfect for Minnesota, but if he were being shopped he would be worth a pretty decent player.
And as for Oden, the juries still out, but nobody in Portland is thinking about trading him. He didn’t put up great numbers because of foul trouble, but when he played he changed games.
On Blazer’s Edge we see constant trade proposal’s for Devin Harris, because he would be the perfect fit for Portland. Unfortunately he’s worth more than what most blazer’s edgers can see offering for him. Good luck with your speculating, but if we offered Trout and Bayless for Love, you guys would laugh…
by boppitywop on Jul 2, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blazer fan here
I agree that Turkey will cause a logjam in PDX. There really seems to be too few minutes for the players we have (and will have with Turk). This is just a trade idea that may or may not work $$$ wise, but seems reasonable talent wise.
PDX trades Rudy & Outlaw and the rights to Claver
Minny trades Flynn, E Thomas & 2010 unprotected 1st pick
Minny could have 3 starters from the Spanish National team. No doubt Rudy and Claver would help bring Rubio over as well.
Anyway, just a thought.
by jkbird on Jul 2, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We couldn't trade an unprotected pick (Due to Clippers Trade)
and such a swap wouldn’t justify a unprotected pick especially if the Wolves win 18 games.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 2, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another reason to get Fernandez
Now I don’t know if someone has already pointed this out, and if I am not the first than fine because I feel it is a legit point.
Rubio has a 6.6 million dollar buyout, we all know that and at least I don’t like it, BUT Rudy has been in the league a few years and if he is as close to Rubio as it sounds in this little bit then why can’t Rudy give Ricky a loan to cover the buyout. I don’t know if there is a clause in Rubio’s EL contract but if possible I think that would be at least another reason to get the man (Rudy) to Minnesota!!
by NDak_Twolvesfan on Jul 3, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rudy doesn't have any money!!!
He’s working for the NBA rookie scale contract as a 26th pick. He can afford Rubio’s buyout less than Rubio can. Ricky will be making more money as a 5th pick on the rookie NBA scale.
by BlazerTag on Jul 3, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good move..
….for the Blazers. They’re going to be a tough, tough team next year with Hedo running the p-n-r. I’d be a little worried about the backend of the deal, but even when Hedo gets old, he’ll still be able to operate as a three point specialist to some extent.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 3, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they need to trade?
Hedo makes 11 guys under contract, plus Miles $9m on the cap for this season and around $58mil committed.
Still a way from the lux tax, but need 1 or 2 more to fill the roster with some unsigned draft picks in hand (Go Patty Mills!)
by Auswolf on Jul 3, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they don't need to..
….but they’re overloaded at the 3. someone is not going to be happy.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 3, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it looks like no Hedo
in Portland—he left town.
If I were them, I’m not sure I would do anything—maybe try to get another big using Outlaw’s expiring or something. Still, there’s an argument that they need another significant piece to truly compete for championships.
Here’s a question for conversation: would they be interested in Al Jefferson? They could certainly use someone who can consistently get them something in the post, which he does as well as anyone. But they seem to be focused on finding an initiator to take the pressure off of Roy.
I’m not advocating it, just bringing it up for conversation: what would it take for you to start thinking about it?
by Eric in Madison on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh
It wouldn’t have to match salaries since they are below the cap. This is their off-season to do something; next year their big extensions start to come.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 3, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There wouldn't be a lot of space if you had Oden and Jefferson on the floor at the same time
Honestly there aren’t any players on the Wolves roster that I would be particular excited n getting. Other people may think otherwise.
by ppilot on Jul 4, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they have up till this year's trade deadline to do something
Because we are going to be over the Salary cap for a long time after that
by ppilot on Jul 4, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only way you would get Rudy and Claver
Send Love back to Oregon
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Jul 5, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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