Jonny Ball

OK, first things first: There aren't a whole lot of things you can take away from Summer League action. In a league where Randy Foye and Jerryd Bayless can walk away with MVP honors, and where Anthony Randoph and Rodrigue Beaubois can dominate, you have to take everything with a grain of salt.
That being said, the league isn't completely useless. It is a solid forum to view player types and whether or not a guy can play on this level nor not. On those fronts, Jonny Flynn and Wayne Ellington had decent debuts regardless of what showed up on the stat sheet. Corey Brewer, on the other hand, may have given Wolves fans reason to squirm in their seats when thinking about how the Wolves are going to fare at the 2/3 this season. Let's start with the rookies.
The good, bad and ugly was all on full display with Flynn's 7 assist/7 turnover performance. The good was that he has a world-class handle with top-notch quickness which allows him to get to pretty much wherever he wants to go on the floor. On numerous occasions his defender (often the woefully overmatched Mike Green) was not even close to being able to stay in front of him. Flynn also displayed a natural ability to run the pick and roll/pop, running several nice plays with Olesky Pecherov and Rob Kurz. He was also able to keep his dribble deep into the lane and along the baseline--the two places on the court that are the hardest for diminutive points to navigate. At numerous points in the game, Flynn actively sought out contact in order to better his position (and his teammates' positions) on the court.
The bad and the ugly goes to his sometimes putrid shot selection. There is no reason on god's green earth why someone with that type of handle and quickness should be taking step-back 20 foot jumpers. He also played a tad out of control at times, getting picked off the dribble and floating perimeter passes that we a little too casual. All-in-all, Flynn had a solid debut and it was encouraging to see that a) he belongs at this level and b) that he's the type of guard that can run an offense in both the 1/2 court and in transition.
Ellington had a no-good-awful-terrible shooting day, going 2-12 from the floor. Beyond that, he rebounded well, didn't force anything, played solid defense and was surprisingly athletic. Ellington also displayed some creativity with the ball, getting into the lane on several occasions only to short-arm a few layups. In terms of attempts, I'd be willing to wage a large amount of money on the chance that if he were to have the same shots in the next game, he'd make over 45% of them. He didn't force anything and he didn't turn it over while getting good looks and playing solid ball. On a team that lacks another shooter and is beyond thin at the 2/3, Ellington may have found himself a right-guy/right-time situation. He should get a ton of good looks this season, especially if Flynn's quickness and handle prove to be legit in regular season action.
Ellington's main competition for the starting 2 at this point in time is Corey Brewer. Brewer, as we all know, is coming off a terrible knee injury and the game against Houston marked his first 5-on-5 action since going down with the bad ACL. That being said, and taking into consideration his slow start in last year's Summer League, and knowing full well that Brewer will never be an on-the-ball dynamo, his performance can most charitably be described as underwhelming. He not only was tentative but he displayed very little of the off-the-ball skills that were evident when he was at his relative best at Florida and during limited stretches with the Wolves. Here's hoping he can regain some of his confidence and get his pacing under control because the player we saw in today's action did not look like he belonged on an NBA court anymore than someone like Rob Kurz. That's not to say he doesn't belong at all; rather, that it's not the type of performance you want to see from a lottery pick...even coming off of an injury in a sloppy Summer League game.
Beyond the on-court performances, the game was somewhat notable for the in-game commentary. Kevin Love joined the announcing team for some always-entertaining Love + open mic entertainment: talking about Twitter and the possibility of using Ricky Rubio for trade bait. The announcing crew of Joel Meyers and David Aldridge both seemed to be enamored with the possibilities of the Wolves' young roster and their future assets. While I think that their claims that the Wolves could push .500 are more than a tad over the top they did make several interesting points about the Wolves being in a better position than your average 24 win squad. They also had an interesting 3rd quarter interview with Rockets GM Daryl Morey, who had some excellent comments about the importance of having a coach who can operate with several different systems a'la Rick Adelman. Adelman has always been one of my favorite coaches and I am hopeful that his assistant Elston Turner will have a good interview with David Kahn, as system flexibility will be an important factor with a club that figures to see some turnover in the next year or so.
One final point: The Wolves had an opportunity to run out a 2 point guard lineup with Flynn and Bobby Brown for a few stretches of game action. While it didn't produce anything you'd really want to write home about, it was interesting for the promise of setting up Flynn in the corner and letting him go 1-on-1 in a way that can collapse the middle of the defense with a defender from the top of the key. On several possessions, Flynn was able to drive into the heart of the lane while opening up a wide-open jumper for a big man on the perimeter. In this game it was Brown and Flynn running plays for Kurz and Pecherov. Hopefully, somewhere down the line we can see it being done with Rubio and Flynn running things for Love and Ryan Gomes.
That about does it for this wrap-up. What did you take away from the game other than that Summer League ball is often brutal? The Wolves play again at 3pm on Monday against the D-League select team.
Until later.
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like i sed mayn
de boi corey need ta chief on sum uv dat good mayn de kill might freak him out to much mayn maybe hook him up wit sum purp o sum nice blueberry kush mayn
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by MAYNHOLUP on Jul 12, 2009 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very disappointing to hear. It’s make or break for Corey and as much as I liked his selection … he’s really not giving us a lot to show some confidence in him.
ESPN’s draft rater thing had him rated at about 30 that year … I’m really starting to get scared that the rater might have been right.. Come on Corey!
We got Rubio!
by Wim (Belgium) on Jul 13, 2009 1:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not willing to get worried
about one dodgy Summer League performance after 12 months on the sidelines, but he’ll be playing for his option from day 1 of the season.
How was Pecherov’s performance assessed today?
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by Auswolf on Jul 13, 2009 1:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewer...Bust (?)
I am more worried about his body of work up to this point. Let’s face it, if he had been a 2nd rounder, he would have been cut by now. The guy just doesn’t have NBA level offensive skills. For him to become a defensive specialist, he’s going to have to master the ability to hit open jumpers, and nothing suggests he has that ability.
by DougW on Jul 13, 2009 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a Good Start but...
… I don’t see a Flynn/Brown backcourt anytime soon. Flynn running at point did do some good, but even in the Summer League you can’t really be gunning with 7 TO’s. Brewer’s gone through his ups and downs… Given enough time to mesh with the team he’ll be able to put up some decent showings. Ellington just looked plain nervous at times.
What can we say for Pecherov?
by joeshen on Jul 13, 2009 2:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure we'll have to worry all that much about Brown/Flynn
Brown’s the first guy gone if we make a trade requiring roster space or sign a couple of free agents.
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by Auswolf on Jul 13, 2009 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not worried about Brew...
in the NBA, he hardly handles the ball at all. In Summer League, he tries to take over games. He showed real progress last year, before getting hurt. That’s easy to forget. As long as his knee allows him to play his old defense, he’ll be a decent player in our regular rotation.
by Andy G on Jul 13, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brew vs. Carney
Is Brewer significantly better than Carney? Would anyone shed a tear if the Wolves don’t bring Carney back? I am perfectly ok with chalking Brewer up as another bad McHale draft pick and moving on.
I really think Wolves fans are not being honest with themselves on the reality of Brewer’s abilities. We keep giving him the benefit of the doubt because he was a highly rated lotto pick…but it just seems clear the more I see him that he lacks the very minimum ball control, touch and smoothness that one would expect of an NBA 2/3.
He’ll have plenty of opportunities to prove me wrong this year…but I will be very surprised if he emerges as a going forward building block.
by DougW on Jul 13, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewer is noticeably better than Carney. I give him credit because he’s a terrific defensive player—not because of where he was drafted. He is not a good ballhandler, but he moves extremely well without the ball, and has shown improvement on his jumpshot. There aren’t a lot of players with Brewer’s size, quickness and defensive desire. As he continues to become a serviceable offensive player, his overall impact on the game will be very positive.
by Andy G on Jul 13, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
…let’s not forget that improvement is a relative term with Brewer. His first season was so off-the-charts awful that an 11.2 PER, 43.9 eFG with modest rebounding numbers and a ho-hum turnover rate before he went down is a relative cause for excitement…especially during the dark days of Witt Ball on a terrible team. You are right that he will have to make his name with defense, rebounding, effort and transition (i.e. crap without the ball) but let’s not forget that there aren’t any ways to dress him up, even before the injury, as anything but a well below average player. I want him to work. They need him to work. This will be his make-or-break season with the club. I’m not optimistic.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 13, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be clear
Brewer clearly had on-court value last season as he had a Plus/Minus of 0.8. Considering the team was around 4-15 when he went down this is worth noting. This stands in contrast to a terrible plus/minus during his rookie season. He also shot the ball with more confidence from deep (Granted Sample Size Issues). As far as last night’s game- He moved rather well and showed off some other skills (Got to the Line, Had a Pretty-Looking Jumper, Rebounded capably). Granted- he was completely out of control at times- but you as a 4th-5th Offensive Option this stuff doesn’t worry me quite as much.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 13, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
…but he is currently so far from being a serviceable offensive player that opposing defenses can pretty much play 5 on 4. Meaning that he will negate completely shutting his man down on defense. And even defensively, I think he is fairly limited doing to his extremely small frame. It’s not just his jumper or his decision making…he’s completely out of control and a disaster waiting to happen every time he touches the ball.
by DougW on Jul 13, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I share the pessimism on Brewer
It’s not just the shooting, or ball handling. Those things are terrible, and a huge problem, but I agree that Doug has put his finger on it. There just seems to be such a lack of coordination and body control that is required for an NBA wing player.
I have trouble envisioning Brewer as a good player.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 13, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to make realistic remarks about these guys. I know that Brewer’s offense has been bad so far, but I also notice that he moves well without the ball and has improved his shot since he entered the league. I also notice that he has shown the ability to stay in front of the league’s most athletic players, including LBJ, in his rookie year, nonetheless. Doug’s hyperbolic comments are impossible to reply to, so I’ll probably just end this conversation, here.
by Andy G on Jul 13, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm working on...
…a series of posts about what we can look for from each player this year. I think Brewer’s will be the most interesting. I’m not sure Doug is really over the top on this one. David Thorpe had some fairly similar things to say about Brewer on his Twitter page yesterday. That being said, and in the interest of figuring out what we can do going forward, what will everyone be looking for from Brewer this year? What will make for a successful season from him?
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 13, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would like to see from Brewer
- Excel at on the Ball D
- Play passing lanes and create turnovers (has shown instincts for this)
- Run with Flynn (and hopefully Rubio) in transition/off misses
- Hit respectable % of corner 3’s
by Punisher#8 on Jul 13, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really didn’t think that I was being “hyperbolic” either. That certainly wasn’t my intention. I guess I just feel like it is easier to admit the truth in what I see in Brewer now that we are officially in “fresh start” mode.
I wasn’t expecting him to dominate in his first game back. But this is summer league. He’s older, more experienced, and supposedly a dominate talent relative to most of the scrubs out there. Rust or not, I would have expected him to separate himself in some way….and he just didn’t.
Same old, out of control, missing easy shots and just looking generally sloppy game.
I’ll go with Punisher’s “what I’d like to sees” those sound reasonable, and I’d add develop some ball handling ability.
by DougW on Jul 13, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's too much to ask
I like Punisher’s list. My hope with the ballhandling, frankly, is that he just doesn’t try to do it, thereby limiting the turnovers.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 13, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not really sure who is the better player of the two, but I think it is an interesting comparison because they do have some similarities. I also think that had we acquired Brewer for peanuts (like Carney) rather than a #7 pick that his list of defenders would be a lot shorter.
by DougW on Jul 13, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're Similar except
1. Brewer’s much longer
2. A vastly better Defender
3. Brewer’s 2 years younger
4. Brewer’s a better rebounder
5. Brewer’s a better passer
6. The Wolves were 5.0 Pts Per 48 Better with Brewer on the court.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 13, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed that the first game back was rather awful.
Honestly, I don’t expect all that much from Brewer. However, I want to hold off a bit to see if any of that first game was due to, “Oh My Goodness! I CAN play ball again!” Brewer is a guy who can’t play excited, at least not at this stage of his ‘development’. That was a young man that was very excited to be back on the court.
That being said, I’m afraid that missing most of last year will have put him back to his rookie year status. The Wolves need so much more from him this year… or hope to pick up a couple serviceable wings before the season starts.
by Krotz the Wall on Jul 13, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as Brewer being awful
4-11 from the Field (Not Good)- A lot of this was due to poor shot selection
6-6 from the Line (Excellent)
5 Rebounds in 18 Minutes (Quite Solid for a wing)
1 Turnover, 1 Assist
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 13, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talking a stat line awful...
That has as much to do with quality of competition as anything else. I meant in watching how Brewer comported himself on the court. He just looked bad out there. He was still one of the most experienced and skilled players out there. I am quietly saying that I expect to see a more composed and a somewhat smoother Brewer in subsequent appearances.
by Krotz the Wall on Jul 13, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Composed" would be a big step up
Rust or no, Brewer was out of control last year in summer league too. He’s going 110 miles an hour out there, and he’s out of control, and that’s not a short-term phenomenon.
Given his history back into college, I’m not sure we’re ever going to see even an adequate offensive player in him — but if he could play under just a measure of control we’d have a shot.
by feral on Jul 13, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way you typed that tells us something
‘Development’ should not be in tongue-in-cheek marks, there, at this stage in Corey’s ‘career.’
If I could find someone to bite on him, I’d trade the kid. He’s a great guy, but his chances of panning out are not great.
by feral on Jul 13, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...
Thorpe specifically said that Brewer without the ball is much better than Brewer with the ball.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 13, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carney-
Carney has very little in terms of ball-handling skills, passing skills, or defensive skills. Shooting 35% from deep and dunks don’t make an NBA player. Andy’s dead-on with his observations regarding Brewer.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 13, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd think by now we'd have learned
that we should not have faith in any Kevin McHale draft pick.
I think that what was obvious from this first summer league game is that Corey Brewer is not a natural NBA player. His off the ball movement and spacings were poor, his shot as ungainly as ever, and his decisions with the ball just terrible. He’s really an Ugly Duckling out there — and somehow, I just don’t see him turning into a swan before the Wolves have to dump him.
by levi_mn on Jul 13, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The interesting thing about him...
…is that he really was the glue at Florida and if he’s going to work at the NBA level, it will be between the lines, so to speak. I’m not optimistic about him putting it all together but if he does, it will be an interesting subject to figure out how he did it.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 13, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed, it will be an interesting study. I’ve never seen anyone quite like Corey.
by levi_mn on Jul 14, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any McHale draft pick?
Levin-mn, does that mean KG isn’t a hall of famer? Does that mean K-Love should be trade immediately? Both are McHale picks.
With regards to Brewer, it was one game after a very, very long lay-off. I understand the propensity of our culture to fall in love with hyperbole, but this is ridiculous. Should we jettison him, then? Quick, maybe we can trade him to Golden State for Belinelli. He kills it in summer league.
Even if we tried to trade Brewer, he’s not worth anything right now, so sit tight back and watch him try to work his way back after blowing out his knee. And whoever said that it’s like 5-on-4 out there with Brewer is ridiculous. ONE GAME.
by BDavige on Jul 13, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
does one lucky HOF pick wipe away all Ndudi?
And I do mean lucky. If it was skill, McHale would have drafted Kobe.
by levi_mn on Jul 13, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing about Brewer
Should he put Lebron James on the Bench? No
At the same time- What makes him have less on-Court value than Randy Foye. Brewer’s a vastly superior defender, and rebounder. Where as Foye jacked up a lot of shots with 4 PCT points more of efficency. I think it’s fair to wonder if Brewer has less value considering the plus/minus differential.
The same time of argument could easily apply to Ryan Gomes. Brewer’s a Better Rebounder as 2/3 than Gomes as 3/4 . Brewer’s also a better defender/passer than Gomes.
My main point is that players can have quite a bit of value apart from scoring. Brewer seems to potentially fall in this category.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 13, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The thing I’ve seen with Brewer in the Summer League games is he appears to be more aggressive offensively than what he’ll realistically be asked to do when the real games start. That often times leads to awkward shots and out-of-control drives. So although he lacks good feel for the game when he puts the ball on the floor, he generally has great feel for the game otherwise. He is a very solid passer, rebounder, and defender.
To answer SnP’s question above, I think a successful season for Brewer entails first and foremost being an elite defender of 2-guards. I’m convinced he’s better suited to guard 2’s than 3’s. His length is more of an advantage against 2’s and his weight is less of a disadvantage. Second, I would like him to consistently knock down the open jumper. That’s it. I already know he is a good passer and rebounder, so if he can just do those two other things, I’ll deem his season as a success. I have no visions of grandeur as it relates to being an elite slasher to the hoop. I agree that he just doesn’t have the handles or body control to excel in this regard.
by Rascal Flatts on Jul 13, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd only add...
Figure in transition offense. Transition scoring is one of Brewer’s best chances to take part in the offensive end.
by Krotz the Wall on Jul 13, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Brewer is doing exactly what he did last summer – trying to expands his game by attempting to be a primary scoring option. When the season starts, he will go back to a roll that emphasizes his defense, passing, ability to run the floor and hit the occasional shot. Maybe even gain a little confidence to create for himself every so often.
by Just A Fan on Jul 13, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rookie PG
Too early to say anything about Flynns performance yet. With the exception of Darren Collison all the 1st round PG’s had subpar debuts, but then they all blew up and amazed with their second appearance.
by WhaHuh on Jul 13, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow you guys sound like rubechat. it was his first 5 on 5 since his knee injury. holy crap. I was impressed. being someone who rehab and remembering my first couple games I can relate to him. snp call me brewers biggest supporter and I will save seats on his bandwagon for the knee jerk posters.
by revprodeji on Jul 13, 2009 2:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Like David Thorpe?
;)
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 13, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewer is a tragedy in waiting when he has the ball. But an action thriller when he does not.
I don’t know; I read that as one part criticism and one part praise.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 13, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. in summer league brewer is working out kinks and jacking shots he normally would not take. put him in a real line up as the 4 or 5 option and he will be fine. disrupting on def running the floor on offense and spacing. his catch and shoot is improving. his passing is nice. his length and energy will be a positive. poor kid has only had wittman as an nba coach.
by revprodeji on Jul 14, 2009 8:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

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