Trading with the Atlanta Hawks
by PoorDick on Jul 2, 2009 11:56 AM CDT
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Once the Bucks and Bulls were deemed to be ideal potential trading partners for the Wolves, in that they were in the East, and in a different spot in the rebuilding process than the Wolves are/were. Now it may be the Atlanta Hawks who are an ideal trading partner, for the same reasons. Can you make a trade that helps both teams, and is agreeable for each one as well?
The Wolves have:
- The first pieces in place to begin rebuilding
- A strong need at the 2 and the 3
- Up to three first round picks next year
- Tradeable contracts of Bassy, Etan Thomas, B Cardinal, Rhino, Pecherov, Madsen, and Brewer
- Attractive big men in Kevin Love and Al Jefferson
- A potential surplus of young "true" point guards in Bassy, Flynn, and (potentially) Rubio
- A surplus of PFs
- The rights to Pekovich
The Hawks have:
- A need to keep up with Cleveland, Detroit, and Boston's potential improvement in the East
- Marvin Williams as a restricted free agent
- The possible need to replace free agent PG Mike Bibby
- The rights to Josh Childress, who is apparently in Milwaukee right now
- Potential point guards Jamal Crawford and draftee Jeff Teague (for better or worse)
- The potential need to extend Al Horford, and make a decision on Joe Johnson
- Josh Smith, and his eight-figure annual salary
What deals can you make out of these potential assets?
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I've been thinking
It seems like they aren’t going to resign Bibby, which makes some sense—he’s exactly the kind of player who winds up overpaid. Not sure what they wanted in Crawford, who doesn’t seem like a winning player to me.
The problem as I see it is that their major needs seem to be a point guard to help them continue to win now, and maybe a center so you can use Horford at the 4 more and Williams can play the 3-4, Johnson play the 2-3. I’m assuming Marvin returns.
I would love to get Childress in a sign and trade, I think he fits the Wolves profile very well. However, in that type of deal, expirings are of no value, since the Hawks could save the money by just not signing him at all. I don’t know why they would want Flynn, really, and we don’t have a center for them.
I don’t see a fit, unfortunately.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Had they not drafted Teague...
….I think there would have been a fit. Otherwise, I don’t think the Wolves have anything they want/need. I do think they’d spring Smith for the right offer but I’m not sure the Wolves have it or that they’d want that salary right now.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 2, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about
Flynn and the rights to Pekovich for Teague and the rights to Childress?
It gives the Hawks:
1. A better distributor at the point
2. A better compliment at PG if/when Crawford plays SG
3. A better PG
4. A future scoring big man to compliment Horford
It gives the Wolves
1. A clear pecking order in the hierarchy at PG
2. Access to a quality starting SG at a relatively reasonable price (depending on what it takes to sign him)
3. A scoring PG off the bench in Teague (allowing Brewer to play the 2?)
Obviously this couldn’t be accomplished withouth resolving the Rubio issue, but it seems that if Ricky’s on the team, Childress would be a nice piece to add.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jul 2, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't see it for the Hawks
and there would have to be some salary going out from the Wolves end. That’s the real problem. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind upgrading from Teague to Flynn, but they would have to take some salary back to match the Childress deal.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
but we do have some Back Up Up Front Beef with expiring contracts . . .
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jul 2, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to do it
but the expirings aren’t really useful in this situation, because Atlanta isn’t on the hook for any salary. Childress can and probably will just sign elsewhere. Why owe $6 million for this year when you can owe nothing? I don’t think Teague to Flynn is worth that. Maybe a pick would help grease the wheels, but then all of a sudden, really? Is it worth Flynn and a decent pick just for the chance to pay Josh Childress market value?
Speaking of which, what IS Childress’ market value? It would have to be more than the MLE in this scenario, because if it isn’t, someone will just sign him for that, i would think.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I phrased my response poorly
I should have called the contracts of the burly dozen or so PFs on the roster “reasonable.” Atlanta is thin up front, especially if they don’t bring back Pachulia.
But Childress can’t just be signed for anything, right? I mean, won’t Atlanta have to give up his rights? Or if they refuse to match, will they give up Childress with no compensation?
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jul 2, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, if they refuse to match
they give him up with no compensation. Restricted FAs can solicit offers from anyone, and then the original team has the right to match or not. If they don’t, they get nothing.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, in theory
if I’m Atlanta and somebody offers Childress an offer he would accept, wouldn’t it be in Atlanta’s best interest to pretend that they’ll match the offer, so that they could get something in return?
Also, both Ford and Hollinger are alluding that Atlanta might still be interested in a point guard (a la Felton or Jarrett Jack, albeit both of whom are veterans).
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by PoorDick on Jul 2, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you can't "pretend"
you can try to work a sign and trade. A couple of issues:
1, Often, for the original team, there’s more value in getting the cap space than in what you could get back. I mean, better to have cap space or Brian Cardinal?
2. It’s tough also because usually, not all 3 interests align. The player wants maximum value. The acquiring club might be willing to pay market value, but isn’t willing to also give something up, unless they can just dump salary, which
3. the original team doesn’t want—they want something they like, or they want to not pay the salary.
Childress is an interesting case, because he went overseas last year. Atlanta had the benefit of retaining his rights without paying him, though they also didn’t have his services. Who knows what they want to do? I think they should keep him, but that doesn’t look like it’s in the cards.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about saving on payroll?
As a fan, I am not big on deals just to save Glen Taylor & Co. money. However, looking at Atlanta I don’t think much can get done other than using Atlanta’s cap space and “win today” mentality to send a player to Atlanta and save cash (maybe get a protected late 1st rounder or 2nd rounder).
If Atlanta wants to get rid of Childress somebody else will probably offer more this year than the Wolves (I continue to believe they have no desire to improve next season at the risk of losing Cole Aldrich). If Atlanta gives up anything else I think they just stay in neutral.
Atlanta needs help up front; I offer Songaila or Cardinal and maybe throw in Craig Smith and hopefully Atlanta takes away the contract/s and throws in a 2nd rounder. I like Craig Smith but he may not get much playing time this year if the Wolves stay so deep at PF. By the way, if they took Songaila it would make last weeks trade look even better by getting rid of the contract. A lot of Wizard followers seemed to think Songaila was the most valuable player they lost (before Rubio fell to #5).
by Rumblebee on Jul 2, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know who IS big on deals just to save Glen Taylor & Co. money?
Glen Taylor & Co.
So your response has some merit.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
by PoorDick on Jul 2, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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