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The Los Angeles Clippers have reached an agreement in principle to trade guard Quentin Richardson to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Sebastian Telfair, Mark Madsen and Craig Smith, leagues sources said Monday.

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Q-Rich

Wow. Another expiring contract.

Frees up roster space too.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 20, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

An acceptable trade, that is.

Q can score and adds size to the 2/3 position.

by BVP on Jul 20, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

holy shiz-nit

whoa. I guess the Clippers want Bassy to back up Davis. Goodbye Mark Madsen! It’s too bad the last line of the trade wasn’t: and the Clippers returned the Twolves top 10 protected first round pick.

I will miss Bassy. I hope the dude explodes into a legit finisher and shooter in LA.

by littleboxes on Jul 20, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, if what Eric says is true then it’s a pretty practical move.

That said, I’m gonna miss the all-beef Craig Smith Sandwich dropping in floaters and taking guys off the dribble like a SF.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Jul 20, 2009 2:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was never fond of the Rhino.

He took far too many minutes away from Love. Plus, we needed desperately to clear out our logjam of 4s.

by BVP on Jul 20, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rhino gave up every point he made

He was a likeable, and recognizable, player, but the guy’s defensive problems made him a Gary Trent bench player at his best. The minutes we spent with him in the starting lineup under McHale caused my teeth to be sore.

by feral on Jul 20, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll never be a starter

But he’s proven himself more than worthy of consistent backup’s minutes.

His situation went from bad to worse with the Washington trade. I’m happy for him to have the opportunity to be one of 2 PFs instead of 8, playing in his home town.

by John Doe on Jul 20, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love this deal

Gives us a shooting guard who can also play SF and gets rid of two of the many forwards we have on roster

by TonyO on Jul 20, 2009 2:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Rubio?

Do you think they’re more confident about Rubio coming over? They wouldn’t go into the season with Bobby Brown as the backup PG would they?

by mjfan02 on Jul 20, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this indicates that the Wolves think they're likely to get him over

But should he not, there’s still plenty of space for the Wolves to operate. They only have 12 guys under contract without Rubio. They could go pick up Anthony Carter, whose always had a very good PPR. Hell, even if they get Rubio I think they should buyout Brown and sign Carter to a one year deal.

by McCleak on Jul 20, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

There’s CJ Watson, who can shoot pretty well for a point guard. Can also defend it well enough, if adj +/- and +/- are correct.

by McCleak on Jul 20, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Denver fans would be huge Wolves fans for the day if they signed Anthony Carter.

I do think AC is a good backup PG, but he doesn’t get a lot of love from Nuggets Nation.

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by Nate Timmons on Jul 20, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but not enough to be considered statistically significant

It could have been simple dumb luck…

Actually, this is all his shots, not just his jumper:

http://www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/contingency2.cfm

……………….Misses…. .Makes…. ..Total
1990-2007…..997………..707………1704…….0.414
2008-2009…..477………..384………..861…….0.445
Total…………1474………1091……..2565

Fisher’s exact test
  The two-tailed P value equals 0.1389

  The association between rows (groups) and columns (outcomes)
   is considered to be not statistically significant.

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Brown gets bought out

regardless of whether Rubio comes over this year or not.

We just freed up two roster spaces, which means he’s no longer a burden. We’re not trying to win now, so we don’t need to upgrade Brown to Carter or Watson.

I think the season’s depth chart reads either
Flynn/Watson/Brown
or Rubio/Flynn/Brown

by John Doe on Jul 20, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'd buy out Brown if they want

If they want to add a veteran PG presence to help the transition of two young PGs.

by Krotz the Wall on Jul 20, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AC left here with a cloud over his head

Back in the day I said the Wolves should have started AC at the point for his defensive play. He left the franchise originally after he had a DUI incident. Not sure if Uncle Glen would look favorably on his returning….

(And, good news part, I’m not sure it matters what Glen thinks about individual personnel decisions at the moment. Woot!)

by feral on Jul 20, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Madsen Letter!

What if Mark Madsen’s letter was crucial to getting Rubio in MN and now it’s all lost. NOOOOO!

by littleboxes on Jul 20, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Saves Telfair's

salary for 2010-11, though if this is it, it adds to the payroll this year by $1.5 million or so,

I hope Bassy gets good run as Davis’ backup—he probably needed to go. They will probably buy out/waive Madsen.

Richardson isn’t actually very good. He’s a volume 3 shooter with marginal percentages and does very little else. He does fulfill a need—as a guy who we know can actually play shooting guard in the NBA. He’s clearly not a longterm guy here though.

He isn’t just Quentin Richardson—he’s also Quentin Richardson’s Expiring Contract.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 20, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't it a lock Telfair was going to opt out?

I mean, he could’ve made more than $2.7m alot of places (including NYC).

For me, it depends on what Kahn does with Q-Rich. As QREC, he has alot of value (consolodation for teams with less roster space) than someone like Madsen, but I see Smith and Bassy as assets.

by dprodigy19 on Jul 20, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure Bassy would have opted out

may have, but now it’s not the Wolves problem.

Nice job by the Clips turning Z-Bo’s brutal $33 million over two into $7.8 million this year and potentially $2.7 million next.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 20, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Sterling it's all about the money

He’s been milking the NBA cash cow for decades. What is amazing to me is that it seems that they actually have fans (at least “two” allows use of the plural, right?).

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy Crystal

and Penny Marshall. That’s it.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jul 20, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullshit, there's that one loud guy with the Clippers suit.

One half blue, one half red. With a fully decked Clippers ride as well.

So it’s three.

I hate Pod Six. I don't even know why we have a Pod Six. Total suck pod.

by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jul 20, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think Telfair was a hot commodity?

The 2010 free agent class, under economic pressures but (in theory, in prospect) loaded up with much larger names, was poised to undervalue Bassy if anything. He’s a second-string point, no starter.

Under the circumstances I’d have put down a small amount of money that Sebastian would wait a year to test the market under calmer circumstances.

by feral on Jul 20, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not now, not then

Bassy had barely proven himself on a bad team. We’re not talking about an elite here.

There were so many PGs in this year’s draft, pretty much everyone who wanted one got one — except for the Clips who took Griffin. And after next year, those guys will have experience. If you like veterans — there’s still a bunch of free agents out there whose names you’ll recognize.

As Kahn mentioned, the Clipps were likely sniffing around some other options.

So from both Sebastian and Kahn’s viewpoint, Sebastian’s value is highest right now with the Clippers. Nobody else on the horizon.

What worries me is that the Wolves (ostensibly) only had a couple of days to consider Q-RIch and do their “due diligence”. I think it is imperative for the Wolves to avoid bad apples in the locker room.

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Wolves get money in the trade?

The original QRICH trade from the Knicks to Memphis included cash to Memphis due to difference in salary between QRICH and Mlicic. Has anyone heard if that cash was forwarded to LA and then to MN to make up for him being overpaid?

by Rumblebee on Jul 20, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

roster now

PG - Rubio/Flynn/Brown
SG - Q/Duke/
SF - Brew/Gomes/Big Oil
PF - Al/Love/Songaila/Cardinal
C - Thomas/

by majinman on Jul 20, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love’s going to start at the 4 and Jefferson at the 5. Also, I’m pretty sure Big Oil plays at the 4.

by McCleak on Jul 20, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith is going to the Clippers to teach Griffin how to run over guys that try to “take the charge”. I am going to miss the Rhino.

by Dave T on Jul 20, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup. He didn’t really fit here, but he was a blast to watch. Very unique player, that guy. If Blake Griffin ever learns the patented Craig Smith running quasi-baby hook/floater hybrid-thingy, he’s going to be a monster.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Jul 20, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing to get excited about.

All they did was balance the roster. Hilariously, the team that just sent out Zach Randolph to clear front court space brought in two more bigs. Well played, LA.

I can’t get on board the Richardson train too much. Considering his falloff the last two years, I’d be shocked if he isn’t backing up Ellington by the end of the season.

That said, he’s now on his fourth team in a month. Is that some sort of record?

by McCleak on Jul 20, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I find roster balancing exciting.

Now I can almost play as the Wolves in 2k9.

I hate Pod Six. I don't even know why we have a Pod Six. Total suck pod.

by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jul 20, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong

The Wolves definitely needed to do something like this, and Khan did well in not taking back extra contract years. I just don’t think it’s a world beater.

by McCleak on Jul 20, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my guess...

….is that this is the result of sterling wanting a.i.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 20, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it wasn't LAC

that would be mind-boggling by itself.

by Krotz the Wall on Jul 20, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Richardson's value

is purely as an expiring contract. Although Toasting and Posting does speak quite highly of him as far as Character goes.

McCleak and Eric hit this nail on the head.

by Jose Cordoba on Jul 20, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We're sending out 3 quality guys

I think that this is being lost in all the talk of roster balance and expirings. Telfair, Smith, and Madsen all played hard here, were good teammates, and signed to reasonable extensions (well, not Madsen, but his is expiring). I’m sad to see them go.

On the other hand, they deserved better. Telfair and Smith will be the unquestioned backups for LAC, but they won’t have to worry about getting pushed to third on the depth chart. Madsen was happy here, but he’s going back home to the Staples Center.

It’s not a bad trade, but it does make me a little sad.

by John Doe on Jul 20, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sad? Yes.

And a bit mystifying. Richardson becomes the 2nd highest paid Timberwolf. A larger contract like his makes it harder to tailor a salary match in trades down the road.

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Poor Dick's Dream

of Luol Deng in Black and Blue can finally be a reality.

by Jose Cordoba on Jul 20, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking Gerald Wallace

Not for Q-Rich alone, of course, but as a piece.

by dprodigy19 on Jul 20, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't call it a "dream"

more of a “possibility”—and only as part of having to take Kirk’s contract on, and getting Noah back.

But yes, Deng still seems young enough and overpaid enough to be both available and interesting.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jul 20, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as fit goes

Deng’s nice- but the contract and injuries really make me nervous.

by Jose Cordoba on Jul 20, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rumor had it deng is closer to 29. which really hurt his trade value

by revprodeji on Jul 20, 2009 3:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The flip side is that consolidating 3 guys contracts into one could make it easier if the team we move him to is short on roster space.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Jul 20, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on!

Madsen adds zero (0!) on the court. Nothing! He failed to reach double figures in scoring last year. Not for anyone game, for the whole season! Second year in a row!

Telfair is a decent backup, but didn’t we just draft two point guards? (Rubio is coming!)

Smith is a decent role player, but our best two players currently under contract play his position and he’s undersized and can’t defend.

I like the move.

Pining for a Troy Hudson/Marko Jaric backcourt.

by SBG on Jul 20, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it, too

from a purely analytical standpoint.

But part of being a fan is liking the players on your team. I would have liked to have kept Madsen around, obviously not for his contributions on the court, but for his leadership, chivalry, Spanish speaking, etc. Bassy and Rhino could have been long-time Timberwolves if not for the circumstances.

by John Doe on Jul 20, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Madsen as Mentor to Ricky

seems like a great role for Mark — too bad, opportunity lost.

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a way, I agree...

But when it comes down to it, it’s like the old Seinfeld joke - you’re just rooting for the laundry. I’d have a problem rooting for someone convicted of a felony, but beyond that, it’s more about how they play. Smith/Telfair/Madsen are generally good guys, which is nice, but I also feel good that the team did them right with this deal and made a deal that can help them by balancing the roster and clearing a bit of salary from the ’10’11 payroll.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 20, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Formatting error. None of that is supposed to be struck through.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 20, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a good one..

….if only for turning 4 expirings worth about $19 mil into 3 expirings worth about $23. They also reduce the roster by 2 spaces. With those two things in mind, it’s a very good move.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 20, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad move...

roster space and swapping of expiring contracts. It also adds a body in an area of need.

by Krotz the Wall on Jul 20, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

adding the 2005 All-Star 3-pt Shootout Champion

can’t be all bad, can it?

But too late to have made room for Stiles.

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all bad.

Some one has to shoot 3s and Ellington can’t do that all by himself. Besides, Q can still be an attractive piece to some team looking to make a playoff run… so a movable and somewhat attractive player for trade deadline to go with that expiring.

by Krotz the Wall on Jul 20, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hidden highlights:

1. In less than six weeks, Kahn has reduced the roster down to just five players who were here on opening day last year (Brewer, Love, Cardinal, Gomes, Jefferson). I wouldn’t be shocked if there were more moves made before opening day this year.
2. If you believe John Hollinger’s PER, this trade cost the Wolves four more wins, so next year’s draft pick should be even better!
3. Disregarding Blond Ricky and Songalia, there are now exactly four players who are sure to be paid by the Wolves starting in 2010 (AlJeff, Gomes, Flynn, Ellington), and three with tiny team options (Love, Oly, and CoBrew). Even with a 14 man roster, that could mean at least seven new faces on the roster by this time next year.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jul 20, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gomes

has a team-option after this season. Actually he could be a very valuable contract around the draft next year since he could be traded then cut for raw cap space.

by Jose Cordoba on Jul 20, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the three factors

of:

1. The economy
2. All the teams with cap space
3. The Superstar Shuffle of 2010

next summer should be the most interesting offseason in NBA history.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jul 20, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comment on Hollingers trade assessment

I can’t quite figure out what he does, but I think he also factors in who else plays the same position. I made a deal with Bobby Brown that cost the Wolves two wins…huh? On a 24 win team??

Anyhow, I think if Rubio were already on the Wolves roster the minus four wins would be closer to minus one or two. I tried a few different deals with Smith and/or Madsen that resulted in one less win even though the Wolves were getting useless players in exchange.

by Rumblebee on Jul 20, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm...

I like that we cleared out some bodies and filled an area of need as well, but I think we gave up more value than we’re getting unless Q-Rich returns to form.

by TWolvesFanInLA on Jul 20, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade

Totally sweet trade. We got rid of bodies and got a decent expiring in return. None of the guys we traded is better than Richardson. I hate Smith and Telfair. And Madsen only grew on me by writing letters in Spanish to Ricky Rubio. Telfair and Smith have deals that extend beyond 2010, so this actually clears more space for us. Clips must have really liked both players, as this doesn’t make sense for them, otherwise. The Wolves don’t need 3 mediocre vets chewing into rookie minutes, so getting one servicable G/F is ideal. Plus, we have more space in 2010. Love the move.

As for Richardson, he’s totally solid. He’s 6’6’’ and has put up 15 pts 7 rebounds during his best year. He’s got good size, but isn’t exactly fast. He’s a black Mike Miller, though, he’s never shot 40% from the 3. Either way, we needed some depth at G/F and this helps. I’m just happy we got rid of 3 bodies. Telfair was okay, but Smith is so undersized. He’s totally redundant with Kevin Love on the team. If you want to sub out K Love, you’ve got to bring in someone with length.

I also like what this does for keeping Pecherov. It would be nice to see him get 10-15 a game at the 3.

Getting rid of bodies and 2010 cap space is key on this deal. Smith and Telfair had totally reasonable contracts for their production, but still, they are at best NBA role players with neither deserving more than 10 minutes a game. Maybe Telfair, but definitely not Smith or Madsen. Richardson has started for most of his career. He is going to be SWEET trade bait at the end of the year. I’m not sure we’ll get a Bosh or Wade, but we can get an awesome player with 2-3 years on his contract at the deadline if a team is giving up and rebuilding.

Kahn just fleeced another team. I love this guy.

by Mac of the MIAC on Jul 20, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You have nailed it!

grats, you said it better than I could think it. Sorry to see old friend go, but this definitely improves the team 3 different ways, and addresses my biggest worry — what are we gonna do with all those bigs & PGs?

Moving some good contributors was essential. It is actually good that we got out from under Maddog & Rhino. Bassy woulda been solid if we had not drafted 2 PGs, but hey, we did and after summer season, now I know why.

Good move by Kahn. Err, that’s Mr Kahn to me.

by timmuggs on Jul 20, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Richardson

My main hope is that he doesn’t get to many minutes. The Wolves need to evaluate the long-term futures of Rubio/Flynn together, and Brewer. So this shouldn’t open up a ton of minutes at 2 when one considers Wayne Ellington. Richardson’s value is in a nice, juicy, expiring contract near the trade deadline.

by Jose Cordoba on Jul 20, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

actually, starting Flynn with Quinn

not only rhymes but avoids having an all-rookie backcourt.

My hopes for Brewer starting at “2” were shattered in the Summer League

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can already see the headline:

______ Add Veteran Scorer For Play-Off Push

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jul 20, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and we really should

chip in to get some new jerseys for SnP’s kids—he just plunked down for Bassy’s number a few months ago. Suggestions?

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jul 20, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I suggest he wait and see

No one is sacred. No one!

by John Doe on Jul 20, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just turn an 8 sideways

although only guys like Oliver Miller and Garret Siles can wear it.

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great trade for you guys. the kahn era is off to a pretty good start, no?

ps. i am going to miss mark madsen so much. when i was a college freshman on an intramural team, my roommate and i had a mark madsen pennant that we would slap before each game for luck. we weren’t very good.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jul 20, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But your dancing skills...

… Man, I bet those were amazing.

I hate Pod Six. I don't even know why we have a Pod Six. Total suck pod.

by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Jul 20, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turning little into a lot

As a Bulls fan I’m just watching brand new hires make my management look like a bunch of amateurs.

I don’t think Richardson is very good, but his contract and expiring status it makes him a nice piece to move a heck of a lot easier than it would be to trade Telfair or Madsen alone.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jul 20, 2009 3:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

McHale. Poor Kevin McHale.

Kahn was right. Kevin couldn’t handle the changes Kahn was going to bring.

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been an hour!

We should be seeing knee-jerk follow-up trade scenarios by now! Go!

by John Doe on Jul 20, 2009 3:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let’s brainstorm! Can anyone think up some teams that fit the following criteria:

a) have somewhat young, very good but not all-world players
b) will be in bigtime financial trouble and have to either rebuild or risk being stuck in mediocrity

I wonder, for example, if there is a chance the Sixers try to make a run this year with Brand, then decide to scrap it and move Iguodala after underachieving for another year while paying tons of $$.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Jul 20, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Break out your Van Wilder DVDs...

Very excited about this trade. I won’t miss Rhino or Bassy and Q Rich is good enough for now.

by TimAllen on Jul 20, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But seriously, folks

Trading the same three guys would have matched salary with Marcus Camby.

I might have gotten excited about that, though I’m not a Camby fan.

I’m surprised a) that the Clips wanted Bassy and b) Wolves were willing to take on Q-Rich, who isn’t all that young, cheap, or productive.

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think...

Camby is in play any more because they were able to trade Randolph. Camby/Kaman/Griffin is a decent frontcourt rotation, and I’m guessing they’re hoping to push for the playoffs.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 20, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re probably right about Camby being off the table.

by levi_mn on Jul 20, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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