Kahn says we're not done. So what's next?
by Mplax on Jul 20, 2009 8:57 PM CDT
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Do we move Richardson 1 for 1? Wait for a couple months (60 days to be exact) and move him with others? Play him with our up-tempo style?
Do you think we are moving other guys completely unrelated to Richardson?
Or by us not being done does he mean that with the 2 spots he just opened he plans on signing someone? Maybe Carney?
What do you think? Any ideas about what Kahn has planned next? I for one am at a loss.
Ideas people! Give us some ideas!
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Really, I'm not sure if anybody knows what he means...
I’m not sure that David Kahn even knows what he’s doing or what he’s going to do.
thoughts
given the fact that he currenly has only 2 point guards on the roster i think this means that they are vey confident that ricky will be over here this year. This would give them 3 points, plus flynn will play at the 2 as well. I bet priority one is to get ricky, 2 is to get the coach and 3 is to make any additional moves they might need. Richardson does clearly fill a need so I’m inclined to think they will keep him and his expiring contract
Are you counting Bobby Brown as a PG?
I hope we don’t have to see too much of him this year… Personally I am leaning towards Ricky coming here too, but I think Kahn also saw an opportunity to get rid of Telfair, seeing him as an easily replaceable guy for less money now that he already has 2 young PGs who can handle some big minutes. I still maintain that he underestimated what Craig Smith brought to the team in terms of comraderie.
This is fun!
If McHale said we’re not done, I’d get really scared, but I’m really excited to see what Kahn will do next
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. ~Homer Simpson
by thewild_viking_twins on Jul 21, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions
If McHale said we're not done
I would tell him “Of course we are, it’s May and you’re our GM!”
Idle thought
Caveat 1: This is a lopsided pipe-dream, so enjoy it for what it’s worth
Caveat 2: This trade is dependent on the Bobcats either losing lots of money or completely tanking next year.
Trade: Q.Rich and Bobcat’s 1st rounder from Lawson trade to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace.
Salaries match. Helps our needs. Can we get McHale to run the Bobcats for a week so this gets done?
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Not YET...but
don’t be surprised if this is a trade deadline possibility. First goal is a top 5 pick to make one last stab at a #1 player. If the record is bad enough at the deadline to ensure a top-5 pick and Charlotte is out of playoff contention this is a real possibility.
What's next...
Kahn finds himself with a warchest of assets in the form of expiring contracts, 2010 draft picks, and the rights to the best European PG and C prospects in Rubio and Pekovic. At some point, he’s going to have to make a move to get a proven big-time player on this roster (like Gerald Wallace as mentioned by biggity2bit) and can’t rely on building purely through drafting teenagers and 20-year olds. I guess my question is does that trigger get pulled this offseason, just prior to the trade deadline, or next offseason?
I’m going with KGMN’s initial thought on this which is that Kahn is going to play it by ear. Certainly other teams know that we have a ton of assets to offer and Kahn will continue to stay in touch with all of them, with a distinct interest in two types of players: 1) A do-it-all wing and 2) A long, defensive oriented big man, both of which need to be age 27 or less. My guess is him and his staff have already made a list of existing players that fit both of these profiles and will constantly be assessing and re-assessing that list and what it might take to land one of them. When the right deal comes along, they’ll jump on it. I suspect he’ll keep his powder dry if necessary this offseason if the right deal doesn’t come along, knowing that new opportunities will present themselves just prior to the trade deadline.
I would have to think that that list includes
A few wings from GS. They have like 5 SFs right now and only 1 or 2 PFs if you count Jackson. If we could grab Wright and Belinelli without giving up anything except expirings for a 2 or 3 year contract I would possibly do that if the contract wasn’t too bad. I said in my “You’re the GM thread” that I would be willing to take on Maggette’s contract if and only if we get Randolph and Belinelli in return. Belinelli is cheap since he is in the doghouse and redundant with Curry now. Randolph will come at a price however and I think part of that might be expiring PFs or Gomes’ cheaper contract (he is a versatile player who would fit well in Nellie Ball) plus maybe Utah’s future first. This is contingent on GS admitting that Maggette’s contract is hard to move and not pulling a McHale and waiting around trying to justify it. They will want to be players in FA next year and the year after and Maggette is severely hindering them.
Who else do you think is on that list?
re: Gomes
Isn’t Gomes a funny case? Not good enough to keep, but just good enough to be perennial trade bait.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Ryan is an excellent team player
but not the kind of guy who can go get it on his own against the top level players.
Unfortunately for him, he hasn’t been on an excellent team. I don’t think playing with Al (“Black Hole II”) Jefferson all through his career really helps his numbers, either.
But I do I think that he’s a BIG upgrade from Wally Szczerbiak — no matter what the stats say.
Like Telfair, I’d hate to see him go but there are other players out there. But I don’t think the Wolves should spend a lot of effort looking for an upgrade at SF.
A true 6’11"+ center would be my target for the bulk of the Wolves trade assets. But heck, that’s always my target, because — simply – championship contending teams have them, pretenders don’t.
Big Al is a PF/C
And neither a combo nor a tweener. He is either one depending on who the PF and C are on the other team. He is a center when he would have to guard guys like KG, Dirk, and other guys who are mobile and can hit a jumper or put the ball on the floor to get to the hoop. He is a PF when the other center is Brad Miller, Okur, etc.
Basically, Al is not the most mobile of guys on defense. So I dont necessarily think that we need a C, nor do I think we need another PF. But in this next years draft (a lot of big men if they all declare), if we don’t take Evan Turner, I would look seriously into taking a PF OR a C as long as they are more in the mold of Amare/KG body and mobility than Big Al. Then we can play both Big Al and said draft pick as 4s or 5s to complement each other based on which player on the other team is more and less active. Love and Jefferson still start most games when we are playing teams who don’t have an extremely mobile big man (Spurs, Denver, Detroit, etc). But as far as Al goes, he is neither a 4 nor a 5 and he is both a 4 and a 5. It ALL depends on the matchup on any given night.
Jefferson's flexibility?
It seems to me like Jefferson just isn’t very adept at moving between roles. I’d actually rate his “basketball IQ” as being fairly low — certainly not in Kevin Love’s class. Matching him up with the right coach and front court “partners” will be paramount in his continued development.
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see who gets Kahn-ed next. Top level NBA big men are always in short supply, the demand is always high.
Flexible? Absolutely not
He can guard whichever PF or C on the team is slower…. thats about it. Not versatility or flexibility there at all.
As opposed to our 6'10 Center with a 9'2 Standing Reach who makes his living on the low-block.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 21, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
barefoot, Al Jefferson is 6' 8.5" tall
and while I’m flogging this horse, Kevin Love is 6’7.5" w/standing reach 8’10".
I think you’ve said that size is only a number, but it really does matter in the paint. Show me any “Championship Contenders” (say Conference Finalists) in the last 20 years who started a center and pf combo as short as Jefferson and Love.
Barefoot heights…
Tim Duncan: 6’ 11"
Greg Oden: 6’ 11"
Undocumented…
Mehmet Okur: 6’ 11"
Nenad Krstic: 6’ 11" (roster says 7’)
Nene Hilario: 6’ 11"
Andrew Bynum: 7’
Pau Gasol: 7’
Erick Dampier: 6’11"
Dirk Nowitzki: 6’11"
Considering Al plays Barefoot often
You got me. Besides Standing Reach is probably more important than height- Where as Al is middle of the pack for a center. He’s also a solid shot-blocker for a Center. Where his defense is lacking is ability make to proper rotations and lateral quickness. These issues aren’t going to get solved moving him to the 4.
As far as height being number- what I tend to emphaize is complementary skill-sets. If you have a player like Jefferson who makes his living inside on Offense- you need to compliment him with someone who can play in the post on the top of the key. You need someone that has passing skills and off-ball rebounding skills. You can’t compliment Al with someone needing to be on the low-block. For example- A Al-Shaq combo would be a poor idea.
As far as not contending with such a Front-Court. Houston split with the Lakers the last 4 games relying on a Chuck Hayes-Luis Scola- Carl Landry Front Court. They also had a Twenty-Plus game win streak without Yao-Last year (Albeit playing Dikembe limited minutes). It would also be hard to argue that Chuck Hayes isn’t a very good defender at 6’6 as a Center. The reason being he does a wonderful job of maintaining position- which can be equally as effective as length.
I would also say how many teams combined an “Elite Post-Scorer with an Elite Rebounder” in the Skill-Set of Love/Jefferson’s projection 2-3 years down the road? I’ll grant you this pairing isn’t conventional- but considering where the rest of the roster is know we’re in no position to make final judgements to its effectiveness.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 21, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice job recalling Chuck Hayes.
And I’m definitely with you on how good teams blend complementary skill sets. Watching the development of a team is what has always attracted me to the NBA, as compared to the yearly changing of the rosters of college ball.
I think Jose Cordoba and I are in 100% agreement here
Shaq and Al could never work on defense cuz neither of them can guard KGs and Dirks and Brad Millers. This is the same reason I think we need to draft a guy who is more mobile and hopefully above 6’9’’ no matter what position they are playing PF or C. Derrick Favors if we draft high or Demarcus Cousins if we are a little lower (of course that could change through the year and both could go high or both could go lower) look like good fits. Another good fit… Kevin Garnett. I hear he is pretty good.
Shaq/Al would be a poor fit on both sides of the court
I’ve developed an intrigue with Favors. He’d probably in fact be my Number 1 get for next year. He’s the total package as a 4/5 of what this team needs: Rebounding, Atheleticism, and Defense along with the potential to develop on Offense. I’ve heard upside comps of A Defensive/Rebounding Capable Amare, Dwight Howard, or Josh Smith. Favors could be a Number 1 on a Championship team. He’d be an awesome fit in a Run/Gun Style with Kevin Love, Rubio, Flynn, and Small Forward TBD.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 21, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Kevin Love, Rubio, Flynn, and SF TBD
But not Al?
Centers and championships/playoffs
I posted this elsewhere a while back, but while there is a correlation between teams with top 10 production from the center position and playoff appearances/championships, being top 10 at the 5 position doesn’t appear to be the sole determining factor. The Twolves ranked #7 for the last two years at production from the 5 (courtesy of 82games), so center isn’t the issue. It’s the fact that we ranked no higher than 22 or 24 at every position that’s at issue. All the championship teams I looked at had at least one other position they ranked in the top 10 at, most frequently PG or SF, and sometimes they had multiple positions in the top 10.
The point is Shaq doesn’t win championships without Kobe or Wade. Kobe doesn’t win without Shaq or Pau. Duncan doesn’t win without Parker and Manu. KG doesn’t win without Pierce and Allen. Rasheed Wallace doesn’t win without Chauncey, Rip, and Tashaun.
Even applies to the almosts: Howard doesn’t get to the Finals without Hedo, Lewis, and Nelson. Lebron has Ilgauskus and Varejao. Chicago pairs Rose and Salmons with Noah. Yao had Artest and Tracy, and then a bunch of other guys.
My point is that your basic argument that teams need dominant big play is correct, but incomplete. None of those bigs carried their teams on their own to a championship (see: KG before Cassell and Spree, and even including Cassell and Spree). And I don’t think that’s what you’re saying, either. But I do think that the production of Al and Love at the 5 is being undervalued to a degree because they aren’t “typical” centers with some very specific shortcomings. What I most care about in this comment is that, in my opinion, what needs to be addressed much more urgently than getting another dominant big is improving the rest of the starting cast, as I think we ranked 30th in SG and SF production the last two years. That’s just awful, and improving that will improve our win total and championship contention odds far more than adding a Greg Oden type.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jul 22, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
What about
Getting Brandon Wright instead of Randolph? To use one of Maynholup’s favorite expressions, ‘that dude is thowed.’ I should point out that this is if he plays SF as listed and not PF. How do we get it done?
Trade Q, Pekovic, and cash to Warriors for Wright and Maggette.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
My only problem with that is
I dont think Wright will be as good as Randolph, and if we have to take on Maggette’s contract I dont want to do it without Randolph in return. I feel as if a deal could be made for Wright and/or Azubuike without Maggette just because they are so loaded at the 3 spot. Apart from Songaila and Gomes we don’t really have any long term deals that I would want to give away. If they take both of those then maybe I would get it done….we keep Pekovic for someone else though.
Lists
Wings:
Gay
Iguodala
Wallace
Young
Deng
M. Williams
R. Brewer
Childress
J. Johnson
Azubuike
N. Young
Fernandez
Morrow
J.Smith
Bigs (this one is tougher):
Noah
Dalembert
Chandler
Okafor
Kaman
Biedrins
Turiaf
Overall, the wings list has quite a plethora of nice 2-way players that are still youngish. A lot of those guys can defend and offend if you know what I mean. Hopefully all of these guys are on some kind of talent chart our front office has put together with a value score next to them so that we know about what we’re willing to give up in case an opportunity comes along.
On the bigs, I don’t know…..the good defensive bigs cost big bucks and can be injury-prone, and some of these guys on my list are overrated defensively (e.g. Biedrins). But I also agree with Levi-mn in that at some point we may need to pony up to get one. It’s tough to win a title in the NBA without some serious length on the interior. I think Love on a contending team is best suited in a Lamar Odom 6th man PF role, where he and Jefferson play serious minutes at the 4 and 5 together, but Jefferson starts the 1st and 3rd quarters at the PF with a guy like Chandler in the middle.
Just some food for thought….
by Rascal Flatts on Jul 21, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
So apparently you really like GS and Philly?
Haha I agree that those teams have some pretty attractive players, but Dalembert is going to demand too much money, he seems like a douche bag like that. Turiaf will get a pay cut next contract and might be a decent pick up in 2011?? Biedrins only seems good at defense cuz you are comparing him to the rest of the Warriors in Nellie’s system besides Jackson and Turiaf.
I would also add to this list 2 more young SFs from GS: Randolph and Wright. There is no way they will be able to sign them both next year while keeping Azubuike, Maggette, Jackson, and the two of them all at the 3. One of these three wings from GS will be available and I want at least one of them (in this order: Randolph, Wright, Azubuike)
Also, refer to my response to Levi above about us needing a defensive center of this caliber (I agree we need someone there, but not necessarily one that will command a 6M+ per year salary. Defensive specialists not named Camby, Dalembert, or Chandler can usually be had for much cheaper than that. Even Camby might be cheap and looking for a ring the year or two before he retires. If we can set ourselves up nicely by 2011-2012, why not here as our last piece?
Even a defensive specialist like Chandler...
Can be had for cap space this season. He was almost traded to Phoenix for Ben Wallace, but it didn’t offer New Orleans enough cap relief, so Phoenix just bought him out. If a team besides Memphis or Portland had cap space, he’d probably have been traded for a second-round pick.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 21, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I consider both Randolph and Wright PFs, not SFs
Not sure why you have these guys slotted as SFs, especially Brandan Wright??? Randolph is going to be like KG or Odom where he could theoretically play some SF, but in reality will spend the vast majority of his minutes as a face-up 4.
And on the big defensive specialist, once they are “discovered”, their market value immediately rockets up to $6M+. Case in point: Marcin Gortat. Look at what Orlando is paying him to play behind the most dominant Center in the league. Second example: Dasagna Diop, another defensive specialist with massive offensive limitations that is paid $6M+. These guys just aren’t out there on the cheap unless they are on a rookie contract. But given the maturation period of Centers – especially defensively – they are usually on their second contract by the time they are really good. I’m convinced we’ll have to pony up big bucks for someone if we are truly serious about contending.
by Rascal Flatts on Jul 21, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Gortat is better on offense than defense
And you can’t tell me that you think Diop has a reasonable deal. And Nazr Mohammad has a similar one with similar talents, you think thats a reasonable deal? Man Charlotte is in a bad place right now.
Not saying they are reasonable,
just saying that C’s – especially those that can defend – are driven by supply and demand. Their salaries seem so unreasonable because the market covets them and there are so few. And I think we need more than a spot playing big man. We need a mobile, lengthy big man that can play at least 20-25 solid minutes. That will end up costing us at least $6M per year. And although Jefferson has decent length (I agree that standing reach is the best measure of length), he has horrific defensive instincts and mobility. It’s too bad, because otherwise he and Love make a great pairing. Love can eventually be a solid positional defender, but unfortunately his lack of length and quick hops will limit his overall impact. It’s not a top priority at the moment, but eventually it needs to get solved. And to me the only way Jefferson and Love win a title together is with Love coming off the bench as a 6th man super sub and a better defensive compliment starting next to Al Jefferson. We can talk all we want about the wonderful potential of these two playing together otherwise, but an average opponent PER of 19 between the two won’t get it done when we’re trying to contend for a title.
by Rascal Flatts on Jul 21, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree in theory
But Al is actually a pretty good defender in the post when he puts his mind to it… which he seems to have trouble doing. Tim Duncan had a lot of trouble with him in a couple games last year (unfortunately Tony Parker had absolutely 0 trouble with Foye/Telfair). Even Yao put up slightly less than his average if I remember correctly (again, Brooks hurt us that game against Foye and Telfair). I think most of our defensive deficieny came because of our guards. Al was a terrible help defender and when he did leave his guy, rotation didn’t come correctly and that might be a big contributing factor as to why the guys they guard are more productive. Maybe we will see this year with Flynn if he can be a better defender than Telfar and Foye…. fingers crossed!
It's all the way around
a problem. I think Flynn has all the tools to be a good defender, including the mentality, but it’s going to take him a year or two to get used to playing man-on-man in the NBA after zoning up at the ’Cuse. In fact, as bad as Miller and Foye were defensively, I actually believe Flynn/Ellington/Rubio will be worse this year, due solely to being rookies and adjusting to the NBA. Remember that during that January stretch that Foye made some absolutely huge plays defensively. A few years down the line, Flynn and Rubio could actually be on the + side defensively, but it will take time.
by Rascal Flatts on Jul 21, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I won't say Al is a good defender
Not by any means, I just think Foye and Telfair made him look worse than he is. He is an awful help defender, absolute trash… but 1 on 1 against a post up guy, he can hold his own.
Foye had a couple nice steals and transition blocks, doesn’t mean he stayed in front of his man every other possession.
I agree about this year being a bad defensive year for our rookies. It usually is for rooks. I think Flynn will adjust quickly though, hopefully Ellington will too, he is supposed to be a decent defender???
Rubio won defensive player of the year in Europe…so thats cause to hope!
GS
is never moving Randolph to dump Magette’s stupid contract.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 21, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever we do
It might be a good idea to maintain this amount of salary cap flexibility until next years cap number comes out and some poor teams find out that they’re above the luxury tax line. After that, the wolves can make lopsided cap space for talent trades with the teams that show the least enthusiasm for paying the luxury tax. This works best if some of these teams are desperate for financial relief, and of few will be.
Then there’s another possibility I’ve seen mentioned around these parts. Some teams will be a few million short of being able to offer max deals and desperately wanting to sign some special player. Once again, the wolves can make cap space for talent and/or draft picks trades to make these teams free agent pick ups work. If the salary cap goes down some obscene amount and teams that thought they’d have plenty of room aren’t quite there, this will work particularly well.
In any case, any veterans or d leaguers the wolves sign should get one year deals. The wolves can wait till the last minute to sign pg number two. If the wolves have already signed a backup for Flynn and then find that Rubio is on his way, they’ll find themselves in a less than optimal situation. The Wolves might want a veteran guard of some sort anyway for those days when both rookie guards are struggling, but it’s better to wait until after Rubio is here to figure out exactly which veteran guard can get along best with the roster. Of course, if Rubio can’t come over, you sign someone like Ollie, Ahearn, or Anthony Carter to a one year deal.
Seems like the biggest long term need is a starting caliber SF, hopefully someone under the age of 26. The wolves have to find a misused/under appreciated small forward to get the best of a deal. They can definitely afford to be patient up until next year’s offseason too, because teams are only going to get more desperate for cap room. I’d like most to get a small forward that can defend his man, block shots, and stick a standing jumper, but I’d take one with a shakier shot if he got to the free throw line.
by oblivionspocket on Jul 21, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
Very good points
I especially liked your first. Hopefully we do use that to our advantage. Anyone know when that number is supposed to roll out?
It always comes out the first week of July
they have a moratorium on transactions for a week while they figure it out.
I’m not averse to them waiting as suggested. However, if the opportunity presents itself sometime this year (before the trade deadline) I hope Kahn pounces.
Also, don’t let the perfect become the enemy of the good. No player they get is going to be the perfect player—that guy’s name is Lebron. You can always find something lacking in anyone they might acquire, but you cannot let that paralyze. This, I think, is my biggest fear. The expirings/cap space is only useful if they actually use it.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 21, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If this team is ever going to be a championship contender
then it’s biggest need is a genuine center — or a monster PF.
yep -- use those expirings in trades
The bigger benefit for the Wolves is in capitalizing on the needs of other teams to make space for a (probable) reduced cap and/or the wish to sign one or two of the free agent “bonanza” coming up next year. Notables include: Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Tyson Chandler, Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Dirk Nowitzki and Michael Redd. There are a lot more too…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10
Out of which
not a single one of those guys listed will sign with us except for Michael Redd who I absolutely do not want
that's the point
With at least a dozen A-list players looking for a payday, a bunch of teams will need cap room to maneuver. And there’s a lot of B-list free agents in 2010 as well, increasing pressures on each team’s salary cap — which will likely be shrinking to boot.
Thus the Wolves expiring contracts have added value far above a normal year.
Yes, that cap space could be used by the Wolves to enter the free agent bidding themselves, but far better to trade for young players — presumably with talent. Or possibly just the perfect vet.
Oh yeah, I thought you were implying we needed to sign on of them
But after reading it again I noticed you were talking specifically about “other teams wishing to sign them”
Not completely sure about that
I agree, but not completely. The shrinking cap and the huge list of free agents on the market mean that the list of 1.) Places those top tier free agents want to go (Miami, LA, NY, etc) and 2.) Teams with cap space will dry up much quicker than that list. So pretty soon one of those top-tier free agents won’t see any place that can offer both 1 and 2, which leave the likes of us who still hold the cash. So we might be able to get one. Now, I don’t know if we’ll still want what is left at that point, especially if they are thinking max contracts, but I think there will still be some players on the outside looking in.
by Cedarpenguin on Jul 22, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Also consider
If Flynn or Rubio (or both—yes!) develop to their fullest potential (even Ellington and Love), it won’t be difficult at all to get some A-list FA’s to come here. Right now they won’t come, as they have no reason too—look at the supporting cast. But who wouldn’t want to play with Roy, with CP3, with Wade or LeBron? I mean seriously, Shaq to Cleveland (I know it’s a trade, but I think there would have been a whole lot more grumbling if Shaq was traded to, I don’t know, Memphis for example)? Rasheed to Boston? There are moves every year where a player follows the supporting cast as much or more than the money. The only problem we had with signing big name FAs here when KG was still around was KG’s contract (and perhaps a certain FO’s imagination and work ethic).
Good players like to play with great players, and great players love to play with other great players if they can. If we’ve got the money and the surrounding talent, that trumps weather/location 99 times out of 100. And if a player happens to be that one guy, well we’re better served by missing out on a guy like that.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jul 22, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh for sure
But we have no [proven] supporting cast besides Jefferson, we have terrible weather (like New York), and we have an average to below average market with a waning fan base.
Until
Boston buys out KG after next year and we sign him back for a one year Fare Well Tour! They’ll even bring Maddog back.
Sweet!
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Jul 22, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok, then where do we go from here
So if Jefferson isn’t the great player that great players want to come and play with, should we be trading a Al for that “great” player to get people here? Rubio/Flynn/Love could develop in to that player, but that will be a couple of years, so do we try to move Al to get a “great” player? An example that supports your point was the Wade/Bosh desire to play together, so do we sign/trade for Bosh in a hope that Wade would want to come play here? Or would you rather wait (possibly years) to see of what we have develops into that type of player that would attract other great players?
I’m not coming up with a Bosh trade, I’m just asking if you’d rather wait to see if our guys develop into that “magnet” or if you think we need to trade for that “magnet”.
by Cedarpenguin on Jul 22, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we have to wait and see
Because as weak of a magnet as Jefferson is now, he is at least facing north to south with the magnet that is the Timberwolves whereas anyone else would probably bolt out of MN the second their contract is up. Thats why I think we need to build up through the draft and getting solid character guys in trades while they still have long (and reasonable) contracts. Even good character guys don’t come to MN cuz they feel bad when they could be going to Miami or LA. Hopefully Flynn and Rubio work out and turn into those guys who want to stay here and not break ties with their teammates….Rubio better be a little impressed with MN after he is getting a reported 4M towards his buyout from local businesses. Thats tough to just up and walk away from if we are offering a solid contract and an improving team.
Here's one that I doubt anyone here but me would really consider
but I might do it, both for basketball and comedic reasons: Q back to the Knicks for Jared Jeffries and Danilo Galinari.
The Knicks get out of more payroll for next summer (Jeffries has a player option for 2010-11). If Galinari is healthy, I’m not sure they would do it even then.
Here’s the thing: Galinari, if he’s healthy, is going to be really good, I think. He’s Toni Kukoc version 2.0. Reports on his surgery are good; obviously we would have to know more about his physical condition before doing that. The downside is obviously Jeffries’ $6+million for 2010-11.
Plus, it would be amusing if Q got traded 26 times in one off-season only to wind up back with the Knicks.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 21, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions
The latest out of NY...
Is that Galinari isn’t available.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 21, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I could be wrong but...
I don’t think QRich can be traded back to the Knicks until a year after they traded him.
Or maybe its only from the same team?!
Now I am questioning that…
Keep in mind whoever we have at the 3
needs to defend assuming we are banking on a Love-Jefferson tandem. We can’t get away with three below average defenders at the 5, 4 and 3 and win a title. It simply won’t happen. Can Galinari defend? I’m skeptical…..
by Rascal Flatts on Jul 21, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade QRich for a trade exception
I think QRich and/or Songaila may be going to a team with a trade exception or a partially guaranteed contract willing to spend money (think Dallas and Greg Buckner), with another player involved. The Wolves will save a little money the first half of the season, but then they could use the trade exception at the deadline to steal a player from an underperforming team trying to save a few million.
QRich to Pistons?
If Detroit land Boozer, that would mean Rip Hamilton and/or Tayshaun Prince will be on offer. This could be one of the scenarios Kahn would be waiting to see what happens.
Rip Hamilton- Never ! Never ! Never !
NO!!! NO!!! NO!!!
To assume his hideous contract for his production level would be insane.
http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/the-magic-and-pistons-go-different-directions/
I would tend to think Prince isn’t on the block- considering the Pistons for some stupid reason turned down the Rondo/Allen for Hamilton’s hideous contract, Rodney Stuckey, and Tayshaun Prince. If the Pistons turned this down they must really value Prince or Joe Dumars has lost it.
That was never offered
if Ainge is to be trusted over the news paper. And I for one would put my money on the Celtics wanting to keep Rondo AND Allen if not just Rondo. They have at least one more year to make a run at it and Rondo for Stuckey would ruin that, even with Rip and Tayshaun for Ray. Team chemistry would be ruined and their PG production would decrease dramatically (Rondo was their MVP in the playoffs).
Of Course
It’s probably not too likely- Ainge admits it once rejected. There was enough smoke with this trade to probably be fire.
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