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Timberwolves still very much in Rubio hunt

 

From Marc Spears at Yahoo Sports:

There is a “50-50” chance the Minnesota Timberwolves’ heralded draft pick Ricky Rubio(notes) will play for the NBA team next season, a source close to Rubio told Yahoo! Sports on Thursday. Another source indicated that the team’s chances might even be better than that.

“They are becoming much more optimistic that they are going to get him,” an Eastern Conference executive told Yahoo! Sports.

The source in Rubio’s camp said it would behoove the Timberwolves to move swiftly in trying to secure Rubio, as there also is strong interest in him from international teams, and Rubio is expected to make a decision soon.

While not divulging Rubio’s preference, the source added that the Timberwolves’ choice for their next coach among ABC NBA analyst Mark Jackson, Los Angeles Lakers assistant coach Kurt Rambis and Houston Rockets assistant coach Elston Turner also will factor into Rubio’s decision as to whether to join Minnesota. The team is expected to hire a coach as early as Friday or as late as Monday, a source has told Yahoo! Sports. Jackson is being viewed as the front-runner for the position.

Minnesota has pledged to pay a maximum of $500,000 toward Rubio’s mammoth $8.2 buyout clause with his current club, Spain DKV Joventut. Spain Regal FC Barcelona reportedly also is interested in the fifth overall pick in this year’s NBA Draft. Rubio is expected to depart from DKV Joventut even if he and the Timberwolves cannot reach a deal.

Ed Note: Sometimes it helps to check the fan posts before putting up links of my own.  This was posted last night and I fixed the link and bumped it to the front page.


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I have a question...

What kind of NBA rule would say that the Timberwolves can only pay $500,000? Why does it matter how much they pay?

by KGMN on Jul 30, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it's part of the CBA

The reason to have a rule like that is to prevent greedy overseas clubs from overcharging on prospects like they could otherwise. See: Matsuzaka, Daisuke.

by McCleak on Jul 30, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

and also to protect smaller market teams, giving them equal opportunity to get these players

by Eric in Madison on Jul 30, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok.

Would bigger market teams be able to pay more or not then?

by KGMN on Jul 30, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, they can't now

the rule is 500K max. The fear would be if there were no restriction, the large market teams would be able to afford the expensive buyouts, whereas the small markets might not be able to, and therefore wouldn’t draft these players.

Permitting unlimited buyout payments could be seen as a way to circumvent the cap almost.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 30, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

But the other point is that a small buyout limit is a disincentive to the Euro teams to put Rubio-esque size buyout clauses on their talent.

When the CBA is renegotiated, this clause will certainly remain.

Only cowards pray for rain.

by Auswolf on Jul 31, 2009 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

5 dollars says

that the clause will increase to by 3 or 4 times.

by McCleak on Jul 31, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's an NBA - Fiba agreement

so Euroleague can have some talent over there until their contracts expire, or at least give some compensation

Nobody expects a Spanish Acquisition!

by DaniBCN on Jul 31, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

FIBA's perspective is basic, but I can't quite connect these dots

From the point of view of FIBA, large buyout amounts ensure a system of de facto “player rights” across multiple independent leagues. When you lose a player, you’re at least going to get assets in return.

However,

  • FIBA is not a party at the table during NBA collective bargaining; and
  • if NBA teams pay the buyout amounts, then the European league is getting something in exchange anyway, just as if a player’d moved between leagues.

so I’m inclined to see the $500K limit in particular as being about the level playing field between NBA teams in different markets and so on.

by feral on Jul 31, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same as with any European move between leagues

The whole point of the buyout amounts is that, because Europe has several vying professional leagues, they don’t have a consistent system of player rights.

If Rubio vamooses for the Italian league after buying out his contract, it doesn’t do a thing to keep talent in Spain.

by feral on Jul 31, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well have to wait and see

Villacampa is playing the game right now, staying loose with his words in order to lure more attention.

Right now Rubio needs to make a commitment to a team and go all out, although I understand if he waits until a coach has been announced since that HAS to be a factor.

We just have to be patient :|

by Xavier Garcia on Jul 30, 2009 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey--

As a Raging Spaniard (very good body of work, by the way) , maybe you can help a brother out: What’s the meaning behind the name “Blond Ricky” that a lot of the Spanish newspapers use when referring to Rubio?)

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jul 30, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol yeah

Its just babelfish messing with you. Thanks btw :)

by Xavier Garcia on Jul 30, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Blond" is simply "Rubio" in Spanish

In case you weren’t joshin’ as usual.

Apparently Ricky’s forefathers and foremothers were hairdressers, and picked up this vocational name. ;-)

by feral on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Foremothers"--I like it.

No, in this case, my ignorance was actual, not feigned

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by PoorDick on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

My daughter translates for me

The very first Rubio article she saw elicited the reaction, “Who is this blond guy?”

by feral on Jul 31, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

spanish humor

I remember in an interview where they asked Sergio Rodriguez (former Blazer) about his buddy Carlos Cabezas and he said “Oh you mean Charlie Head” xD cause it literary translates to that in english. Though their names may sound normal in their native tongue & country It does sound funny in english

by anen87 on Jul 31, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Names are odd that way

I had a statistics professor named “Ferrari” some years ago. “Fero” is Latin for iron, which is why the symbol for that element is “Fe” of course, and the name Ferrari roughly translates as “Smith.” It’s common in Italy. Sounds exotic on cars, though.

by feral on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh.

Thanks.

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by PoorDick on Jul 30, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it would have been more obvious

if he was blond… And think of the marketing opportunities! Can’t you just picture Ricky Rubio in an herbal essences commercial taking a shower and screaming!?

by Mplax on Jul 30, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is it just me

or does it look like that Pau Gasol would be perfect for those Geico Comercals, so esy a cave an can do it

by AT-360 on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

A cave man on heroin

Gasol looks so dissipated these days.

by feral on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

hugh
Rubio in an herbal essences commercial taking a shower and screaming!?

you put an image in my mind that would give me nightmares

by anen87 on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Living arrangements

When Blond Ricky arrives in the Twin Cities this September, I wonder what his living arrangements will be. I remember in high school Brian Bellows (Minnesota North Stars)lived with a friend of mine and his family his rookie season.

by A.K. Agikamik on Jul 31, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Someone wealthy and Spanish would be my best guess

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, considering that

Sidney Crosby lives with Pittsburgh Penguins owner Mario Lemieux, why can’t the Rubio Clan shack up with Mr. and Mrs. Glen Taylor?

(hmm . . . there’s a great sitcom in there someplace . . . note to self: Call Univision).

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by PoorDick on Jul 31, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah...

Somehow I don’t think Rubio will have any shortage of “guests”. I’m thinking he’ll want his own place. With thick walls.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 31, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

No way

at least, not during the season:

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by PoorDick on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sports Science did an episode about that idea

They decided it was wrong, but then again they “experimental method” that they used on that show is beyond awful.

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by Zaig on Jul 31, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

For the next study

I will gladly particpate as a subject.

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by PoorDick on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

:-)

They just used 1 guy and his wife. He was a fighter of some kind, but I don’t recall if it was boxing/MMA/Weight lifting etc.

They basically put him through a bunch of exercises and tested his blood for levels of certain things, told him to go “get with” his wife, and then brought him back the next day and redid the tests.

It wasn’t blind, they had 1 subject, they didn’t control for diet at all, they didn’t factor in fatigue, and so on and so forth.

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by Zaig on Jul 31, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really enjoyed

When they tested whether athletes perform better when drunk. They got some NBA player who says he has his best games when drunk (can’t remember if he was a current or recently former NBA player), had him do a bunch of drills, and then start taking shots or something and repeat the drills. Dude got progressively worse. It was awesome.

Best part was when he started making excuses, like on the standing two foot vertical jump test. After 6-8 drinks and about a foot less on his vertical, he apologizes, saying “Normally I can get it higher,” which sounds remarkably similar to what I say after after 6-8 drinks on a Saturday night.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jul 31, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha nice, haven't seen that one

Can’t really fault shows like that for not using good method. They can’t make an hour long episode if they get the 24-30 participants they really need. They’re also not going to waste time using control groups or the likes. The shows can be entertaining as long as they don’t decide that their conclusions somehow end these sports debates.

Such as claiming that hitting a softball is tougher than a baseball. They take a guy who is used to hitting a baseball and make him hit softball pitches for the first time ever. OF COURSE HE DID BAD. If he had been hitting softballs for 20 years I gurantee he’d crush a pro softball league.

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by Zaig on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the beautiful Barcelona area...

…to Mankato. It’s like the Beverly Hillbillies in reverse.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

And you can co-star

as the wacky neighbor, popping in for a few minutes of hilarity and detailed analysis of the pick-and-roll.

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by PoorDick on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would prefer

The scantily clad and loosely moraled cast of Hee Haw.
Just sayin’…

by Boss10 on Jul 31, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

A show that we need to return

now more than ever.

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by PoorDick on Jul 31, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's called..

….Fox and Friends. It’s on every morning.

In an episode last week they ran a sketch where one of the characters talked about how we Americans aren’t anything like Swedes because “”http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907080028" >we keep marrying other species and other ethnics". Funny stuff.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The painful aspect of that clip?

Is that the person making that little aside actually represents the skeptical end of the row of empty chairs, taken in context.

Gaaaah.

by feral on Jul 31, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's really...

….gotten kind of crazy in the past few months in Fox land. I think I’ll move from bemused to kind of worried if it keeps racheting up like it has been for the past few weeks. Yesterday Glen Beck basically told his audience that Obama was a communist foreigner who will get them killed. I’m a big believer in free speech but I’m also of the belief that even political speech can enter the realm of yelling fire in a crowded theater. At the very least someone at Fox should step in on the editorial front and have a few words with the guy.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

At the very least someone at Fox should step in on the editorial front and have a few words with the guy.

They know exactly who they are speaking to….

As an outsider it seems to me to be US conservatism’s problem. These guys on FOX get the airtime, pump up the committed but will never win the Republicans a single vote from the middle ground. It’s an echo chamber.

Only cowards pray for rain.

by Auswolf on Jul 31, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It definitely is an echo chamber...

…led by an Aussie no less ;) Damn that Murdoch!!! ;)

You do hit on a good point. I have some relatives who used to be Republicans and are now embarrassed closeted Republicans who won’t vote anymore. The problem now is that Generals Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck have whipped up a hornet’s nest that…well, it’s going to be tough to put back in the basket.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, no.

He’s one of you now ;)

Only cowards pray for rain.

by Auswolf on Jul 31, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

A major problem conservatives have...

… is that they achieved power by getting votes of people who believe in smaller central government, in other words make tax & spending decisions more on a local level so we quit funding wig worm sex studies while creating spending bills so massive lobbyists can hide anything they want in the fine print. Then when they got in power they grew central government, sold out to the wacko right, and pissed off the centrists who believe in local government control and balanced budgets.

I know a lot of people don’t like Pawlenty, but at least you knew what you where getting when he was elected and re-elected. The national conservatives should learn the lesson.

by Rumblebee on Jul 31, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a bit more cynical view

There are two groups of Republicans: the true believers and the gamers. The true believers believe in small government and such as a fundamental principle. The gamers want to drown government in a bathtub and/or sell off as much of it as possible to the uber-wealthy. Some people are clearly in one camp or the other. Some people don’t really know what camp they are in. Some people have a little bit of each.

The problem the modern GOP has is that things like “no new taxes” and “small government” will never go out of style in American electoral politics but there is a point of cognitive dissonance to be crossed where this ol’ fashioned rhetoric doesn’t mash with the reality created by the people who are actually in charge, who, by in large, are gamers, rather than true believers. The most successful Republicans are the ones who can make you believe they are not gamers. Bush did it for a while with his Compassionate Conservatism/Have a Beer With the Guy BS. I think T-Paw pulls it off pretty well with his aw’shuks/Sam’s Club Republican shtick.

Here’s where I think that the modern GOP runs off the rails (aside from the whole true believer/gamer thing): if you really believe in limited government, then you had better be damn good an efficient at administering what few programs you want to exist. I will never cease to be amazed by people who are surprised that bad government is the result of electing people who hate government to office. Interestingly enough, this is one of the most effective tactics of the gamers. Bad government is like a perpetual conservative electoral machine. Again, this leads to some pretty amazing examples of cognitive dissonance…like when southern GOPers use the response to Katrina as an example of why there shouldn’t be a public option for health care. Anywho, sorry for the ramble. I guess my main point here is that I don’t think that there is a lot of selling out going on after these guys get elected. The current system is set up in such a way where you have to pay to play and there is an equally offensive structure on the other side of the isle.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite way to put it is..

Republicans say government is the problem. Then they get elected they prove themselves right.

by CaliWolf on Jul 31, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

So,

Does this mean that all Democrats are either true socialist believers or gamers that just want rich people to pay for everything?

by saudagg on Aug 1, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

…those baseline 35% top-level tax rates are completely communist.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 1, 2009 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

In all seriousness..

…the operating crap-factor on both sides of the isle is an overwhelming ease in which the public trust is handed over to the highest bidder. Saying that Democrats are high-taxing socialists is just electoral/talk-radio nonsense. If you look at the way tax rates, low and middle-class income, health care costs, insurance rates and a few other key indicators have moved over the course of the past 50 years it’s hard to come away with an opinion other than that Congress is a giant whore house for monied interests. There are plenty of reasons to beat up on Democrats but calling them true socialist believers and that they want rich people to pay for things isn’t it. If that were the case, they’d be calling for Eisenhower-era tax rates and cribbing Ike’s call against the Military Industrial Complex as they tore apart DoD and handed over the savings to Greenpeace.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 1, 2009 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry,

I don’t actually believe that about Democrats. But your analysis of the GOP seems like a gross oversimplification of sterotypes (they’re either people that hate government or want to sell it to rich people) so I just replied in kind with ones about the party you obvious identify with.

by saudagg on Aug 1, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I find SNP's take interesting...

..even though I consider myself a moderate, I tend to be a true believer while acknowledging government has a purpose. It is just better to keep the money close to home where there is more accountability. I think the nation needs a national energy policy (beyond drilling in ANWAR). Gamers bemoan the cost of solar and wind energy while refusing to add the cost (human and monetary) of two Mid-East wars to the cost of oil. However, I don’t think we need a bureaucracy for education (which can be handled on a state level). The economy has been tanking and foreign relations are tough, yet on a too-powerful national level almost all incumbants return. The people have a vote but the system has been rigged/gerrymandered so we have little power. Why do power players defend the two party system?? It keeps them in power.

I like your take on the gamers, such as conservative talk radio hosts. If you need a new bridge or road, make it private and put in a toll road. Just make sure all of the bridges and roadsin my area are already built by taxpayers so I don’t have to pay a toll.
I want to keep taxes as low as possible, but the uber wealthy should pay their fair share since they benefit the most from this great country. We all have opportunity for success, but reality is not everyone can make a million dollars a year. The elimination/reduction of the Estate Tax is disgusting. Why is it any worse to tax a spoiled 30 year old who inherits grandpa’s millions than it is to tax someone who wins a $5,000 jackpot at a local casino. Yes, grandpa paid taxes on his money, but the money someone puts in a slot machine has also been taxed! GAMERS, they have always bothered me, I just never had a term for them.
By the way, I could rant as long or longer about libs, but that’s for another time. This is why I think it is important to control the size of government, especially nationally.

by Rumblebee on Aug 1, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I used to feel bad..

…about stereotyping until I read Frank Luntz, visited CPAC’s annual convention and received a 1st person account from a Grover Norquist Wednesday meeting from a GOP former Hill staffer/current lobbyist for a local defense contractor/friend. It’s pretty out in the open.

Here’s a short story: I was out in DC during Katrina. I was staying in the hotel that is hooked onto the FEMA building and directly across the street from the Department of Education. My guess is that the hotel bar was something of a watering hole for both agencies and I spent some time watching the devestation listening to a table full of former conservative Hill staffers and current FEMA employees talk about how the response to the disaster could be “leveraged” in a way to create sympathy for their particular political leanings. Now I am in no way shape or form saying that this was an agency-wide response to the disaster; I’m also not saying the response was a conspiracy; rather, that these guys were aware of the impact of bad government in real time and weren’t exactly torn up about it and I’m fairly certain they weren’t alone (especially judging by the use of Katrina as an example of bad government in the health care debate). Just a bunch of drunk former Heritage guys out on the town. ;) Of course, the really bad stuff happens at the 30k foot level. That’s where the foxes really guard the hen house.

My point here is that there is an active and out-in-the-open faction of the conservative movement that is working to destroy government…to drown it in a bathtub as the popular phrase goes. I have listened to think tank meetings where strategies to “take it all down” are discussed; one in particular used the example of the former Soviet Union as a template to “spend the damn thing out of existence”. In this case, the “damn thing” was the US government…well, mostly 20th Century liberal government. Despite its many flaws, there is no similar cynical cognate on the other side of the isle. There are stereotypes that his close to the mark, but nothing along the lines of that type of cynicism.

I think there is a vast disconnect between the electorate and our elected on this front. I completely understand and sympathize with what Rumblebee writes about below. I want low taxes, competency, good government, little intervention and so on and so forth. I’m pretty sure the vast, vast majority of people do (except the wackos). Unfortunately, Mr. Smith no longer goes to Washington and until the money is ran out of town the only place opinions like this will matter are in electoral politics (the jokers still need people to vote for them), family/friendly arguments and comment sections. The political sausage isn’t made like it used to. The problem is no longer ideological; it’s procedural and systemic. Too many people who want the car to crash are working on the engine, and the way to make the engine work as efficiently as possible has been torn apart and thrown away. There really has been a sea change in this regard in the last 15-20 years and it represents far more than a simple cyclical changing of the political guard. It’s fundamental and corrosive.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 2, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

My first reaction to your thoughts

was doubt when it came to conservatives wanting to make government look dysfunctional, mainly because the Republicans/Bush took most of the heat for things like the Katrina reaction. However, the more I thought about it I can see how if they have a long-term view it makes sense. People blamed Bush the last few years, but twenty years from now it will be be fault of defective government… intriguing!

Your Soviet Union analogy goes a step further than I would go, but there is some plausibility. I think the tax cuts were a means to cut off the oxygen (money) and force a slow down in growth. But then the Republicans saw their popularity falling due to Iraq and felt a need to buy votes. However, in your scenario, massive deficits/debt would accomplish the same thing in a longer term and harsher way.

I started to fear gamers when friends of mine who never stood to inherit much more than a small house were demanding the repeal of the former Inheritance, now Death, tax. It is scary how the gamers have been able to hoodwink Southern religious conservatives and use their votes to push a pro-business/Wall Street agenda. I have a finance/banking background and I am stunned by what was allowed to happen to this country and is still going on (both parties share fault here by the way) as well as how individuals are taken advantage of by corporations using lobbyists to protect themselves. What was worse for this country, Bernie Madoff or AIG. Will any AIG exec lose a dime or spend a day in jail, let alone stand trial?

by Rumblebee on Aug 2, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ever wonder why...

..students are required to spend two years as teenagers learning about American History, but nothing is taught regarding Personal Finance? The power structure in this country, business and political, relies on the lack of knowledge to protect their own interests.

by Rumblebee on Aug 2, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

finance...

…and a true accounting of the modern legislative process would do wonders for any high schooler. i agree that both parties are to blame at this point. in terms of ideology, i’m pretty damn liberal but it’s a procedural problem at this point.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 2, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gamer conspiracy question

As I mentioned earlier, I consider myself a moderate. Fairly early in my voting life Ross Perot ran for president. He wanted to balance the budget, and make government more accountable and efficient, ideas that appealed to me.

Do you think a rational, successful, ambitious Texan who seemed to care about his country really went off the deep end, or is it possible he was set up by the Gamers because they feared he would make government look good? I would think the Gamers could find a Black Helicopter or two…no I don’t buy into every conspiracy theory I hear and don’t think the UN will rule the world in a few years!

by Rumblebee on Aug 2, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think..

….we have a two party system for a good reason. From Hamilton and Jefferson onward, there has been a long and proud tradition of being able to get things done, for the most part, with only two organized political groups. Ostensibly Ross was in a 3rd party but if you look how he handled his post-election party duties it became pretty clear that he was pretty much just about himself. He was rightly feared by whatever party he would draw the most significant votes from and I think that’s it. From what I have read about that election, both major parties figured out pretty early on that they didn’t have to worry about his party, only him.

Had he actually been elected, he would have had to deal with 2 major parties who had just been dealt a huge blow. Nobody was worried about what he would have done post-election. They were worried he’d lose the election for them. For the GOP, that turned out to be more than a problem than the Democrats.

Also, keep in mind that Papa Bush was something of an older-school Republican who hadn’t completely bought into the cynicism (although Clarence Thomas is pretty hard to top). His handling of Eastern Europe was masterful and he even realized that he had to balance some of the economic damage created by Reagan when he raised taxes. In other words, he had more pragmatism than ideology. This was also pre-94 GOP Revolution where Gingrich took the Reagan-era lessons and spread them throughout Congress. This is really when the Reagan Revolution came of age and they were finally allowed to run free (post Papa Bush and Clinton). Gingrich started the modern electoral arms war that has made a lot of what you see today in politics possible. None of what is happening in the House could have happened otherwise. I suggest reading The Broken Branch and Fight Club Politics, both of which document just how far Congress has come off the tracks and just how much that has thrown everything out of whack.

Also, while it is something more of a liberal view of the world contained in an often-too-angry screed, Matt Taibbi’s The Great Derangement has one of the better 2 chapters on how the political sausage is actually made that I have ever read. He documents the atrocious Bankruptcy Bill and how it was passed. It is especially interesting to hear how things have changed, even since the days of Showdown at the Gucci Gulch.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 3, 2009 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I Doubt Bush I was involved

in any potential conspiracy against Perot. To this day I am still not sure in his heart he wanted to be re-elected. Either that or he never believed people in this country would elect Clinton after all of the personal issues that became public.

Far be it for me to criticize past success of the two party system. However, I do tend to fear that the extremes of each party have learned to game the system, therefore, middle America is being left behind.
As you said, in the past this system allowed great things to get done. I believe it now prevents great/necessary things from getting done. It almost seems we need a third group to act as arbitrators, and remind both sides that there is work that needs to be done. I strongly believe that if this country had a third party or group representing the average citizen, issues like Social Security would have been addressed in a real way a decade ago.

I’ll end my posts here with this thought. If someone told the Founding Fathers that the two party system would lead to almost unanimous re-election (for those who didn’t retire) of Congress while this nation was going thru the worst a near depression, would they approve?

by Rumblebee on Aug 3, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that like

the ‘birther’ people? You know, those who think that Obama wasn’t born in the US and so isn’t legally able to be President?

I guess it’s all just par for the course for Fox.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jul 31, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw a poll today that placed...

….birther believers as 23-28% of the GOP. Even more interesting was that only 47% of southern respondents to the poll said that they believed Obama was born in the US:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/019306.php

53% responded “no” or “unsure”.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

yeah, I bet if you asked them 100% would think good ole John McCain was born in the states. Wrong. He was born in a foreign country (although on a U.S. base). Our friends in the South are intelligent and unbiased people, we all know that! And who really answers unsure to “do you believe” questions? Funny thing is, McCain lied about a story in an interview with Rick Warren, stole it straight out of a book he has often talked about.

http://trevinwax.com/2008/08/17/obama-mccain-with-rick-warren-at-saddleback-forum-video/

Speaking of which, wonder if McCain knows how many houses he has yet. Or if Palin can name a newspaper she reads. Sorry, I’m obviously very anti-republican.

by Mplax on Jul 31, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh making fun of the South

Bringing rival teams from the North together for many years.

Los Angeles Lakers 2009-2010 Western Conference Chumps

by Zaig on Jul 31, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Things change, and stay the same....

McKinley was assassinated after Hearst’s papers exhorted someone to put a bullet in the President, if I remember right. We’ve had yellow journalism before, and it’s been extreme too.

I’m kind’ve curious to see how the Republicans try to control their campaigns this next cycle around. “Town halls” were so close to out of hand even with McCain as the head of the party. Will they attempt to screen out the “birther” types to stay on message? They need to get some control over their own people, or we’re going to see the end of Elmer Gantry at some point.

by feral on Jul 31, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

there has been...

…some top-down pressure on the birthers but i think the cat is out of the bag. this is talk-radio driven and as we saw during the election and aftermath, the gop doesn’t mess with rush.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

"We're not ones to go around . . .

 . . . spreadin’ rumors.

No we’re really jus’ not the gossipin’ kiiiiiiiiinnd.

No you’ll never hear one of us repeatin’ gossiiiiiiiip.

So you better be sure and listen close the first time."

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Jul 31, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't someone print

That if he came here some or all of his family would come too—like one of his parents or something? I didn’t get the impression that he’d be left all by himself. It’d be like OBP v2.0.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jul 31, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can anyone ponder a guess as to who Ricky would rather see coaching the Wolves? ON the one hand Jackson was an NBA point guard who can offer personal advice to Ricky on playing his own position but on the other hand Rambis has much more experience and has now coached fellow Spaniard Gasol for the past one and a half seasons. I doubt Kahn has given the Rubio camp much influence in who he chooses as coach, but I’m not sure what to make of this articles claims that the decisions is a large factor in Rubio’s overall decision.

by Ebomb on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I bet Kahn knows who Rubio wants

Whether that influences the hire or not I don’t know, and I doubt we will ever know.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rambis

My guess is that he’d like playing for Magic Johnson’s old teammate and Kobe Bryant’s old assistant coach.

by Andy G on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

If for no other reason than the Gasol connection. I’m sure the Lakers are much better known abroad than Mark Jackson or Turner/Rockets. I still think Turner would be best, but my guess is that he wants Rambis.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

14 billion Chinese people big to differ with you :P

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually spent a few months in China a couple summers ago and played in a basketball game against a local university. Had a chance to talk with many people and although everybody knew and rooted for Yao, I saw many more Kobe Bryant jerseys on the streets of Beijing than anything else and Kobe was the guy they wanted to talk about. Chinese people love Kobe Bryant.

by Ebomb on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very true re: 14 billion Chinese people. I was referring specifically to Spain in my comment though, even though that was only clear in my head :).

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jul 31, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we really let Ricky Rubio decide our next coach, then there is no hope for this team.

by LoveTo on Jul 31, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson both have a hand in the firings of their first NBA coaches?

by Andy G on Jul 31, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, this is all way too confusing

Don’t believe anything not coming from the mouth of David Kahn, Dan Fegan, or Ricky Rubio

by AT-360 on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

A good perspective

Do people really believe that Kahn has a handle on the Rubio situation? If he did, wouldn’t Rubio already or be heading towards a deal with the Wolves. I want Rubio and Kahn had to pick him, but I agree with the side that feels we can’t trust Kahn. He trying and I hope he’s right, but the more he talks, the less I believe. http://firedavidkahn.wordpress.com/

by firedavidkahn on Jul 31, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly its you who doesn’t have a handle on the Rubio situation

(1) Kahn is limited to submitting $500K on the buyout per the CBA

(2) Kahn cannot set up endorsement deals for the player, that would be circumventing the CBA by allowing a team to pay a player X amount of money, and then steering them to team arranged endorsements for Y amount of money. Essentially the players compensation would be X + Y so by Kahn arranging said endorsements, he would be paying the player more than the rookie salary scale, a no-no under the CBA.

(3) Fegan controls the endorsements as the players agent, he is the guy you should be directing anger to in regards to arranging a buyout.

(4) Kahn has continued to stay quiet on the buyout saying he would have no comment until things are done. Apparently you read into that your opinions to match your lame website connecting this altogether to mean you can’t trust Kahn, you don’t believe him, and because he doesn’t update the fans daily, he doesn’t have a handle on the situation. I couldn’t disagree more.

by Ebomb on Jul 31, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

4b. Kahn has already figured out that

trying to circumvent the rules only gets you screwed (ahem, Joe Smith fiasco, ahem).

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jul 31, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly

You are absolutely right.

1.You have a great handle on it, because no one has ripped Kahn for his decision making and Rubio never said he was coming to the NBA next season no matter what happened with his buyout. http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-33/David-Kahn-on-Ricky-Rubio.html Here is the link where Rubio said that.

2. Do you really believe if the Knicks drafted him, he would be waiting the situation out? Do you remember what he said after the draft when asked if he was excited to play for the Timberwolves? He told the reporter that he was excited to be in the NBA. I shouldn’t be angry at his agent, because the agent is doing his job

3. Ebomb, number four is a jumbled mess, so I’m going to try responding as best I can. I think you’re calling my site lame and something about matching opinions. I don’t need Kahn to update me on everything he does. I want his trades to make sense and one of them has. I’m also okay with you thinking my site isn’t Ebomb!

I’m curious, what has Kahn done to garner your trust? Is it simply being the Wolves GM and you’re a faithful follower or does he impress you? Do you like the trades? I find it interesting that you are so quick to defend him. Is it the hair?

I want Rubio on the Wolves as much as anyone else, but believe if he wanted the same as I, he would be on the roster. I’ve added some links from espn.com that have a similar take as mine. I don’t hate Kahn at all. I’m reading what is happening with the Wolves, looking at various opinions and I must say, I’m not alone Ebomb. Links are below.

http://firedavidkahn.wordpress.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090710

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4289042

by firedavidkahn on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Responding to your points

(1) I think that before the draft where Rubio felt like he wouldn’t slip below #4 under any circumstance, he did think that he would be in the NBA next season. Based on the pre July 1 buyout, he would make money his first two years paying off the buyout himself if he was selected at at 2, 3, or 4. Because he was selected at #5, he wouldn’t make any money his first two years. This is a serious financial risk for a young man as Rookie Contracts are only guaranteed for the first 3 seasons, and if he were to get hurt it’s a risk. Read some of the other True Hoop blog posts to learn more about how indepth their understanding is on the issue. Their latest blog post about the so called “Nuclear Option” was littered with inaccuracies which I commented upon and the article was changed, essentially he can’t sit out and re enter the draft unless he paid the buyout himself. That didn’t fit the story that ESPN was trying to sell.

2. Clearly their may be more opportunities for endorsements in NYC versus Minneapolis. I don’t know if you seen any other interviews with Ricky, but English isn’t his first language and he isn’t able to express himself very well. If you want to take his comments that he’s excited to play in the NBA as implying that he doesn’t want to play for the Wolves while using a second language he’s not comfortable speaking yet, that is one opinion. I tend to disagree. Unfortunately I don’t understand your point here. You said he was the obvious pick, then state that the Knicks wouldn’t have trouble signing him, and essentially are blaming Kahn that Minneapolis isn’t New York City. I guess I don’t know what the alternative is that you clamour for.

3. I am calling your site lame because it’s ludicrous to suggest firing the new GM 2 months into the job and starting over once again after he’s had one draft. Do you think this is going to improve the team? Besides that, the articles on your site essentially mirror the national stories we’ve all heard about ad nauseum with no original takes of your own, and the comments calling you out for lack of originality and your subsequent anger in responding to those comments speak for themselves.

4. Kahn hasn’t done anything to earn my trust, but no matter who the GM that was hired I would hope we as fans could give him more time to let their vision unfold than 2 months. I am hopeful, but I can’t predict the future. You state that picking Rubio was the right move yet your calling for Kahn to be fired because he hasn’t signed Rubio fast enough or hasn’t done enough to workout the buyout where Kahn’s strings are tied due to the CBA. I just don’t understand what you want him to do.

Thank you for the links, I am familiar with all of them. I read as much Wolves info on the web as I can. I get the fact you don’t like Kahn, and don’t believe he is the right man for the job. But until you can explain to me what you would have done differently and how this team would be better with someone with a different definable vision, I will maintain your sites lame because all your doing is responding to every move that’s made with negativity just for the sake of driving readers to your blog. It’s one thing to call somebody out, but a whole different thing to call them out while discussing how you would have done things different, comparing Kahn with your strategy, and then making logical arguments about how your strategy is superior. Until I see that from your page, I won’t read it.

by Ebomb on Jul 31, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Round 3?

http://firedavidkahn.wordpress.com/

1. Your rookie contract argument makes no sense on a number of levels. Salaries are on a sliding scale and the difference between each pick is $300,000, so if he was the fourth pick instead of the fifth, he would not have been signed because of $300,000? "If he gets injured it’s a huge risk." If that is your case than wouldn’t it be a bigger risk to stay in Spain, where he’ll make less money? Additionally, when has this injury ever occurred? The worse case I can think of is Shaun Livingston. Livingston hasn’t played in years due to injury and he just got signed. Were the True Hoops articles inaccurate according to your rookie scale or injury logical?
2. My point is not that Kahn shouldn’t have drafted him because the team is in Minneapolis. That is not the case; he just should have done some research and figured out if Rubio wanted to be a Timberwolf and made an educated move, instead of the blind one he made. It is not Kahn’s fault that he is the GM of a team in Minnesota; it is his fault that he didn’t look into the situation, thus tying his own hands. It’s his hands, he doesn’t have strings.
3. The Vikings fired Fran Foley in the draft room. George O’Leary got canned in a few days after lying on his resume. Two months isn’t a bad run for Billy Martin. It happens
4. I’m not calling for Kahn’s head for drafting Rubio and then not signing him. I’m calling for Kahn’s head because he traded up in the draft and didn’t research the pick enough to know if a player wanted to play for the Wolves. When Kahn’s been asked about this, he has said that he didn’t expect Rubio to be there. This was said after Rubio had been projected to slip ad he traded up. I also want Kahn gone because he traded away the starting point guard without knowing Rubio’s status. Additionally, the drafting of two point guards deserves the hook on the spot. We are not the Detroit Lions—at least not yet.
5. Sports are not personal. At least when you are on the sidelines. They are fun, just like these debates. It’s not heavy lifting. I don’t hate Kahn. Why would I hate Kahn, it’s only basketball? I like basketball and think Kahn is terrible at running a team, but that doesn’t mean I hate him—it’s all in good fun. Additionally, by saying that I would have looked into the Rubio situation isn’t that identifying what I would have done? It’s up to you to read the blog. The sport we are doing is opinion and we differ there, which is fine, it makes for a good argument. Looking forward to your rebuttal.

by firedavidkahn on Jul 31, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The premise of your argument is faulty in my opinion.
  • Rubio hasn’t said he doesn’t want to play in Minneapolis. Find me the quote.
  • And even if he didn’t want to come he must know enough about the risks of entering a draft where his four most likely destinations were Memphis, Oklahoma City, Sacramento and Minneapolis. Asking Rubio what he wants to do is putting the cart before the horse. Rubio wants to play in the NBA, the route he must take is the draft. Simple.
  • You ignore completely the significant issues of the buyout. In this regard, Kahn’s hands are tied. If the Knicks had drafted him at pick 8, they would be in this exact same situation.

Only cowards pray for rain.

by Auswolf on Aug 1, 2009 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Faulty

Here’s the quote: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-41-152/Minnesota-s-Unrequited-Love-for-Ricky-Rubio.html

It isn’t that simple. Rubio has more options than other picks. Your horse and cart analogy doesn’t make sense, so add some clarity if you want someone to reply.

Kahn tied his own hands by not investigating the situation. So yes he has limitations, but if you read any thing Rubio has said, you would begin to understand how Kahn tied them up himself.

by firedavidkahn on Aug 1, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have read plenty.

I’ve lived this little imbroglio just like most people on this board. If you had been here more often, you would see my postings on the matter. Got it?

Your link doesn’t answer the question. Find me a quote saying he won’t come to the Wolves. You won’t find it.

You have made the same interpretations and tea leaf readings that ESPN were guilty of initially. ESPN have also reported that the issue is the buyout, not the destination.

Cart before horse is simple. Draftee don’t have a choice. Getting to choose is called free agency.

So if under the early ‘Rubio in a big market" theories posited, Rubio had looked at the draft board, then looked at his buyout, he would know his chances were slim to none. Now I’m aware Steve Francis and Kobe have stood out and Rubio always has the Euro leagues, but if he wants the NBA, which he claims to do, then the path leads straight through MN. So what he wants is less important that what is possible. If Rubio decides the bright lights of Barcelona are all he ever needs, then good luck to him. But you don’t enter the NBA draft and engage an agent to test the waters.

Only cowards pray for rain.

by Auswolf on Aug 1, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Logic

There are words like seems and might that help define what one is saying. They keep options open. I never stated, Rubio doesn’t want to play for the Wolves, I’ve listened to and read stories about the situation and have noticed he has avoided even mentioning the Wolves. He has said, he is excited to play in the NBA, he has said, he is going to explore his options. He has never said that he will or won’t play for the Wolves and neither have I. I’ve said things like, it doesn’t SEEM like he wants to play for the Wolves.

Drafties do have a choice. Rubio can stay in Europe or work out the buy out and play for the Wolves. Is that not a choice? You’ve pointed out the other situations where drafties made choices. (Kobe and Francis) Rubio could sit out a year, which is another option. So yes, he does have choices. They may not be to your liking, but they are out there. Got it?
http://firedavidkahn.wordpress.com/

by firedavidkahn on Aug 2, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing is for certain...

…Ricky Rubio is the most difficult game to hunt.

by Grover M on Jul 31, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Move swiftly? WTF?

Bleh. A “source in Rubio’s camp” probably equals Dan Fegan.

What else is there for the Timberwolves to do that they have not done?

Scare up even more endorsement money?

Hire Fegan’s Ricky’s choice of coach?

As if…

by levi_mn on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

There are so many things in this article that don't make sense...

1. The “Eastern Conference executive” wouldn’t have any more insight into this process than the rest of us. As if Kahn is calling the other teams and saying “Oh yeah, it’s looking good.” Nothing but speculation, IMO.

2. The Rubio source saying we need to move swiftly. What the else are we supposed to do? The contract is ready to be inked…the roster spot is available. Until RR and DKV agree on a buyout, we’re stuck in neutral. Why should we drive 100MMPH to get to a dead end?

3. I’d be surprised if RR knew any of these coaches from shinola. Why would he care which one got the job? Maybe Gasol has told him, “Yeah, Rambis is cool” but I don’t see any reason why RR would object to any of them.

This article reeks of lazy journalism…

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by mutleyil on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Funny...

When I read that Eastern Conf. exec bit I immediately thought of Donnie Walsh. Dude just can’t stop trying to get his name associated with Rubio.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jul 31, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it's Walsh, it's purely out of desperation

I think he’s misunderestimated how hard it will be to get stars and a supporting cast to play “Meet Me in New York.” Even if he gets LeBron or Wade to come there, I don’t think they’ll be able to get enough other players to equal the current talent level of Cleveland or Miami, let alone the Lakers, Magic, Celtics, Spurs, or even the Mavericks.

I would guess he sees getting Rubio there as a cheap way to add some excitement while Walsh stalls for time in 2010.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Aug 1, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

What ever become of the NBA executives' trips to Spain

I though someone like Silver or Stern was supposing to be there this week. Any word on that?

by BVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

A Question re: buyout

If Rubio signed with another European team, wouldn’t that team have to pay his buy-out?

by swheatle on Jul 31, 2009 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes

But the difference is that that Eropean team can pay any amount of money that the wn’t, but the Wolves can only pay 500k

by AT-360 on Jul 31, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

2nd Question re: buy-out

So if another European team works out a buyout for Rubio, the new team would likely put a buy-out in excess of what they had to pay to get him in the first place? So Rubio’s buy-out to the Wolves could actually increase?

by swheatle on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not

Rubio probably wouldn’t sign that deal. The idea would be that Rubio would agree to stay in Europe for 2-3 years, then be able to leave with a relatively small or no buyout. A Euro club would need at least 2 years of Rubio to make it worth their while, and even then I don’t know if it’s worth it, depending on how much Joventut winds up getting.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 31, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am still trying to get clarification

But the “buy out” refers to Rubio being able to declare himself a free agent to sign with anyone he chooses.

What I am hearing is that with Madrid/Barcelona, its more like a soccer “transfer” agreement where the new owners pay a fee to get the use of the player under his existing contract.

It’s an important distinction in that Rubio’s buyout would still exist for the next couple of years if his contract was sold through a transfer style agreement.

Has anyone heard anything official?.

by Just A Fan on Jul 31, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think this is right

though I suppose it’s possible. My understanding is that it would be a buyout for Barca or Real. They would then sign Rubio to a new contract. It would NOT be a transfer of the existing contract to one of those teams.

I don’t know this for sure, but that’s my understanding of it.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 31, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is different from a soccer transfer

although Joventut’s intention was for it to serve in just such a manner. This was done with an eye to the deep pockets of the Spanish Leagues rather than the NBA.

Paying the buyout amount or another amount mutually agreeable amount will have the effect of fulfilling Rubio’s contractual obligations, i.e years service or financial contribution. The Joventut contract will no longer exist and a new contract will be signed. He wouldn’t be a free agent as such because the two contracts will probably be simultaneous. The new contract would specify that they will fulfill Rubio’s buyout obligations in return blah blah……

A soccer contract can be moved between European teams because the fee is negotiated (or set as a minimum fee release clause). Sometimes (often in fact in the UK) the fee can be waived and the player can be transfered without fee as a salary dump. The transfer fee is not an obligation of the player,

Only cowards pray for rain.

by Auswolf on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would anyone do this trade?

Rubio to the Clippers for Eric Gordon, Al Thornton, and DeAndre Jordan? I think that’s a pretty good haul. I’m not sure the Clippers would even do it.

We’d have:
Flynn
Gordon
Thornton
Love
Jefferson

with Ellington and Brewer coming off the bench, and DeAndre Jordan becoming the athletic shot-blocker we need to rotate with Al and Love. I like the trade.

by LoveTo on Jul 31, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd do it.

Only cowards pray for rain.

by Auswolf on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Don’t really like Gordon, and don’t think the Clippers would ever do this for any number of reasons:
—salaries don’t match up at all
—Ricky is unproven
—you’re asking them to give up three of their young and developing players for a guy who might not even come over this year

This type of trade proposal is definitely entertaining and would be awesome, but has no chance of ever happening.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jul 31, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right..

I don’t think it would happen, or that the Clippers would agree to it. (Although they’ve done dumber things…) But about your bullet points, I meant as a basic swap. We could make the salaries work with all our expiring contracts and stuff.

I’m just trying to get a feel for how highly people on this site value Rubio. I think some Clipper fans would be upset if their team turned down that trade, because a Griffin-Rubio draft would be a pretty impressive foundation (if you believe the hype about Rubio).

Just for the heck of it, what kind of things would Canis Hoopus posters be looking for in return for Rubio? What would we need to get out of him? (Either specific trades, or general player types, etc.)

by LoveTo on Jul 31, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the short term, at a minimum we would need to get a #1 pick (top 5) or a top 5 talent. If he stays in Spain, I can only see his value rising (barring injury).

by PoohRubio on Jul 31, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’d imagine other teams would be suggesting we send them Flynn, Love, and Brewer for Rubio if they had him and thought we wanted him. Looking at it from a Clipper perspective, I wouldn’t even think about this trade. All three of those players will possibly be better than Rubio in 3-5 years. Let’s hope not though…

by Mplax on Jul 31, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rubio

Rubio is looking at a deal in Europe while making a last ditch attempt to get something going in the NBA. I don’t think he’ll be in a Wolves uniform for another two years. http://firedavidkahn.wordpress.com/

by firedavidkahn on Aug 6, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

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