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I have been thinking about this since draft day, but I saw that another post kind of stole the thunder on this idea. Mine is similar but much more fair to Sacto (and the Kirilenko Utah part of that deal is way unrealistic).

Rubio/Flynn + Love+Madsen  for Kevin Martin and Jason Thompson.

Sota has a serious problem with limited return on its highest value players. I know, I know, I know you guys love you some K Love. But you already have an amazing but defensively limited 4. Even if Love hits his ceiling you still wouldn't be getting ultimate value for him because his minutes and his effectiveness would be limited beacue he'd either be backing up Al or playing at a position at which he or Al would not be at their most effective position. The same could be said for Flynn or Rubio. Also, Love may never have a higher trade value then now because of all of the minutes he got when Al went down. 

I love both Rubio and Flynn, so its a toss up to me, but I imagine trading Flynn would make it easier to get Rubio here this year (you'd obviously want a guarantee), while with Flynn you know you have a player who will play this year. Flynn currently has a better shot from the arc which would be important to get more space for Al.

Kevin Martin is simply one of the best scorers in the game. He isn't good on defense but he is such a talented multi dimensional scorer (catch and shoot and off the dribble threes, creative drives to the hoop, and crazy free throw rate). Jason Thompson had an impressive year. He is no Love, but he is long and athletic and he produced in the minutes he was given. He'd have the athleticism and length that Jefferson and Love lack.

I think you guys would still have the pieces to get Camby who would be a fantastic complement to Al. He could also teach Thompson about being an effective defensive big. You would also need a backup 1 with experience, and there are plenty out there to be had (Daniels, Watson ,etc.)

Also having two prime scorers on the court would really open it up for Gomes to be at his most effective in getting high efficiency looks, and it would really lower the pressure on Brewer for scoring. Even saying that I think Carney may be your best bet at the 3 because he is the best three point shooter and currently more athletic then Gomes and a better scorer the Brewer.

Whichever point is left would have a considerable amount of pressure off of their soldiers because the could rely on simply setting up the offense for the two main scorers and playing good d.

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there is no way sac would go for this trade.

by chris.maher on Jul 7, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmm...

You might be right, but I don’t know. Maybe without Thompson in the deal? They have the exact same problem that Sota has. Tyreke Evans simply is not a point guard, and putting him on the court at the same time as Kevin Martin is a bad idea. Udrih who is also a score first pg did not work well at all with Martin. He needs a distributor. Evans on the other hand needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

Maybe they don’t realize it yet, but they will by half way in to the season. There is no way both of them work in the same backcourt, and with Evans having such a high pick pedigree there will be pressure to start him. The Madsen part also gives them serious cap space for next year.

Also K Love would fit in well as a distributor and rebounder in this situation. Still don’t know about the long term effectiveness of Hawes as a starting 5, but his blocks are up and his rebounds are adequate, esepcially when paired with K Love.

by jdpourciau on Jul 7, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't like it

Thompson doesn’t excite me at all. Pretty average year as far as efficiency and he was the oldest Rookie PF in the draft last year. Meh.

I just don’t think I’d look to trade Love until next offseason. After 09-10 we are going to have Love, Jefferson, and Songaila on the roster as bigs. Let’s wait until we know our draft position next summer, know the available prospects and who might available, and then decide whether we trade big for small. If we trade Love this summer, while we have the roster fodder to get by in the paint this year, it really tips our hand as to our available options next summer.

by Ebomb on Jul 7, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not a bad idea...

But I still wouldn’t do it. Martin is a skinny 2 with an unconventional game who missed 20 games two years ago and 30 last year. And I think Love is already better than Thompson while being two years younger.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 7, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, Love is better than Thompson,

That’s the reason Sac would do it, maybe. you have to give to get. Martin is the prize for the Wolves. I would do it, I like him, but of course YMMV.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 7, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get that...

But he’s more of an injury risk than Jefferson considering his history and is about as skinny as Brewer.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 7, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Way
  • Love’s a Upgrade over Thompson- Who I like- but Love’s a few years younger.

*Then the question is would you trade Ricky Rubio for Kevin Martin? The answer to this is never. Martin’s kind of approached his peak where as Rubio has the potential to be a difference maker. As for Flynn for Martin? Martin’s a terrific scorer- that doesn’t add a lot else. My problem is that I don’t see him really elevating the game of those around him.

So in conclusion- I don’t do it for the Wolves where as I doubt Sac-Town goes for it either.

by Jose Cordoba on Jul 7, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions  

You should make that move

Look, I know Martin has been injury prone and Rubio has fantastic potential but I think people fall in love with potential.

Rubio is 18/19 years old. He may become a great point guard. Kevin Martin IS great 2 guard. He is the most efficient two guard in the game which is crazy once you figure that he averages almost 25 points a game. He scores in every way imaginable other then the post up. He neither needs another player to set him up nor does he need so many shots that other players feel stiffed.

Kevin Martin is a definite top 5 offensive 2 guard. If you are lucky Rubio will be a top 5 point guard in a few years. Martin is a known quantity. As for making others around him better, that’s what the point guard is for and glue guys like Gomes. Another think to remember is he is a great value as is Jefferson. That gives you the cash for role players.
Offensively it would be darn near impossible to elevate his game. Maybe with having a low post presence for the first time he will be able to concentrate on D.

by jdpourciau on Jul 7, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

There are several points of contention

1. Kevin Love is not a Defensively-Limited “4”- considering the T-Wolves DRR went from Medicore to Top 5 on the basis of his and Mike Miller’s addition. Unless one happens not to think of defensive rebounding as a defensive skill.

2. Al’s a 5-unless one can find a 7’0 Help-Side defender who excels playing the high-post. Otherwise- you just draw extra defenders towards the basket limiting post opportunties.

3. Kevin Martin’s a Terrific Scorer- no doubt here. He also not much of a shot-creator nor a defender nor a rebounder. This is part of the reason that WOW describes him as an average shooting guard. Although I wouldn’t go as far as their assesment. The problem is when you’re building a 24 win-team you have to go for potential instead of players that might improve you to 34 wins.

4. Sacramento took Tyreke Evans with the idea he’s a PG. He’s a much better prospect if you think he’s a 1 long-term than a 2. Especially considering he’s shown no ability to play off the ball. So I’m sure if Pookey Guru comes on he’ll say this would be a definite no from their side.

by Jose Cordoba on Jul 7, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Sacremento wouldn't have drafted Tyreke...

if they didn’t plan on playing him next to Kevin Martin. If wanted Ricky Rubio he’d be a King and Tyreke and Johnny Flynn would be the starting backcourt for the Wolves.

Much like the rest of you I think Sacremento will discover Tyreke was destined to play SG but it will take a LONG time before they give up the dream and trade him to Washington with some overrated 3pt shooter who won’t shoot 3’s.

by Pants_ on Jul 8, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

BTW....

If Kevin Martin had been an 80 game starter the last 3 year I’d do a Flynn + Love deal for him. All appearances are that he will be a 60 game a year guy and that isn’t enough to build a team around.

Rubio is the great hope right now. It’d be hard to trade him. He is too valuable to trade for another prospect or picks and the Wolves are so far away from contending it doesn’t make much sense to trade him for an established star. Guess he’ll have to kick some @$$ at Target Center.

by Pants_ on Jul 8, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the biggest issue...

In my mind. What has he missed time with the past two years, and are those injuries one-time, nagging, or chronic? Plus, if his injuries have anything to do with his slight frame, I’m not sure he’s going to bulk up that much more. Reggie Miller wasn’t bulked up, either, but he was very healthy during his prime and only missed more than 15 games once, at age 39.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jul 8, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

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