Ricky Delayed?
by PoorDick on Aug 26, 2009 9:35 AM CDT
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Via Marca, Ricky Rubio signs a six-year agreement with Barca, with an "affordable buyout" in 2011. Barca will pay $5.3 million to the Verde Negro in the buyout.
Babelfished:
Lack a mere formalism, but Blond Ricky already can be considered player of the Regal Barcelona closing itself therefore eternal culebrón. It will be the most expensive crossing of the history of balonceso European and the azulgrana set will pay to the Penya 3.7 million Euros by the base of the ÑBA. An authentic operation of galactic that the set of Joan Creus will know well how to amortize. Ricky will sign by six seasons with clauses of exit for the NBA that will be falling progressively according to spend the seasons.
The Penya ended up accepting 3.7 million Euros, the most expensive crossing of history
From the second campaign yes that would be reasonable economically its jump to the NBA and would not have to do too much economic engineering considering that already knows what would receive in the Timberwolves and from the third party its exit towards the NBA would be much more that reasonable.
The Penya gives by closed the pending chapter of which the operation in an Advice of Administration is approved, but quere not to make public the operation at the moment and either has contacted with Ricky, neither with the family nor surroundings of the base. Sources of the family of Blond Ricky have confirmed to MARCA.com that "Ricky is player of the Penya and we only want to know something of the subject if there is an agreement to transfer it". Only lack a call, a mere formalism to finish squaring the operation and that becomes public. Until then, the base follows concentrate with the ÑBA and it does not want distractions of any type.
The Barça wants to respect ""timing" so that Jordi Villacampa handles the operation"
The past week the Regal Barcelona raised the supply 3.3 million Euros, but the number that has ended up accepting Villacampa is of 3,7. Dark-green sources recognize that "we are before the last coletazos" of "culebrón", that is little less than to admit it.
In the Regal Barcelona they affirm that they want to respect ""timing" so that Jordi Villacampa handles the operation", reason why, based on how the events are developed, the official announcement in the agreement can become in hours or weeks.
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I just saw this on another spanish site...
1. The Translations are hore en douse.
2. Rubio not coming over for a couple of years, no matter how you look at it is not good for the Wolves. I am not anywhere near trading him for anyone not named Top 10 at their position and younger than 24.
3. What are the odds this is another Euro report?
I'm waiting for official word from...
…Penya (DKV Jovontut), the Wolves or the NBA.
When looking over at DKV’s website, nothing is reported yet.
On the contrary
I think it’s by far the best thing for the Wolves that he stays over for a couple years. The Wolves get to see what they have with Flynn for a couple years, run him a bit at the 2 maybe. In two years, we should have a great idea of who he is. In the meantime, Rubio gets to develop his game in Europe at a major club, which we also get to observe. He’ll be much closer to NBA-ready at 20 than 18. There’s no doubt we’ll a much better idea of what to do with the two of them in two years, we’ll know which one to trade or if we should keep both, and it will probably be better for both of them to not be putting pressure on each other. There’s no way they wouldn’t be if they played together, for awhile at least.
I’m not sure what the downside is to be honest, aside from the fact that it would be fun to watch if he came now. But again, be wary of the Spanish press, even if this does seem totally plausible.
Why do people say this??
It is NOT what is best for the Wolves!! By any means at all!
Agreed
It is nowhere near “best for the Wolves.” That’s insanity.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Not at all “insanity,” at least if we’re assuming that he’s a lock to come over in 2 years.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
That would be pretty foolish to assume that.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
It’s not that much of a reach if you go by what we’ve heard so far, which is that he really wants to come to the NBA. Are we discounting that now?
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
I just don't see how you can assume something like that
with all certainty.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I was under the impression that players tend to perform better during the ages of 20-25 versus 18-23 in nearly every situation.
Does every situation count playing in a lesser league
against lesser competition, with presumably less resources available for development?
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Your one line zingers are so authoritative.
Would you rather have Flynn at age 18 or Flynn at age 20 after playing 2 years against lesser competition in the NCAA with presumably less resources at Syracuse that he would have had with the Wolves.
Well duh. What do you think?
Convienent that you are leaving out the fact that we used the number five OVERALL pick on this player.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course I'd take Rubio 2 years from now ...
if we didn’t have to use the 5 pick on him from the last draft, after trading away two somewhat valuable assets that could have been traded for something else.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Look, I’m not asking you to change your mind, I know that’s not possible after your comments on the Kahn article when you claimed not to care, and then berated all the poster who divulged information.
Yes he was the #5 pick I am still glad they took him. If he busts in Spain against lesser competition he would likely bust here. This way it’s on somebody else’s dime. Injuries can happen anywhere.
To me you are just sounding dissapointed and frustrated that you can’t get immediate gratification from Rubio when this situation, him staying in Spain for 2 years, was talked about immediately after he was picked at the draft. The team didn’t sell the fans that Ricky would be over immediately, but apparently you bought that message from somewhere.
I like Ricky as a player. He is a human highlight reel and all the clips and live action i’ve seen have been highly entertaining. Having to wait two years for a player who will still only be 20 is not the end of the world for me, nor is it a reason to berate the front office for what could have been. IMO.
That doesn't mean this is a great move
for the Organization and/or any fans that may remain. That’s what I’m saying. I wanted us to draft Ricky.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Well said. A very wise man . . .
(who also happens to be excellent at making love) posted this the last time we had this kind of “news”:
1. It’s not a done deal yet
2. You said yourself that they were going to suck regardless if Rubio came over now or not.
3. If there hadn’t been any contract uncertainty, he probably wouldn’t have fallen to the Wolves at 5
4. Foye and Miller are known mediocrity, and the 2nd and 3rd best players on a 24 win team.
5. Miller is technically old enough to be Rubio’s father (see LeTourneau, Mary Kay)
6. Flynn is so far, so good at point guard
7. Suckitude brings the Wolves an even better pick next year
8. A delay in getting him over is not as bad PR as never getting him at all
9. He’ll never make enough money overseas to compensate for what he could make in the NBA—unless he’s mediocre, at which point the Wolves will be glad he couldn’t/wouldn’t come over.
10. Kahn’s not done yet.
11. Once here, Rubio will "get" the NBA game quicker than almost any player in history
I’m prescribing a good stiff drink to be taken internally over the lunch hour.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
People always say this...
But what would they have been traded for? The only recent deal where a team traded a vet and got more in return than they gave up was in the Kidd-Harris deal. Almost every significant deadline addition for a contender recently has involved them signing someone who was bought out.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 26, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
You're right
Why even try to make a different trade. Who know what would have been available by the time the trade deadline rolled around…
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Now you're just being petty
Look, all I’m doing is pointing out what the trends are. Kahn decided not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good and made a deal. It is what it is, and with the new buyout trends, it’s not extreme to suggest that it’s the best deal that could’ve been had. Even if it’s not the very best, it’s definitely in the top 3.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 26, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
You weren’t getting better value for two mediocre vets who would need extensions than a top 5 pick, unless you have some inside info I don’t. If so, please share. Even if it takes two years, it was still a great move.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
Maybe a great move for Seattle when the Wolves relocate.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand the whole
there are no guarantees thing…but I will wait to express a full blown rant until I hear something definitive.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I am.
But still, there is a little too much Kahn Koolaid around here sometimes.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that
but at the same time will wait to rant and rave until my BS detector goes off. Like trying to sell a really bad pick as the we know better than you….just believe me type press releases. I will give him 18 months to put out a competent team that can at least be in every game. If not, then shame on Khan.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
How is it “kool aid.” Kahn hasn’t said anything about Ricky staying in Europe being possibly being good for the franchise, at least not that I’ve heard.
Anything I’ve stated on here is my own opinion, and may easily turn out to be wrong. I’m just exploring possibilities and stating what might happen. To write it off as kool aid drinking while asserting that your own opinion is right is, frankly, dumb and hypocritical.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
Seriously
As a Wolves fan who lives in Seattle, I see a 0% of this area getting an NBA basketball team in the next 5 years.
Especially since the legislature turned down an opportunity to get more money from Bennett in April
I’m interested to see what happens a few years down the road with Seattle Center myself.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Time to get those Sounders tickets make your plans to drive down to Portland. Sigh. At least the Wolves-Blazers get two weekend dates in Portland this year both in November. I’m already excited.
That's pretty good for you obviously
I don’t think the Kings play the Blazers until December. The 2nd time is in March. I’m not going to down to either game as I can’t really afford it. Plus, I’m not into watching games live as a lot of people.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'll say this about CW's comment-
If the Wolves had traded Foye/Miller for a top-5 pick two years from now, then had the rest of the off-season they have had, there would be far less talk about the Wolves this summer, and also less positive talk. They might not be moving to Seattle, but the apathy would be far greater.
Also
if you think that waiting to trade Foye/Miller at the deadline would have gotten us a Harris like talent, you are deluding yourself. NJ got Harris because it was Jason frigin Kidd. Not that his game hasn’t fallen off a little, but he matches the age group on Dallas’s roster. Foye+Miller do not = Kidd. Plus, I would rather have rubio in 2 years than Harris.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't believe I ever said we'd trade for a Harris type talent.
Please don’t put words in my mouth. Everyone hates me enough as is.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
I can see that…I was just trying to point out that the type of players that a team gives up depends on the late season acquisition. An aging superstar like Kidd (which Foye and Miller will never be) gets a different type of package. The team who would acquire a Foye/Miller at the trade deadline would have only a late first round pick to give up…they wouldn’t give up a really good prospect. So now matter what the package…I just can’t see it adding much value.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
If they couldn't get a guy better than Rubio
Why make the trade? To pick up a few more wins this year? Okay, let me preface this next remark by saying that I don’t think Ricky Rubio is a talent on the level of David Robinson. The Spurs had to wait for two years to get Robinson. Would they have been better off trading his rights to another team for a lesser player?
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 26, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
They KNEW they could get Robinson
because he didn’t have a potential six year contract.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
what do you think that the odds are
that Rubio ends up at Barcelona and opts out in 2 yrs? Just thought we should throw this out to clarify.
I guess 90-10.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Id say equal to the odds of Kahn’s honeymoon period ending right now/us actually criticisizing a re-trade for Mark Blount. So…30%.
Point is, no one knows either way, but acting like it’s a sure bet is very naive.
I had no idea
that 90% = sure thing. Damn my accountant math skills must have really gone to hell.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
no prob…just making a point. Way to much overstatement going on in this posting.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
No idea
But I wouldn’t assume he’ll automatically be here 2 years from now.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
How's this for an answer...
.. if Rubio’s as good in two years as we all hope he is, he will either be a Wolf or traded for tremendous talent, guaranteed, 100%!!! If he is that good the long term NBA money is way too good.
If Rubio shows no progress the next two years, then he probably stays in Spain and the Wolves save the $6 million they would have paid to find out he really isn’t that good.
Crap...knew I owuldn't be able to translate in time
Just duplicated this essentially. I am an idiot.
(678): Words of Wisdom: ordering a pitcher of whiskey cokes, putting a straw in it, and calling it your drink is not socially acceptable
The Wolves are doing us a favor
by taking those 20 games off TV… lmao!
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Bright side
We get to see Jonny Flynn develop, which is good. And, to be perfectly honest, a 20 year old Rubio is easily the #1 pick in the draft in a couple years, and we would be positively tripping over ourselves to get him. We got time. Nobody panic (or listen to the usual “Wolves messed up again” memes already circulating—like I said, we got time).
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Good advice.
I was MUCH more concerned with the notion that Blond Ricky didn’t want to play for the Wolves, rather than couldn’t afford the buyout on his own. Keep in mind, everybody, that if Rubio were to come over this season, the “Wolves won’t have Rubio for at least two years!” comments would just be replaced with “How can they have two young point guards???!!”
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
oh well...
we just need to make sure any live game links get posted so we can at least watch him play.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions
Patience...
..If true (which it may still be) it hasn’t even been reported on FC Barcelona’s website yet.
http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/web/english/basquet/
You’d think that either Penya or Barcelone would post some official news about something like thes, wouldn’t you? Maybe that kind of thing is different in Spain?
Reading into Rubio's Bilingual Tweets
Rubio’s use of Twitter is intriguing. He doesn’t exactly break news on it, which is the reason I follow him. However, up until his last two tweets (http://twitter.com/rickyrubio9), Ricky primarily has been using Spanish for his Twitter account. Then, out of nowhere, he started providing his own translations this week:
rickyrubio9En el AVE hacia Zaragoza. Mañana partido contra Israel. I’m going to Zaragoza in train. Tomorrow we have a game against Israel.
Tarde libre y una siesta de 3 horas! Mañana viaje a Zaragoza. Free afternoon and I take a nap of 3 hours. Tomorrow we travel to Zaragoza
He’s limited himself to 70 characters per language (of course, translations don’t work out to two equal parts). Perhaps he’s better off having two accounts, one English and one Spanish. But that’s beside the point. What to make of bilingual tweets, if anything? Could Mr. Rubio be refining his image for an American market? Is he showing companies he knows the language, providing translations for English followers to boost his follower numbers (currently 9,222 in comparison to Kevin Love’s 36,659), and prepare for life in Minnesota? Facing his contract buyout, he may have been advised to do all he can to boost his marketability, but would he do so with the foresight to the 2011 buyout year from Barcelona? Hard to imagine.
at least
we will suck next year and get a good chance at a top 3 pick, but then get screwed in the lottery
so bitter
It's never too early...
to tank for John Wall!
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
This is not good news and if you think it is you need to go back and check the history of guys taken in teh NBA who were foriegn players who did not play right away in the NBA the fact is if he does not come over right now he won’t develop. They never do and that is all there is to it. They almost never have with only I think one exception. I actually went online and checked every NBA draft going back almost 15 years. Most players are a bust anyway. the bust ratio of a forgiegn born player is even more. You can’t develop NBA talent playing against sub NBA players. If he does not come over this year it is a wasted pick. He will never be here and he will never develop and worse he has no trade vaue either. No one trades good players for maybes and might be’s and well in two years. In two years half the nba coaches will be fired along with the GMS. Two years and 1.5 years too long
Are you joking?
Internationals who have waited to come over – Peja Stojakovic, Toni Kukoc, Manu Ginobili, Rudy Fernandez, Marc Gasol, Marcin Gortat, Carlos Delfino, Nenad Krstic, Luis Scola, Mehmet Okur, Andrei Kirilenko, Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Most of the internationals drafted don’t come over until they’re 20. Whether a player comes over immediately or not has not been conclusively proven to have an effect either way on that player’s career.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 26, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Excellent points
I listed a few on the other Rubio post, but your more comprehensive list speaks volumes.
Not surprised
I never expected Rubio and Flynn to play together this year, they probably never will.
It's a good thing, long term
Wolves WILL suck this year (with or without him), and we’ll get a high pick in a supposedly deeper draft, all whilst seeing what we have in both Flynn and Rubio , without sacrificing minutes for either of them. It’s likely Rubio flourishes, then our rights to him become even a more valuable commodity (to trade or keep).
Now do the Wolves keep Atkins, or look for point guard depth elsewhere?
AS confirms the 3.5 million Euro offer by Barcelona. Joventut still has to decide.
http://www.as.com/baloncesto/articulo/barca-presenta-dkv-oferta-35/dasbal/20090826dasdasbal_1/Tes
But they seemed very willing to give up Rubio if they get a better buyout offer.
This Catalan newspaper seems to be the first source, reporting an agreement between Barcelona and Joventut
Joventut board meeting on Friday. “Lacking a mere formalism”.
Wait a minute
Doesn’t Rubio have to the sign the contract with Barcelona in order for the transfer to be approved? Or can Joventut just transfer him without consulting him at all?
Also, if Ricky really wants to play in the NBA, one would think that he would wait until the last possible moment to agree to any within Europe transfer deal.
I think the story is not true. It’s just that an offer has been made but no deal has been struck. Maybe that’s wishful thinking.
I would think...
..That Rubio would have to sign the new deal before the transfer could take place or agree to it.
I believe that is true
Which is why he isn’t with Real Madrid
by Cedarpenguin on Aug 26, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
clarification
I believe he would have to sign a new deal. Not necessarily a transfer.
It’s hard to know what leverage they are using on him to get him to sign earlier, but I agree that he wouldn’t lose anything (that we know of) by waiting to sign a new deal with Barcelona until the last second.
by Cedarpenguin on Aug 26, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
for the record I was talking about 1st round draft choices and rudy is only in his first year but i will stand corrected on that. GInobli was a second round draft pick not a number 5 pick in the draft
If that's your point then you need to say that and not add it after the fact.
Beyond that, Kirilenko, Stojakovic, Ilgauskas, Delfino, and Krstic were all first-rounders. Why does it matter that he was the #5?
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 26, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
It took Stojakovic 2 years to come over
And he had a contract that was over. People make a far bigger deal out of this stuff than they should.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Marc. Not Pau who was a #3 pick.
Nowitzki also was a lottery pick who came over immediately, and had no more than the usual rookie problems.
it only states that a team who takes a player 5th has expectations of him that does not exist with a player taken 25th
Does the team have those expectations
Or the fans? I haven’t heard anything from the organization saying that they expect him over here this year. It’s the fans placing those expectations on him.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 26, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Fans have no attention spans
Scroll up, you’ll see the evidence.
Seriously, the tradeoffs here involved foregoing extended relationships with Mike Miller and Randy Foye in exchange for the rights to Rubio. I like those guys, and yes I mean both of them, but they weren’t worth Rubio’s rights now, or in one year, or in two or even three years.
you are placing way too
much positive hype on Curry. Huge assumption on your part.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
besides
Curry want to play point too. Or has everyone forgotten that? HE IS NOT A SG (at least in his mind)
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
You don’t speak for everybody, so don’t try. There are posters on this board who are okay with the way this has played out.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 26, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
also worth noting most all of the above players were taken by playoff teams contending for titles not a team with 24 wins who struggles to sell tickets, and I am not the only one here who thinks that if Rubio does not come over this year this is a bad deal for the wolves and not to good for the NBA either
The spanish media has put out so much bullshit reporting regarding rubio
I don’t believe this story at all
by TonyO on Aug 26, 2009 11:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Apologies..
I meant personally I would like to see Rubio here and now because I don’t want to pay the or we signed Farvvve so our tickets are 5 times as expensive rate the the Target Center will eventually have. I would like to see the 18 yo throwing up alley oops to SG that the Wolves eventually get this year and watch them run around like my toy poodle.
Really for the Wolves this is the best thing for them…because it’s free and he will be 25 looking for that great extenetion that we should be able to sign him to — this is assuming that he pans out as the great Spanish PG that he has showed up until this point. No Flynn intended.
Flynn will be a beast….I said it!
Listen I love Rubio and want for him to be the next pistol pete, but in 20 years the wolves have 1 good draft and a couple marginal ones. I’m not going to drink the Kahn cool aid because he says he will develop in 2 years. 2 years, this is the wolves at thier rate we will be on our 3rd Kahn era coach by then. I was excited Rubio/Flynn to me = hope. Rubio in europe = hope maybe someday later, like Joe smith signings. I follow the wolves, want them badly to do well, but they haven’t earned my cool aid drinking rights yet, thats all I’m saying
yes....
but with a different GM. Don’t assume that history will always repeat itself with different players. There is no intrinsic fate to each franchise…only certain management/decision makers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You want him to be Pistol Pete?
Maravich’s hair may have resembled Rubio’s ‘do, but their games aren’t alike at all. Rubio’s even said so himself.
Same as deal with Real Madrid?
Is this only saying the same thing that happened with Real Madrid. That the clubs have an agreement (as soon as its finalized/formalized) but that Ricky would have to sign off on it?
Wouldn’t Fegan get involved at this point to keep Rubio from signing until the last possible minute in hopes that he can raise enough US endorsements to make the move to the NBA? Fegan gets paid a lot more if he comes over now. Seems like Rubio could hold off on signing until he knows for sure he isn’t going to get a better offer?
Maybe he already does …
He's not
He would have to not be under contract with a team for an entire year. I guess from that perspective, this deal reduces those chances to almost nothing.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 26, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
He has to sit out from basketball ball an entire year
with no pay.
And then he can only re-enter the draft ONCE. After that, he’s the rights of that team forever.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Not on the ledge
Count me among those who think Rubio playing over there for 2 years is fine.
- better draft picks in mean time
- first contract (the cheap one) is more in his prime years so better value
Yes, it could mean he never comes over or something else awful happens, but I think this is okay. I’d prefer to have him here just for the entertainment value for us fans, but I’m interested in the long-term of the franchise and him being here or not has little impact on that.
One request though, for people like CW: please stop tossing around the “Kahn kool aid” insult to those who disagree with you. Surely the quality and quantity of commentary on this site has convinced you by now that people here are thoughtful about T-Wolves matters and we don’t take popular opinion or the GM’s side in things – we think for ourselves.
I'm not insulting anyone.
I’m being realistic.
by College Wolf on Aug 26, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Kahn having said that Rubio staying over two years is the worst case scenario, I believe YOU are the one drinking the Kahn Kool-Aid! HA! How you like them apples??
Thank you
I can’t speak for others, but I watched closely all of the 50-win seasons and first-round exits. I don’t want that team any more, so I’m willing to give this guy a couple of years before passing judgment on him. He has nothing to do with what’s happened in the past 5 years. He’ll deserve criticism if this team is still a 20-win team in two years, but at this point, everything is just in progress.
As for “being realistic,” I would argue that I’m also being realistic, as are many others on this board. That is such a relative term that for anyone to say only they are being realistic is wrong and condescending.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 26, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Not that you said that outright
But saying “there’s a lot of Kahn Kool-Aid drinking going on here” implies that many of the posters on here are doing so, which is debatable.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 26, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It's understandable
Ricky pushed hard to play in the NBA, he sued his team and after the draft, with the fifth pick and a low-marketed team he couldn’t afford playing in the NBA. Most people in Spain wanted him playing in the NBA, but the buyout wasn’t affordable, and DKV didn’t want to facilitate his way to the NBA. Barcelona is a good team, but I’m sorry because I wanted him playing in Minnesota, but it was impossible. His new buyout will drop in 2011 making it affordable, and will be lower each year. Be patient, he’ll be a Timberwolf.
well I’m not going to color this as happy news. This is not major league baseball here. I am not dancing in the streets with joy and 2 years in NBA time is a long, long, long time. especially given the wolves history. These issues need to be worked out before a player declares for the draft. That would be my rule. If you can’t play in the NBA the next year you are unable to be taken in the first round. I know that sounds extreme, but thats my opinion on it.
Saw that. Surprise surprise. If thats the case, my apologies for offending anyone. Good banter today.
Well if this is true, and he comes over, I am looking forward to watching the chatter around here, and how it may change. Sounds like there will be a little disappointment if he actually leaves Spain for the Wolves…
Hey, I’m a fan just like everyone else, I’d be totally psyched for that first game. I definitely think it’d be better if he stayed over and came at age 20, but you can pick positives out of his coming now. I think they’re outweighed by the positives of more experience, but yeah, I’d be totally psyched.
The argument seem to be either
Against:
1. You didn’t like the draft in the first place…so this just makes it worse.
2. You actually believe that Rubio doesn’t want to play in MN (MN is not Memphis) and this just raises that specter for you.
3. You don’t like any of the wolves moves and this is just an opportunity to say I told you so.
4. Fewer tickets are sold, and papa taylor loses a little money in the short term (…the HORROR..or wait I am not the owner)
For:
1. Get to save money now…and later on cheaper contract during prime.
2. Flynn get more PT now so we know what we have.
Let me know if I missed any.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions
It also delays the return on Ricky, basically ensuring a top pick next year, then allows us to add his top 5 talent to a team that shouldn’t be pulling in that type of talent. I.E. In two years we will hopefully be good enough that our pick (from that year) will be in the 10-20 range, but we’ll still be be able to count on a potential stud coming over. In that sense, it’s another step to help us avoid the dreaded middle ground that many teams fall into where they become good enough to challenge for a late playoff spot but not good enough to win a championship and are stuck with commensurate picks, giving them essentially no way to get good enough to truly compete. I don’t see this happening to the Wolves, what with Rubio developing abroad and another top pick coming next year.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
The real "Best case" scenario
Is that he does now come over him 2 (although I’m hoping PSR’s link to yahoo’s twitter is correct). But what then? If Flynn is playing well, does he come over to be a backup? Do we hand the starting role to the rookie and put Flynn on the back burner? I’m not arguing that this is a bad problem to have, my question is how much does Flynn’s play in the next few years play into his decision to come over? Clearly he would want to be a starter, but we can’t guarantee him that in 2 years.
Flynn doesn't
seem like the type to me to complain about a partial second fiddle. He seems to have the same type of head on his shoulders that Love has. Let’s just win and all that.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He does seem like a quality guy...
But it would be pretty insulting to hand the guy the reins for 2 years and then pull them back if he is playing well. As stated before, I really hope we have this problem. Having to switch to Ricky because Flynn doesn’t pan out isn’t very appealing. Struggling to decide what to do with two good point guards, great problem. And for the record, I still hope we struggle with that problem this year.
by Cedarpenguin on Aug 26, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
you just
make Rubio and Flynn play a couple practice series for the starting gig. if he earns it…what you complainin about?
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
In light of all of this.....
I still can’t help but chuckle while imagining McHale working through this debacle…Imagine it (assuming he drafted Rubio). Disaster.
I just saw the Hero of Hibbing
at MSP ordering a California Pizza. He looked tanned and well-rested, and as if he didn’t have a care in the world.
In other words, just like he looked during the past several offseasons.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
Translation assistance
Just for clarity….
“Dark-green sources recognize that “we are before the last coletazos” of “culebrón”, that is little less than to admit it."
‘coletazos’ means a fish flopping its tail and the phrase means, essentially, the last gasp or last attempt – like a dying fish flopping on the boat floor. Culebron is soap opera. So they are saying, though they don’t want to admit it, this is basically the end of these melodramatic negotiations.
I just added this because I think it adds to the thought that Barcelona is applying pressure to La Penya through Marca (normally a Madrid positive paper, I think).
(678): Words of Wisdom: ordering a pitcher of whiskey cokes, putting a straw in it, and calling it your drink is not socially acceptable
A big spanish radio station just announced...
… that DKV Joventut is delaying the signature waiting for a Minnesota proposal…
Good luck guys.
Sergio Free!
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