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Laimbeer and Theus- New Assistants


I gotta say I love this staff.  Theus has been a decent NBA Coach, Wohl has the PG pedigree and Laimbeer the big man pedigree.  I couldn't think of a better combo considering who was on the market.   I think Dean Copper could also make a very nice transition to the Wolves Front Office (Especially since he came from Houston's). 

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http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/56130622.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7DYaGEP7vDEh7P:DiUs

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Interesting

It will be interesting to see how the roles all sift out. It certainly seems like all these guys have plenty of experience and knowledge of the game which should help us in the ‘best at player development’ department. I do hope that Rambis is the clear cook in the kitchen here, as there’s a lot of head coaching experience surrounding him, and to look at it more cynically—a lot of guys potentially using this only to angle for their own new gigs (Theus and Laimbeer).

Now, I’m not saying that that’s what they’re doing, nor do I think that they are going to put their own interests above Rambis’ or the team. I hope they stick around longer than a year.

Anybody have a sense of what role each will take on? I seem to remember someone posting before a breakdown of what coach teaching what area—Rambis (or Laimbeer) big men, Wohl point guards, etc. Does this mean Rambis will retain his ‘defensive’ coordinating speciality? Are any of these guys offensive guys—who’s going to spearhead that?

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Aug 29, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I would have to think that our current team

minus Brewer, is already focused on offense enough. ;-)
I could definitely see one or two of them leaving in a year, but there are only 30 jobs out there! And the list of head coach candidates that come ahead of these guys in the pecking order is extensive… possibly more than 30!
We should try to figure out who is all out there right now… Mark Jackson, The Little General, and Kevin McHale (still would probably make a good head coach) are the only ones I can think of not currently holding an assistant position of some sort, but there are also a lot of assistants and a few more I know I am missing that remain unemployed.

by Mplax on Aug 29, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that that angle is worth watching, but this is different than when McHale made Casey hire Wittman as an assistant. If they don’t do what they’re here to do, they’ll be gone before Rambis is, IMO.

Specialty-wise, I’m sure Rambis will be involved on both sides but maybe just implement his system and let the other guys run it on a day-to-day basis. If I had to guess, I’d say Wohl and Theus would be more related to the offensive side and Laimbeer to defense, but he’ll probably spend some time working with Love’s pick-and-pop and 3-point shooting.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 30, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I had to guess, I’d say Laimbeer’s role will be resident Jack Donaghy impersonator.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Aug 31, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

I seriously can’t express how excited I am for the Wolves. Just think what this will even do for FA next year when people see that we are on the map for big names now. It’s all about precendence. I mean, who else has their Big Three on the bench? Can we call it that? Will “The Big Bench” be acceptable or is that just a bad connotation?

by Mplax on Aug 29, 2009 11:50 PM CDT reply actions  

God i'm so pumped for this season...Big Al was on my flight from Boston to Minneapolis today..

Sat and talked Basketball with him for about an hour…nice guy. I can’t wait to watch Big Al, K Love, Jonny Flynn and Ricky Rubio on the same floor!

by TonyO on Aug 30, 2009 2:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Cool

Any insight on his recovery from the injury? Did you give him any pointers about his D or how to draw more fouls!? J/K.

by Rascal Flatts on Aug 30, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

Seems like there could be a lot of ego in this staff.

by Eric in Madison on Aug 30, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Have to think Rambis is aware of this.

It says something that he had the confidence/moxie to pick an “A” team, rather than pack the bench with weaker personalities.

by Punisher#8 on Aug 30, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rambis, I ain't getting on no plane.

I hate Pod Six. I don't even know why we have a Pod Six. Total suck pod.

by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Aug 30, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

On the contrary

I think he picked someone very much like himself. Strong intellect, weak people skills. I think this shows immaturity as a coach.

by Django Z on Aug 30, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like both coaches.

I’m excited for the Wolves. I was afraid of some of Kahn’s move, but you should have an entertaining season.

Also Known as "4D" one step beyond 3D

by daddydai on Aug 30, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

that’s got to be one of the more talented assistant coaching staffs in the league. now you just need to fill the hole at the wings and this team has plenty to be excited about. this should be a good omen for the year. best of luck.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 30, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

You're right

They’d certainly beat any other collection of assistants in a pick game of 5 on 5.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Aug 30, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well of course I am a Laker homer, but Kareem, Brian Shaw, and Craig Hodges ain't bad......especially when we still had Rambis.

Good luck by the way. I was glad to see Rambis get a head coaching job, he has certainly earned it. I think the most important thing about the Rambis, Theus, and Laimbeer triumvirate is respect. I think younger players have more respect to coaches that have had experience playing, especially championship experience. Also each of these three were considered fairly tough in their day.

Other than when you play the Lakers, I wish you good luck this season.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Aug 31, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Against the Lakers, I’m not sure luck’s ognna make much of a difference, so cut us some slack :)

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Sep 1, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

This also means

that if Hoiberg hangs on, they could arguably field five guys from the coaching staff and front office who would be competitive with the Bobby Brown/Carney/Rhino/Cardinal/Collins line-up.

Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009

by PoorDick on Aug 30, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Kick a$$. This really is looking more and more like we’re going to establish a winning culture. Get excited people

We got Rubio!

by Wim (Belgium) on Aug 30, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

This is Bad - Really, Really Bad

I have been pretty on high on Kahn’s moves so far and I was reasonably pleased with Rambis being named a coach…BUT, the word on the stress is that Rambis can be one of those annoying, always harping on what isn’t working type of coaches. Very negative, very critical and not the kind of person that people will follow.

Laimbeer is very bright, so is Rambis, but I think Laimbeer is even smarter. And again Bill’s biggest weakness is he’s overly critical. Alot of very smart people are like this – they see things so clearly they don’t understand why others don’t see it. Great thinkers or designers, often very poor leaders or teachers.

Check out this ESPN OTL piece on Laimbeer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFe57BHQno

Notice how many of his players on the Shock are interviewed and say what a great coach he is. Zero.

I predict that Laimbeer and Rambis will be very unliked pretty quickly and that the T-Wolves will implode. Players will start to complain, free agents won’t want to come here and above all else players will not develop very well.

The team will also be well prepared and disciplined and smart about the Xs and Os. But that won’t counteract the bad.

$%#@!

I am not one to overreact normally but this has bad juju written all over it and the worst part is that the fallout will take years to unfold.

I hope I am completely wrong and that Laimbeer and Rambis have reigned in the detrimental parts of their personalities. But my 15 years in management/leadesrhip training and development says no – they will not change enough fast enough. Especially when they have new positions of authority.

by Django Z on Aug 30, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

We already tried the "likable guy" angle. His name was Kevin McHale.

And who cares how many Shock players refer to him as a great coach? How many of those players did he coach to championships? Oh, all of them? 3 championships?

It’s the same game. I, for one, am thrilled we got Lambeer. Great player, great coach, McHale hates his guts. What’s not to love?

by princelyfrank on Aug 30, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where do you get the notion that Rambis has weak people skills and is annoying? He was assinged to defense on the lakers team and doesn’t really sound like they tuned him out .. so where is there any hint of people not liking him?

Both of these guys are winners, to win you have to have your players on the same page, so don’t see why you’d think these guys won’t get our players motivated.

We got Rubio!

by Wim (Belgium) on Aug 30, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rosen and Jackson are very good friends (they’ve written two books together; read More Than a Game to see how close they actually are), and Rambis isn’t part of Jackson’s “club” of assistants like Tex Winter, Frank Hamblen, Jim Cleamons, and Brian Shaw are. Rosen also wrote an article on Ron Artest that in a lot of ways rehashed an article on the same subject on ESPN.com, which is a hallmark of lazy journalism.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 30, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grain of salt

If we’ve learned anything this summer, isn’t it that ‘news reports’ are frequently as much about generating controversy and interest for a few days as they are about the truth?

Hey—let’s trade Ricky Rubio to NY because they deserve him!

Hey—there are idiots on the Vikings who think TJax is better than Favre, despite 9 starters saying—and Tarvaris himself—saying that they are behind Favre (whether or not you like #4 isn’t the point here—a completely made up story getting national coverage is).

Rambis sounds like an infectiously optimistic and enthusiastic gym rat to me, and you’ve got to work hard to be great. Are you really going to win championships with players who put themselves before the team? One could argue that Wittman’s approach failed because Wittman failed to put his players in positions to succeed, and thus his hyper-critical-ness didn’t add anything positive because it simply beat players down for not being what Wittman needed. There is a world of difference between that and being hyper-critical when you’re helping that player become everything they can be. I think that’s partly why the players responded better to McHale—I don’t think he was any less critical in practice than Wittman was, they just understood that McHale always had their best interests at heart in developing as a players and a team.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Aug 30, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read the Charley Rosen article & was struck by this:

He puts a knock on Rambis as a coach, no question. But that is not all…

Here are the other people that he puts a knock on in one short column:

LeBron James, unapologetic

Rick Pitino, sex scandal

Don Nelson, bad coach “junk ball”

Stephon Marbury (ok, well deserved),

Quentin Richardson, needs some self examination ( before the trade to Miami, obviously),

Allan Iverson, selfish & washed up

Ron Artest, strange (but unspecified) underwear habits and bad reputation in general

Bill Simmons, not as careful a journalist as Rosen because he scooped Rosen

Of all those named in this post, here is one person that I would most not want to be like:

Charley Rosen —
ok, maybe he is even with Marbury, but Rosen’s example of cheap shot journalism is disgusting.

Rambis comes out smelling like a rose compared to Rosen

by timmuggs on Aug 31, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I get what you're saying...

But think you’re advocating a worst-case scenario. I read the Charley Rosen piece about Rambis, and he did say it was possible that Rambis can change his habits a little bit. I’m also a bit wary of what Rosen says because he’s buddies with Phil Jackson. Personally, I think it’s possible Rambis was playing the heavy because it was necessary to keep a talented team focused. It’s a bit worrying, yes, but I’m willing to give it a shot. If he or the others don’t work, they’ll dump them after a couple of years, and in between, the team doesn’t have to worry about keeping their own free agents because they control the process for the guys they’d want to keep.

Also, not all assistants are necessarily “people persons.” From reading the Jack McCallum book about the 05-06 Suns, it was very obvious that some assistants focused on working with players and some were focused on Xs and Os. Wittman is a good example of this; he would seem to be a lot like Laimbeer, and he was part of some very successful teams. There needs to be balance, but it’s too simplistic to say that highly-intelligent people are often substandard teachers, and teams needs good systems and good strategies as much as they need good teachers.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 30, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rosen is a character

And I do take some of what he writes with a grain of salt. But both Shaq and Kobe are not fans of Rambis and when he had his shot (albeit years ago) he lost control and threw up his hands. Coupled with what Rosen wrote these are not good signs. I’m taking the Laimbeer hiring as one more step down that path and thus my concern.

I read McCallum’s book on the Suns as well – great read. I came away with alot more respect for D’Antoni and a strong sense I would never want Marion or Amare on my team.

I think D’Antoni, Jackson and Pops are top coaches in the league. They have the smarts and the connection to their players, they know when to push and when to pull back.

Being a coach in the NBA is VERY DIFFICULT. The egos of athlete millionaires are well documented as being challenging to manage. You can’t just demand that they do something, there has to be some buy in on their part, some aspiration to something more or they have to have their own internal work ethic or high standard.

If Rambis and Laimbeer fail at this they will be in a long line of bright people who have failed. I’m just concerned that they have some red flags already that maybe should have kept Kahn from making this decision. But I didn’t get to interview them or the people who worked with them. Maybe there is more to the stories.

If nothing else this should add some drama to the proceedings. :)

by Django Z on Aug 31, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are looking wayyyyy to into it

Yeah there are coaches who don’t get along with their players, it’s a fact of the job. But most players can respect their coaches and what they are doing for the team if they see them working hard. Rambis is a guy who will be working hard, guaranteed. It’s his thing. Our players have even said that they are looking forward to working with Rambis, so that’s a good sign right there (obviously it could be partially the whole “this is what I am supposed to say” thing, but I think most established NBA players don’t really care about voicing their opinions about their organization. The good media show is usually saved for trades to new organizations… sometimes).

by Mplax on Aug 31, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest I don't know your roster very well, but.........

it seems that you feel the T-Wolves have a lot of prima donnas’s. Is this the case? Or is it just a generalization about NBA players as a whole. I would of course agree about a team like the Nuggets with a lot of really strong personalities, but I am not aware of any issues in MN.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Aug 31, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

No prima donnas

After McCants left we don’t really have any problem players.

I’m thinking just of players in general.

I agree, Rambis and Laimbeer will work hard. Maybe this will all work out – just wanted to share my concerns here.

And hey isn’t “you are looking wayyyyy too into it” the same as in-depth analysis? :) That what I come here for – to read and write this sort of thing with my fellow T-Wolves fans.

by Django Z on Aug 31, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get what you mean...

But there’s a difference between the two. You were looking way too into the potential negatives of having intelligent guys as coaches while not recognizing the potential positives and coming to conclusions that were implausible, like that players would leave in a couple of years when all of the core players are under contract for at least 3-4 more.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 31, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

More than that

I like intelligent coaches. It is the reputation they have – Laimbeer’s is pretty legendary, he’s a prickly dude. Rambis is more limited in scope, but the signs seem to be there.

Players being under contract doesn’t mean they are going to stay or want to stay (witness Jackson at GS), but it usually impacts free agent signings and re-signing players more than anything. That and effort.

I realize my initial post was pretty dire. It was based on a “thin-slice”, but I stand by it. Time will tell.

by Django Z on Aug 31, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe his time in the WNBA softened him up a bit. I’ll try to avoid generalizations, but the fairer sex can be a bit, how shall we say, sensitive and tends not to respond well to prickliness or undue criticism.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Sep 1, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

They don't have to like him

Just respect him and get the job done. I’ll take leadership over likeability any day.

Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.

You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"

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by Auswolf on Aug 30, 2009 7:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is a false argument

EVERYONE will take leadership over likability. That’s not saying anything.

If Rambis and Laimbeer are respected – then great. I don’t think they will be.

And in the NBA, it matters what the players think of the coach. It matters when it comes time to sign as a FA, it matters when they’re out on the floor and decide to run the play or free-lance, it matters when they decide to put in the extra practice or not.

This isn’t college where people like Bobby Knight (scum of the earth that he is) can “lead” through intimidation, smarts and authority.

Like I said in my post above, I think leading in professional sports is a hell of a tough job. I think the bar is pretty high for who can cut it and who can’t.

All I’m saying today: based on what I’ve heard and some gut instinct I bet Rambis and Laimbeer can’t.

by Django Z on Aug 31, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing you've heard is from anyone who matters

and no offense, but neither does your guy instinct.

by Mplax on Aug 31, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is "guy" instinct a typo or a Freudian slip?.............LOL

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Aug 31, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe just a finger slip

They are right next to each other on the keyboard, sorry, next time I will spell check just for you

by Mplax on Aug 31, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Settle down my man.......not disrespecting your typing or spelling....

I just thought it sounded funny or ironic. As in guys have big guts. No one has a sense of humor anymore……

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Aug 31, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

A friendly wager?

If your instinct is that this will work out then let’s put a friendly wager on it. :)

by Django Z on Aug 31, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be tough to bet on

especially since we don’t know each other and could only bet respect points. I’d be willing to bet 8 respect points on it though.
So you win if the players come out and say they don’t like Rambis and/or Laimbeer and I win if everything else?

by Mplax on Aug 31, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds about right

8 respect points it is.

To be held in an escrow account for 2 years, that way they’ll earn a little interest while we see how this plays out.

And yes – I’m predicting we hear reports that more than one player is pretty unthrilled with Laimbeer or Rambis, to the point that it becomes a column topic for local writers.

by Django Z on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the second year is pretty much a non issue

If anything happens, it’s gonna be come sometime around January when our squad is struggling and people are angry and looking for someone to blame.

by Mplax on Sep 1, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is a middle

between “overly likable” and “hated” – I’m afraid Laimbeer and Rambis will be in the hated category.

Maybe I’ll be wrong – I hope so.

But watch for what the players say and don’t say, how they peform and if they re-sign here. We’ll know alot more in the next two years.

by Django Z on Aug 30, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

The guy won three championships

I’m not worried about him at all.

by ckb on Aug 31, 2009 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't Laimbeer the son of a CEO of a major corporation?

That should be a pretty good background in his home life, I would think.

by timmuggs on Aug 31, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that explains his sense of entitlement.

I hate Pod Six. I don't even know why we have a Pod Six. Total suck pod.

by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Aug 31, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cooper left the Rockets so he could have the opportunity to coach.

by wayno on Aug 31, 2009 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

The guy I am pumped to get is Laimbeer. He has won championships as both a player and a coach. He is better-prepared than Mark Jackson to be an NBA head coach. Rambis showed a lot of guts when he hired him.

by Dave T on Aug 31, 2009 9:49 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I am willing to

take a wait and see approach with whether this is too many introverts on the bench. Being one myself, I know from experience that you simply have to be aware of it and work around its limitations. As long as they are only that way in practice and let the players play during the game without getting all controlling and pissed off…they will be fine. I think the thing that pisses off players the most is when they are being told what play to run for the entire game. That doesn’t work in the NBA anymore.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 31, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

I don’t think that Laimbeer is even an introvert, and I’d guess Theus isn’t, either, considering his lengthy TV career before going into coaching. But with every coaching staff, there are the guys who are more player-oriented and the ones who are more strategy-oriented. Of course there’s overlap, but I’d be surprised if, say, Tom Thibodeau had any pet player projects with the Celtics like Clifford Ray did with Kendrick Perkins. If they bring back Bickerstaff, that’s another player-oriented guy.

Also, it’s obvious that Laimbeer and Theus want to be head coaches in the NBA again; it’s why they took this job. If they can’t do what Kahn wants them to do (develop players and be good strategically), they won’t be getting hired as a lead assistant somewhere else or as a head coach somewhere else. Simply put, they have a motivation to work well with these players.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 31, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

They certainly do have motivation to be at their best.

I just want to lay some money on “Laimbeer will be gone in two years or less and the stories about him being a difficult to work with prick who players didn’t want to learn from will be widespread”.

by Django Z on Aug 31, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fact-check
Theus has been a decent NBA Coach

Liar.

I think Rambis is a strong enough personality to handle this staff, but I also wouldn’t be shocked if someone quit or was asked to quite by midseason. Laimbeer and Theus will brawl at some point.

by Tom Ziller on Aug 31, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Whoa

Flashbacks to the Princess Bride.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Aug 31, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't want to question you about the Kings

Although

-Winning 38 games in Theus’ only full-season considering injuries to Ron Artest and Kevin Martin keeping them out of a good number of games makes it fair to say Theus did a decent job. I think it’s hard to say they underachieved given their talent.

Granted-they struggled at the start of this season. Although injuries were still a factor- the reality is Theus seemed to get more of the Kings than most coaches would have.

by Jose Cordoba on Aug 31, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Those Kings teams were awful

but I don’t know how much I’d blame Theus on. Injuries and a lack of talent will doom even the best coach. Hopefully, that’s not what people will be saying about Rambis in five years.

by aarendsvark on Aug 31, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I watched every game

and I’m telling you, they won in spite of Theus in 2007-08. He didn’t run anything for his best offensive player (Martin) and he never figured out how to use Francisco Garcia (a player he coached in college). He let Chuck Person devise and run his defense! Chuck Person! He blamed the media and (!) bloggers for the team’s failure.

The Kings won more games in 2008 than 2007 because a) Musselman was such a complete and utter disaster and b) Brad Miller was in the best shape of his life thanks to a hard offseason program from Kings strength and conditioning coach Daniel Shapiro. Theus was not a good coach.

by Tom Ziller on Aug 31, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Theus, really? I’m usually negative/realistic, but he’s not a good coach. I concur.

by College Wolf on Aug 31, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will say...

that I think Laimbeer will be a decent Assistant Coach hiring, but I’m really glad he’s not our Head Coach.

by College Wolf on Aug 31, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d also say that about Theus … glad they’re not our head coach but definitly good assistant material

We got Rubio!

by Wim (Belgium) on Aug 31, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

What exactly is wrong with Theus from a coaching perspective? Curious.

by WallyW0rld on Aug 31, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

not being succesfull and also, not being from a winning culture

We got Rubio!

by Wim (Belgium) on Sep 1, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well the issue

Isn’t that your never going to find fault in Coaches. Every Coach can be criticized quite a bit in hindsight. When I said Theus was a Decent NBA Coach ((Which I stand by) )although I admit I’m arguing with a fellow who is a way greater Kings mind than me.) it was based on the premise of what you get out of the talent at hand.

The Kings one full season- they didn’t underachive by any stretch of the imagination. When every coach (Musselman, Theus, Natt) is allegedly terrible than the issues seem to boil down more to talent.

by Jose Cordoba on Aug 31, 2009 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Too many former players?

I think Django is being a little bit over dramatic, but he does have a point. Does a coaching staff of former high profile players work? Can someone cite instances where it worked and where it didn’t?

by DR_JPK on Aug 31, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't call these guys former "high profile players"

It just seems like their profiles are due to their coaching careers as much as their playing ones. Rambis had some exposure because he was the only white starter with an added hook (the glasses), interim coach, and assistant coach for a “glamor” franchise, Laimbeer has some because he was on title teams and a successful WNBA coach who had a brief run as a studio analyst on ESPN, and Theus has it because he was a TV analyst (and Saturday-morning TV star (?)) for almost a decade before entering coaching.

I get what you’re saying, but when I think “high profile players,” I see more of the perennial all-star type (Laimbeer and Theus were All-Stars but not perennial ones) like Isiah Thomas, Kareem, and Larry Bird. These assistants weren’t great players, so their egos weren’t stroked to the same extent when they played.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 31, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Points

True, both Rambis and Laimbeer were role players on great teams. Maybe a better question is how do Theus and Laimbeer adjust to being assistant coaches after being head coaches? To answer my own question, I would guess Laimbeer would be thrilled to be in the NBA after the WNBA for several years. Theus is a little bigger question mark to me. But from an outsiders view, I thought he did an excellent job in Sacramento considering the roster he was coaching…

by DR_JPK on Aug 31, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's more to the point.

I don’t know what the answer is. It’s in their best interests to be good assistants as much as they are good coaches. If there’s tension between either/both of them and Rambis, my guess is that Kahn sides with Rambis and gets rid of them.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 31, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well last year the Lakers had...

Jackson, Brian Shaw, Rambis, Kareem, and Craig Hodges.

Not exactly high profile (except Kareem), but I would say they were successful last year. Also a ton of rings between them. (27, 28 maybe)

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by pslakerfan on Aug 31, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

One other point on this...

The only team in the NBA where all of the coaches are former NBA players? The L.A. Clippers. If the Wolves don’t hire any other assistants besides Wohl, Theus, and Laimbeer (sounds like Bickerstaff is still in the mix), they’d be the second.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 31, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read a book about Michael Jordan by Dave Halbertstam,

and I swear I read in that book that Reggie Theus, during a bad Bulls season (before MJ), once ordered pizza from the bench near the end of a game. I couldn’t find any references to it on Google, but I could swear that I read it.

Anybody else read that book/hear that somewhere? I want to know. Because if it’s true, then he’s my favorite Wolves assistant coach ever.

by LoveTo on Aug 31, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I dunno about that, but I googled Theus...

…and he has been in multiple movies, in TV series, game show type situations and a talking head on TV.

He does not seem to me to have the profile of a highly intelligent introvert with his head in a playbook. He must have considerable people skills of some kind to have such a broad background. It does not automatically indicate that he is a shrewd motivator, but he is unlikely to be a constant critic.

I like the fact that both Rambis and Laimbeer were blue collar, lunch bucket type players rather than marquee athletes.

by timmuggs on Aug 31, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, wow the wolves got themselves a great staff. ramis and laimbeer? wow. the wolves could be a gritty team next season.

by chaucer on Sep 6, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

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