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Beaten to it
Both Grover M and wyn teed this one up before I finished it.
I’m surprised they did this, as it seems like a Ricky Davis redux in that the Mavs are likely to match unless the deal is structured in a way that they don’t (and I doubt they’d do that for Hollins). If someone sees a link for contract terms, feel free to post it. If they don’t match, it makes sense from a basketball standpoint. Hollins’ TS%, eFG%, and Block% are all high, and he looks like a mobile big guy who can block shots and play off of the ball. His rebounding % isn’t high, but that’s not as big of a deal with Jefferson and Love on the team. At worst, he’s bizarro Pecherov — doesn’t have an offensive game but doesn’t take bad shots either, average rebounder for his size, decent-to-good shotblocker. Either way, this is more a roster-balancing move than anything else.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 3, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah...
..someone should just go ahead and delete that post.
I like this move because he is young with some upside. Fits right in with a team who professes to be in the player development business. Low risk/High reward. Not bad.
Wonder what Cuban is going to do, if anything.
You can do that...
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by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 3, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like a good fit
From Holinger’s player profile
2007-08 season: Hollins looked more like a real, live basketball player in his second pro season, using his running and leaping ability to get transition buckets and periodically unleashing spectacular dunks — most notably a vicious throwdown on Toronto’s Jamario Moon.
However, much of his work came from the free-throw line. Surprisingly, Hollins ranked fourth among centers in free-throw attempts per field-goal attempt, and he improved to 67.1 percent from the stripe.
However, he’ll have to improve his rebounding to stay in the rotation. Hollins ranked 60th among the league’s 65 centers in rebound rate, and was 64th on the defensive boards. On a positive note, he drew 11 offensive fouls in 532 minutes, which is very solid work and indicates he’s not just running around trying to swat everything anymore.
Of course, that foul data cuts both ways. Hollins’ rate of 7.22 personals per 40 minutes was the third-highest in the league.
Scouting report: Hollins is 7 feet tall and a plus athlete who can run the floor and jump, the type of guy who would go 12th in the draft if he was a Serbian 19-year-old. He uses those skills to score in transition, but has too many holes in his game to be effective in the half court. In particular, a lack of muscle holds him back, as he’s easily pushed away from the basket and hasn’t shown much willingness to dive into the fray.
Defensively, he’s potentially excellent because of how well he moves for his size. He can leap and block shots and handle screen-and-roll switches, and he’s a very useful player in traps. However, he needs to bulk up to handle post defense and keep opponents off the glass — the main reason he picks up so many fouls.
Gotta like the last part. And that scouting report was from 2 years ago when his stats were worse than last year (13 vs. 11.47 PER). Very small sample size, but I like this move a lot because it shows Kahn is aware of what we need and looking to round out the team.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
Wish we knew the terms of the offer
Hollins hasn’t ever really played in either Charlotte or Dallas, and I must confess I have no memory of him from UCLA.
He did get a little run for Dallas in the playoffs, though. The one thing that sticks out is that he is a foul machine. Basically commits a foul every 5 minutes of playing tine.
by Eric in Madison on Aug 3, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions
what we do know is
last year, Hollins made $972,581. He made $687,456 [minimum] in Charlotte the year before, according to Patty Bender’s site:
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/misc/salaries09.txt
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/misc/salaries08.txt
Patty tries to keep salary data and contract info for all players and teams. She’s also a Mavs fan.
Meanwhile, from the salary cap FAQ:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q37
Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the average salary (see question number 24). Limiting the first year salary in this way guarantees that the player’s original team will be able to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable — see question number 19), or Mid-Level exception (provided they haven’t used it already).
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The second year salary in such an offer sheet is limited to the standard 8% raise. The third year salary can jump considerably — it is allowed to be as high as it would have been had the first year salary not been limited by this rule to the average salary. Raises (and decreases) after the third season are limited to 6.9% of the salary in the third season. The offer sheet can only contain the large jump in the third season if it provides the maximum salary allowed in the first two seasons. In addition, the offer must be guaranteed and cannot contain bonuses of any kind.
Thus, the maximum that the Wolves are allowed to offer is $5.8M this year — highly unlikely.
I Like the Signing
Better Back up Center to Big Al than Pecherov will be…Lets just hope the Mavericks don’t match..which I don’t think they will with both Eric Dampier and now BJ Mullens ahead of him on the depth chart..but you never know.
Mullens is with OKC...
The Mavs drafted him for the Hijackers and traded him for Roddy Beaubois.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 3, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Anthony whoo????
Sounds like a better bet than that Randolph fellow.
And if Dallas matches, it helps to push Dallas over the cap. Smart move. Interesting if they keep both Mullens & Hollins, cuz Hollins will probably be better.
And even more interesting if Hollins ends up here, as it means that Mullens woulda been a dumb pick for us.
And what about Garrett SIler
who’s game is the antithesis of Hollins?
Hollins is supposed to be a running man.
Draw your own conclusions.
Well
The Wolves added a likely middle 1st round pick in next year’s draft, which is expected to be deeper, with that trade. Mullens might have more long-term upside than Hollins, but probably won’t be better than him this season or next.
by Krotz the Wall on Aug 3, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Jordan and Mullens...
… what’s the thought process of McHale passing on Jordan and Kahn passing on Mullens? To me, each seemed like a no brainer with a mid- or low first round pick (high upside at a position of need; relatively low risk position in the draft). Obviously neither guy was polished and both might have some lingering attitude issues, but again: low risk, high reward, position of need. Those are the factors that should matter. Now we have to pine for DeAndre and sign Hollins because our GMs have refused to draft athletic projects, which is exactly what Hollins is (except that Hollins appears to have less upside). I find these decisions among the most frustrating of any made by McHale and Kahn (and there have been many, many frustrating moves over the years). At any rate, I’d think Mullens would be more valuable to us at this point than the first rounder we got back for Lawson, but maybe I’ll be wrong. What do others think?
It will be a while,
before we get an idea of what that first rounder could be worth. I like the idea of the Wolves have multiple 1st rounders next year, especially if we have our lottery pick and potentially two in the mid to upper teens. Who knows what those options could turn into? Sure, Mullens has upside and he is very much a project. Hollins will be a back up center, and probably a cheap one, and one that also has some upside.
by Krotz the Wall on Aug 3, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
If they want a project with the pick they get from Charlotte, they could draft Solomon Alabi/Greg Monroe next year. I don’t have a problem with not drafting projects because athletic players don’t have to be projects. I’m not sure whether Alabi or Monroe would’ve been more pro-ready than Mullens, but they probably would’ve been drafted before him, and one of them will probably be there with the Charlotte pick if they get it next year.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 3, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed with Shogun
the DeAndre thing was especially stupid because it was the 34th pick in the draft, and his athleticism is so rare for a player that big.
Byron Mullens would’ve been nice at 18, but given that the pick we get in return might be higher than that, in a better draft, it doesn’t bother me as much as the 2008 blunder with Jordan. In any case, the consistent passing up on 7-footers with low draft picks is frustrating—especially when our wish list each year is a shotblocking presence.
Woo-hoo! A center who can run the court!
He’d better be able to catch the long bomb from Love. Even if the defense runs back, Collins will still be open.
I can't remember
For some reason, I think I had picked up Hollins in a deep fantasy league last year….does that mean that when he gets minutes, he produces? If so, it’s a good pickup.
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can i hear a poor man's Tyson Chandler?
Just a thought.. now that we have Hollins… (ready the “in your face” posters!)
Why not grab adam morrison too?? we do need shooters.. right?? plus it won’t be that much hard.. coz, he doesn’t have any playing time with the current Lakers roster.. if he’s still in contract with LA, trade for him trade songaila or maybe cardinal if they’ll accept.. plus 2nd round pick…
i’ve seen this 2 play together.. and they have a 1 -2 punch with their pick and roll plays.. you can check this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdYoap5FYM&feature=related. They would be a great 2nd unit pair!!
I also do like the idea of getting shanon brown.. high energy, athletic, and definitely has talent.. he could be our current answer for the SG spot. (instead of trading for Q and Wilkins)..
maybe
defensive rebound by Love, outlet pass to half court to Flynn, Flynn dishes to Hollins running the floor for the flush. Or maybe he’s just another benchwarmer. Hopefully the former.
i rememba wun game in de playoffs mayn
Ryan Hollins wuz str8 up tearin it up mynn!!!!! he wuz thowed mayn! dat kill mayn! on de real doe mayn i like dis here signing mayn cuz de boi thowed hge can block an rebound mayn an he hustle like ya boi ova here mayn juss finished anotha 15 hour work day mayn time ta fiyah up de kill yal
MAYN HOL UP!
by the way
sounds like mavs fans really wanted him to stay, even though he only played like 24 games for them.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=926246
It also sounds like he was asked to put on some weight in the offseason and he did so.
they liked him as a third string center, anyways
Kahn must have watched the same game Maynholup saw.
Got a summary of Hollins from a Mavs fan in my neck of the woods....
The bad news:
- He has no discernible basketball skills
-He is 50 lbs too light for the center position and is monstered in the post and on the boards
-he is a jumping jack but will jump at everything and this puts him out of position for the rebound too often. Hasnt got very good timing on blocks
The good news:
-Can run the floor with any center
-Wants to throw down whenever he can. he puts up no soft floaters.
-Overall, well above average shotblocker
-Good mover laterally, and able to switch on to guards
-he’s very aggressive and takes it right up to bigger players.
Overall 7mil/3yr is a good investment for him. He provides a nice change up to your Love/Jefferson front court. To be honest I dont think he ever becomes anything more than the 12mpg highlights reserve, but you might as well take a chance.
I’ve probably come off as too negative. You got a very good speculative deal. He has all the athletic tools, apparently is a hard worker.
If he can put it all together (I am very sketical of athlete-basketballers, in general) then he will be a very good player.
And he will get the Wolves in a few sportscenter top 10s.
Only cowards pray for rain.
Publicity always helps. All the more so when it gets Flynn screen time before the ROY voting throwing up some tasty for the some nasty from Hollins.
by Zev on Aug 4, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
not convinced
Fast breaks in the NBA take 2 to 3 seconds so it’s impossible for a center on the defensive boards can get out to take that pass. While I agree there was a need, there were other options earlier on, two of which I was pushing when I still cared about this franchise. DeJuan Blair went to the Spurs at #32 (37?) in the draft – a real steal for a big man who dominated the boards all season and just humiliated #2 pick Thabeet in their matchups. http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/090716_blair.html
He could have been had for considerably LESS money, at either 18 or 28.
The real catch of the season, however, was Chris Wilcox, the veteran center from the Knicks who went to Detroit on July 19th as a FA @$6M for two years (career averages 13 points and 7.2 RPG). Has had some injury problems – a dislocated finger, of all things – but would be one less project on a team that has way too many of them.
I must say that Hollin’s video is entertaining, especially at 2:45 and 3:13 – reminds me of Jamario Moon when he was with the Raptors – but not necessarily what GM’s would look for in an NBA center. He’s certainly quick enough and may work out as more of a 4 than a 5. Both Blair and Wilcox, for example, would just push him around at will near the boards.
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