Rubio to stay in Spain for two more seasons
by PoohRubio on Aug 31, 2009 7:00 PM CDT
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The Minnesota Timberwolves and the NBA will have to wait until 2011 for Ricky Rubio(notes) to leave Europe, a high-level source told Yahoo Sports on Monday night.
Regal of Barcelona has agreed to a six-year contract with Rubio after working out a buyout package with DKV Jovenut of Spain on Monday.
After weeks of haggling, Minnesota Timberwolves GM David Kahn was unable to facilitate a buyout that would’ve brought the fifth pick in the 2009 draft to the NBA this season.
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If this is actually true, I think this is good news for the T-wolves. JFlynn gets his shot at PG and if he strikes out we have a 20 year old Rubio coming for the 2011-2012 season. If Flynn is a star, Rubio’s trade value only goes up playing in Spain.
Its a disappointment
But oh well, this stuff happens. Rubio has a chance for real development playing for Barca (amazing, amazing staff there) when compared to what he had at Joventut.
I was really looking forward to seeing him play over here this year though. Oh well, nothing is signed yet, so well see.
Well, time to get this over with.
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by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Aug 31, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions
He has a new buyout...
… affordable in 2011 but not in 2010. It is supposed to be €1M in 2011 and even lower in 2012, but it’s obvious that it is astronomical in 2010.
I don't
even think there is a buyout in 2010 in the contract. I think the first year he can buyout is 2011.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 2, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Well Folks..From Jonny Flynn's Twitter
somethin huge is going down in minny this week. ya’ll better be ready for it.
Me think’s Rubio’s Rights are being traded to the Knicks.
wtf
to the knicks their whole team wouldnt be enough to trade for rubio
that would be the worst moves in the history in the nba to trade
rubio for those losers
The Rumored Trade by Jerry Zgoda's Twitter
would be a Package involving Center David Lee.
It says David Lee, Nate Robinson, and a 1st round pick for Ricky Rubio.
WHAT? Why would NY ever make that trade????
Aargh
Yahoo is shameless. The headline – total news headline, not the sports one – is ‘NBA team loses out on pick’ with "The Timberwolves’ big gamble on Spain’s Ricky Rubio has gone bust.’ and a link to biggest draft busts of the decade. I am beginning to understand why people seem so misinformed.
And do we want Lee at a big number? He sure as heck isn’t a #1 guy.
Dammit I want Rubio to play for the Wolves, whenever. Kid lost a ton of money if this is true.
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Not a Number 1 guy correct..but has the Size to allow Big Al to play his Natural PF position
They would have to throw atleast Wilson Chandler in there so we have a Shooting guard.
I must have missed the part where Lee was a natural C while being shorter in height/length than Big Al.
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by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Aug 31, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Chandler is a 3 and he’s arguably the Knicks best player. The Wolves have no leverage. Rubio wants to play in a bigger, warmer market. He’ll never be a Timberwolf and every other GM knows this.
Do us a favor...
… and go back to the uninformed, uncritical internet home when you came.
Sorry, posted as a response to the wrong post.
Was attempting to stave off some of the “of course all signs point to the inevitable Knicks trade” stuff. Ugh. I wish posters could delete their own posts and put them back in the right place. Apologies to any thinking poster offended.
And what about Love?
We already have our younger version of David Lee who is a better passer and has a ton more potential since he has an outside shot. No way does (should) Minnesota do any trade with NY
Brilliant analysis
1) Saying someone is arguably the Knicks’ best player is much like describing someone as the tallest short person in the room.
2) The Wolves obviously do have a healthy amount of leverage in that they own Rubio’s draft rights. If you look to the other end of these proposed Knicks trades, you will discover a team that has, ta da, exactly zero leverage to make any trade happen.
3) Rubio’s first hint about teams he’d like to play with started by mentioning Sacramento, a significantly smaller market than the Twin Cities. In the hours immediately after the draft, the kid also said the warm weather thing was about his mom, not him.
4) “Every other GM and you” appears to be the set of people who know Rubio will never play in Minnesota.
Minneapolis isn't that much bigger than Sacramento
It’s just that Sacramento is not the center of an entire region like Minneapolis is.
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Populations?
The Sacramento region is around 1,500,000 people. The Twin Cities are around 2.5 million.
The area is part of a larger U.S. Census division named Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI, the country’s 16th-largest metropolitan area composed of eleven counties in Minnesota and two counties in Wisconsin.4 This larger area in turn is enveloped in the U.S. Census combined statistical area called Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI with an estimated population of 3.5 million people in 2006, ranked the 13th most populous in the U.S.
Sacramento is the core cultural and economic center of the Sacramento Metropolitan Area which includes El Dorado, Placer, Sacramento, and Yolo counties and has a combined population of approximately 2,136,604
Agree with Feral, Sacramento isn’t close
Where did you get that census data?
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And whatever it is is not important
I wasn’t arguing that Sacramento was that close in population (although a million in gap is way too wide). What I was saying was that Minneapolis is the center of it’s region. Sacramento is not.
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Rubio
I’m not trying to rub this in anybody’s face but I told you what was going to happen. Rubio will not be a Wolve.
Rubio wants to play for the Knicks.
Rubio’s father wants him to play for the Knicks.
Rubio’s agent wants him to play for the Knicks.
Rubio’s mother wants him to play for the Knicks.
It’s a no brainer and Rubio had all the power.
Kahn may have made the dumbest move since Isiah.
Sorry guys….I would say focus on John Wall in next years draft because he will be a better pg than anybody we’ve seen in a loooooooooooong time but you already have Flynn right?
Then again..with Kahns track record of drafting pg’s ….hey you never know.
FYI….that youtube link is classic!!!!
Make sure you don’t boo Rubio to loud when we come out to Minny!!!!
Wow. You're right.
We should believe media reports saying that he’s going to the Knicks when our own GM said they don’t have enough to give up in a deal for him and when we as fans can clearly see that you don’t have anyone that the Wolves would want or need on this team. Also, I guess I missed the reports that the Rubios wanted him on the Knicks amidst the actual quotes of Rubio expressing gratitude toward the Wolves for working very hard to get him over here. Kudos for gloating on a rumor.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 31, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Boy Knicks fans sure do gloat a lot
even when there’s nothing for them to gloat about
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by thewild_viking_twins on Aug 31, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how much I would be gloating here
The Wolves roster (today) without Rubio is better than the Knicks’ roster (today). Love and AlJeff are better than DLee and Chandler will ever hope to be. Now your genius GM is either about to vastly overpay DLee and Nate or lose two of his three best players—with no talent to surround any supposed landing of LBJ or DWade.
Brandon Jennings was right about the Knicks.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
Sigh.
Al has a 3.5" standing reach advantage (love just 0.5" less), is heavier and less mobile. Can we just get over it and accept that Al can score on anybody and can guard some PFs and most C’s?
Kevin Love has essentially identical offense/defense PER at C than Lee. And a much better PF differential. Al has an All-Star level 26 PER at C and a better defensive PER than Lee. I know it is necessarily that simple….but sometimes it is.
We don’t need to pay somebody who is 26 8 figures or 8 million to do something that really doesn’t help all that much, if at all.
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If we combine my ability to properly reply in threads and your ability to post information quickly, we'd be unstoppable.
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by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Aug 31, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
TonyO
We are not going to throw in Wilson Chandler.
He would become your best defender his first day there.
You will more than likely get Lee and a future protected pick.
Since the player your sending us (Rubio) only has to make up half of Lee’s contract.
Lee is a better rebounder and scorer than Love is.
Lee led the league in double doubles last year which is not easy.
I’ll take Jefferson over Lee and Love anyday. I always loved Jeffersons game and I think he’s someone you should build around.
The Rubio trade could be a 3 way trade also.
You’ll probably want us to take back Cardinal (expiring) which we might or we might not.
Now Walsh is holding the cards because he knows Kahn has to trade him.
This gets better and better each day.
You never know…..Kahn and Walsh are great friends so they’ll figure something out.
We do NOT have to trade him.
We’ll wait two years. Unless there’s a conspiracy, and Kahn secretly has been working for Walsh this whole time, Rubio isn’t going to the Knicks. Nobody on the Knicks — nobody — has any value to the Wolves. There isn’t even a first-rounder this year to give us.
Walsh holds no cards. There is no incentive for us to trade Rubio for essentially nothing. Get over your big-market city crap.
Rubio SO does not have to be traded...
The media and Knicks fans need to get over themselves. Rubio develops in Europe while his stock rises. We get to see Flynn´s game. This is win-win for the Wolves. The Knicks have nothing to offer. Kahn doesn’t care what you write.
If Rubio ever plays for the Knicks...
I’m done. Deciding not to wait two years for him may be foolish, but it’s at least a somewhat sensible decision.
Giving Rubio to a team with no possible value to send us in return just because the media says we should (and our GM worked for theirs) would be another thing entirely.
RIght, why would we add mediocrity?
Let him grow in Barcelona — best thing for us.
LoveTo
You have to understand that Kahn is in no position to wait 2 years. He traded away 2 heavy rotation players for nothing…..let me repeat that…..FOR NOTHING!!!
He has nothing to show for his #5 pick.
He is not going to wait 2 years because the deal is actually 6 years with an option for coming in the 2nd year.
I told you in the other post….this is poker and when they announced that Rubio will sign with that other team in Spain…that was Rubio’s camp calling Kahns bluff. Kahn tried to go to Spain and call Rubio’s bluff and Rubio is going to end up signing with the other team lol.
Another thing LoveTo…when you say
“Giving Rubio to a team with no possible value to send us in return just because the media says we should (and our GM worked for theirs) would be another thing entirely”
Don’t forget that Rubio wants to play for the Knicks.
That is the most important thing to remember.
It’s all about where Rubio wants to play and he wants to play for 1 team.
Since he doesn’t have to play in the NBA for the next 6 years…why would another team trade for him when they know he doesn’t want to play for them? LOL
Come on man…this isn’t rocket science.
Rubio holds all the cards.
@Timmuggs
You act like he’s going to grow in Barcelona and then come play for you.
If Rubio would’ve wanted to play for you…he wouldn’t be signing with Barcelona.
DaJoka, wrong!
How many NBA players get to go where they want? Almost every Timberwolf probably didn’t want to play in Minnesota. Same with players on a lot of teams.
I've never seen a quote in my life from anybody with the last name of 'Rubio'
that even mentioned the Knicks. Show me the quote, and I’ll believe you.
But even if that preposterous scenario were true, I would be fully in favor of letting the little A-hole play out his career in Europe, unless or until the Knicks got something of fair value to give us.
Hee Hee
“2 heavy rotation players”
That made me titter out loud. Not something I do often.
Yeah, 1 guy who can be a very good 6th man and one guy whose playing turned weird in one season and shouldn’t be starting anywhere.
I’m delighted we got the #5 pick for those two and still delighted that we have the Rubio trading chit to bargain with – either he plays here or we trade him for something good.
Who are you?
YOU have to understand that you know nothing about Kahn’s situation with the Wolves. Why would YOU be posting here like a frantic lunatic if the Wolves got NOTHING? What you are trying to say is that Kahn got the most one of the most sought after assets in the league in addition to a starter JFlynn. Rubio’s wishes add up to jack ****. You want to talk about NOTHING? Look at the Knicks roster. Relax and enjoy 2009-10.
KGMN
How many NBA players have a buyout like Rubio….that’s why he holds the cards.
Don’t take it from me…take it from your own reporter.
" Laimbeer, Theus to join Rambis’ staff
Rubio trade with Knicks in the works?
Posted on August 31st, 2009 – 8:29 PM
By Jerry Zgoda
News just broke tonight that Ricky Rubio is poised to sign with Barcelona, but is that really it?
Might the Wolves be about to deal the Spanish point guard, perhaps to the New York Knicks, which Rubio’s parents and representatives have wanted all along?
A league source tells me there’s plenty of talk floating that the Knicks again are pushing hard to deal for Rubio — probably with an assist from agent Dan Fegan — and there’s word of a Rubio for restricted free agent David Lee, Nate Robinson and a No. 1 pick deal.
That’d give the Wolves three power forward types, wouldn’t it? But with David Kahn, anything could be possible.
Of course, the Wolves would have to give back some sizable salaries to make the deal work (with the Knicks signing and then trading Lee), but they do have Brian Cardinal and Mark Blount, to name two contracts that total $14 million plus.
The Rubio-to-Barcelona thing still may be just the latest threat to get Rubio to a market where endorsements presumably will pay most of that big buyout.
Stayed tuned.
The bottom line is
that the Timberwolves hold Rubio’s rights until we give them to somebody else. He holds no cards. The Knicks hold no cards. The Wolves are under no obligation, and have no incentive, to do anything but wait for him to come and play in Minnesota.
Kahn has said something like, "Why would we draft Rubio if we were going to trade him?"
If I recall correctly. And there have been SO MANY rumors like this saying Ricky’s going to NY, all of them wrong.
On behalf of all the regulars:
Unless you can show us a #1 option in this deal, uhhhhhhh…. pass. The Wolves of two years hence need neither Lee, his salary, Robinson, his defensive ineptitude, or the #1 pick in the 2025 draft.
I'd take all of that...
Instead of a pipe dream of a point guard who may or may not ever come to the T Wolves.
Who says it's a pipe dream?
Where is the hard evidence for this perspective? That’s all anyone is asking for.
The 6 year contract he just signed with Barcelona.
I’m not saying he’s getting traded to the Knicks. I’m saying that he’s at least 2 years – if not longer – away from wearing a Wolves uniform. In that time, he could get hurt. He could not live up to the hype. He could decide he wants to play for Barcelona for another 4 years. And if any of that happens, I’d rather get something for him than nothing.
Sure.
But all of this is, as we’ve discussed ad nauseam here, very, very different from saying Ricky Rubio in MN is start to finish a pipe dream. The buyout will be essentially what we’ve always dealt with, and no basic reality has changed. Except he has a better situation for his own development, and we continue to hold the ticket to the NBA, which, as he’s signaled, is his only real wish out of this whole mess. He wants to play in the NBA, and no material change in our leverage is signaled in DKV choosing a more lucrative option for its financial troubles. Johnny Flynn could not pan out. He could break his leg in a Wolves jersey next week. But we aren’t dealing him for that reason alone, because each of the parts for which he is traded could just as easily suffer the same fate. We are not in a win-now scenario, and Lee and Robinson have salaries that approach levels only win-now teams will be interested in. I can’t imagine dealing Miller and Foye if the end goal is to add another power forward and (woefully) undersized shooting guard. Kahn wants transcendent talent. Neither Lee nor Nate will ever be described as such.
Why is it a better situation for his own development?
Wouldn’t you rather have someone develop with NBA level talent and NBA level coaching? I’d rather have our staff oversee that development instead of leave it in the hands of people in Europe.
For one, it wouldn’t have been for the best for him and Flynn to both come in at the same time. As an 18 year old, no one can convince me it would be better for him to play in a stressful situation on a losing team in a foreign city. In two years, the questions of how he and Flynn fit together, if at all, should be less, we should be a little better, he might have gotten more familiar with MPLS, and he’ll be a more confident player. No one seems to mind a good college player staying in school for a bit more seasoning, and the ACB is the second best league in the world, where he’ll be playing for a great team. It’s great experience.
It's called playing hard ball...
… and if you don’t have the stomach for it, put in your tapes of the T-Wolves playing throughout the Garnett era, where the talent was mediocre and we overcommitted to mediocre players out of a sense of inferiority. Where does this joke of a trade get us? another five or ten wins per years? Even in several years, the potential returns on this ridiculous trade are minimal. Rubio is a potential huge-impact player. And Kahn is determined to get him, even if that means waiting. Period.
TimAllen
Now your talking.
Get something for this kid while you can.
Nobody knows what’s going to happen.
OH my GOD!
The sky is falling! We could all die tomorrow! We better do what the big city wannabe huckster says, ma! Maybe he will throw in some magic beans!
Lol, now Woj has expanded his article to bag on Kahn
Apparently Kevin Pritchard isn’t the only GM on his hate list.
There's Gotta Be More To Life
Kahn's going to get shredded by everyone for the next few days.
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by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Aug 31, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It might be funny...
…if it weren’t way off base. Simmons ripped on Memphis, OKC, and Sacramento for passing on Ricky, Kahn for taking Flynn 6th. Now, after the fact, Rubio was Kahn’s big error?
You know, there is a way for it all to add up: Rubio got passed on because teams were worried he might not come over right away. We picked him at #5 because he offered too much value to pass up at that point, then picked another PG because we knew he wouldn’t be coming over right away.
Simmons will rip on Kahn until he wins a championship because the Wolves didn’t take him seriously.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
Bill Simmons is going to rip on everyone who doesn't take him seriously?
He has an okay little gig going. I enjoyed the recent interview with Steve Nash, who was unusually candid. But if he’s going to rip people who didn’t take his GM bid seriously, I’m happy to have him start with me before he goes on to every NBA franchise’s ownership, front office, and roster full of players.
He’s been incredibly quick to jump on every move made by the Wolves since Kahn joined the org, so it’s not a stretch to think he’s still salty over no one taking him seriously. Just watch how it plays out over the next few years.
And I’m sure he’d be happy to roast you if you were a little higher profile (or maybe you are and I just don’t know – in that case, send him an inflammatory email and get the ball rolling!)
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
Breathe
It’s ok Wolves fans….
A few sources in NY just deaded the rumors so you can breathe…..for now!!! LOL
Kahn will get around to trading him…and when he does, there’s only one team that he will call.
Unless this guy Zgoda has a source that is the most reliable soource in the NBA.
Nice!
Always nice to have a token caveman, head-through-the-windshield, no-idea-what-he’s-talking-about NY sports fan swing by! How is it you guys never seem to have the slightest idea about how things work? Please clean up your puddles of drool before you leave, and good luck with that whole signing LeBron thing.
He's just a troll
He JUST joined, and isn’t even on Posting and Toasting
And he’s only commented on this post
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by thewild_viking_twins on Aug 31, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
The Portland Trail Blazers
Oh wait, you mean the LeBron-less Knicks? Could be too.
There's Gotta Be More To Life
Bummer
Would’ve been fun to see Rubio, this year. But, I like the long-term plans of loading up on bona fide talent, and this technically helps us in a lot of ways, as Britt Robson recently wrote about. It’ll just be hard being patient for Ricky’s arrival, since he seems like such an exciting player.
Kahn deserves to get shredded. He had 4 first round draft picks 4. He is a total buffoon. This team is terrible with not hope
Hey, I'm sorry for your disappointment
but right now he still has four first round picks from that draft. He traded one (Lawson) for a pick that will likely be higher in a better draft. The Wolves would not have had a shot at Rubio at five if there weren’t some concern about the buyout. Kahn took a chance. So far it hasn’t worked out (but it would have been a little awkward if it HAD worked out this year). The likely scenario is that Rubio will be a Wolf in 2011. The worst-case scenario is that Rubio’s rights will be traded for much more than what Kahn could have received with the 6th pick (Curry? Please). And that will only come to fruition if Flynn can be an effective starting PG in the NBA.
The team would be terrible even if Rubio had come over this year. Now if they’re more terrible, they’ll get a nice fat pick in next year’s much better draft.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
Why is the likely scenario
that Rubio will be a Wolf in 2011? People keep saying that in here but its no more credible to say that than it is to say that he’ll be a Knick in 2009.
Today the NBA rights to Ricky Rubio
are held by the Minnesota Timberwolves. Do you dispute this?
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
Today Ricky Rubio has a 6 year contract
with the possibility of a buyout in two years. Do you dispute this?
I thought you visited this site more often
and had more knowledge of the situation. Please excuse me.
If he is a top-flight player, he will always make more money in the NBA than he could overseas—especially if off-court earnings are included. If he truly desires to compete against the best, he’ll want to play in the NBA. If either of these aren’t true, then the Wolves shouldn’t want him.
Based on the NBA CBA, the Wolves were limited in what they could pay JKH. If Rubio can make more money and still get out of his contract with the Verde Negro now, he is right to sign with Barcelona. In two years, the Wolves can evaluate if they want him to come over, and Ricky can evaluate if it makes sense to do so.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
I think I have a fairly good grasp of the situation.
But the facts (if the Barcelona deal is true) remain as such:
Rubio wants to play in the NBA.
The Wolves own his rights.
Rubio has a 6 year deal with Barcelona with a 2 year buyout agreement.
None of that adds up to Rubio will buy himself out of his contract in 2 years to play with the Wolves. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Not for sure.
Nothing is sure..
..but by every account (in Spanish news sources as well) the buyout after 2 years is small – my guess $500K or $1M. Everybody has gone out of the way to say how easy it would be, even while mentioning that NBA teams can pay $500K. Barcelona has to get Rubio for 2 years or they would never pay the enormous (biggest ever) buyout and pay him $1M/year. Everybody is trying to do what is best for themselves. Wolves were behind the 8-ball because Ricky’s parents signed off on a contract with the most absurd buyout when he was 14.
If Ricky is improving and dominaing he is definitely coming. I just hope we don’t trade him by then. He’ll still be about Flynn’s age in 2 years.
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So if Rubio is likely coming over in two years...
Okay, the buyout is small, and people assume he’ll take it. So why would Barcelona make it a 6 year contract? If he’s gone in 2 anyway, why not make it a 3 or 4 year contract? Are those other 2-3 years just superfluous?
Because if something unforeseen happens
why would they not want to have him to a long contract? Wouldn’t you? It’s just good business.
Unforeseen like what?
An injury? Certainly wouldn’t want a long contract then. Not wanting to go to the NBA or the Wolves after all? That makes sense…
More like
some crazy financial stuff going down over here that would turn the NBA into a non-option, Rubio’s mom getting cancer, something crazy that, if it happened, Barca wouldn’t want to get caught with their pants down. No Euro team would just give him a two year deal in this situation, and if the buyout is affordable, a guy wanting to go to the NBA wouldn’t care if the contract was 30 years.
And I should've added
yes, including if he decided he didn’t want to play in the NBA. But that’s Barca being smart about it, there’s zero reason to think Rubio wanted that in there because he’s having second thoughts. Any Euro team is going to want their bases covered, All I’m saying is we have nothing to suggest Rubio isn’t set on coming here.
Rubio and his team have been practically breaking their backs trying to get bought out of his contract this summer.
Something huge and shocking would have to happen for him not to buy out of his contract in 2 years.
He's not playing there 6 years unless something drastically changes
I have zero problem saying this. Obviously Barca is going to want a longer deal, they probably wouldn’t do it otherwise.
You sound quite paranoid
But don’t worry. Where is the indication that he would stay in Spain 6 years? I don’t see why I’d be the one needing to show proof. Everything he’s said makes it clear he wants to play here.
And don’t say “he just signed a six year deal,” that doesn’t mean anything.
What proof do you have that he won't?
He’s spent months trying to get out of the Joventut contract, and the writing is on the wall. It’s best for him to stay in Barcelona right now.
Even if he WERE to play for Barcelona for six years, he’ll be 24 years old at the end of that contract. And if he wants to come to the NBA, he’ll have to play for the Wolves, for the rookie scale.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
Meaningless...
You’re talking about things that will be “likely” in two years.
Michael Crabtree was likely to play in the NFL this year with the 49ers.
Brett Favre was likely to retire from the NFL this year.
LeBron James is likely to leave Cleveland this summer.
If you look at the events up until now
you’d see that it’s more than bit likely, certainly far more likely than those 3 you listed, except for maybe LeBron who I think is probably staying. But anyway, looking at what’s happened, what’s been said and the numbers is hardly meaningless. And again, the burden of proof is yours.
Wrong
The burden of proof is yours. The only certainties are the ones that are listed above. And none of those say “Rubio comes to Wolves in 2011”.
Nope, quite sure I'm right
Show me the quotes of him saying he’d like to stay in Spain, or even wouldn’t mind staying there, or anything other than “I want to be in the NBA, that is my preference,” then you’d be right. Until then, lo siento senor.
The quote of him saying he'd like to stay in Spain
is the signature he put down on his new contract.
Hah, that was actually pretty funny...
Look, I’m not trying to be a prick in here or anything. I’m a Wolves fan like everyone else. I just think that the “Rubio will come” attitude is a bit misguided, since there is a long time between now and 2011 and a lot of things can happen.
Yeah
we may even get LeBron. . . LOL
Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)
I would laugh if MN
got Lebron and NY got no one.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course you're an expert
Because you come to this site, argue with a few people, claim they represent everyone on the site, then go back to TWolvesBlog and complain that everyone on hoopus are morons.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 1, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
"Likely" is still better than "impossible."
It’s a question of degrees, and there are some definite gray areas in this situation. That uncertainty would’ve been there for any team choosing Rubio after #4. Calling likelihoods “meaningless” is narrow-minded.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 31, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I won't let the facts get in the way
of your self-imposed pessimism. If you want to deal with reality, then the only way Ricky Rubio can play in the NBA is if he plays for the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
Hah, that's an ironic statement
I know you resort to snappy one liners when you’re out of arguments but Rubio could easily play in the NBA if we trade him.
If if if if if
You still haven’t proven to me that another team in the NBA has a better chance of having Ricky Rubio on their roster than the Timberwolves.
The fact is that they have his rights. Right now. That’s it. No matter how much of a prick you don’t try to be, this is all you or I know.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
I didn't say they had a *better* chance
You keep inferring things that no one has said.
Yes, they have his rights. No, they do not have him in a uniform.
Yes, he has a buyout clause. No, there is no guarantee that he’ll use it.
So what reason do you have to assume that he won’t use it? All we have to go on is assumptions and what we’ve heard so far, and what we’ve heard backs up the fact that he wants to come to the NBA. If this is true, then, unless he’s traded, it will be with the Wolves.
A 6 year deal changes absolutely nothing.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
Its a double standard in here
When Knick fans give the “Rubio hates cold weather” line, people are right to roast them because Rubio hasn’t said squat about playing for the Knicks or not wanting to play for MN (to my knowledge).
But then you guys give the “Rubio will be here in two years” line, even though no one has said that Rubio will use the buyout in two years. It’s all speculation.
Not a coincidence
That the greatly reduced buyout happens in 2 years isn’t a coincidence. That’s when Rubio wants to play in the NBA and he wouldn’t agree to any deal that had a buyout after a longer period of time.
If Ricky was thrilled to be playing in Europe and could make as much many there (which he can’t if he’s a top player – remains to be seen if he is) then we would never have gotten in this situation in the first place.
You’re right that there is no guarantee or lock on Rubio coming over in 2 years but it does seem likely. From an economic standpoint, a contract standpoint and based on Ricky’s desire to play in the NBA. That seems like a quite a bit stacking up in favor of it.
You have no attention span
As each rumor bubble bursts, you lurch back in the other direction. Your moods and reactions are completely predictable; that alone is enough to tell you to stop and think a little more.
Maybe you should think about what exactly Kahn had a week before the draft — when it was 3 first rounders, Foye (who’d need to be extended) and Miller (in his last season), and the other assets in the Wolves’ kit. What happened was, a decision was made to cash in Foye and Miller’s contract situations and level of talent in exchange for the #5 pick.
Personally I’d have been happy if the Wolves had cashed in #6 and #18, along with another asset like Pekovic, to move up to #2. What happened was, the guy fell to that #5 pick instead. And when that occurred, Kahn kicked the “draft assets to use in order to move around” can along for a year by trading the #18 for next year’s Charlotte pick, keeping Pekovic’s rights, and neatly pocketing Rubio’s rights while also freeing up whatever contract space a Foye extension would have eaten.
So the “He had X assets!” thing? Well, the Wolves next spring will have just as much draft maneuverability as they did this year, only it’s a stronger draft next time around. And you’re only confused about that because you can’t think ahead two days, let alone a season or two.
For the record tim I agree with you. If he does not play this year I don’t believe he ever will. I have no evidence for this, but he has no vested rights at all. Once teh collective barganing agreement expires and there is a lockout 2011 he may lose everything. They can change the rookie pay scale however they want. Fagan knows this.
CBA-related rant
Why is the consensus that the rookie scale is going to be hacked away at by the owners? Since they changed the rules after the last lockout, one of the better aspects of the CBA for the owners has been the rookie scale. Compared to the other pro leagues, the NBA has managed the salaries of young players at a much-lower risk for its teams. The owners will go after max salaries and guaranteed deals first; they might go after the rookie deals after that, but it’s already a pretty good deal for the owners.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 31, 2009 11:01 PM CDT reply actions
I agree
Rookie scale is fantastic for the owners, they might try to pare down the starting numbers a touch, but hey, Glenn Robinson anybody?
On a related note – a few days ago in a chat or something Hollinger or Thorpe (think Thorpe) said that if a draftee doesn’t come over for 3 years the rookie scale doesn’t apply. I do not believe this is true, I can’t find the statement, but I am 90% one of them wrote it (off-the-cuff in a chat probably). So, can you quell my delusions? If true, then the deal is much less good for us.
(678): Words of Wisdom: ordering a pitcher of whiskey cokes, putting a straw in it, and calling it your drink is not socially acceptable
Where is Stephen A. Smith
and his indepth NBA reporting when we really need him?
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
A question to Jerry Zgoda and all the NY fans thinking we will trade for David Lee
“Lee is a power forward, and the Wolves already are built around power forwards Al Jefferson and Kevin Love, but Lee also conceivably is the kind of talent Kahn could trade for other assets”
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/56454017.html?page=2&c=y
If David Lee is such a talent that could be traded for other talents, why has he received barely any interest from other NBA teams, and is expected to sign for one year using the Knicks’ MLE? As of yet, no one has made him an offer to try and pry him away from the Knicks, so he has been stuck there having his expected salary go from $9mil per season for 3+years to $5.8mil for 1 year. The only conceivable way that Rubio gets traded to NY is via a 3 way deal but I cant think of one. Memphis would be the obvious choice with how enamoured Kahn is with Gay but they already have Randolph, Gasol and Thabeet
Wow.
I want Ricky to play for us. If I have to wait, I’ll wait (looks like I have to). I mean I REALLY want Ricky to play for us. But, this scares me. Pretty sure Blount or Cardinal plus Ricky can swing a sign and trade Lee to Memphis and Gay and Hunter here.
NYK gets Ricky and something fantastic for Lee and a big fat Labor Day gift for D’Anotonio. Memphis gets a good player they can overpay who won’t touch the ball after they sign AI. We get a young cheap wing with a lot of potential and save money. Everybody wins! Well, kinda. I don’t think ZBo should factor in. I think he is just an expiring contract in 2011. Walsh, always thinking ahead.
If Gay’s 2008-9 campaign was a blip in his improvement and he can actually improve upon his sophomore year…I have to say we have to consider it. And I REALLY want Ricky on the Wolves.
(678): Words of Wisdom: ordering a pitcher of whiskey cokes, putting a straw in it, and calling it your drink is not socially acceptable
I actually somewhat like the sound of that trade.
And now that I think about it, it seems pretty likely (as far as trade speculations go). I would love to get Gay on this team, but I would HATE to let those Knicks fans gloat and say “I told you so.”
If Memphis wanted Rubio
they could have just drafted him. What’s more, the rookie pay scale at the 2nd pick’s pay slot would have made it a lot more likely that Ricky would come over immediately instead of two seasons from now.
Let’s put the Memphis trade scenarios to rest. If we want Rudy Gay, he’ll be a very feasible free agent target a year from now.
Memphis doesn't get Rubio in this scenario.
New York gets him. Memphis gets David Lee. The Wolves get Rudy Gay. (Plus fillers).
I realized this mistake...
….and came rushing back to try to be the first to correct myself. Monumentally bad attention to detail on my part. (Though ultimately it’s kind of a moot point; Memphis would never do this.)
Gay isn't FA until 2011
And Memphis can pay him more at that point. A feasible FA and a trade are vastly different things. I am not saying I want Gay and I sure as hell don’t want to watch Rubio and LeBron win 6 straight titles for the Knicks. I’m just saying if the guys who do this for a living think that Gay can improve dramatically in our new system with our guys, and they think Rubio is a bigger risk than they’ve let on, well then we have to consider it.
(678): Words of Wisdom: ordering a pitcher of whiskey cokes, putting a straw in it, and calling it your drink is not socially acceptable
Now I wasn't *this* wrong
Gay’s rookie deal is up after this coming season. Memphis has yet to extend him.
http://realgm.com/src_playerfile/663/rudy_gay/
Now I believe he’ll be a RFA, but the line of thinking around here is that Memphis is the type of team that wouldn’t want to pony up the money to match another team’s offer sheet.
never happen...
Memphis could have had Lee earlier this summer in a sign and trade with Knicks, but opted for Zach Randolph in deal for Q-Rich. Foolish decision in my opinion, but there is no way they’ll trade Gay for Lee.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Sep 1, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's the ridiculous part of Lee's rumored involvement
Nate Robinson and David Lee have been hanging all offseason waiting for the Knicks to even offer them decent money for a single season, and suddenly we’re asked to accept that Lee is worth Ricky Rubio in even trade. If that was the case, Portland would have been after Lee like they were Milsap, for one example. But nothin’.
(Zgoda has proven extremely susceptible to the rumor winds, and shown little independent thinking, over the summer.)
I hooked up with his Twitter...
… and basically everything he has posted has been borderline debunked by the time of posting or reported ad nauseam elsewhere. Disappointing.
The point was that the owners will have to change something because of the economy so many teams are not making money. The players union will be more likely to negotiate deals for rookies who are not in the union before they are players that are in the union. Nothing may change, you are correct on that, however, that is not a guarantee. There are no guarantees in regards to this so that is why Ricky is taking a risk, a fairly big one, that the 2011 contract could give him less money. Who knows what it will. I don’t know.
Changing the rookie deals doesn’t help them that much compared to changing the structure of veteran contracts. Maybe the players’ union would try to push that, but it doesn’t mean they’d be successful because Stern worked Billy Hunter over during the last lockout and could do it again.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 1, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Knicks - Wolves deal makes no sense
Agree with the posters that a straight up knicks deal makes no sense. Kahn could not spin this to Wolves fans after saying he wants stars, not position players. Wilson, Robinson, Lee are #4 options or backups, not options #1-3 even on current Wolves.
They should either (1) regroup, sign a vet PG, a wing like Carney, and play young potential core/back ups of Flynn, Ellington, Gomes, Brewer, Carney, Love, Jefferson, Hollins max minutes this year, go after FA in 2010, and use draft picks and Rubio rights in 2010/11 or (2) only deal with the Knicks if they bring in a 3rd team that brings combo of ridding Wolves of Blount, Cardinal, Songalia, etc, brings true #1-caliber SG/SF, and/or an unprotected 1st rounder in 2010. Who could/would do a 3-team trade that brings that to the table?
by PoohRichardson on Aug 31, 2009 11:29 PM CDT reply actions
There's the Memphis deal mentioned
And off the top of my head Sacramento and Chicago might be the only other teams that could work. Of course, that would involve Kevin Martin or Luol Deng to get that done, so I won’t think of them as very probable.
Agree, the Memphis deal would work
But I don’t think it’s a better option than sitting tight for this year and seeing how things play out. Kahn seems methodical. If he deals now, it looks like he didn’t know what he was doing after investing so much in comments about Rubio, Rubio/Flynn, etc. Depends on if Kahn thinks Gay is real deal, which has been debated on both sides before. Curious what everyone thinks right thing is to do rather than speculating what Wolves will do?
by PoohRichardson on Aug 31, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait
Sorry, but the Wolves hold the cards in regards to Rubio and we lose NOTHING by waiting. That is the prudent thing to do at this time. We play this season and suck, which we knew already even with RR, get another high draft pick, pick up some more talent ( not John Wall please!!), see what comes of the “big” FA period in 2010, play the next season and add the final peices in 2011 for a playoff run. You cannot build a championship overnight on a budget.
Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
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by frankenhoops on Sep 1, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Sport (Barcelona press) reports nothing official
In an article dated Sept. 1st (posted in the last 5 hours for sure).
http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=641431&idseccio_PK=808
They say things like ‘Barcelona thinks it has it’ and ‘though everybody met, at the end of the end of the night a deal was insinuated, but nothing official.’
They say the Barca guys negotiated until dawn, but even at daybreak Juventut did not answer. Villacampa says it is to allow the Wolves/Fegan to make specific their offer – though it seems only half of Barca’s – they can’t continue to wait for Minny to step up.
Barcelona also applying pressure by saying they could pull the offer, they are a good team already and don’t really need Ricky, so decide already.
Sorry for the quickie – the precise timing of the reporting is not clear (at least to me, daybreak could only be Monday morning, recent news seems Monday evening, but why post this so late in Spain with potentially large new info?), but as I said, it was posted in the last few hours. Any real Spanish speakers out there?
(678): Words of Wisdom: ordering a pitcher of whiskey cokes, putting a straw in it, and calling it your drink is not socially acceptable
What is the question exactly?
It’s not a done deal yet. I think someone is trying to push for a faster resolution to the drama by feeding rumors to the media, but essentially it’s the same story that was posted a couple of days ago in the spanish media.
Accurate
Every Spanish press report we’ve seen over this entire summer has amounted to an attempt to push up the deadline for making a decision. Remember Rubio wanting to be clear about his future before the national team started practicing? Re-read any given story, and it’s much easier to see it as a bargaining ploy to push up a resolution. The lawsuit Rubio withdrew was much the same.
People have no attention spans.
Wait
The more I read this blog…the more I realize how delusional some people here are.
You really think Sac would trade Kevin Martin in a deal where they don’t get Rubio? Martin would be the best player in that deal and the same goes with Deng. Nobody is going to trade All Star talent….NOBODY!! You may have a chance at the Rudy Gay scenario but stop reaching with Deng and Martin.
There will be a third team involved and you won’t get an all star for Rubio…it’s just not going to happen.
Rubio will never play for the Wolves…..Remember it was Rubio who decided to play in Barcelona…even with Kahn in Spain. He does not want to play in Minn.
Chandler would be the 3rd option on your team easily behind Jefferson and he may even be in front of Love. He’s a better scorer, athlete and defender than Love.
No need for the name calling….I’m trying to be nice about this.
I could easily insult your organization for taking 4 pg’s in the 1st round but I’ll leave that alone. Nobody knows what Kahn is doing..not even him.
G. Taylor will get involved with this sooner or later and he will tell him to make something happen. He will not let Kahn sit on his hands for 2 years.
Who is your starting line up right now at this moment?
Flynn
Love
Jefferson
?
?
My point exactly
Jefferson, Flynn, and Love all better options than anyone on knicks. Why deal for average starters and role players after statements about championship caliber teams from Kahn. The only way that happens is if Kahn gets nervous or is in Walsh’s back pocket. Not saying those aren’t good players, but that would completely make Kahn look like an idiot even though you want it to happen.
by PoohRichardson on Aug 31, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Check this out man: your roster sucks. We don’t want anything on it. You have a lousy team that doesn’t have good enough parts to pull off anything like a Rubio deal. Isiah Thomas screwed you, and I feel bad for you, but you NY fanboys just don’t seem to get it. But again: you have an awful collection of players, this means you can’t get Rubio. Is that making sense?
Delusional Twolves AND Knicks fan living in NYC agrees
Wolves have 3 potential studs in Jefferson, Flynn, and Love
Wolves have second tier role players to test in Ellington, Gomes, Brewer
Wolves have rights to 4 (net of draft rights) potential studs in next two year, including Rubio
Wolves have cap room to sign $12 mn+ FA in 2010/2011
Kahn has 3-yr deal
Rambis has 4-yr deal
Straigh up deal is more of the past
Kahn/Rubio deal with Knicks = McHale/KG deal with Celtics
Not gonna happen unless Kahn never wants to step foot in MN again
Da Joka, what makes sense about your counterparty dealing Rubio to you today?
by PoohRichardson on Sep 1, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
For the record
It was 3 PGs and a SG. One PG was traded to Denver for a first in next years deeper draft…just saying.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions
caliwolf, read the article. I am not fluent in spanish, am in latin (does me little good here but) I read it the same way. The thing that troubles me about all the news reports is this. DKV trades ricky to Barca. Ricky signs new contract, why not contact from ricky. All ricky has to do is say he’s not signing the barcelona offer and boom there is no deal. Also the article and numerous articles have said that Minnies offer is complex and they have to study it, so why reject something you don’t understand. I mean yeah he is probably gone, but the article raises some questions I have. Until Rubio or Kahn himself says something I take everything with a grain of salt.
My best guess..
..and it is a guess. Is that DKV want Ricky in the NBA, for a whole bunch of reasons, but the money has to be close enough so they don’t look stupid. I think some of the money is nebulous – like the exhibition games (NBA said no way we play there this year).
So, they are really giving Kahn/Fegan the last shot.
i think the ‘dawn’ timing issue is possibly that ‘dawn’ can translate into ‘dawn of a new day’ or ‘midnight’ so I think it did all go down in the last few hours.
Barcelona is applying pressure, so hopefully they’ll just pull the damn plug.
(678): Words of Wisdom: ordering a pitcher of whiskey cokes, putting a straw in it, and calling it your drink is not socially acceptable
Congrats
Everyone on this site thought Rubio was coming here for sure without a doubt. Here’s your nonexistent prize.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 1, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
What Sport is saying:
-Joventut never got back to Barcelona. The only reason the news claim Ricky is going to play there now is because Joventut declined the latest Minny offer, so with the Barca offer being the only one left and the Euro tournament about to start, people rushed to conclusions.
-Villacampa is saying that he still wants to wait for better offers from Minnesota.
-Barcelona is officially getting tired of the situation. They dont need Rubio in order to win every competition they’re in (they really not) and will probably lower their offer soon.
So yeah, were back to were we were last week (month?) and its getting ridiculous even for me. Its gonna be like this until Ricky signs and takes pictures with a team, and that’s when were gonna know whats up. As of now, its just stressing and boring.
Ah. Cool. Thanks.
Somebody who actually can speak Spanish. Looks like I got reasonably close, so I guess the Minnesota Public School system taught me something. IN fact your take is much more optimistic than mine, so cool.
I just am not sure where the money will come from. Surely Fegan has been trying for the last 2 months. I hope it isn’t some game with Fegan trying to get a trade by finding offers contingent on which team he goes to. That would be vile and very agent-like.
(678): Words of Wisdom: ordering a pitcher of whiskey cokes, putting a straw in it, and calling it your drink is not socially acceptable
So all that for nothing?
Is anyone else over this nonsense?
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
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Not over it. Just patiently waiting it out.
I’m awfully glad U.S. sports leagues don’t work on transfer fees and buyout numbers this way.
Plus, it makes sense
Why would Rubio say “no” to the NBA if Joventut had accepted the offer?
It makes sense to report that Rubio will play in Barcelona since Joventut turned down Minny again, and with Barcelonas offer the only one that has been accepted.
Its going to be ridiculously hard for Rubio to come over now. Kahn and Fegan have to sell them on all this phantom money, and Barcelona needs to rethink their offer, and the Joventut brass must really be against not giving Rubio to their biggest rival (those two teams hate each other)
The only explanation that works as to why Rubio hasnt signed yet is because he doesnt want to, hes holding out to the last possible second to see if Minnesotas offer is accepted and if not, Im certain hell sign with Barca then.
Villacampa mentioned a while back that Ricky needed to do two things: drop the lawsuit and tell them what team he wanted to go to, then they would sit and listen to him. I think thats exactly what has happened, theyre all holding out for Kahn to work some magic.
Xavier Garcia
HUH?!?!?!?!?
Waiting for Kahn to work his magic?
Really?
I said "some" not "his"
And you’re the one talking without citing sources. Rubio has said he wants to play in Minny, I can quote him for you if you’d like. Rubio would like playing in NY due to the Spanish population there and for D’antoni, sure, but thats about it.
If he was traded to the Knicks, he would be in the same exact situation he is in now. Makes no difference … except that NY has nothing the Wolves want … you don’t even have a draft pick! (good job Isiah!)
by Xavier Garcia on Sep 1, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Xavier Garcia
“If he was traded to the Knicks, he would be in the same exact situation he is in now.”
HUH?!?!?!?
Really???
Yep
Unless you can tell me how EXACTLY the Knicks will come up with 8 MILLION DOLLARS for his buyout.
by Xavier Garcia on Sep 1, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
It may be true that Rubio doesn't go to Tpups...
…but as a fellow Knicks fan in NYC, how nieve to think the Wolves would do a deal with Knicks straight up?
What do the knicks offer that compels the Wolves other other than that the Knicks hope so?
Describe an trade that offers value to every team involved, rather than transparent strategy to agitate and misdirect as if Wolves are going to agree to first ridiculous offer from a petticab driver in central park.
You’re doing NYC no good whatsoever except to cement an east coast bias.
Buen suerte, senor!
by PoohRichardson on Sep 1, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions
We'll grant you
an exemption…I’d do that just for the Pooh Rich reference.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Twolves are my first team
I live in NYC and am forced to watch their teams…
To give you sense of Knicks fans sense of entitlement and nievete, I talked to 7 Knicks fans at work and gym in NYC today and got the following opinions with little/no uncertainty:
-All 7 talked as if Rubio to Knicks was a done deal and were disappointed they have to wait 2 yrs
-All 7 say they will get Lebron next year
-5 out of 7 said they have enough cap space TODAY to get LeBron AND someone like DWade next year (the 2 that didn’t say this was certain, said “maybe” rather than “no”)
Not the most scientific poll, but fairly telling…
—Jerome
by PoohRichardson on Sep 1, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Couple points
First – Jerome is a sweet name.
Secondly – I blame that NY fan mentality on the Yankees. NY fans are so used to the Yankees just hoarding all of the high priced talent that they forget that the NBA has a cap and all sorts of rules preventing these types of acquisitions. When you are so used to this type of behavior from a team, you just come to expect it from all of your teams.
PS – If Wade left…it would probably be to go home to Chicago. The ironic part is that MN will have better talent to complement James than either CLE or NY after next year. But I think we may be slightly shy of max cap space available without another trade or so. James is never coming to MN…but thought I should point that out.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 2, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes Huh Really
Unless Donnie is going to wave his magic wand (so to speak).
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
Rubio did well for himself; Kahn, not so much.
I don’t believe Rubio was going to pay money out of his own pocket to compete in the NBA all along. By entering the draft, his rights became more valuable, and he created an incentive for his Spanish team to sell his contract.
I mean, it’s naive to think Rubio would sacrifice millions of dollars to play immediately. And it’s naive to think Kahn was ignorant of this situation.
All of Kahn’s post-draft talk about playing 2 point guards was a song-and-dance routine, and his conspicuous negotiations with Spanish reps were just more of the same: ruses, machinations.
Kahn simply wanted to acquire a valuable commodity: nothing wrong with that. But there is something wrong with manipulating fans and the media, and making them think you’re acting in good faith.
Kahn wanted all along to avoid mediocrity by adding two good prospects this year, and basically have the team tank the next couple of seasons for the more valuable high lottery selections.
That’s my interpretation.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
in defense of Kahn
I think it is incorrect to interpret Kahn’s post draft talk as “manipulating the fans.” I’ve always taken it as Kanh talking his book, letting other teams know that he will not be forced into a trade just because he has two young pgs.
Would you rather he said “yeah, we need to trade one of them, so make us a mediocre offer.”?
You know...
However this plays out, we need to weigh the results against the alternatives of selecting Rubio…Curry, DeRozan, etc.
Disappointing as a Rubio trade or a two year wait may be, it is far too early to say Kahn F-ed this up. Personally, I think Kahn has done all he can to bring Rubio over and that selecting the highest value player (Rubio) was the correct move.
The potential mistake will be a knee jerk trade of Rubio to appease the fans with immediate gratification. If we trade Rubio, so be it, but let’s get real value, not Knick retreads.
by DougW on Sep 1, 2009 6:33 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Patience is required
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by frankenhoops on Sep 1, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Well......
First of all…the Knicks would come up with only $500,000…the same you came up with.
However, the companies like Nike…..McDonalds…..Sprite…..Spalding (spell check)….they would easily come up with the rest of it. I’m sure Rubio wouldn’t mind paying a million of his own buyout…that would leave 6.5 mill left over for the 4 companies above to split. Nike would probably pay 2 mill alone.
This may be hard to understand but when you play in NY….everything is magnetized.
There’s a reason why Nate Robinson’s jersey is top 10 in the league while the rest of the list is filled with future hall of famers maybe with the exception of Derrick Rose but I think he’ll have a good enough career.
There’s a reason why Lebron would make more money playing in NY than Cleveland or any other city. When Lebron played the Knicks this past year in NY when he put up the “triple double” …he debuted his NYC Lebron Zooms or whatever their called….he got a cool 1.5 mill from Nike for that.
That’s what people are talking about when they say….“for a superstar, there’s no place like NY to not only play in….but to win in.”
If Lebron comes here and wins…he’ll be bigger than Jordan.
Rubio and his camp are looking at it the same way.
Is anyone arguing that the endorsement opportunities are far greater in NY or that “everything is magnetized?” Of course Rubio will make more and receive far more attention in NY.
The problem is NY’s roster is full of trash. We hold Rubio’s rights and aren’t interested in trading him for pennies on the dollar…which is all NY holds…rusty, stinky pennies.
Not hard at all
we poor yokels got the “big market” nonsense on draft day.
All this lacks is two ingredients
1. The desire or need to trade Rubio
2. A decent deal from the Knicks.
Why would we pay Lee and Robinson silly money to do what Flynn and Love can do (and in Love’s case, better than Lee now and forever more.
There is a substantial difference between what Rubio wants and can get when it comes to the NBA.
Besides, we could just trade him to the Celtics. Or perhaps the Raptors. Nah, the Sixers. Would you like that, Mr. New York?
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You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
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I think there is much more to this story than meets the eye, especially since Ricky has said that he wants to play in the NBA this year no less than 48 hours ago, which I think is the only reason this Barça deal is delayed.
Also, Villacampa wants Joventud fans to think it was Ricky’s personal decision to play for Barça since they’re longtime regional rivals and the fans would not be amused.
This is just gut feeling, but I think he’ll end up in Minnesota. I really do.
Thanks for the insight, fanfaraway
The Spanish media are proving spectacularly unreliable in all this business. Every time he is sign sealed and delivered, it’s rescinded within a day or so.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
Happy to help, but I doubt my gut feelings offer much insight :)
The spanish media have a modus operandi which is quite funny. They announce succesive resolutions to any ordeal (In this case, Ricky will sign with Real Madrid, Ricky is hours away of signing with Regal Barcelona and last but not least, the Timberwolves make a last run to get Ricky), so whatever the outcome, they’ll always be able to lead the breaking news with "as Marca/As foretold on ____ (link to the story where they announced it).
Auswolf
Are you crazy?
Love is better than Lee?
In what way?
Did he have better #’s than Lee?
Did he lead the league in double doubles?
Was he asked to play with Team USA?
GTFOH!!! LOL
That’s what I’m talking about…some people are so delusional it’s sad. Be a realist….like I can sit here and say…we have no player better than Al Jefferson but when you say things like Love is better than Lee…it really shows the basketball knowledge here.
Get it together baby!!!
This means a lot
coming from someone who can’t spell “Spalding.”
If New York is so fantastic, with endorsement opportunities that far exceed every other location, why have the Knicks been generally so miserable for 35 years? Why is the current roster so dreadful? Better yet, why aren’t NFL players flocking to play for the Jets and Giants for less money than they could get elsewhere? Why do the Yankees and Mets have to overpay for their free agents and trades? Why don’t the Rangers and Islanders have dozens of NHL championship banners hanging from their rosters?
I’m sure it sucks to be a Knicks fan, what with the team being one of the worst in the league for a decade, while paying tens of millions of dollars in luxury tax to teams like the Wolves every year. The sad fact is that even if LeBron and Wade/Bosh do go to NYC next year (they won’t) the Knicks will still be worse than the current Cavs, Heat and Raptors rosters.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
You question my sanity?
And yet could not answer the gist of my post, merely pick the bit you find vaguely contestable.
Why have Lee at $6, 7, 8, 9mil per season when I can have Love (who was at the USA Select Camp, was he not?) on the rookie scale for three more years? If your going to tell me that Lee had 1.72 more rebounds or 9 more double-doubles I am going to tell I don’t give a rat’s . Love was top 10 in rebounding in the NBA as a rookie. I believe they call that upside.
Explain to me why the Wolves should do a trade that brings in two players who’ll blow the cap and are direct duplications of players we already have? It’s getting late here, so make it quick.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
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Here are the numbers for Lee and Love
Rebounding per minute that is.
O Reb % D Reb % T Reb %
9.17% 24.64% 33.52%
13.44% 22.53% 35.97%
Care to guess which one is which?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Umm,
Well Lee must have the big numbers, coz he’s from New York…….
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
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The sad part is that Love was
a damn rookie. Like there is any real comparison between them. I can understand the LMA better than Love argument, but the Lee/Love debate should be over before it begins. Lee is one of the most overrated players in the NBA right now. Why has noone else offered him? All they have to do is offer 3 year and above MLE…and the knicks won’t match. Think most teams wouldn’t offer that for Love after his rookie deal?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions
LMA!
Is there a bluebird on your shoulder? ;)
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
Actually
he was asked to play with Team USA. Not saying that he made the team…but he is way above Lee in that list. Plus, Love didn’t play as many minutes as Lee…which is why Lee had more double doubles.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 7:20 AM CDT reply actions
On that note. If Lebrons goal is to win an NBA title. Why on earth would he go to the knicks. The knicks are worse than cavs without Lebron and he can’t win a title where he’s at. If Amare is the final piece to the puzzle for anyone why have the Suns been trying for 2 years to get rid of him.
It's always been his dream
to play with Chris Duhon and Darko.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
Excuses
“why have the Knicks been generally so miserable for 35 years? "
We have 2 championships which is more than what I can say about the Wolves.
“Why is the current roster so dreadful?”
It’s called Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas
“Better yet, why aren’t NFL players flocking to play for the Jets and Giants for less money than they could get elsewhere?”
If I recall correctly…Eli Manning forced his way to NY.
“Why do the Yankees and Mets have to overpay for their free agents and trades?”
Because there is no cap in baseball..compared to a soft cap in the NBA and a hard cap in the NFL.
“If Amare is the final piece to the puzzle for anyone why have the Suns been trying for 2 years to get rid of him.”
Because their in financial trouble just like a host of other teams in the league. It’s called cutting expenses which thank God the Knicks never have to worry about.
There’s a reason why we may be one of the bottom teams but we’re still the most valuable…..yes even more than the champion Lakers LOL.
I will still not disrespect the Wolves organization because I’m not like that. I like a fair fight so if your going to insult me looking for a reply..you won’t get a negative one.
Love is not better than Lee period. You can sit here and talk about all the minutes Lee plays if you want.
let me ask you one question
Who has ever suggested that Lee play on Team USA and has a legit shot of making the team? Ask any NBA analyst or coach who is better.
As to Lee/Love by the number…Love already has better career numbers, better PPG and Rebounds. Just accept it. Lee is overrated…and I see that you had nothing to say about the lack of offers. Hell Paul Milsap got a huge freakin offer…why not Lee again?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Um
I will still not disrespect the Wolves organization because I’m not like that
Who do you think you are kidding?
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
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it doesn’t matter because we will not trade for him. Have you looked at our roster? We have 18 million power forwards, why on earth would we trade for one more, unsigned at that, who has no trade value. You may not say it, I will god bless the Twolves, but they have the worst luck in the history of pro sports. This team has made a living off of bad choices. It has turned it into an artform all its own. Its why I don’t like the keep Rubio in spain, be bad and get awesome draft picks. Its the wolves folks. In a two player draft we are doomed to get the third best pick. I love me, though I feel like a sadomasochist for saying that
Actually.....
If you take Lebron off the Cavs….that gives you a starting line up of
Mo Williams
Delonte West
JJ Hickson
Anderson V
Dr. Z
Bench is
Boobie Gibson and Jawad Williams?
That line up will scare anybody lol.
Oh I get it…you think now that they have Shaq, Leon Powe and Anthony Parker that they are in a better space now huh?
I see what your saying now………….
way to use
the unsaid to try to make your case.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's assume the RR to Knicks rumors were true . . .
How would we feel about a foye/miller (who are expiring contracts) to the knicks for Robinson, Lee and some future draft pick (which can’t be next year b/c the Knicks traded it away). Robinson and Lee would have to sign some sort of contracts, destroying our future cap flexibility. Why would we make that deal? Who makes that deal?
It’s so silly that I’m surprised Zogs reported it. There would have to be a third team involved, and I’m not sure who out there wants Lee and I don’t think ANYONE wants Robinson.
It doesn’t make any sense. And if Kahn panics and does this (and it would be nothing more than panic to do this), that would be the last straw as a wolves fan for me.
As for the “Will RR ever come?” questions, we’ll have to see what his contract looks like. If he’s only making 1 million euros per year for the life of the contract (he’d be paid so little b/c Barcelona has to pay his buyout), then he’ll have a lot of economic reasons to come over in 2 years. If it turns out that in years 3 – 6 he makes 10 million euros tax-free? Then, not so much.
And if he is happier in Spain the rest of his career good luck to him
If a trade did happen this offseason for Rubio’s rights, it would want to be a stunning offer. And if he dealt if for anything the Knicks had, he may as well write his resignation on the other side of the trade papers.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
You
probably would take that starting 5..it’s because you have a bias right now. You don’t want to admit your wrong about what you said.
Cleveland has no young players to keep Lebron.
They are trying to win now!!!
That Cavs team without Lebron is not better than the Knicks.
If it was…I would say it.
I’m not getting paid anything to sit here and defend one team over another.
I’m just having a friendly debate with you over the facts.
Lebron is leaving in my opinion…I’m sure he’ll get asked the question alot when he’s out here for the Yankee playoff games this October like he is every year. We even have a luxory box made especially for him lol.
Rubio is just another young piece…Lebron is the big fish!!!
I would be more than happy if you guys kept Rubio (even though you won’t see him for 6 years) and we got Lebron in 9 months lol.
Kevin Mchale is probably laughing his you know what off right now at this guy Kahn.
Oh by the way…next years draft will not be better than this last draft…this last draft was weak and the upcoming one…with the exception of John Wall is terrible.
The 2010 NBA draft won’t suffer from the same dour appraisals as the 2009 draft. In fact, with so many top underclassmen opting not to enter their names in ‘09, next year’s draft could be one of the strongest in years, with several potential superstars and plenty of depth, particularly in the lottery.
Chad Ford
You make valid points, but on the note of money a poster on the DKV forums pointed out that even after the buyout money is paid from his contract he would get paid 400k more to play for the wolves than barcelona, which is why this story makes no sense. There is something amiss here. I like Ricky, but I’m getting really tired of this and Kahn has basically destroyed the goodwill he had built up over the first few months of his tenure. He will hear after every game what he could have had, had he drafted someone else. There were so many options for him. This is the stuff that doomed Mchale.
DaJoka
I want to congratulate you on becoming the new punchline for every joke on this site for the next year. We’ve finally found a rube bigger than any LMA-lover.
We may just create a Canis Hoopus trophy and send it to you.
For the record, your team is a collection of crap that has no chance to land Ricky Rubio. Any other questions?
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Sterno
It’s not silly if you know the rules of the CBA.
First…we would sign Lee and Nate to one year deals (not the qualifying offer)…this way we can trade them without getting their permission….then we would send them to you and you can either keep one, both or trade both. My guess is you would probably trade one of them.
My guess is that you would have to get Kahn, Taylor and Rambis fabulously drunk
to agree to such a stupid deal.
Besides the obvious issues with Lee and Robinson, which you see fit to ignore, your cunning plan has both of them UFA after one year in an offseason where many will have cap room.
So we are leasing two players we don’t need for 12 months for the draft rights to one of the best non-US point guards in the world.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
Yeah...
I have a question…..
Who are you?
LMAO
I like Al Jefferson but he’s coming off a surgery that is very dangerous. Make sure Rambis watches his minutes or his season will be over before it even begins but again I stress…he is one of the best big men in the league by far. Plus he has my last name so that’s a plus.
You guys place Rubio so high like he’s done something. He hasn’t done anything yet and you think a team is going to trade you all star talent for him?
Rubio is a project just like any other rookie.
The sooner Kahn realizes this the sooner he’ll understand that he needs to get something for this kid now while he can.
What happens if Rubio gets hurt?
Or better yet…what happens if Rubio doesn’t sign any contract….sits out 1 year and re enters the draft next year?
You guys do know he can do that right?
He doesn’t have to play this year at all and he can just re enter the draft next year looking for a better team to go to with a better market.
It doesn’t have to be the Knicks guys…it could be any team.
I don’t care if he’s a Knick or not….the point is…Kahn is making your organization look pretty bad here and I think it’s his responsibility to the hard working people that pay their money to come see the Wolves play to do the best you can do.
Remember…no beef guys….just veggies!!!
Who am I?
A far more informed person than yourself.
OMG, LMAO, ROFL, YAD-GFU
I really hope you’re 12 years old, because if you’re an actual adult, you have problems.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Right--
I just realized going over his/her posts that we may be arguing with someone who hasn’t gone through puberty yet. If indeed that is the case, I apologize. When dealing with children, grown-ups should conduct themselves in a better manner.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
the fact is that Rubio
is still under contract for the next two years. So even if he doesn’t play…we still hold his rights. His problem was never playing for the wolves. He may very well play out his wolves rookie deal and then sign with NY as a FA at some point in the future. But saying that he won’t play for the wolves is baseless. It is just speculation. And the fact that you don’t really know how the CBA works makes you seem like you are trying to be more intelligent than you really are. So do you really think that rubio would pay his buyout…then sit for a whole year and reenter the draft? Does that make financial sense to you?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Quotes
“So we are leasing two players we don’t need for 12 months for the draft rights to one of the best non-US point guards in the world.”
You forgot to add…he doesn’t want to play for the Wolves and he will stay in Barcelona until Kahn either realizes this, gets fired or his contract runs out.
Sad thing is…if Kahn were to leave Minn…I could see Walsh looking out for him and giving him a job here. That would be awful and I wouldn’t dare show my face back here for fear you guys would tear me a new one lol.
And you forgot to add
And the Wolves have his draft rights, a good young PG and time on their side. So he can stay in Barcelona.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
Hell's Bells
Or better yet…what happens if Rubio doesn’t sign any contract….sits out 1 year and re enters the draft next year? You guys do know he can do that right?
Well he still has two years of his current deal to go. So unless he finds $8 millon lying around, pays out the contract, remains unemployed for 12 months, he can’t do it.
And guess who is likely to have one of the worst records in the NBA next season. Us.
And guess who doesn’t have a first round pick in the 2010 draft. You.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
Ah
“Well he still has two years of his current deal to go. So unless he finds $8 millon lying around, pays out the contract, remains unemployed for 12 months, he can’t do it.”
If Rubio sits out from playing this year…he can re enter the draft and start this process all over again.
He’ll have only 1 year left for his current team and that’s much easier to work out than this 2 years stuff.
The point is…Minn would lose his rights and he would be free.
I’m not saying he would come to the Knicks but he won’t be in Minn.
BBall Street
DaJoker is asking for another NY Bailout.
by WinTheLottery on Sep 1, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
If Rubio sits out from playing this year…he can re enter the draft and start this process all over again.
He has to be uncontracted and not play professionally for 12 months.
He has to clear his Joventut contract.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
exactly
And to clear the Joventut contract, he would either have to play it out (2 more years) or pay it off. He can’t pay the buyout now to sit out or he already would have. And he has no money to because he’s been paid pennies (< 100K) from them so far.
It is not just about playing
it is about being an unsigned player. If you read any posts here you would know that already. We have been over the minute details of the CBA for months trying to understand the options. Do your research or shut your mouth…unless you want to give us some more punch lines (we really like those).
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions
He
will not play for the Wolves.
He would have to get out of his contract with his current team then sit out a year.
I can understand you holding on to hope that this kid will actually come play for you but it’s not looking good.
Like I said…we have bigger fish to fry (Lebron)…Rubio is just the icing on the cake.
He could stay in Spain forever for all I care lol.
Are you still here?
I understand that you want to be the stereotypical New York douchebag that comes around and stirs the pot, but you’re not even informed or interesting. Please go troll somewhere else, or get you’re facts straight.
Fact check:
- Rubio can’t sit out next year. He’s under contract with Joventut, or potentially Barcelona. The Wolves hold his rights in perpetuity until he enters the NBA while he’s under contract elsewhere.
- Rubio has never said he doesn’t want to play for the Wolves. Find a quote!
- Ypu’re never getting LeBron. Guess you’ll have to find a smaller fish to fry.
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It was always somewhat unlikely that Rubio would take the financial hit and play 2 years for free. In the future 2011 or if there is a strike 2012, that is completely open.
If the Wolves panic or he doesn’t seem to progress they’ll trade him until then. If they keep their cool, they can add a very nice piece presumably at the beginning of the 2011 season. At least they have a core to build around, which is yet to be determined for the Knicks. Due to their financial strength it’s unlikely that they’ll suck forever, but at the moment it doesn’t look like a depleted roster will be an amazing attraction to LeBron. Maybe to Amare who is even more of a showman with all his off-court business, but he and D’Antoni didn’t exactly end their relationship perfectly so that also remains to be seen. I like the situation the Wolves are in quite well.
There's Gotta Be More To Life
From the frying pan into the fire
IF you REALLY believe that LeBron will be a knick come 2010-11 season, you are more delusional than I give you credit for. Lee is NOT better than Love, Rubio WILL play for the Wolves and the knicks will not make the playoffs until the Wolves do.
Enjoy those nice warm NY winters – LMFAO
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by frankenhoops on Sep 1, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Here ya go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A source with knowledge of the situation has informed me that there is a 5pm press conference to be held in Barcelona a sure sign that Ricky Rubio will sign a six-year contract with FC Regal Barcelona.
If the Knicks are going to make any moves at the 11th hour, the clock is ticking, but it would appear that Rubio will be playing overseas for the next two years, much to the chagrin of David Stern and for those Knick fans who think Rubio is the perfect quarterback for Mike D’Antoni’s system.
You must work for ESPN...
“Unnamed sources” huh? F’in hilarious!!!
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
really?
we say find a source to quote and you come back with “A source with knowledge” crap? He may sign with Barca…but that doesn’t prove your point.
PS – I am sorry that you failed logic.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Press Conference
5PM today.
This is going to look really bad for Kahn.
A player he drafted with his #1 pick is going to be at a press conference to introduce himself to another team.
Damn Kahn..and to think you had the world by the balls.
4 first round picks!!!!! FOUR!!!!!
He could’ve set your future on draft night.
Draft Flynn, Derozan and whoever else to go along with Jeferson and Love.
I still believe the Wolves are headed in the right direction…this was just a little setback. They should be ok.
See
That’s you guys problems…your always looking for quotes.
Quote this
Send me the link
blah blah blah lol
Sometimes..the answers are right under your nose.
Yeah, it's a real character flaw...
To want facts to back up assertions…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
yes
but then in your case…they’re not. Your problem is that you speak in absolutes and not odds. Rubios never…., Kahn’s going to…Care to name any Euro prospect who was drafted and didn’t/won’t come over. And please don’t just say Rubio. Hell, he may play more than 2 years in Spain. But at some point he is going to want to play with the big boys and believe it or not, the way the CBA is setup, the Teams…not the players have the ultimate power in this situation. If they don’t F up and make a hasty decision….which is exactly what you are advising them to do. OMG, have to get value now….b/c we are going to win sooooo many games with someone else. So he plays…becomes a bust….we don’t sign him. Or he plays…becomes a phenom and wants to prove it against the big boys….we hold the cards. You haven’t thrown out a single logical argument for why we made a mistake. I already told you how we spent our draft picks and next year is a deeper pool of talent at the 2/3 (which we happen to need) as curry is a PG (in his head at least) and DeRozan isn’t nearly as good as his hype is.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Well there is a press conference I’ve seen that. Not sure Rubio will be at it, isn’t he with the spanish team. Someone more fluent in spanish can go to his twitter page and he tells you his day there. it was posted a short while ago. Seems odd that in all of this we have
Wolves = silence
Ricky = silence
Makes me think nothing has been decided.
I hope so
Although Kahn denied the previous rumor, as did Ricky. So the silence is equally telling. My guess is that nothing has been decided, but it is much closer than the previous report which they denied.
Also find it curious that the pioneeer press has not reported this story at all. At least on thier website. I’m in michigan and don’t have the print edition.
Yeah.
Nobody in the Wolves organization has said it was true. Then again, nobody said it was false. If a newspaper doesn’t put it on, I think first, it’s not official. Second, it might not be true.
What does this say about Zgoda? I’m pretty disappointed he actually ran a Rubio-Knicks clip..
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
That's really the one thing I can take from this.
Unless Kahn is really that stupid (and he’s not), this is a definite strike against Zgoda’s cred.
If ESPN actually has it right this time...
This is the dumbest move Rubio and/or Dan Fegan could make. They are delaying his second (potentially max) contract by at least 2 years. Throw in the potential 2011 lockout, and who knows what it could be?
This just doesn’t make sense, unless the kid really isn’t ready to leave Spain. Oh well, Kahn is a moron now. And in 2 years, he’s a genius because he’s getting a free, 20-year-old PG prodigy. Not like we weren’t thinking long-term anyway.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
For the record there were people on the DKV forums who agree with you. They point out with taxes and such he would still make more money this year with the wolves. The forums there indicated that DKV would accept either the wolves or Barcelona’s offer. Meaning the choice was ricky’s. Maybe the story leaked for force ricky to decide. Mabye he is not ready to leave home. Perhaps the bigger question is Will Kahn still have his job when Ricky arrives.
DKV Confirms
http://www.penya.com/noticia.php?id=10867
Google translation:
PRESS CLUB OF THE GOVERNING COUNCIL YOUTH SERVICE
Aquest és el comunicat que ha fet el Consell d’Administració referent al jugador Ricky Rubio This is the statement made by the Board regarding player Ricky Rubio
Amb la signatura del contracte professional, de 5 anys de durada, amb el jugador Ricky Rubio, es posava de manifest la clara voluntat d’ambdues parts de complir-lo de forma íntegra. With the signing of professional contract of 5 years, with the player Ricky Rubio, is revealed the clear intention of both parties to meet him so completely.
El passat mes d’abril, en roda de premsa i de forma unilateral, el jugador manifesta públicament la seva decisió de trencar el contracte per marxar a jugar al’NBA en finalitzar la temporada 2008-2009 i, per tant, aplicar la clàusula de rescissió prevista. Last April, at a press conference and unilaterally, the player publicly his decision to break the contract to go play in the NBA finished the 2008-2009 season and, therefore, apply clause scheduled termination.
La posició del Club segueix sent la de mantenir el jugador segons allò previst en el contracte i, en tot cas, que la seva marxa s’endarrereixi el màxim possible. The position remains the club to keep the player according to the provisions of the contract and in any case, his departure s’endarrereixi as possible.
Malgrat això, a iniciativa del jugador, es produeixen converses per tal de formalitzar el que diu el contracte, per si R. However, at the initiative of the player, there are discussions to formalize the contract says that, if R. Rubio vol abandonar el DKV Joventut i marxar al’NBA. Rubio wants to give away the NBA and DKV Joventut.
El DKV Joventut, respectant la decisió del seu jugador, actuant sempre en defensa dels seus interessos com a entitat, i en base al que es va signar en el seu dia, s’ha esforçat a fer possible una solució satisfactòria per a tothom. DKV Joventut, respecting the decision of his player, always acting in defense of their interests as an entity, and based on which was signed in its day, has sought to make possible a satisfactory solution for everyone.
En data d’ahir, després d’un gran esforç per ambdues parts, el DKV Joventut Badalona i Minessota Timberwolves han arribat a un acord que permet posar fi a la relació contractual del jugador amb el Club i la seva integració al’equip de l’NBA. Dated yesterday, after a great effort by both parties, DKV Joventut Badalona and Minnesota Timberwolves have reached an agreement that allows end the player’s contract with the Club and its integration team l ’NBA.
Davant d’aquesta situació i contradient el que ens havia anat afirmant, a nosaltres i als representants dels Timberwolves, el jugador manifesta que vol ser traspassat al FC Barcelona. Faced with this situation and contradicting what we had been saying to us and the representatives of the Timberwolves, the player says it wants to be traded to FC Barcelona.
Des d’un primer moment, mai a iniciativa nostre, hem escoltat i negociat amb el màxim respecte i claredat amb tothom, acceptant que el jugador volia marxar i que s’havia de cercar la millor sortida possible. From the first time ever in our initiative, we have heard and negotiated with the utmost respect and clarity with everyone agreeing that the player wanted to leave and had to find the best solution possible.
En aquest sentit reconeixem la importància de l’oferta presentada pel FC Barcelona, i el fet que els contactes amb els seus representants han estat sempre del tot correctes. In this regard we recognize the importance of the offer submitted by FC Barcelona and the fact that contacts with its representatives have always been entirely correct. També volem remarcar de forma molt especial, el tracte que hem rebut per part de Minessota Timberwolves que ha entès perfectament la nostra posició il’esforç que hem realitzat conjuntament per tal de fer possible un magnífic acord de present i futur, que no es podrà aplicar per la decisió del jugador, que tal com varem dir, hem respectat. We also want to emphasize in a very special treatment we received by the Minnesota Timberwolves has understood our position and effort we have made together to make possible an excellent agreement present and future, which may not be applied the decision of the player, as we say that we respected.
Visca la Penya! Long Live Rock!
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This is the statement made by the Board regarding player Ricky Rubio
With the signing of professional contract of 5 years, with the player Ricky Rubio, is revealed the clear intention of both parties to meet him so completely.
Last April, at a press conference and unilaterally, the player publicly his decision to break the contract to go play in the NBA finished the 2008-2009 season and, therefore, apply clause scheduled termination.
The position remains the club to keep the player according to the provisions of the contract and in any case, his departure s’endarrereixi as possible.
However, at the initiative of the player, there are discussions to formalize the contract says that, if R. Rubio wants to give away the NBA and DKV Joventut.
DKV Joventut, respecting the decision of his player, always acting in defense of their interests as an entity, and based on which was signed in its day, has sought to make possible a satisfactory solution for everyone.
Dated yesterday, after a great effort by both parties, DKV Joventut Badalona and Minnesota Timberwolves have reached an agreement that allows end the player’s contract with the Club and its integration team l ’NBA.
Faced with this situation and contradicting what we had been saying to us and the representatives of the Timberwolves, the player says it wants to be traded to FC Barcelona.
From the first time ever in our initiative, we have heard and negotiated with the utmost respect and clarity with everyone agreeing that the player wanted to leave and had to find the best solution possible.
In this regard we recognize the importance of the offer submitted by FC Barcelona and the fact that contacts with its representatives have always been entirely correct. We also want to emphasize in a very special treatment we received by the Minnesota Timberwolves has understood our position and effort we have made together to make possible an excellent agreement present and future, which may not be applied the decision of the player, as we say that we respected.
Long Live Rock!
Oof.
That’s the truly disheartening news I’ve read.
Can someone clarify this terrible babelfish translation? I think I must be missing something.. is it just a confirmation of what has already been discussed, or was there something truly bad in there?
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
Some potential inkling of ill will on Rubio's part.
Again— only if this report is correct. To me, that would be news.
So we’re thinking that he may have just wanted to go to Barcelona (or another Euro team) all along and that this whole song and dance served solely to get him more lucrative offers so he could get out of Joventut? I hope that’s not the case. I guess I’ll file it away until I hear a better translation and confirmation from other sources.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
Agreed about the caution.
The implication in this piece, though, was that DKV and the Wolves had gotten to a deal, then Camp Rubio swooped in and killed it. (Multiple attestation would be great here.) It doesn’t necessarily mean Rubio is playing the villain here, but potentially means that in the short term he’s more interested in Spain and financial security than his NBA dreams. Not a blockbuster revelation, really, but potentially the first indication that he won’t, in fact, play basketball for free.
ESPN has it as confirmed, but they also have quotes from Ricky saying he wants to come to the NBA and that he was impressed with the Wolves dedication. It also sounds like the buyout will be zero after 2011, unless I misread it.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4435861
“I’m very proud that the Timberwolves came to Spain to get me,” Rubio said, according to El Mundo Deportivo, which reported that Kahn; Dan Fegan, Rubio’s agent; and Joventut president Jordi Villacampa had dinner together Saturday night.
“It doesn’t surprise me because they have been there all the time, and I always said that my priority was to go to the NBA. I know there was a meeting last night, and now there’s chances for both sides,” Rubio said, according to El Mundo Deportivo.
I guess the quip about his buyout being zero was about his old contract, but they do mention he can get out of his new one in 2011.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
these are old
These Rubio quotes are old from Sunday night, I believe. Yes, we’ll have to wait for confirmation of the above story. But if it’s true that DKV and MN actually agreed on a deal and then Rubio choose Barcelona…OUCH indeed. That would be evidence that (at least for the current $$) he is not all that interested in playing in MN. And Kahn should be pissed. He expends energy to broker a deal with DKV and Rubio turns it down!
That’s why this story seems so odd. It would be pretty diabolical on Rubio’s part to engage in this long negotiation knowing all along that even if MN could get the buyout worked out that he would not go to MN.
Damn
Now you guys have to go through what Orlando is going through with Fran Vasquez. Remember him? He was drafted in 2005 and he has yet to come over yet.
You have to understand….these guys are not college players.
They don’t need the NBA…they just want to play here.
If they can’t…I’m sure they’ll be happy MAKING MILLIONS playing overseas.
Rubio doesn’t need Minn….Minn needs Rubio.
What’s the use of having a players draft rights if he’s never going to play for you?
Quick! We'll give you Rubio for Nate Robinson and your worst contract!
Anything to free us from this situation! ANYTHING!
If the Knicks re-sign UriNate
to anything close to what he’s expecting, trading for him will also get their worst contract, as well.
Rooting for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 10:20 a.m. on June 24th, 2009
PoorDick
What is Nate expecting?
Right now he has the qualifying offer on the table which we can’t take back until October 1st.
Teams did not offer Lee a contract this summer because
A) only a handful of teams had money to spend
B) why offer a player a contract when you know the Knicks are going to match it?
I thought you guys knew this stuff already…why are you asking?
David Lee...
… would have come a hell of a lot cheaper than Paul Milsap, and they play the same position. The truth is Lee is arguably the best player on your roster (or Chandler, yeah, ok… not leagues apart here), and no one made a serious run at him when he could be had on the cheap. Ouch.
Now I know why Kahn hasn’t replied, its because he is strangling Fagan right now for not being honest with him
Fegan is Rubio's NBA agent, not his Spanish agent, correct?
No way this makes sense, because Rubio’s European agent gets paid here.
TheH
How do you figure Lee would come alot cheaper than Millsap?
Don’t get me wrong..I think Lee is asking for way to much money which is why we haven’t resigned him yet but to say he’s cheaper than Millsap is crazy.
He only led the league in double doubles…he was only top 5 in FG%…top 5 in rebounds…don’t have me go on.
Lee needs to improve on his defense and that’s it.
Get back to me...
… when you find two different NBA teams willing to pay David Lee $10,000,000 for his services next season. That, my friend, is Paul Milsap money. Lee led the league on double doubles largely because (to state the obvious) he played for D’Antoni. If his teams were not taking an incredible number of shots per game, an incredible number of which are missed, we are not suffering your incessant reference to a meaningless stat that fails to account for basic adjustments to pace and the like. Please, please, please either (1) read more intelligent writing on the NBA before your next post or (2) leave an intelligent board to more elevated banter. Your drivel is stylistically embarrassing and even more laughable in its content.
TheH
Why the insults brother?
Let’s just talk…no need for name calling.
Now..you say 10 mill is Millsap money. How much did Millsap sign for?
It wasn’t for 10 million lol.
Can you even find me anyone that got paid 10 million this offseason?
Artest signed for half of that and he’s twice the player Millsap is.
As is Lamar Odom..he didn’t even get 10 million. So what are you sayiing?
This is all Lee’s agent!! He’s trying to get his client the best deal possible.
In the end…we will probably sign Lee to a 1 year 7-8 million dollar deal which also enables us to trade him during the season.
In this economy…nobody is getting 10 million per…especially when only 5-6 teams were under the cap coming into this offseason and especially with all the high level talent that will be available next year.
Do you think Minn will come away with one of the high tier free agents next summer?
DaJoka
Get it through your head. No one wants Lee. All Memphis had to do was tack on a second and third year and NY would not match. It would eat up too much space and not allow them to offer Lebron and anyone else decent. I highly doubt that Walsh is that enamored with him. I believe we call that homerism around here. Yes Milsap did get that kind or money for this year Then drops to 6.2, 6.7 and 7.2M, respectively). If Memphis offered anywhere near this…Lee would be a Grizz. Instead they got Z Randolph for 2 yrs and 33M. how does that not sting?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Rubio.....
You better hope you guys end up in the top 10 next year as far as the draft is concerned because the Clippers have your pick if you don’t lol.
Plus you guys get Utahs first round pick next year but it’s top 17 protected.
So you guys can actually not have any picks next year if things don’t go right and with the lottery…you never know lol.
We’ll have our pick. You, on the other hand, will not. Owch :(
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
Oh, we'll be bad enough to keep our pick.
Sorry, kind of a funny anti-confident statement.
TheH
Jesus bro….why don’t you say he got most of his money up front in his deal.
How much will his average be per year?
The year after he does down to 6 million.
Come on man….you have to try harder than that.
Again...
… to repeat what I said: “If you are able to find two different NBA teams willing to pay David Lee $10,000,000 for his services next season” we’ll be interested in hearing from you. Portland could have had Lee for less than $30.9 mil for four years. If you don’t recognize that, you are delusional. Again, your posts are lacking. You should try harder, not me. I can write two sentences without using an ellipsis. And for the record, we are not brothers.
What that should tell
you is that Lee is not worth even 6M a year…so he is MLE at best. We are talking Brandon Bass at best. Quit being such a goon and accept that he is not that great. He is decent and that is all. Here are the positional PER stats
Off Def Overall
PF Lee 11.5 (21.8) (10.4)
PF Love 17.6 (19.1) (1.6)
6.1 2.7 8.8
Off Def Overall
C Lee 22.0 (19.7) 2.3
C Love 22.6 (19.5) 3.0
0.6 0.2 0.7
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Conclusion
Love is better than Lee.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Taking a timeout from the sideshow:
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/david_kahn_statement_on_ricky_rubio_090901.html
So they reached a buyout agreement and Ricky decided to stay in Spain? I know he is 18, but one of the reasons why I was sold on Rubio was the poise he had in the Olympic games. Stringing Kahn along and then backing out after an agreement was reached makes me reevaluate.
OK
So what just happened is what we all thought would happen when we drafted him. He stays in Spain another two years and we get a better deal than an 18 yr old PG. How many of those actually start in the league anyway? This is much better for the Wolves
Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
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by frankenhoops on Sep 1, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Talk about smoke screens!!
This 18 year old has your entire organization eating out the palm of his hands lol.
Oh well….on to Ramon Sessions for the Knicks.
and way to try
to use empty space to sell your argument yet again.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds to me like
Rubio was told a deal was reached with the Wolves and he said….trade me to Barcelona!!!!
Damn homey…..the Wolves should at least show some sense of pride.
The kid pretty much spit in your face and Kahn just sits there and says…“it’s ok..we’ll wait for him”
Disgusting!!!
I wasn't aware
that Basketball was supposed to be a heated argument…I thought it was just business. Isn’t that what the whole organized crime rational would be…just wait until he sees the light?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
There's some truth to that, but at least the Wolves have some players to build around (Al, Flynn, Love).
The Knicks have been lousy for a decade. They committed to be bad for a few more years with the lure of cap space for top tier free agents.
But no one is coming. No Lebron, no D-Wade, no Chris Bosh. Other teams aren’t going to serve up top prospects for Wilson Chandler or the right to pay David Lee or Nate Robinson $8-9M per year either.
Sterno
I don’t care of Rubio is a Knick or not.
It’s just fun coming here and seeing the reaction of the fans when this kid keeps insulting you by not showing any signs of wanting to play in Minn.
I told you…Rubio can say all the right things in public but you see what his final decision was….it wasn’t to come play for Minn.
My argument is that he will never play for Minn.
Until that happens….I am right.
Technically
you are not right until he either never comes over or plays for some other team in the NBA. You can’t be right with a non-action.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Just for a quote example
Ricky: “The reason leading me to take this next step is to have a period of preparation to better take the challenge of the NBA in better conditions as a player. The Minnesota Timberwolves continue to be my first option and I wish to play with them in the near future.”
That doesn’t sound like someone who is adverse to playing in MN. I am not delusional to think that there may not be markets he would prefer to play in, but that he find MN acceptable (for at least the short term). So don’t be a hater. My guess is that he comes over in 2011 (assuming no lockout) and plays out his rookie contract. Then if there are a couple of teams he would prefer to play for that have lots of cap space, he bolts. If not, he signs a huge contract with the wolves and calls it a career.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Is this a post transfer quote?
I would be able to concentrate on my teaching for the next few hours if it were.
Yes it is
David Kahn, Timberwolves President of Basketball Operations:
“On Saturday night, an agreement was reached between Dan Fegan, the agent for Ricky Rubio, Jordi Villacampa, the president of Joventut Badalona, and myself on behalf of the Minnesota Timberwolves to buy out the last two years of Ricky´s contract with Joventut so that he could play in the NBA next season.
While the term sheet was being finalized Monday night, Ricky informed me that, despite considering us his first option the previous weekend – and, admittedly, after some back and forth throughout the summer — he preferred to stay at home to play for FC Barcelona, which earlier this summer had made a buyout offer to Joventut. He also reaffirmed that it was his intention to join us in Minnesota two years from now when he will be 20.
This morning I met with Ricky and his parents and told them that I understood Ricky´s decision. It was clear to me yesterday and in this morning´s meeting that the pressure surrounding Ricky and his family to remain in Spain for at least two more years had only intensified as the summer wore on and was weighing heavily on them.
The NBA is the best basketball league in the world, by far. As an 18-year-old man, Ricky would have been challenged on a nightly basis to a degree he has never experienced. In order for Ricky to meet this challenge fully, I believe it is important that his family and other people important to him were comfortable with the move to the NBA and fully supportive.
I also agreed with Ricky´s position that two more years of competition in Spain and the Euroleague will only aid his development and that he will be much more ready for the NBA when he joins us.
On the night of the draft, I explained that the decision to draft Ricky was not difficult – that he was 18, the youngest player in the draft, and we were a building team that could wait for him. Nothing has changed. When we received signals from Ricky this summer that he was considering accelerating his path to the NBA and joining us sooner, we threw ourselves into this process willingly and energetically, including meeting with Joventut on four separate occasions.
I explained to Ricky this morning that, starting today, I would now focus all my attention on the coming season for the Timberwolves and our current roster. We have begun the process to build a championship-contending team and this coming season will be an exciting one. I wished Ricky well and told him that, while I could not predict the future, I expected to see him in Minnesota soon.
I want to thank everybody who worked so hard on this process this summer, including Jonathan Blue and Dan Fegan of BEST and everybody associated with the Timberwolves family."
Ricky Rubio : “The reason leading me to take this next step is to have a period of preparation to better take the challenge of the NBA in better conditions as a player. The Minnesota Timberwolves continue to be my first option and I wish to play with them in the near future.”
Kudos to Kahn for making sure that last blurb got published.
Suck it, Bill Simmons.
My argument is that you are stupid.
Until you take an IQ test and prove otherwise……… I am right.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
What is more concerning to me...
Is the thought of another foreign team stepping in and offeriing him the fleet in two years. If Josh Childress can get 5 million a year in Europe….imagine what Rubio’s worth will be in 2011.
Rubio
No one ever listens to the guy who wants Kahn to be fired. I’ve been saying since they drafted Rubio that he wouldn’t be in a Wolves uniform any time soon. There was never a way around the buyout.
I’ve also said that I think Rubio staying in Europe for a few more years is a good thing. It will give him a chance to play more and the Wolves will have a better idea what they have in two years.
People need to stop panicking and look at the big picture. I agree with Kahn. The Wolves are in a situation where they can wait. So let’s stop the Knicks talk, because they have nothing to offer. The Wolves have been terrible for a long time and we’ve been patient, so why not continue to be with Rubio? Hi Tim Allen.
http://firedavidkahn.wordpress.com/
It sounds like they were going to give Ricky the starting job if he came this year.
If he does come in 2 years, he needs to be in a fair competition with J-Fly now.
No way you can hand the job to Ricky after Flynn puts in the work over the next couple seasons unless he earns it. Wouldn’t sit well with Flynn or the rest of the team.
All about watching
J-Fly next year. How many defenders do you think fall down trying to stay in front of him this season?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a much better situation
than having them both in their rookie years. That makes it tough for all parties. This way we have a better idea who they both are, who should start, whether they could play together, or if we should trade one. I have no problem with that.
J-Fly
So you would give a guy a starting job in the NBA for trying really hard? The Wolves are going to play the better play and I don’t see any reason why they would give the job to who is trying the hardest. I would start the better player. http://firedavidkahn.wordpress.com/
by firedavidkahn on Sep 1, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
you don't think
that someone like Derek Fisher is going to have a hard time staying in front of someone that fast? LOL.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
No because
Phil Jackson is the greatest coach ever and he’ll probably end up putting Farmar on him.
Wow
You figured out how to reply?!
Myth: Phil Jackson is the greatest coach ever.
Truth: Phil Jackson is overrated, tremendous, but overrated. He is one of the greatest coaches ever.
Is Michael Jordan underrated?
Or would you say he is better than the best player of all time?
Why is DaJoka
so sure that Rubio only wants to go to NY? Why not the Lakers? Wouldn’t he want to play with Kobe? It’s not like that isn’t the weakest position on their roster to boot. Why do all the rumors say NY? Do people still think McHale runs this team…with that whole nepotism thing with his celtics buddies. Do they really think Kahn is motivated by the same things as McHale?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 3, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
The Question....
you should be asking is…how many pg’s will use Flynn as a defensive liability?
The guy will not be able to guard anybody next year.
Good luck!!!
If he show improvement
through the year, that’s fine. He’s a rookie, no one expects him to be at the height of his powers. We’re going to lose a lot anyway, I just want him to learn.
why are you still here?
I mean, he isn’t going to New York. You don’t have anything constructive to say about the wolves that is backed up by anything appearing to be rational thought. I have to admit that you are funny. Not HAHA funny, but more like WTF Funny.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not
going anywhere anytime soon. So you might as well get used to me.
I’m going to teach you Minn fans something about basketball if it’s the last thing I do.
Rule #1…never believe what the media says and only half of what the players say.
How much do we...
..have to believe of the crap you are spewing? Because I am still at a loss trying to keep up with your mystical analysis.
Is Rule #1 more accurately stated as
“only believe what the media says if they’re from NYC”? Because you were believing what they had to say earlier in this thread, and you seem to be basing everything you think on what the media says. You don’t know how basketball works. You’re a clown to entertain us, and a clown that’ll probably be banned soon, actually.
and I suppose your sources
don’t come from the media? Or do you just rely on rumormongoring and let your personal biases determine the proper response? Never take the media at face value. All sides of any deal need to make sense. A great deal of you recommendations don’t make sense from the wolves standpoint. I don’t mind recommendation and analysis that shows thought process, lists out assumptions, etc. Show me the light then.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 1, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
K
Let’s make a deal:
You teach us what you know about basketball so we can know the truth is always the opposite of what you say.
And in turn, we will teach you about common sense and reality?
Fair enough?
I think that we
are doing the heavy lifting in this deal. IMO.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 2, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be tough
But there are a lot more of us
Stop-n-pop
Will you please ban DaJoka? Normally I’m willing to sift through some unsavory posts to find the good takes, but he’s sidetracking entire threads for hundreds of posts at a time. It is in no way worth it to read this crap.
People will keep responding
and he will keep trolling. It’s not that his posts are worthless, it’s that he’s causing other people to post worthless responses when they would otherwise be entertaining me.
Anyone else see an article from
The New York Daily News that said there was a possible option to send Rubio to NY with expirings for David Lee? The best part is that the author said it actually made sense. This was his reasoning: Because the Knicks are enamored with Rubio and Lee wants a longer term contract… How does that make sense?! How about the Wolves don’t want to trade Rubio, don’t want David Lee, and don’t want to give someone like Lee a long-term contract?
Once again
the east coast bias is showing through the media. It’s similar to a conversation I had with a co-worker the other day who said Fox news isn’t really news, if they aren’t reporting the same things that all the other news outlets are. So in other words, if it isn’t reported on CNN, NBC, ABC, it isn’t news?? makes no freakin’ sense. I think we need to overhaul the entire news reporting system, starting with the sports section.
Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)
by frankenhoops on Sep 3, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
One could argue that
none of the new agencies are really media. It all has become the equivalent of shock jock new shows. Instead of reporting facts and trying to cover ALL of the angles and assumptions, they come right out with an opinion and then try to back it up with the facts (sometimes). It’s both funny and tragic.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 3, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Most information comes from
The Associated Press. Because of this, it is very similar throughout papers and news stations. Of course there is some reporting done by employees of these papers or stations that will differ from other stations, maybe your friend just doesn’t like Fox reporters. Or maybe he is a Democrat and he doesn’t like the lies that Fox spews out to make their choice of candidate seem better in comparison?
I will refrain
from political comment…once I start….you can’t stop it (Hitch reference).
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 3, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
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