Bucks general manager John Hammond confirmed today he will not match the four-year, $16.4 million offer sheet tendered by the Minnesota Timberwolves.
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boutta burn wun maynn u alreddy kno maynnn
dat kill mayn gon chief on dat mayn less gi it sessions mayn!
MAYN HOL UP!
I couldn't put it better
if I said so myself.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I know this is wrong
But could you translate?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, stewardess! I speak jive.
I hate Pod Six. I don't even know why we have a Pod Six. Total suck pod.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Sep 11, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Yay and be merry friends, for today is a joyous occasion for Timberwolves fans. In honor of the signing of Ramon Sessions I am about to spark a cigarette of the finest pleasure herb known to man and partake to the fullest! Cast aside the dour countenance and expectations of failure cultivated by years of inept management and rejoice, for a new dawn is upon us!”
Or at least that’s what I got from it.
Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.
by Xand1 on Sep 11, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
<<>>
This is hilarious, you are gifted, Xand1…
I thought for some time that Maynholup might be Garrison Keillor, trying out his jive chops for a new book. But now I think that you might be Garrison Keillor.
The sentiment being expressed by Mr. Maynholup ...
..is the same as the following, as expressed by a typical fan in the suburbs:
Dude, great news! I am so cracking open some beers, but you guys already know that.
I am really going to get buzzed on those beers, man! Let’s get Sessions, man! Woohoo!
A more literal translation is:
Given this excellent news about Sessions, I am preparing to smoke a celebratory marijuana cigarette or two, an event the fine gentlemen of Canus Hoopus no doubt strongly suspected would occur.
The marijuana will give me an interesting feeling that I will thoroughly enjoy. I am quite happy to hear this fine news about Sessions and look forward to him playing for my favorite team, the TImberwolves.
More or less.
(678): Words of Wisdom: ordering a pitcher of whiskey cokes, putting a straw in it, and calling it your drink is not socially acceptable
Ah mayn iss so wonderful mayN!!!!
I luv de twolves mayn!!! i really do mayn i luv dem lil wolves mayn i wud roll sum’n special up ta chief on wit K Love an Dat Boi Al mayn! I know FLynn would want sum kill too mayn cuz i got dat kill mayn dat fiyah dat piff mayn! i;ma fyah wiun uv doeze up tanicght too mayn cuzz im finna git mah SIP on mayn iss gon be wayyyy too thowed ima be thowed mayn!
MAYN HOL UP!
Woooo!
I’m sorry for the Bucks. They’re losing a good PG that would be a way better back-up/mentor than Ridnour. I can’t fathom why a talent like Sessions is available at that price. Anyway, Milwaukee’s loss is the Wolves’ gain. This takes the sting out of losing Bassy, and makes me considerably more stoked for the upcoming season.
And now all we have to wait for
is Sept 27th because there is a rumored deal between the Rockets, Celtics and Wolves. Involving Aitkins and Wilkins. I have to admit I didn’t want to see either one play for the wolves. I can just hope we can get some SG/SF prospects to play some minutes at those positions.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
It sounds like the best that could be hoped for...
Is someone from the group of JR Giddens, Tony Allen, Brent Barry, James White, or Brian Scalabrine.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 11, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
When Brian Scalabrine...
makes any list of “the best that could be hoped for”, I think that should be a major red flag.
Yea that trade rumor makes me shudder. For anything other than comedy reasons (scal), we are far better off cutting the Atkins deal ourselves and keeping Wilkins. Giddens is terrible, Scal is worse and Allen is the recipient of death threats in half of the country and has the knees of a 90 year contruction worker. Bad.
As long as they are all expiring and
can work for a year…I don’t care.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't be surprised if Wolves get cash
to cover the money they could save by cutting Atkins. The Rockets can cut Atkins, save $2.5 in salary, and another 2.5M in tax. Half will go to the Wolves, with a 2nd rounder.
The Rockets don't seem like the kind of team to trade picks though.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Wolves already possess Houston's 2nd rounder next year...
If it’s not one of the picks that gets moved to OKC from the Thomas-Atkins blockbuster. They also owe 2 other picks in the next 4 drafts, so it would probably have to come from Boston.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 12, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
I wouldn’t mind Tony Allen and JR Giddens over Aitkins and Wilkins.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I only
I repeat only said that from a position PER standpoint. Allen is much better than wilkins from a productivity standpoint. And the wolves need perimeter D to stop leaving Al exposed (just a reality with Al for now). Wilkins sucks at D, while Allen doesn’t. And looking at productivity from the SG spot, Allen outperforms him there too. Don’t know much about gidden. I will admit that I think we can get more for Chucky’s contract.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
How about...
Chucky, Damien and a 2nd rounder to the Sixers for Kapono. The Sixers have a log jam at the 2 and 3 spots anyway.
do we have to throw in the 2nd
rounder? Philly could use cap relief. And that adds value to them. Maybe enough to cover the talent surplus between Damien and Kapono.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The Sixers aren't trading Kapono
They just got him this summer because they want him on their team.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 11, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
For the right deal, I'd figure they'd at least listen
It’s not like Kapono is a franchise player there. They traded a backup PF for him.
Plus, it seems like his playing time is going to be very low in Philly this season given what they have at the 2 and 3 spots (especially with the recent signing of Carney).
He's a unique guy for them, though
Carney is roster filler. Kapono is the designated shooter. They’re probably looking at a rotation of: Williams, Green, Iguodala, Brand, Dalembert, Young, Speights, Kapono, and backup PG (probably Royal Ivey). Kapono is the only one they could really expect to shoot above 40% on 3s. I’m not saying he’s a great player, but he has more value to that team than to the Wolves, considering that they’re fighting for a playoff spot.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 11, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
3pt shooters
Are there any other guys out there who are reasonable good 3 pt shooters (40% or better) that are available for a reasonable cost? Between our two PGs and big guys we could use, for at least one season, a guy who can just stand there and have everything set up for him by everyone else and drain threes. Is such a retread or one-dimensional guy out there? I’d take a flier on him for a season while 3llington, I mean Ellington gets his legs under him (so to speak).
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 11, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Some names from the top 100 in 3pt%...
5. Bobby Simmons — last year of his deal, Wolves have contracts that would match his in a trade
23. Wally Szczezzzz…..let’s just forget I mentioned him and move on
55. Larry Hughes — again, an expiring
60. Jarvis Hayes — another expiring with a cheap deal
73. Ryan Gomes — Hey! Finally, one already on this team!
88. Flip Murray — probably too short
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 12, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
To play Devil's Advocate...
Allen’s a problem for the Celtics because he’s on a team with championship aspirations. He could play for the Wolves because he’s better than Wilkins. As for Giddens, it could be argued that he didn’t play last year because the Celtics were a heavily veteran team; he had good D-League stats and is only 24, which could be worth a flyer. Not to mention that the Wolves would end up with either Scal or Brian Cook. Based on how unproductive Atkins and Wilkins are at this point, the Wolves would get better players back than they gave up.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 11, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
October 12th is probably a more important date
That’s when Blount can be combined in a trade with other players I think.
What is the rumor?
I am assuming it’s just more end-of-the-bench churn like we have been seeing in trades so far.
I can’t fathom why a talent like Sessions is available at that price.
Proximate cause is the glut of point guards in this year’s draft. For the Bucks, Brandon Jennings.
Sessions went from a) the guy every team’s knowledgeable fans thought of as a developing point they’d like to take a flyer on to b) an undervalued pickup by our own “late acting” franchise. No change in his traits as a player. Just a lot of supply.
Agreed on Sessions
Sting of losing Bassy? What will you miss most…the atrocious defense or the 38% shooting?
The blown lay-ups
I’ll miss Telfair’s hustle, and his passes on the break. I’m not suffering any delusions that he’s a great player, but I liked watching him.
Are the Rockets or Celtics in need of cutting salary?
None of the names make any sense to me.
Would we do something with those players if a pick is included?
Check out Humdinger TV on YouTube.
http://twitter.com/HumdingerTV
There would have to be picks involved to get the wolves to bite.
The wolves may take back the less desirable expirings to get picks so they can wheel and deal to get whoever they want for young talent.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Sessions
Truely I have not seen him play or really pay any attention to him . I usually am But what are we really expecting?? Any body that can find 24 scoring opportunities for MIL in a week, much less a game – is a hooper. I see a new school Brandon, Terrell. Damn, if he hurts his foot I take full responsibility. Point is, what are we getting and why so cheap?
Scored 42 in a game and still has the ability to find people to convert on 24 passes is a big deal. I am glad we got rid of Bassy to even have a chance at this guy. We are not too many holes away from a REAL team. Kahn has done a wonderful job of not out bidding himself. I would not have batted an eye if the contract had 8 more million….who would have been pissed at a 4 yr 24 mill contact offer?
I know I have not seen him play but from what I am reading and what he has done —-the contract is ultra reasonable.
When I think of sessions
I think of Bassy with better passing skills and a higher ability to finish in the lane. This makes him more productive on offense because he ends up in fewer scenarios where there is a drive that just ends in a block.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm excited to see
what this does for Love/Jefferson’s offensive rebounding numbers and field goal percentages. A guard who get into the lane on the Wolves? Unheard of.
Don't forget
Much better defense. I can’t find what site has this stat (please comment if you know it), but Sessions held his player to 94 or 96% of their regular output last year—including both his time at PG and SG I believe. I think, to sound a little cliche, he’s kinda like the Kevin Love of PGs—sees the game well, a little undersized and not overly athletic but kills you with positioning and anticipation.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
82games
Opponent PER. He did better against both PGs and SGs than nearly all of our players last year. There is alsom dmult% at B-ball prospectus, which is the number you are referring to. Both stats validate that he was an above average defender last year. When I think of Sessions, defense isn’t what comes to mind at first, but the numbers don’t lie….And he didn’t have the benefit of big Andrew Bogut anchoring the middle for most of the year.
by Rascal Flatts on Sep 11, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Do keep in mind
that stats can skew the facts. Since Bogut was out for most of the year, team would likely take it inside more often. Thereby leaving fewer opportunities for the PG and SG to score. To validate this you would have to look at Bucks opponents stats to see if they went inside more often with Boguy down versus last year.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But doesn't that also apply to dribble drive penetration?
With Bogut out, wouldn’t the perimeter types look to challenge the paint more? It’s not like there are a ton of traditional low-post players these days (which is why McHale was so infatuated with Jefferson). Teams are much more likely to take advantage of a soft underbelly by slashing and penetrating as opposed to posting up their Center. But yeah, more digging would probably need to be done to truly validate what happened last season.
by Rascal Flatts on Sep 11, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That is the one counter area
Depending on how much more often teams went to their bigs, it may prove at least that Sessions is good at staying in front of his man. Which definitely has value. Considering no one on the wolves except for Brewer could do that. There are really three types of defense in my opinion. There is traditional perimeter D where you just stay in front of your man. There is contesting shots (playing your man close, getting a hand up) and there is defending the passing lanes. Thereby forcing worse shooters to take shots or turn it over because they can’t get the ball to a better teammate.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I tend to believe
that Sessions is good at the first one…don’t know about the rest.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
By any measure
I think it’s safe to say that we don’t need to worry about Sessions’ D. Yes, stats don’t always tell the whole picture, but sometimes they tell you all the picture you need to know. Playing for half the Bucks’ minutes he held his man to 96% of their usual production. If you go by PER he outproduced the SG’s he defended by 2.5, and PG’s by 6.5!
I don’t really buy the critique that Sessions’ D may have been a function of the defense behind him as we have been complaining on this site for awhile now that Love and Al’s D is so bad because there’s nobody on the perimeter who can stop anybody. Well, which is it? NBA defense strikes me as being heavily dependent on the individual ability of a player to guard his guy, with some help from his teammates. That’s why Corey Brewer still has a job. If that notion of NBA defense is accepted, then I think it solidifies the stats suggestion that Sessions is at worst an average defender in the NBA, and represents a HUGE upgrade over what was trotted out there last year (Sessions = +6.5 PER when guarding PG’s, ‘08-09 Wolves PGs = -7 PER when guarding other PGs, a difference of 13.5 PER. That’s an entire player’s worth of production in the upgrade folks).
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Sep 11, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
No question he’s an upgrade, even if his defense ends up being average, that’s way better than what we had.
by Rascal Flatts on Sep 12, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Also
Agreed. I was just playing devil’s advocate.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 12, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Sessions undersized?
Sessions at 6’3" has good size for a PG. If he develops a reliable jump shot he’s going to be a gamer. Andre Miller with more defense?
Right now I would say Miller without the defense. Miller has been considered a quality defensive guard since Utah. Sessions was not considered a defender by any Mil fans last year. I wish he was, but his energy makes him have mental mistakes and gets killed on the backdoor cut.
I Disagree on this assesment.
http://basketballprospectus.com/card.php?id=sessira01-
Per Differential 6.5 (Albeit this isn’t my favorite stat).
I consider Sessions to be an adequate defender. Better than Bassy- no Rajon Rondo.
vs
http://basketballprospectus.com/card.php?id=millean02
Per Differential- 2.9
Hollinger: ’Defensively, Miller was adequate but hardly exceptional."
Considering ages- they’re at least currently about equal. I’ve in fact thought of doing a Fan Post on which one is better. Maybe next week- I’ll get to it. It should be noted that Advanced Stat Guru Kevin Pelton ( Chuck Berry to Daryl Morey’s Elvis- SNP) heading into the summer ranked Sessions 4th of FA where as Miller 6th.
by Jose Cordoba on Sep 11, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Brandon had a great mid-range name.
“Stop-n-Pop” is, I believe an homage to Terrell, whose jumper was described that way.
Sessions will get to the line more in one week than Brandon did in a typical month, at some point.
What an off-season!
Us hard core Timberwolves fans always maintained that McHale was not doing this job. Now that we have a few months to watch a dedicated General Manager work for a few months, we really know that McHale was worthless. Kahn has done more in six months than McHale did in the last six years. Kahn may not get every deal right, but if he gets 3/4 of them right, the team keeps moving forward.
Kahn has been active for sure (is this some kind of record?), but many of these moves haven’t been about talent. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE what Kahn has done so far with a roster in need of detonation, but it’s not like he’s been stocking the Wolves with big time players. He’s positioning us perfectly to do so though. I don’t think one could do any better in terms of adding cheap talent AND keeping our flexability for next year. The truth of it is that moving around contracts and bench player as well as back end starters (Foye/Miller) won’t mean much in terms of wins/losses. His real test will be identifying and acquiring a player that will actually matter for the future. I’m excited to see him try though. The guy has been amazing IMO.
Woot!
Nice to get something long term over the line; talent rather than a place marker.
Any way you cut it, a deal with Boston is going to be underwhelming. Sep 27 can take as long as it likes arriving.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
by Auswolf on Sep 11, 2009 3:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
In this team
Anyone here longer than 2 years is “long term”.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
GOLDEN GOD BIRDS --- >>>> PREMIERSHIP HEROES ---- >>>>> BROWN AND GOLD ARMY OF TOUGH WARRIOR MEN ----- >>>>> 4 LIFE
by Auswolf on Sep 11, 2009 4:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Has anyone noticed
that DaJoka hasn’t posted in a while?
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions
Checking.... Not since 9/5
He’s never even registered with the Knicks site, Posting and Toasting, despite being a Knicks fan.
Remember in one of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies...
how when the kids forgot Freddy Krueger, he lost his power against them? I think its best to treat Da Joka the same way and keep him from haunting these boards. =P
Or
Do we create a running punchline? Sooooo many options. Which one to choose.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 11, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
The correct option:
Create a running punch line. Wilson Chandler becomes the LMA East, and every time a small-market player does something good, he is obligated to be a Knick.
I like this option
As long as you substitute Gallinari for Chandler.
Agreed
We need to come up with an acronym for Gallinari thought…don’t want to type it all the time. (DGA anyone?)
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 12, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
But
that’s almost as long as Gallinari.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 12, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that based on D'Antoni's style
and the low regard in which the team is held, “The Running Punch Lines” is an excellent sub-nickname for the Knicks.
Delaying hope for a Rubio Revolucion since roughly 11:43 p.m. on September 1st, 2009.
FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY
Kahn has added some actual talent to the team.
That it is at PG is a minor complication.
Again, this is at least example #2
I’ve seen four or five people implying that this was the first example of Kahn adding talent to the roster…. Even if you wouldn’t count trading players for picks as “talent,” Ryan Hollins was another free agent signing.
I think Levi
was implying that this is the first time that Kahn has added starting caliber talent for THIS year’s wolves team. Hollins is “talent” but only at the backup level. Rubio is also starting caliber talent…just not this year…or next for that matter.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 12, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Levi was grousing
Kind’ve his M.O. these days.
If the contrast is between “deals that tidy up, or even just plain churn, the financial situation” and “deals to add talent,” Hollins has to count.
What the Evil Prof said...
Hollins free agent — yes.
Hollins as talent — maybe 3-5 years down the road. Of course, I hope to be proven wrong.
However, IMHO, Sessions is the first player that Kahn has brought to the team who is clearly as good or better than who the Wolves had before him at a starting position. And he has youth and upside.
Remind me about our backcourt
Last year’s starting backcourt, at the height of the year, was Telfair and Foye. The Wolves spent a significant stretch starting Kevin Ollie. This year’s backcourt, in January or so, will be something like Flynn and Sessions.
Do you like Telfair above Flynn?
How about Foye above Sessions?
Would you prefer to have Mike Miller’s performance and expiring deal in hand, or Ricky Rubio’s rights?
I think Telfair and Flynn this year are pretty close to a wash, but Flynn has significantly higher upside.
Sessions is better than Foye.
I’d take Rubio’s rights over Miller, although that’s close to a wash as well, as far as what they could net in a trade at the deadline.
Levi is right though, in that most of Kahn’s attention so far has been focused positioning himself to add major talent later. I would agree that this is the first move Kahn has made that very clearly improves THIS YEAR’s roster.
Miller's rights
I’m really not seeing Miller’s rights to be valuable at the deadline (assuming the Wolves stil had them).
In this kind of deal, we’d be likely talking about a well paid substar type on a team looking to cut $$$. Said team likely wouldn’t be looking to resign Miller to a long term deal otherwise they probably would just keep their well paid substar. In this case a garden variety expiring plus a pick or young player would likely have more value to the other team.
Another case would be us trading Miller to a contender looking for some last piece to the puzzle. The problem there is that those teams have little they’d give up that we’d want. Who’s giving up a sub star type player as they head to the playoffs? And, they don’t have high draft picks.
My conclusion is that we could net what Miller could get us at the deadline with a contract like Blount or Daniels packaged with a pick or two. Miller’s trade value as a player would have essentially been used up this summer.
by Blond Ricky on Sep 13, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome
Then we could start our intimidating front court of Blount/Ostertag. Who says our front court is too short? With Love/Jefferson coming off the bench, they would really clean the floor with other team’s second units.
by Cedarpenguin on Sep 15, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
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