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I had the good fortune of attending the last part of the Wolves' Wednesday night practice session at Bresnan Arena in the Taylor Center at Minnesota State University.  I got to catch about an hours worth of action where the team scrimmaged for 2 curtailed quarters. It wasn't the cleanest of practices and you could definitely tell that these were a bunch of guys just learning to play with one another under a new coach but there were a few notable things that I would like to pass on to all y'all:

  • The scrimmage started out with a white team of Corey Brewer, Jared Reiner, Kevin Love, Ramon Sessions, and Wayne Ellington going up against a black squad of Al Jefferson, Jonny Flynn, Damien Wilkins, Sasha Pavlovic, and Ryan Hollins. For those of you keeping track at home, the white team took home braging rights for the night.
  • Ryan Hollins has a ridiculous combination of length and athleticism. On the down side, it is pretty obvious that he lacks advanced ball skills and is probably not someone you want on the ball for a great deal of time. That being said, the guy is a bundle of energy and even in a scrimmage it was apparent that he is the most athletic big man the Wolves have had in a long, long time.  Long time readers of this site know that we have long called for the Wolves to round out their Jefferson/Love frontcourt with a Joakim Noah/Jason Thompson type player and while we'll need to see him in game action, Hollins fits the physical bill and he will be one of the most interesting story lines heading into the season.  Oh, I also caught a peak of Tuesday night's scrimmage during which Hollins put down a slam on...well, the entire opposing squad.  BTW: Over at the Strib Jerry Zgoda just put up a good article on Hollins and his potential in the front court. 
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  • One of the most interesting things about watching training camp ball is seeing how hard the free agent invites work to make the team.  The most vocal hard worker of the night was former Syracuse guard Jason Hart, who really got after it on defense while being the only guy on the court without a number.  The guy wants a roster spot and he's working like hell to get it.  Hopefully he can get a number before it's all said and done with. 
  • In a full arena filled with piped-in music, cheerleaders, screaming fans, and a whole host of other noises, it's pretty remarkable to watch an NBA squad from a few rows up in an empty arena.  Watching on TV or from the upper level of the Target Center makes it easy to forget just how vocal and physical of a game professional basketball is.  It was especially interesting to hear the interaction between the coaching staff and the players.  It was also kind of cool to see a coaching staff that includes Hang Time's Coach Fuller, a Detroit Bad Boy, and the guy who wore the best basketball glasses of the 80s.  Note to the Wolves' PR staff: every night at the Target Center needs to be 80s night.  If Hungry Like the Wolf isn't played at tip off in about a month I'm going to be pissed.  
  • Oleisky Pecherov spent the practice jogging up and down the sidelines and talking to the training staff.  He also gave out a big cheer to Sasha Pavlovic when he made a three. Perhaps it is a Eastern European thing.
  • Jonny Flynn is going to be a very good player but I think he's going to be in for a long rookie season.  On several possessions he looked like a seasoned pro; getting to whereever he wanted to go with the ball, making shots, and expertly facilitating action.  On others, not so much...to the point where I'm not sure how he could start over Sessions.  Assistant coach Dave Wohl spent a lot of time talking to Flynn about his game inbetween plays.  Wohl is the 70s bookend to the 80s Rambis/Theus/Laimbeer sandwich (JB Bickerstaff represents the 90s). 
  • A lot has been made of Al Jefferson's lost weight.  I'll just say this: it's pretty striking.  


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  • Kevin Love also looks like a new man.  He hit a few mid-range jumpers as well as a nice corner three.  As always, he controled the boards and he appears to have focused on defense over the summer.  As many of you already know, I'm pretty high on Love and I think he has the potential to be something of an evolutionary player at the 4/5.  With his combination of ball skills, shooting touch, and rebounding, I think he has the rare opportunity to be something we don't often see in the NBA: an upper level role player who is effectively unguardable while operating in the gaps of the offense.  I honestly think he sees an All Star game before Al Jefferson.  Scrapping, getting opponents out of position, crashing the boards, keeping possessions alive; Love is going to dominate these aspects of the game and the better the Wolves get, the more these things are going to be apparent and matter.
  • With the new up-tempo offense in place, Corey Brewer is going to have all the chances in the world to prove that he does or does not belong in the NBA.  As the weakest offensive link, he will have no shortage of transition opportunities, 3 point shots, and 15-18 foot jump shots in the 1/2 court. The big question for Corey will be this: Does he have a good enough handle to thrive in transition and can he make as close to 40% of his jump shots as possible?  He could be the best defender in the Western Conference but if he can't catch a hot pass from Flynn in traffic, dribble effectively in transition, or be a modestly effective jump shooter, he won't be able to balance his net +/- and be of great use to the club.  In this context, Brewer was a mixed bag during the scrimmage.  His shot looks dramatically better and he has a much more fluid release than last season.  When he hit a 15 foot jumper from the corner, he got a big rise out of his teammates.  You can really tell guys are pulling for him.  He was also very active in transition, using his length and speed to get out well ahead of the defense.  On the down side of things, you never know if he's going to cleanly catch a pass in transition and even when he was able to put together a solid drive into the lane he was unable to get to the rim to finish in what you could call a coordinated fashion.  I'll say it again: Brewer is going to get a big chance to shine this year.  It could work in his favor or it could be quite awkward.  Here's hoping for the former.
  • Ryan Gomes, Ryan Hollins, and Brewer will get all of the open mid-range jump shots they can ask for this year.
  • Get used to seeing a lot more cuts in the new offense.
  • I'm pretty sure I heard Jared Reiner tell Al Jefferson to warm up the bus about 20 seconds before the scrimmage ended in Reiner's team's favor.  I'm not sure Big Al took too kindly to that. 
  • Papa Glen was in attendance and he looked pretty good for a guy who, according to the newest Forbes list, lost $1.1 billion dollars last year.

Well, that about does it.  If my schedule permits it, I'll be back at the Taylor Center for Thursday and Friday night's practices.  If there are any questions you want me to ask to the folks on the team, please leave a message in the comments section. 

Until later.

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Kind of disappointing to hear about Flynn. Not entirely unexpected, though.

Some questions (I really wish I could watch these scrimmages):
- Flynn looked shaky; what about Sessions? Is there a notable difference in his effectiveness versus Flynn’s?

- Did Al and Love guard each other? Who came out looking better? You talked about Love, but how did Al look in game action? His usual dominant self in the low post? Any sign of defensive improvement?

- What kind of impression did Jack McClinton make?

by LoveTo on Oct 1, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Flynn...

…is a promising rookie. I think he’s just going to have a lot more ups and downs than has been talked about so far. He’s going to have a huge adjustment and I think he’s going to be more up and down than Love’s steady rise during his rookie year.

Al guarded Love and Love lined up against Hollins for what I can remember. Love got Al to bite twice on some big pump fakes and he was able to get off shots in the post and out on the wing. Al didn’t show much on either end of the court. He’s got a lot of rust to work through. He looked good running but that’s about it during this limited scrimmage. Take a lot of this with a grain of salt due to the small sample size but…well, we’ll just have to see more.

Jack McClinton is going to have a long road to the NBA. He’s too small to get off his shot in traffic and he’s not the greatest player on the ball. I saw him play a few times at Miami and he’s tough as nails and can get hot and hit from outside with the best of them but I don’t think he makes the team. None of the free agents really stood out. I’m surprised some of the summer league guys like the big fella and Kurtz didn’t get invites.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 1, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

SNP, It’s late now, but you mentioned a trade you thought the Wolves should make in a previous post???

by Blond Ricky on Oct 1, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

…eventually I’ll get around to it before the season starts.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 1, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Zgoda said in his blog that Sessions looked fantastic in the scrimmage.

Flynn is going to take his hits this year. Right now it’s a brand new playbook….Sessions and Hart are used to picking up new plays on the fly. Jonny’s not. But if his track record and confidence say anything, it’s that he’ll get there soon enough.

by Oceanary on Oct 1, 2009 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sessions...

….just looks like a steady two-way player. A really nice pick-up.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 1, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, not so much

Maybe in terms of overall talent level, I guess….

Brandon was the original “Stop-n-Pop” offensive player, relying on his canny mid range game and staying out of the lane. The overlap between his foibles as a player and Flip’s as a coach who loved the A-to-TO ratio made for frustration.

Sessions doesn’t have that jumper, and he goes inside and draws harm far more readily.

by feral on Oct 1, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get used to seeing a lot more cuts in the new offense.

…is the best part of that entire post.

We have an offense were our players actually like….move around. It’s such a basic basic part of playing basketball and yet we haven’t had it since KG was traded.

It’s going to be nice to see us actually play basketball instead of watch Al play basketball while four of his teammates stand around and watch him with the fans.

by Oceanary on Oct 1, 2009 2:24 AM CDT reply actions  

agree -- "more cuts"

is the best part of the post.

by levi_mn on Oct 1, 2009 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was more movement...

…in last night’s practice than most games last year.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 1, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Best post in a long while

An entire summer of wandering around picking up scraps of NBA information left over from the past season, and then, from out of nowhere, I get all this? Thanks, snp.

I couldn’t keep from grinning reading the part about Love. I’ve heard nothing but good things about him all summer. I’m more excited to watch him than any other Timberwolf this year.

What I’d most like to hear more about is Brewer. True, this is his season to show he belongs in the league. But our decisions regarding him are approaching much faster, as we have until October to pick up or decline his option. Does anything you saw out of him have you leaning one way or the other?

by John Doe on Oct 1, 2009 3:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Can S-n-P attend every practice?

Why, oh why, is this sort of thing not the norm for sports coverage? This is what makes fans and keeps them interested. The stuff I see in the paper doesn’t touch it.

by feral on Oct 1, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Zgoda

seems to be doing a pretty good job at keeping the masses updated on his blog, although he never goes into the type of great detail SnP does.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 1, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mid-range jumpers for Gomes, Hollins, and Brewer???

Is that a subtle way of saying that they can’t make those shots?

by levi_mn on Oct 1, 2009 6:24 AM CDT reply actions  

It's a subtle way...

…of saying that opposing defenses are going to focus on Jefferson, Love, Sessions, and Flynn and these guys are going to play the role of the Vikings QB: either they can make the relatively simple play to keep the possession alive or the team turns it over. With all the movement of the new offense, Brewer will have opportunities simply out of transition. Gomes and Hollins are going to find themselves open along the wing or near the free throw line while defenses close out on other players. I think a big key here will be how guys like Pavlovic and Ellington can stretch the d. I’m not a big Pavlovic fan and if Sessions doesn’t start, I think Ellington quickly finds himself a starting job.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 1, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ellington

I’d be interested in hearing how he’s looking/developing as camp goes along. I think he has a great chance to be a sneaky good role player for us—one of the best top caliber three point shooters in the draft, and yet he’s flying very low under most people’s radar. I wouldn’t be surprised if he averages near double figures in scoring next year. Any word on what Wolves’ brass see as his ceiling?

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Oct 1, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know

Made me cringe too. Brewer (and Gomes) could go big-time if they just started hitting those shots. Hollins, well, maybe he can learn how to do the mid-range dunk.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Oct 1, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

In defense of Gomes...

He shot a better % from 3 and 2 than Foye did last year and almost shot as well from 3 as Miller, despite having the worst numbers of his career. I’m not as worried about him.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Oct 1, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

"he is the most athletic big man the Wolves have had in a long, long time"

I’m so old, I remember when we had a big man named Kevin Garnett.

Pining for a Troy Hudson/Marko Jaric backcourt.

by SBG on Oct 1, 2009 6:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Kevin Garnett is "6-foot-fourteen"

as Flip used to say. He’s no “big man.” ;-)

(Seriously, though, Hollins probably has more hops than Garnett.)

by feral on Oct 1, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

As a pure athlete, Hollins tops Garnett. There aren’t many 7 ft men with the bounciness of Ryan Hollins. Garnett is no slouch for sure, but Hollins is the most athletic big we’ve ever had.

by Blond Ricky on Oct 1, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

A young KG...

…perhaps, but I think Hollins has him beat in the athleticism department. It’s really amazing how big this guy is compared to how well he moves.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 1, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

If He's More Athletic than KG

Then he’s the most athletic big man in the history of the franchise. We shall see.

Pining for a Troy Hudson/Marko Jaric backcourt.

by SBG on Oct 1, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say he is...

…it’s really absurd. He needs a ton of work on the rest of his game but he’s a crazy physical specimen. He’s clearly not as strong or coordinated as KG was but in terms of speed, length, and hops, the guy is a freak.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 1, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Length = Athleticism?

I’ll grant you that he might run and jump better than KG — that’s not impossible. But, if he’s not as coordinated or as strong (also part of athleticism), than I’m going to say, let’s see. KG was an absolute freak of nature. 7’1 and in his prime could defend almost anyone on the floor. I never thought he was a tremendous leaper, but let’s not go off and say some journeyman is more athletic than the greatest athlete to ever don a uniform in this town.

Pining for a Troy Hudson/Marko Jaric backcourt.

by SBG on Oct 2, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's fair...

…and I can agree with that. My point with length is that it really is kind of jarring to see a guy that long move that well.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 2, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jason Hart

I am hoping he gets a roster spot. Other than the loss of the expiring contract (which could be useful), I’ve always thought that a vet. minimum kind of guy would be a better mentor than a veteran traded here like Daniels. Hart is fighting for a career at this point and will embrace any role that keeps him employed. I know nothing personal about Hart other than he went to Cuse like Flynn. If he’s a “good guy” I’d love to have him around in the mentor type role. Better to have that guy in place than be scrambling if an injury pops up.

by Blond Ricky on Oct 1, 2009 7:05 AM CDT reply actions  

He's been around

First time I saw Hart he was on a summer league roster when they used to hold the league here. (Naturally they moved it to Vegas where there are less distractions.)

He’s been on something like 7 rosters since 2000. Guy’s a scrapper. It’d be nice to have that defensive peskiness on the bench sometimes.

by feral on Oct 1, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does the journeyman schtick have any benefit? I think it might. On a roster full of youth, it’s good to see an older guy fighting for everything he can get rather than living off an old multiyear contract.

by Blond Ricky on Oct 1, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a Sam Mitchell thing

As KG would understand.

Depends what kind’ve guy Hart would be, though.

by feral on Oct 1, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

When did "warm up the bus" become a thing?

I just googled that phrase, and found such blurbs as:

Warm Up The Bus. One false move and we’re throwing erasers.

What does it mean, exactly? “We beat you, now you’ve got to take the long bus ride home”?

by feral on Oct 1, 2009 7:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Ya

To me it means “Warm up the bus its time for you to go home” which makes no sense for Reiner to say to Big Al because if anybody is going home its him. Hopefully it was completely sarcastic…

by Funkle Jesse on Oct 1, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Jared could be in for a long

scrimmage the next time he’s matched up against Big Al!

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 1, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Leading with a John Waters photo…now that is “campy.” Great stuff. You just buried everything that has been written about the upcoming season in the last two months.

Love the Love news, and I agree, he cold easily be non-starter All-Star…the guy has a tremendous hoops IQ and seems to be extremely analytical in how and where he focuses his areas for improvement. He may never be a stat buster (save for rebounds), but he is clearly a winner, who is going to methodically add facets to his game.

I am a little less worried about Flynn. I remember watching that first summer league game and thinking we made a mistake in picking him. Then he found his groove and proceeded to have his way for the duration. Obviously, the competition has improved dramatically, but my gut tells me this kid can’t be stopped.

by DougW on Oct 1, 2009 8:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Did you think what I thought?

Which makes us ask what did they think.

by revprodeji on Oct 1, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al in the All-Star Game

To be honest, I’d be SHOCKED if Al didn’t make the All-Star game this year, pretty much by default. Shaq is gone and Yao is hurt, so who even has the potential to make the team? If Al stays healthy and equals at least 85% of his production, he’s in.

by Blakeley on Oct 1, 2009 8:07 AM CDT reply actions  

good point, but...

Fans will probably vote in Amare at the C. That leaves it in the hands of the coaches, who I think will be reluctant to vote him in unless his defense and passing show marked improvement. You really have got to be a stud to get the nod on a poor team, and frankly Al is just not there yet.

Don’t forget Bynum or Oden as a dark horse, if he can achieve even 25% of his potential and stay healthy.

by DougW on Oct 1, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

or Nene

who was shockingly good in the playoffs last year.

by DougW on Oct 1, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah...

because defense is real huge in the All Star game. Heh.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 1, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

the selection is a reward

Come on. Nobody votes to try to build the perfect squad for a no-defense game. The picks are based on popularity, individual achievement and team success. Tell me Big Al is going to be able to check more than one of those boxes come February.

by DougW on Oct 1, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Part of it is reputation.

The sportswriters tagged Al as the biggest snub last year. If he plays at the same level this year, and nothing crazy happens (i.e. Bynum stays healthy and plays at the high end of his potential) then Al goes.

by Punisher#8 on Oct 1, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Plus I think Al’s defense will improve this year with a top notch coaching staff that makes it a priority. If the coaches hold the perimeter D to task and Al isn’t exposed all of the time then you will see a pretty big change in how he is perceived. If he performs even close on the offensive side of the ball and shores up his D, he is going to the All Star game either as a starter or as a reserve.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 1, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree there’s a decent chance he gets the nod…just making the counterpoint that it is not a layup.

Another factor to consider: a massive defensive improvement gets him up to passable/average…is that going to be enough to overcome the 5-10 less shots pg he gets in a more balanced, more uptempo offense?

I haven’t seen much said of this point, but Al is almost certainly going to see a substantial drop in touches, plus the FO has already made it clear that they expect him to start passing more.

by DougW on Oct 1, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is Al Jefferson averaging 18 and 11 a huge snub, when Love may be putting up 15 and 12 right next to him?

by DougW on Oct 1, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think his fewer touches

gets offset by him getting the ball in better placement. As long as the touches come away from his jumpers and not his layups and short game you may not even see his scoring decrease. Let’s face it, Sessions is much better at running an offense then bassy and foye.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 1, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or any other 2.5 PG types the Wolves put out there.....

The last two years, watching Wolves PGs attempt to get Al the ball in position has been painful. At times, especially two seasons back, three slots on the floor have had a primary responsibility of “feed Big Al.”

We don’t really know how effective Jefferson can be playing with a legitimate point. His touches might not begin with someone already backing on his back down on the block every time. Novel.

by feral on Oct 1, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see

I think Al will still average over 20 ppg this season (assuming he’s healthy and playing his regular minutes). He may be asked to pass more, but with a higher pace there will be more shots taken per game, so I think (at least until we see some games) that it should be close to a net wash. The hopeful thing is that with this new offense Al should be able to take better shots—that is, he will hopefully become more efficient. Kareem didn’t score all those points despite the offensive system he was in.

Again, we’ll see, but I think Al will thrive in this system. He’ll be the hammer at the end of the fast break.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Oct 1, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

mystic penguin

I also think the new coaching staff can help. If Rambis starts receiving favorable national coverage for the positive changes he brings to this team, it might help put Al in a better light even if the team isn’t winning.

by mystic penguin on Oct 1, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm skeptical

Every coaching staff talks about making D a priority. Al himself has talked in past offseasons about making D a priority. And I distinctly recall in the spring of ‘08 Randy Wittman benching Big Al in the middle of a Supersonics game due to his lackluster defense. Al proceeded to dominate in the second half and also the next few games. He’s been held accountable before, but I don’t think it’s something he can sustain, nor do I think the coaching staff can move the needle much on a 5-year veteran. As a result, I think it’s very possible Al has the most difficult time of anyone ultimately adjusting to the new regime. He will no longer be the focal point of the offense (albeit still very important) and he will continue to play questionable defense. It’s very possible he’s involved in a blockbuster trade before this time next year as Kahn looks to put control of the franchise in the hands of skilled perimeter players with Bigs in the mold of Hollins and Love that can be effective without the ball in their hands.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 1, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will reserve judgement

until after this season. If with coaches like Rambis and Lamb, he still can’t get it…then he never will. Let’s face it. Wittman and McHale weren’t consistent teachers. I know McHale had a lot of moves to teach, but true development was not his forte. Wittman was just a hard@$$. The problem with a lot of players is that you need one of your top players to value defense and hold people accountable. We haven’t had that since KG. Al is not that guy, but with a guy like that I think you would see Al’s defense come up to snuff.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 1, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with RF

even though I am trying to remain objective and keep making the token statement that "I’d like to be proven wrong. " Part of the problem was that Al was undeservedly given the “franchise player” and “team leader” mantles upon arrival.

So far he seems to be doing and saying all the right things, which is very good. I just wonder if he can mentally adjust to a lesser role and real criticism of his game? Can he cede authority to Love…the obvious cerebral leader of the team who is off the charts in his understanding of the game, and Flynn…the likely emotional leader, who drips charisma and heart?

by DougW on Oct 1, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does the description of Al...

Remind any one of Elton Brand? Consistently posting solid offensive numbers, but doesn’t really make people around him better, establish himself as a vocal team leader, or contain his man on the defensive end….?

by Boss10 on Oct 1, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all

Brand prior to his injuries the past two seasons was a far superior defender to Al. He was also a better passer, albeit not great.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 1, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone else noticed?

That Al seems a lot more upbeat and lot more vocal this camp? I’ve always thought of him a kind of a quiet guy who did what he did on the court and that was that. Now he’s talking about what Laimbeer can teach him, about how he’s ready to run (and backed it up with weight loss and rehab too), and how he realizes what it takes to step up yet another level. Taken in context with Love’s frustrations with how he was handled by the prior regime, I wonder if Al was kinda bummed out coming here—or at least had his enthusiasm dampened. At any rate, he seems to be coming out of his shell now, and I’m looking forward to how all these player development stories work out this year.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Oct 1, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just so I know what everyone is talking about...

… where can I read something on Love’s frustrations with his earlier handling?

by TheH on Oct 1, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Star Tribune sports page

a couple of days ago.

He thought he didn’t get enough minutes last year, chafing under McHale’s “Save The Rookie” plan. And at the same time, admitted he wasn’t in true NBA shape when he came in.

by levi_mn on Oct 1, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's another difference.

Al wants to (and was starting to be prior to the injury) a clutch end-of-game scorer. When this team makes it back to the playoffs, you have to have a player (or if you are lucky players) like that. Even flawed ones – see Gordon, Ben in the Bulls/Cavs series. Brand was never that type of player.

by Punisher#8 on Oct 1, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brand

averaged 25 PPG in ‘05-’06 with excellent efficiency. He put up better offensive numbers than Al ever has. That being said, I agree that Al seems to have more of a scoring instinct and repetoire. But his inability to draw contact and hit the mid-range jumper at a higher rate holds him back from breaking into the elite group of scorers. You’re right though that he was really on fire right before the injury. I could definitely see him career-wise being a better scorer than Brand, but not necessarily a better all-around player.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 1, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t argue with you here. I don’t remember exactly which season that was for the Clips, but Brand has always been solid and I remember he had one really good year. Different players.

I would also hope that K-Love will let him on the fact that sometime drawing the foul can be as good or better as being able to get your shot off w/o it being blocked. Al could draw more fouls, but he doesn’t because he can get it off.

by Punisher#8 on Oct 1, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think at this point, with the new direction the franchise is headed, I’d definitely rather keep Love than Jefferson.

by LoveTo on Oct 1, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Triangle

Thanks, SnP. Selfishly, I hope you have the time to go tonight and tomorrow. Remember, your family is always there, the Wolves only hang around for a week. Remember what’s important!

My question is two-fold. First, can you describe what the triangle offense is, exactly? Second, how much triangle do you expect to see out of the Rambis Five?

by A.K. Agikamik on Oct 1, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

The triangle is

Part basketball voodoo and part jedi mind trick—why else do you think Phil Jackson is the only one successful running it? It requires a zen master to pull it off.

(tongue firmly in cheek).

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by biggity2bit on Oct 1, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

From what I can tell...

…and this is coming from a guy who is dorky enough to read books on coaching basketball and has a fairly modest grasp of NBA sets and terminology, the triangle is there but in terms of what that means in reality, I don’t see a whole lot of anything other than a bunch of pretty standard ball movement and cuts to the basket. I’ll ask around tonight about the whole triangle thing and a good way to explain what it means to fans. Right now, it just looks like a lot of movement focused around overloading a side with 3 guys…i.e. the triangle. It focuses on spacing and cuts. I suppose we’ll also have to do a post on the term “pinch post”. It’s pretty obvious they’re still in the very early stages of installing an offense and most plays didn’t develop long enough to get to the 2nd and 3rd options or to swing the ball around to the weak side. I’m pretty stoked about this aspect of the practice as I’m a huge proponent of 7SOL. Basketball wasn’t created to be a 1/2 court game and it should go rim to rim as quickly as possible.

What will be interesting for the Wolves, and what you could already see last night, was that Flynn and Sessions are going to initiate the offense and in a triangle offense, they bring the ball up and head to the corner. Ideally, you’d like a guy who could shoot from that spot (i.e. Derek Fisher) but the Wolves have two slashers who have either unproven (Flynn) or non-existent (Sessions) outside shots. If they bring the ball up and pass it to the wing, you are going to see Gomes or Brewer in the corner while they stay up top. Here’s hoping all that work Gomes put in on the dribble over the summer pays off because Brewer isn’t going to be breaking anyone down of the dribble in the 1/2 court from the corner. It’s not that he won’t have the opportunity to do so…he just lacks the handles.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 1, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great stuff, S-n-P.

Been dying for a post like that for some time.

Here’s my wish list if you get to Th/Fr practices:
(1) How’s Ellington settling in and how does he look on the court?
(2) You say Love looks like he has put in defensive work over the summer. How does this translate to the product on the court? More effort? More lateral mobility or better positioning, etc.?
(3) What sort of presence does Rambis have as a coach and teacher?
(4) How are the assistants involved? (You hit on this a little bit with Wohl, but I’m curious about the other guys, too.)

by TheH on Oct 1, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

With Love...

….his defensive positioning is already noticeably better. Last year he got out of position enough to be noticed and I didn’t see any of that yesterday. Granted, it’s a small sample size but he was also moving better side to side and he challenged some shots. He also didn’t get shoved around by Hollins or the Iowa farm boy. Rambis kind of hovered on the side line and let his assistants do a lot of the talking. He popped in every now and then but it was hard to tell from where I was sitting exactly what he was saying. Theus and Laimbeer were pretty active.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Oct 1, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Solid.

If the small sample size is a foretaste of the feast to come, I’d be fine with that. Love the rebounder and Love the pick-and-pop nightmare will only be slowed in this, or any season by Love the defender. If he shows real defensive grit and commitment AND develops a solid mid-range game in the next year, I’ll be thrilled. And IF that happens, I’ve got to think that puts Al in a slightly more precarious position long-term, as well.

by TheH on Oct 1, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding Flynn, I also expect him to have a very up and down season. He’s strong and explosive, but he’s still a hair over 6’, and guys like that tend to struggle from the field early in their careers as they adjust to the size/athleticism of the NBA. Still, if he shows glimpses of his potential in between his rookie struggles I’ll be pretty happy. Luckily for us, we can expect steady play from Sessions to balance out the mercurial play we’ll be seeing from Flynn.

I’m very excited for this season. I really want it to get here fast, but it seems so wrong to inadvertently wish for Winter to get here faster.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Oct 1, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Glad to see a more sober viewpoint of Flynn on this thread

I think Kahn and Co. have pumped him up quite a bit this offseason, to the point where expectations may be unrealistic. Charisma and leadership are great, but you don’t win games playing rookie defense and throwing the ball away 4 or 5 times. And I think we’re going to see a lot of that with Flynn this year; just some god-awful games. It’s OK if he learns from it and grows.

by Rascal Flatts on Oct 1, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have been wondering...

if Sessions won’t end up being the best NBA PG of the Rubio, Flynn, Sessions group.

Both Flynn and Rubio clearly have extra special things they do (speed and court vision) but to be an NBA PG it takes a complete set of skills and most players aren’t able to develop the full set.

Sessions may not be anything more than a good to very good starting PG…but that’s alot.

by Django Z on Oct 1, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would say it's possible.

But Flynn and Rubio both have undeniably higher upsides, don’t they? I see it as more likely that at least one of them reaches their potential. I would put the money on Sessions being the second best out of the three.

by LoveTo on Oct 1, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think overall

you will see a fairly constant improvement from Flynn over the season. The more PT he gets and the more teams try to “test” the rookie he will play just god awful until he learns how to cope and adjust. I feel pretty confident that he will learn to adjust pretty fast, but it will take some time. I think year two when he gets a whole offseason to work on his game once he knows what he needs to work you you will see a breakout year.

by TheEvilProfessor on Oct 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that seems to be the way of things with good rooks. Up and down, inconsistent rookie years followed by big steps forward in year two. They have a year under their belt, which allows them to come into year two knowing what to expect, both in terms of the rigors of an NBA season and the types of teams/players they’ll be going up against. It’s really all about confidence, as well, and in year two they begin to realize that they can play on par with NBA studs vs. being intimidated playing against childhood heroes. This is why I expect to see big things from Mr. Love this year, and hopefully Flynn can sort of follow in that path, though I don’t expect him to do anything on the level of Love and his rebounding last year.

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Oct 1, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

There’ll be some godawful 1-10 with 5 TO games for sure, but, hopefully, there’ll be those 18/10 explosions where we see glimpses of what he can do to balance out the stinkers. I have high hopes for him, but not so much for this year. Being small and a rookie PG is not a recipe for first year success..

Jennings: F*** the Knicks, them n***** is always going to be weak.

by Xand1 on Oct 1, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s nice that we have sessions to take over if flynn is going to struggle mightily at times

by JiveLive on Oct 1, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Also...

from timberwolves.com

Quick thoughts from camp on Thursday:

 —Most of the conversations taking place in Mankato involve the famed triangle offense. Essentially, the center, forward, and guard form a triangle while allowing multiple offensive scenarios to trigger from a particular pass to one side or the other. At this point in the training camp process, the players are learning the basics and then stacking new information each day. Head coach Kurt Rambis stated the guards burden the most responsibility in this offense that was perfected by Lakers’ coach Tex Winter.

—Ryan Gomes discussed the necessity of movement without the ball in the triangle offense. The former Celtics forward said the offense differs from the type of sets he ran in Boston, where everything flowed from Paul Pierce. Last year, the Wolves initiated most of the offense through Al Jefferson and waited for double/triple teams to collapse in the paint. Expect to see more movement this year from the guards and forwards around the triangle.

—The team committed a portion of the morning session to defensive drills as well. While the five offensive players quickly passed the ball on the perimeter and inside the paint, the defense moved side to side. Assistant coach J.B. Bickerstaff preached the importance of anticipation from the defensive unit. Ball pressure and team defense are an obvious point of emphasis for the Wolves this year.

—Rambis does not think Oleksiy Pecherov will be ready for the preseason opener on Sunday against Milwaukee. Pecherov is dealing with a sore wrist but continues to participate in all of the drills.

by JiveLive on Oct 1, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

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