Sixers to sign Carney to one-year deal.
by KGMN on Sep 8, 2009 8:48 PM CDT
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The Sixers are about to sign swingman Rodney Carney to the fourth-year guaranteed minimum of $855,189, which would give them 13 players under contract.
Carney, 25, is expected to compete for minutes at shooting guard/small forward. Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young, Willie Green and Jason Kapono are the Sixers' other wing players. He had hoped to receive more than the minimum, but was unable to find a team willing to give it to him in this economy.
The 6-foot-6 Carney, who played his college ball at Memphis, spent his first two pro seasons with the Sixers after they traded No. 13 pick Thabo Sefolosha to the Bulls for the 16th selection (Carney) and a 2007 second-rounder on 2006 draft night. The Sixers dealt Carney and journeyman Calvin Booth -- along with a first-rounder -- to the Timberwolves in a July 9, 2008, salary dump to create enough cap space to enable them to sign free agent Elton Brand to a five-year, $82 million contract.
Last season, the athletic Carney, who made $1,655,760 in 2008-09, averaged a career-high 7.2 points in 17.9 minutes with Minnesota, which declined to pick up his fourth-year option. His career numbers are 6.5 points, 42.8 percent shooting and 34.0 percent from 3-point land in 204 games.
This is disappointing news for the Timberwolves if this is true. He would have really helped us out at the wing and get David Kahn's "run-and-gun" style going. Carney, who improved a lot in Minnesota, is coming back to Philly with his speed, his dunks, and his shot. He is coming off a great season and, if this is true, I'm wishing him good luck with the Sixers.
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I agree
But I’m willing to see what Kahmbis has up their sleeve. The Hollins move was completely off my radar, but strikes me as being in the same arena as Carney. That is to say, let’s not confuse the impact of resigning Carney with the impact of signing Sessions—the best comp is Hollins. And if they were able to unearth a Hollins, risks included, maybe they believe they can unearth something better than Carney (and maybe they already have something lined up—the long rumored Brown + Atkins deal?).
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Agree Carney would have been a great fit if the Wolves are forced to “run-n-gun”, he will be missed. Even more minutes for Ellington now. If the Sessions deal is finalized, Ellington should get more PT than Flynn. Thoughts…
The rotation
C – Jefferson (35), Hollins (13)
PF – Love (32), Songaila (12), Hollins (4)
SF – Gomes (30), Brewer (12), Wilkins (6)
SG – Brewer (16), Sessions (16), Ellington (16)
PG – Sessions (18), Flynn (30)
by Rascal Flatts on Sep 8, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank You
I’ve seen too many crazy proposed line ups this summer.
This one is the most sensible I’ve seen.
I’d give Hollins his PF numbers back, and put Jefferson at that slot- not that it matters much.
But, it would be nice to see 4-10 minutes of PF from Al, just to see if it matters.
Otherwise, you’re dead on.
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Nice! Somebody else who uses the minutes system .. like!
I think it’s getting more and more obvious (I also remember a quote saying about the same) that Kahn wants to give Gomes and Brewer a chance to show what they got at SG and SF.
We got Rubio!
by Wim (Belgium) on Sep 9, 2009 5:49 AM CDT up reply actions
not quite right
Jefferson – (30) C/PF. The guy just came off an injury. Why would they overplay him if they don’t really need to win right away?
Hollins – (25) Only at C. He’s young and they obviously like him, they’ll at least give him a chance. If he clearly can’t play that well he’ll play less in a couple of years, when the games actually start counting.
Ellington = (25+) SG. Once again, why wouldn’t they give him a chance?
Sessions – (30 total) PG/SG – I don’t think he’ll spend that much time at the two since there are other options, and if he and Flynn are on the court together they’re pretty much interchangeable anyway. Wouldn’t Flynn benefit from playing off the ball a little?
Are either Gomes, Brewer or Wilkins really SF’s? It just seems that if there is a hole in the roster it is clearly at that position. That’s why the Carney signing made sense, especially since it would have been such a cheap and flexible contract. But I’m sure Khanabis has a plan.
I really don’t see Gomes getting 30min. Number one, he clearly demonstrated last season that he is not effective in major minutes, number two, he’s a know commodity who has pretty much reached his ceiling (that being a capable 8-9 man off the bench).
I think they’ll give Ellington all the minutes he can handle and that Brewer will likely receive the majority of the SF minutes. Gomes will only see major minutes if Ellington struggles to the point that his confidence will be damaged by too much time on the court.
Plan B will be using some of the expiring contracts at the deadline if an opportunity arises for a good young 2 or 3.
I don't think Sessions
will spend only spend 18mins at PG. I was thinking 26mins for Flynn and 22mins for Sessions at PG with Sessions having 8-12mins at the 2. Kahn has been stressing how young Flynn is and how he didn’t expect them (when Rubio was on the radar) to average 30mins as a rookie
Well....
We just don’t have much depth or experience in the back court so I don’t see how Flynn doesn’t get around 30 MPG. Who do you give the extra 4 minutes to if Flynn plays 26 MPG? Ellington?
by Rascal Flatts on Sep 9, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe 16 MPG
is all that Ellington can handle. Others may view his talent and potential differently, but I’m basing that off of the historical efficacy of rookie 28th picks. And 16 MPG for a 28th pick, even on a bad team, is plenty of time to show he still has a lot of work to do!
I don’t like Gomes playing 30 MPG either and I totally agree that the 3 is an area ripe for an upgrade…..On the other hand, he plays relatively mistake-free basketball and brings a level of stability to our perimeter lineup. Ideally we find a way to get Josh Childress or Rudy Gay on our squad at some point and bid Ryan Gomes adieu. But with our existing roster I have a hell of a hard time figuring out a way to realistically limit his minutes.
I view the 2 as a 3-man platoon between a defender (Brewer), a shooter (Ellington), and a ball-handler (Sessions). That leaves less minutes for Brewer to play the 3, where I think he’s less effective anyway.
by Rascal Flatts on Sep 9, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You're probably right...
on all counts. Kind of depressing heading into a new season knowing that Ryan Gomes is going to be logging starter minutes, but on the bright side…at least the Clippers won’t get our pick.
Slowest front line ever: Big Al, Love, Gomes…?
You obviously don't remember the 90's Knicks.
Anthony Mason, Anthony Bonner, and Larry Johnson weren’t exactly clydesdales. Neither were Patrick Chewing or Charles Oakley
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 9, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
oops
I meant thoroughbreds. Either way, the 90’s Knicks weren’t sprinters.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Sep 9, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Not unless they want a bidding war
Carney is unrestricted.
This may be a side effect of putting things on hold waiting for the Sessions offer to become final on Friday.
Good luck to him. And to think I dubbed him the Carneyvore and will be unable to use it again. That is the hidden tragedy….
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by Auswolf on Sep 8, 2009 9:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good Riddance
Carney is vastly overrated by the posters here. He lacked Ball-Handling, Passing Skills, and Defensive Instincts. He’s not some underrated gem- this is why no one in the league really wanted him. Heck- no one in Europe really wanted him either.
If Carney wasn’t hitting threes- he was a liability out their on the court. I’ll also note- he wasn’t much of a rebounder- and Dave Berri listed him as Negative Producer of Wins. But since Carney can run fast and the Wolves want to run- we should have kept him. I don’t buy it for a second.
He was overrated
But I think that the combination of him being young, exciting, playing for us recently, and being a swingman all led to him being a player worth mentioning for our roster.
The fact is, there aren’t many free agents out there that are better than him anyway, let alone including players at the 2 or 3. This is all even without mentioning how cheap he could be signed for. He’s not great or possibly even average, but given our current roster needs, his age and athleticism, the emphasis on player development we espouse, and the aforementioned state of the free agent market, I don’t see him being too terrible of an option.
Being our 2nd or 3rd option at the 2/3 spots is more appealing to me than Damien Wilkins anyhow.
To the contrary
I believed that Carney would be an excellent role player on a running team. It’s what he does.
At the moment, I really don’t like the composition of the Wolves roster. Not that Carney would significantly change much. Mr. Kahn needs to pull a very large rabbit out of a very small hat.
"Good Riddance" implies some ill-will
Some of us liked Carney okay. It’s not that we overrated him as a player. There’s a difference.
The guy was a minor bright spot last year during the team’s only surprisingly good stretch in about four years. He had limitations, like most marginal roster players. Of course he did.
(Just for the sake of a little continuity, at this minimum salary figure, I might have brought him back given the choice. Right now guys like Love and Jefferson are probably feeling like Kahn has pulled the rug out from under a roster full of guys they got on well with. Another, comparable wing at the same contract from elsewhere doesn’t smooth that feeling out.)
More Carney
1. He’s 25- I tend to doubt they’re all sorts of untapped upside.
2. Comparing him to a terrible player like Damien Wilkins really proves no point. Wilkins shouldn’t see the court at all.
3. We’ve got guys to give us minutes at the 2-3 (Although if Sessions doesn’t sign we’re a bit stretched). Rascal’s idea is quite workable.
Fair enough
I know what you’re getting at and I agree to an extent. He has more weaknesses than strengths. He also isn’t going to improve a lot at his age. For the most part, he is what he is. But being an athletic pre-prime wing player who isn’t injury prone and is not terrible is worth being interested in if you are a young team who wants to run and has a shortage of wings and athleticism. The connections make some sense for our team.
I just think that you’re being a little too harsh while also overstating the hype and expectations people have for him. I doubt the prevailing view was that he was underrated or has all sorts of untapped upside. In some people’s cases, that may be true. Overall I think people were more understated in their interest in and praise of him than you attest.
But do you argue that he’s not worth the minimum for one year to occupy a roster spot at a thin position? He’s making much less than he did last year. That’s pretty good value with very little cap hit for a 1-year rental. Just because it took this long for someone to sign doesn’t mean he’s terrible either. It took us until Friday to sign one of the best FAs in this class. Needs and economic issues possibly played a part, including the fact that like Sessions he probably waited until he could get as much as possible (which in both cases is at a discount). I don’t think he’s worth fretting over losing by any means, but I also think he’s good enough of a value to this team to not dismiss so strongly.
This is not meant to be a compliment of Carney, but his current offensive game is probably Corey Brewer’s maximum upside.
Carney vs Brewer
Brewer’s a vastly better defender, passer, and rebounder. Brewer also gets into the lane at a better rate as evidenced by his higher free-throw rate. He’s also younger.
More Carney
His Athleticism consists of running fast and dunking. When you lack Ball-Handling skills- this minimizes his contributions here- big time. The question is “What’s Hot Rod’s upside on a good-team?” I tend to doubt he sees the court- so there’s no reason to get broken up over this. I’d rather see more from Brewer and Ellington along with even Sessions.
Also if Kahn is putting an emphasis on shot-creators (Rubio, Flynn, and Sessions) I can clearly see why they’d get rid of one of the poorest in the whole league in Carney.
As far as whether he’s a good value- I tend to think this is real debatable considering his production level.
The idea that we’re short on the wings- so we need to sign a fringe league talent to fill the void makes no sense. Carney doesn’t help long-term.
Even though
the wolves want to be a running team, at some point you need to produce in the half court. Players like Flynn and Sessions can play both because of their passing skills and ability to play the pnr. How often are you going to be able to drive through the lane in a half court set with enough room to catch the ball and get to the rim? Carney’s 3pt shooting is okay at best and if it isn’t in transition, he becomes an offensive liability from an efficiency standpoint. I think the one aspect of the triangle that Rambis will try to implement is the ability to move the ball around in the half court when everything else breaks down….Carney would prevent that.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 9, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
not quite right
Jefferson – (30) C/PF. The guy just came off an injury. Why would they overplay him if they don’t really need to win right away?
Hollins – (25) Only at C. He’s young and they obviously like him, they’ll at least give him a chance. If he clearly can’t play that well he’ll play less in a couple of years, when the games actually start counting.
Ellington = (25+) SG. Once again, why wouldn’t they give him a chance?
Sessions – (30 total) PG/SG – I don’t think he’ll spend that much time at the two since there are other options, and if he and Flynn are on the court together they’re pretty much interchangeable anyway. Wouldn’t Flynn benefit from playing off the ball a little?
Are either Gomes, Brewer or Wilkins really SF’s? It just seems that if there is a hole in the roster it is clearly at that position. That’s why the Carney signing made sense, especially since it would have been such a cheap and flexible contract. But I’m sure Khanabis has a plan.
I almost believed it was the man himself.
Panic stations turned into happy land after we beat an inferior opposition like God wants us to.
You gotta love it when 10 minutes into the match you turn to the Hawk supporter next to you and say: "What the hell were we worried about all week?"
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Does Carney fit into a "Princeton" offense? Probably.
Eddied Jordan’s been talking system all summer. He softened the ‘Dre Miller loss partly by saying Philly didn’t need a true PG any more, just “talented guards.”
I can see it, sort of, from the 76ers’ perspective. Not that I can figure out what they’re doing this year, much.
Carney/Princeton Offense
The Princeton Offense doesn’t need a True PG per say- since so much of it relies on involving mulitple players passing and off-ball movement. I don’t think this Offense fits Carney’s skill-set too well (Although it’s dependent on Floor-Stretching) So Carney can jack up all sorts of threes. This would seem to be to me where Philly could use him as they’re not a great perimeter shooting team.
Too late for Flynn to shift back to number 10?
Or has the NBA Live production team gotten too far in the process?
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