Prowling the NBA: Jan 17 - Isn't this familiar
Haven't we danced this dance before? A massive league suspension, a #1 pick out for the year, a trade deadline...
It is said that history repeats itself, and it would seem the NBA is no exception. The names may be different but the stories all seem the same, from Arenas to Blake Griffin to McGrady...well, this week has been full of NBA "truth and rumors". And of course, that trade deadline thingy is fast approaching, and teams are talking.
There's also some Wolves bites at the end: reaction to the Jefferson/Granger trade rumor, a video documentary on Ricky Rubio, and Ricky's highlights with his new team.
We'll get to the trade rumors in due scrollbar, but let's start with the players who most definitely will not be playing anytime soon...
Gilbert Arenas has plead guilty to felony charges as a result of having firearms in the Wizards' locker room:
For those of you not up to speed, check out the Prowling the NBA posts for Jan 3rd and Jan 10th.
The summary goes something like this: Arenas was storing guns in his lockerroom, which is against NBA policy and Washington DC law. There are reports he also drew one of them on teammate Javaris Crittenton, who drew one in return.
Arenas refused to take the situation seriously, which resulted in NBA Commissioner David Stern suspending him indefinitely without pay last week, even though the police investigation was still ongoing.
This week, DC prosecutors made their first legal charge against Arenas: one count of possession of a firearm without a license (Arenas has a license for the guns, but only law enforcement has license to carry them outside of personal property in the nation's capital). A court conviction would result in 5 years of prison time for Arenas.
ESPN unfortunately doesn't allow their videos to be embedded. For a more informative, comprehensive report, watch the ESPN's Outside the Lines vid here. (Very worth it)
Arenas finally got serious about the situation and reportedly agreed to a plea deal that will make the guilty count official on his record, but will keep him out of significant, and maybe any jail time. Arenas' defense attorney Kenneth Wainstein said that prosecutors have agreed to pursue the low end of the punishment for such a conviction; 0-6 months of either jail time, probation, or a combination of both.
Arenas is to be formally sentenced March 26th. It should be noted that the punishment the prosecution pursues is only a recommendation; the judge can sentence Arenas to the full 5 years, although that seems unlikely in this case.
Wainstein released a statement saying, "Arenas accepted full responsibility for his actions, acknowledged that those actions were wrong and against the law, and has apologized to all who have been affected by his conduct."
Police are also conducting an investigation into Crittenton, although no details have been released beyond a search warrant for his home to locate the alleged firearm he had.
Also of issue, as reported last week, is the possibility that Arenas' contract may be voided by the Wizards under the morals clause.
If the prosecution is successful in keeping Arenas' punishment to a minimum, it's unlikely that the Wizards will be able to successfully negotiate the clearing of Arenas' contract, since of the three votes the Wizards would need, the NBA Player's Union will most certainly vote no, and an outside arbitrator would probably lean towards the no side as well, considering that no lives were ever in danger (the guns were unloaded and no ammunition was stored with them)
However, if the sentence runs into the middle-to-high end of the maximum (2 years or more of jail time), the Wizards would have much more solid ground to stand on to cut Arenas loose, as he would thus be in prison for the duration of his contract, and the more severe penalty would certainly come with a more severe list of why Arenas was so out of line to use in arbitration.
For a good debate on the Arenas situation and his contract (and a video that is much more interesting than the one posted above) I turn you to Kenny, Sir Charles, and the always interesting TNT Studio Show.
Seriously, it's a good video to watch. Lots of points raised.
As I said last week, one of the compelling reasons Stern had for suspending Arenas in the manner he did is that, if Arenas' contract is voided, it would be up to individual NBA teams, not the league itself, to determine if Arenas will return to the NBA.
Unsurprisingly (or perhaps surprisingly for some of you...), Arenas already has suitors...
The Orlando Magic and New York Knicks are both reportedly interested in Arenas:
Should his contract be voided and he becomes a free agent of course.
Ok, the Knicks, quite honestly, shouldn't surprise anyone. It's a brash city. They're a rebuilding team. Arenas has many of the same qualities on the court as Steve Nash, coach Mike D'Antoni's former quarterback with the Suns, and Arenas would give the team some much needed star power at what one would assume would be a fraction of any other star's price.
Keep in mind, this was the team brazen enough to take on Latrell Sprewell, after Spree's contract was (basically) voided over the infamous PJ Carlisemo choking incident (for those of you who don't know about that, when Sprewell was playing for Golden State, he attacked and choked his then-head coach PJ Carlisemo in practice)
I say "basically voided" because an arbitrator later reversed the clearing of Spree's contract, which led to the Warriors trading him to the Knicks.
The Magic also make sense in a way.
Certainly, Arenas' ability to hit jumpers from nearly anywhere inside the halfcourt line would mesh extremely well with Orlando's kick-and-shoot offensive system. Arenas is also a better shot creator than the Magic's current point guard, Jameer Nelson, and less of a liability on defense (although that's a matter of average versus slightly below average there...)
Orlando has gone with the all-in, spend everything and bet the farm on top of it approach to teambuilding this year. With little money to burn, Arenas would be a steal for them, at least on the court.
Of course, all of this is next year speculation. Arenas won't be back on a court at least until his sentencing at the end of March, and by then, the Wizards' season will be all but over.
And speaking of players whos seasons are over...
Blake Griffin is officially out for the season:
This will be the second time in 3 years that the #1 overall pick in the draft won't play a single minute his first year in the NBA.
Griffin injured his kneecap October 23rd and was projected to be out until about the 20th of this month, but medical tests showed that his knee wasn't healing properly.It was determined that Griffin would need to undergo a second surgery, which will keep him out 4 more months...the duration of the season.
Griffin has had a history of knee problems already (he missed a good portion of his rookie year of college), and the Clippers no doubt are thinking of Greg Oden's season ending injury (likely caused by mistreatment of the same injury Griffin has) as well.
The injury is a big blow to the Clippers' very legitimate playoff hopes (No seriously...). When Griffin's surgery was announced, LAC was just 3 games out of the playoffs.
Unfortunately, Griffin wasn't the only one to have his season shut down this week...
Michael Redd is out for the season:
Redd tore both is ACL and MCL last week, the second time in as many years he has lost a season to an ACL injury.
"I'm shaken. You never expect it to happen and it happened again," he said. "Today has been a very hard day. But I've had incredible encouragement from my teammates. I'll get through it."
"I cried. I had worked so hard to get back to where I was. It hurts. I'll get back to where I was again. As soon as I tried to explode, I heard a pop. I was talking to my wife today about this and I said I wouldn't give up. I hurt and I was devastated by it. But my wife encouraged me."
Injuries have unfortunately dominated what would otherwise be considered a star career for Redd. He is 4th all time among Milwaukee's franchise scoring leaders, behind only Glenn Robinson, Sidney Moncrief, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. His 11,510 career points far eclipses Ray Allen's 9,681 in that regard.
The obvious unfortunate news is that this injury could be career ending for Redd. ACL injuries are very damaging and very difficult to recover from, and this is now Redd's second in an 18 month span.
Like the Clippers, the Bucks are very much in the playoff hunt, currently sitting at 9th place in the east.
Unlike the Clippers, the Warriors have no hope of making the playoffs, and that's not all...
Anthony Randolph is out at least two months with an ankle injury:
And just when he was really getting going too...
Randolph tore two minor ligaments in his left ankle and reaggravated a previous sprain. Prior to the injury, he had finally been moved into the starting lineup, averaging 13 points and 7 rebounds in that role.
The injury isn't anywhere near as serious as Redd's but two months will still be almost all of the remaining season.
Ok. It's finally on to trade news.
Tracy McGrady maintains he is 100% healthy and ready to play:
As does his newest trainer, ATTACK Camp fitness guru Tim Grover.
"One-hundred percent ready to go and he's been ready," Grover told The Post from his Chicago athletic compound where he's been working with McGrady since Christmas. "No limitations, no anything."
"Any team who wants to come down to Chicago, to come look at it, I don't pull any punches. Put him through anything they want him to put him through. Whether it's a trade or buyout, he's ready to go."
The Rockets continue to say they will not buy out McGrady, even if they can't work out a trade for him.
Among the teams out there...
The Knicks, Wizards, Bulls, and Sixers all have interest in trading for McGrady:
We should probably just add "Knicks are interested" to every trade rumor out there. It'd save a lot of typing...
Knicks: The Rockets already rejected salary trades for Jared Jeffries and Eddy Curry, but are reportedly willing to talk if the Knicks are willing to make Jordan Hill, Toney Douglas, and/or Wilson Chandler available.
Wizards: Washington is still contemplating blowing up the roster in the wake of the Arenas issue, and McGrady has been linked to them in return for names like Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison. Butler is the younger of the two, which would seemingly make him more ideal with youngsters Aaron Brooks and Trevor Ariza, but Jamison plays a position the Rockets need more help at and would be a great compliment to the post prowess of Yao Ming, or a strong replacement for Yao's scoring if he doesn't return. It would certainly be easier for the Rockets to move Louis Scola to center and bench Chuck Hayes than it would be to decide whether to bench Ariza or Shane Battier.
Bulls: This one's coming out of left field to me, because the report is the main player being exchanged is Joakim Noah, who...by all other reports....is one of two players the Bulls do not want to move (the other being Derrick Rose, obviously). It'd make much more sense for both the Rockets and Bulls to talk Tyrus Thomas and Brad Miller, but the report I read said Noah, so....
Sixers: I reported this last week, but the Sixers and Rockets are still mulling (playing chicken...?) over a proposed McGrady for Andre Iguodala and Samuel Dalembert trade. The Rockets still won't talk unless Iguodala is on the table; the Sixers still aren't willing to do that. The Sixers are, however, considering a firesale if they can't start winning some games soon, so one never knows.
All in all, Rockets general manager says he has seven (7) teams with definite interest in McGrady right now.
Speaking of the Knicks getting rejected, here's another deal that's already been nixed...
The Utah Jazz rejected a Carlos Boozer/Drew Gooden trade:
A smart move, and a clear signal to the rest of the league that it'll take more than cap relief to get Boozer by the deadline.
The Jazz earlier traded Eric Maynor to the Thunder, which brought their total salary down to a level Jazz ownership felt was acceptable to pay, making it much easier for them to hang onto Boozer and thus raising his trade value accordingly.
The Denver Nuggets are "working feverishly" to acquire Jeff Foster from the Pacers:
The Nuggets believe (rightly so) that they need to add another rotation big man to really compete with the Lakers, and Foster seems to be the target. He's not much for scoring, but he's an insane rebounder and solid defender.
The Nuggets however have two rather big problems they'll need to work out to make this happen:
Obstacle No. 1: Foster has one more season left on his contract after this season at nearly $6.7 million and has a 15-percent trade kicker in his contract. The Nuggets are already looking at $5 mil in luxury tax payments and somewhat gutted the team already to get that figure down even that low.
Obstacle No. 2: Unless the Nuggets are willing to part with Ty Lawson (not happening), they'll need to find a third partner to make the trade work, because the Pacers aren't interested in role playing swingmen.
One odd thing I uncovered while doing background research on this (mainly comparing Denver's bigs to LA's). Chris Andersen is statistically more helpful to the Nuggets than either Kenyon Martin or Nene, and not just because he does this:
The Nuggets score more points per 100 possessions with Anderson than any of their other bigs. That's surprising, because who would think a team would score more with Birdman than KMart or the former Hilario?
Ok, I admit I added that point just to have a reason to post that vid. Seriously people...that's one hell of a block.
The Pistons are looking to deal, probably in trades involving Richard Hamilton and/or Tayshaun Prince:
They want to move Hamilton, but it's going to be easier to move Prince.
The Pistons were fairly forced to spend big over the summer (signing Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva, and Chris Wilcox) just to field and acceptably competitive team, but with the season looking more and more like a lost cause, the Pistons are looking to try and break even on those signings so the team will have some capital to burn over the summer.
Ben Gordon (and to a lesser extent, Rodney Stuckey) makes Rip completely expendable. Nor does Hamilton fit with a youth program. But Rip's contract runs two more years after this season; Prince's runs only one more, for less money, and he's a younger, more diverse player. The Pistons also have young small forwards Jonas Jerebko, DaJuan Summers, and Austin Daye to man the 3 spot, making Prince somewhat expendable as well.
Next, and this should surprise no one...
The Bulls are (still) looking to trade Tyrus Thomas:
Or, more accurately, Vinny Del Negro is desperate to get rid of Tyrus Thomas. Even with no real leads and Thomas back and outperforming Taj Gibson, the Bulls are determined to trade him by the deadline.
Thomas did not receive and extension off his rookie deal over the summer, but retains his qualifying offer (like Rudy Gay), meaning whatever team acquires him can assure itself of him staying simply by sitting back and matching the first offer he accepts over the summer.
Should the Wolves be in on this? The Bulls are reportedly willing to take on just about anything to deal Thomas. He's young, supremely athletic, a gifted defender (albeit not always a smart one...) and has tons of room to improve in all areas.
I think he develops into a better Kenyon Martin (meaning a non-injured Kenyon Martin) with time and the right coaching staff. And I'd love to add Kenyon Martin to this team. This is one of those rare cases where we could make a big impact trade without paying a big impact price. Or hardly any price at all....
The Miami Heat are looking to...avoid a luxury tax bill:
The likely scenario would involve Miami trading a low-salaried player to a team below the salary cap that could absorb the deal without sending a player back.
From a numbers standpoint, one potential move could involve swingman Dorell Wright, whose $2.9 million salary would essentially wipe out Miami's tax.
With James Jones difficult to move because of the three years remaining on a contract that has a significant guarantee, the Heat also has other low-salaried players at the end of its bench who could be moved. Among that group are Daequan Cook, Carlos Arroyo and Jamaal Magloire.
Another possible deal to get in on for the Wolves. Daequan Cook in particular could really help the shooting woes we constantly struggle with.
Well, that covers the big trade rumors of the week. Next up is news on February's other spectacle: All Star Weekend.
Eric Gordon and DeMar DeRozan will have a dunk-off to determine which will compete in the dunk contest:
A new twist on an old idea; last year the NBA let fans vote in the fourth participant with Rudy Fernandez beating Joe Alexander and Russell Westbrook.
This year the candidates will hold a dunk contest amongst themselves first. DeRozan and Gordon will get two dunks each during halftime of the rookie challenge on Friday, Feb. 12. Votes will be sent in through NBA.com and text messaging, and the winner will move on to the actual dunk contest.
No word yet on who the three participants are who have already claimed a spot, but if I was a betting man, I'd say Shannon Brown is one of them:
And speaking of the dunk contest....
Dwight Howard says neither he or LeBron will be in the dunk contest:
In an interview with FanHouse before Wednesday's game at Denver, Howard was asked if there's any chance he will take part in next month's event in Dallas. Howard said last month he didn't expect to compete.
"I don't think they're going to announce my name (as a participant),'' he said.
When asked about leBron, Howard added, ""Me and him are talking. I don't know if he wants to do it. We do a lot of dunking during the season so those dunk contests take a lot out of you. ... I would love to see him get in one. But I doubt he does. I don't think he's going to do it.''
"I think LeBron understands that the dunk contest is different from dunking in the game. If you're out there in a game, the adrenaline is pumping, the crowd is there and you're dunking for real. In the dunk contest, it's just you."
"So it's a different scenario. I think he's more a game dunker than a dunk-contest dunker. ... Dunk-contest people want to see stuff they've never seen before, and there's not too much that can be done that hasn't been done already.''
LeBron still says he's 50/50, and added he's under a lot of pressure to compete. It's a tricky situation for someone of his ego...on one hand, he doesn't want to end up losing to a Shannon Brown or Eric Gordon. On the other hand, if he's going to really exceed Jordan and Kobe....
For good measure of course, Howard did add, "Every dunk that I've done in a dunk contest, I've been practicing those dunks over three years. So there's a lot of dunks that I haven't even done yet in a dunk contest that people haven't seen. I just decided to keep it to myself. Even last year in a dunk contest, I had a lot of dunks I just decided not to do that I should have done. I would have had two titles."
For the record, I think Dwight's best contest dunk was the one everyone overlooked:
I was much more impressed by that than Superman. The precision and hangtime it takes to do that, especially for a guy who's 6'11", 280 lbs....
Draft Watch:
S-n-P has begun work on a comprehensive draft forum and stat analysis, so this week I'll point you all to the Draft Board #1 2010 topic and let you get this week's fill of draft (hehe...) there.
Next week we'll keep going with coverage of our chosen picks, which I'll continue through the rest of conference play. Depending on how S-n-P wants to manage the Draft Board however, I might eliminate this section starting in March Madness and let all the draft talk happen in his dedicated draft posts.
And finally, the Wolves...
There are no jealousy issues between Al Jefferson and Kevin Love:
I think this was a pretty far-fetched claim for Woj and his "sources" to make in the first place, but just so we're clear, here's what Jerry Zgoda had to say on his Star Tribune blog:
Jefferson called the claim nonsense, but used a no-nonsense word to say so.
"That's (nonsense) to me," he said. "I hate to say that. Kevin is like a son to me in this league. I believe in tough love with him. There ain't no chemistry (issues), no jealousy, ain't nothing like that going on between me and him. I don't know where that came from or who made it up. That's just (nonsense.)"
While he talked to reporters after the team's shootaround in Denver, Love came over to where Jefferson was seated, fell on him and embraced him with a big, heavy hug.
Later, as Jefferson continued to speak, Love stood 70 feet away and with a smile yelled out that he was "jealous" all the media members were talking to Jefferson rather than to him.
"I just thought it was funny," Love said. "Al and I haven't had any problems since I got here. It's kind of laughable to me. He has been helping me out all along. I took my biggest steps last year because of him, this summer because of him. He walked in this morning and we were laughing about it. It's one of those things speculation and rumor. There's no jealousy going on here."
Kahn has said he will use this entire season to evaluate such issues with the team. Coach Kurt Rambis refused to comment on the Yahoo! Sports report because he said it's team policy not to talk about rumors.
Asked if trade rumors might swirl always as long as the two are together, Love said, "I don't know. That's why I get paid to play. I don't get paid to make decisions. I don't really take them (trade rumors) seriously. I heard I was getting traded in the summer. I heard everybody was getting traded in the summer. We'll see what happens before the trade deadline.
"I don't think Al's going anywhere. I don't think I'm going anywhere."
As Love talked to reporters, Jefferson walked by toward the team bus and yelled out to Love that he loved him.
"Love you, too, man," Love yelled back.
And last but not least...
A couple of Ricky Rubio videos:
I was searching for mixtapes of his recent games with his new team, and found a pretty sweet short documentary on his life. It's a great watch, with some strong insight into how he became so good so young:
And of course, I still found a great video of him with his new team, Regal FC Barcelona:
For more Rubio coverage, check out Wyn's Regal FC Barcelona vs. Montepaschi Siena Gamethread and Cap'n'Hack's Postgame Rubio Thoughts post. Good stuff.
Perhaps this will start to really scare teams away from drafting big men first.
Certainly it won't be a center getting called up #1 by Stern this year.With any luck, the decision about who goes at that spot will be ours. In the meantime, there's still half a season to play yet, and there's going to be a lot of player movement in the next month, so stay sharp and read up.
Until next week....
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I agree, getting Tyrus Thomas this summer could fill that "third big man" defensive void, if we can do it in a fiscally responsible way. .
Not in a trade, thomas is a restricted free agent so make the Bulls match.
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 17, 2010 12:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer to trade for him...
….and let us do the matching. The Bulls won’t try to keep him, but another team can still outbid us during the summer.
by Oceanary on Jan 17, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would they take Gomes?
Or only expirings?
by Blond Ricky on Jan 17, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather get rid of someone else
and if we do get rid of Gomes, I would prefer it to be where we get the savings or use him in a one-sided deal to give another team savings. Just think of the possibilities for a one-sided deal for Gomes… we would be getting a pretty good player.
by Mplax on Jan 17, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not how the cap space works
Given this roster’s salary structure, the option on Corey made Gomes’s departure almost inevitable.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Jan 18, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Short version
Discussion of the cap space involved.
Once we committed to Brewer’s $3.7 million for next year, it became almost a foregone conclusion that Gomes would get shipped out one way or another. Probably, probably the better move would have been to let both of them loose come next summer, when you get down to cases.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Jan 18, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brewer's shown enough that picking up his option was worth the risk
As for Gomes, we can simply renounce his rights if cap space becomes an issue over the summer. But I doubt we’ll be signing a player or players good enough that a $4mil difference in cap space is going to be a huge problem.
by Oceanary on Jan 18, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defeatist thinking
As long as we start from the assumption that any free agent we sign wouldn’t be significantly better than Brewer, your position might be reasonable. Start from the assumption that we should try to do better and the decision looks bad. Simply bad.
But this has been done to death.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Jan 18, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm working from the assumption that...
…we aren’t going to sign LeBron, Wade or Bosh over the summer, which are the only players worth enough that picking up Brewer’s option would be an issue. If that $3mil is the difference between signing Rudy Gay or Joe Johnson or not signing them, we’re already paying too much.
by Oceanary on Jan 18, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I don't get your point
or how this affects trading Gomes at all. My point was that I wouldn’t want to give up Gomes for Tyrus Thomas when they would be willing to accept an expiring contract or two. Gomes could be used for a team over the cap looking to dump salary. Much the same that we got Tucker, except on a grander scale.
by Mplax on Jan 18, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grander than Alando "I have an NCAA post-up game in a guard's body" Tucker?
;-)
The thing is, it would actually be slightly to the Wolves’ advantage to deal away Gomes, as opposed to an expiring (or two), in terms of the cap space next summer. If the Wolves wind up waiving Ryan they’re not quite as good against the cap.
And as far as preferring to keep him around, that isn’t an option unless some other fairly significant moves happen to open space, or unless we’re actually dealing into one of those veteran-on-a-longer-deal players who get kicked around a lot the last year or so, like Wilkins or Kevin Martin. That’s where I’m peeved over the Brewer thing. Gomes is a “bad ’tweener” and all, I get that, but he’s at least able to function on the floor, and unlike Brewer his defensive play actually shows up in some tangible ways I appreciate, at least at SF. (Check out Brewer’s opponent PER by position sometime.)
Brewer is a player I like, but he’s not worth his money, and not wanting to take the “risk” that he’ll get a deal much higher than his worth has just in all likelihood cost us the ability to keep Gomes around. That sucks. I hate to see decent options closed down for no reason.
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by feral on Jan 18, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tucker was an insignificant part of that deal
we got a second rounder and cash to pay for Tucker… so we basically got a free second rounder and a free Alando Tucker, if he ever plays. All that to take $1M of salary off Phoenix’s books. Just think what $4M could do for someone. That’s right around the cost of a first round pick… plus a 4M player.
As for Brewer, you have to remember that Big Al isn’t the only player coming back from injury. Brewer has also shown some tremendous improvement on the offensive end, and once he gets his form back from pre-injury (and maybe once Rambis installs an effective defensive scheme), he could and should be a decent defender again (or above average). Also, as I have already repeated numerous times when Brewer was under heavy fire at the beginning of the year, opponent PER is an absolutely terrible metric. It doesn’t account for the fact that Brewer wasn’t guarding his guy for most of the time and the fact that many of Brewer’s teammates were blowing their rotation assignments to Brewer’s man while Brewer had just rotated to another guy. Opponent PER ignores who the person is guarding and only takes into account the position that the player is listed under. It also doesn’t account for the effect that Brewer has on his teammates’ guys. Those steals he was getting at the beginning of the year and the extremely difficult blocks in transition, that gets credited to another player in terms of opponent PER. I’m sure you know all of this and thus I typed most of it in vein, but they are still important and must be taken into account when citing opponent PER. I’m well aware that Brewer is still at fault here, but I’d have to think that his defensive effect, no matter what opponent PER says, is greater than all but maybe one or two other peoples’ on the team. The eyeball test (obviously I have not seen all games or focused on Corey during every play that I have seen, and the eyeball test has just as many faults as opponent PER) tells me that Corey is one of the only (if not the only) players still trying at the end of the games. He’s effective at staying with his man as long as screens are not involved, but then it also becomes someone else’s temporary assignment to stop the basket until Corey can get back to his man. Again, Corey should be able to fight through some more screens, but at some point, asking him to be able to do this against guys who cheat the screen like KG is just ridiculous. I’d also say that Brewer’s defensive plays show up in the steals and blocks he gets more so than anyone else on the team. That is pretty tangible, and in fact it is more tangible than opponent PER. I’d say that for the production, Brewer is worth half(?) of what Ariza is making. Especially for the upside potential. I agree that I would rather have Lebron or Wade than Brewer on the team, but that’s not realistic. It’s not even defeatist, it’s just unrealistic. JustAFan has told us that Kahn has even been “surprised” by how people don’t have any interest in signing here, so that $3M probably won’t be an issue in the least. Also, Kahn has said publicly that he doesn’t plan on making any FA signings this summer. That was a really long rambling of stuff that didn’t really pertain to the original question… sorry. But yeah, I agree that Gomes is on his way out at this point, if for no other reason than because we don’t use him to his potential while a lux tax team or a contender could.
Back to the original point though, how does picking up Brewer’s option affect trading Gomes and how does cap space have anything to do with Gomes?
by Mplax on Jan 19, 2010 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me begin by saying, I think we keep Brewer as a rotation player, but so far he is NOT a great defensive player. What you see is a guy who gambles a lot. He doesn't stay in front of guys.
Remember when Brewer was healthy and he tried guarding Ginoboli and I think Carmelo (not sure about Carmelo). But there were two opponents guarded by Brewer who went off for 40 plus..
Do I think Brewer has the tools to be a great defender, yes. But he isn’t there yet and wasn’t there before he was hurt.
[Note: What your eyes see on the court, with Brewer, is lots of deflections, steals etc, but you need to do those things while being fundamentally sound on defense. Brewer hasn’t been. ]
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 19, 2010 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's an essential problem with Brewer
He plays a gambling defense on a team without a gambling defensive strategy. Put him on a team like the Warriors, back whenever they had a full basketball team, and he would have an impact because the team played defense t create turnovers, more so than to stop scoring. The frantic pace worked, to some extent, but only because there were multiple quick players wreaking havoc by jumping into passing lanes, swiping at the ball. On this team, he ends up being the one hyper kid chasing the ball all over the court in futility. I love the energy but not the execution. As constructed, the Wolves need wings who can stay in front of their man and prevent, to whatever extent possible, penetration. Because once the defense breaks down and guys need to help and rotate all hell breaks loose.
by dropstep on Jan 19, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
essentially agree, but Brewer could go for fewer steals, deflections etc and be a one-on-one lock down defender. Long arms, quickness, lots of energy. He could be a great "on the ball defender".
But he needs to be “retaught” to play that way.
Do think the wolves can learn how to rotate well. But where on some teams wings can gamble a lot, because they have a great shot blocker, that isn’t the construct of our team. But I do think Love and Jefferson can rotate to cut of the angle and play very good positional defense. Thats why so important for wings and PG to play fundamentally sound defense and keep their man between their knees.
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 19, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were to guess....
….I’d say they’d take expirings without a fuss. The Bulls’ plan is to pursue a big name free agent big man like Bosh or Boozer over the summer, so cap space is a a valuable asset for them.
They haven’t actually said anything though. Usually teams figure out what a team wants by the deals they reject, but no one’s made an official offer for Ty yet.
by Oceanary on Jan 17, 2010 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What good are expirings
If that can just renounce his rights this summer? Why not hold on to him a bit longer to see if he turns it around. I guess it depends on how bad Del Negro wants him gone.
by Cedarpenguin on Jan 18, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Official offer"?
New category, there. We haven’t heard rumors, is that it?
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Jan 18, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, there's plenty of rumors
Trade talk around Thomas has been constant pretty much all season, dating back to the rumor that he’d be going to Utah for Carlos Boozer that came up in July.
By official offer, I mean no team (at least publicly) has said “we will trade _ for Ty Thomas”. It’s all just value-gauging phone calls and media speculation right now.
by Oceanary on Jan 18, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No team ever, ever says that kind of thing.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Jan 18, 2010 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
?
How else do trades happen? C’mon, they don’t just materialize out of thin air.
For example, the OJ Mayo/Kevin Love trade, Kevin McHale has been quoted saying he got a call from the Grizzlies saying “we will trade you Kevin Love and Mike Miller for OJ Mayo.”
I mean, if someone doesn’t say we will trade ____ for ____, then how do trades happen at all? Magic?
by Oceanary on Jan 18, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem.
You’ve just said: “Usually teams figure out what a team wants by the deals they reject, but no one’s made an official offer for Ty yet.”
What I’m asking is, how the heck would we know? What you’re talking about, as I said above, is rumors. When teams reject a deal, or when they’re rejected, they never openly admit to doing so for the consumption of the public. There is no category of “official” trade offers that somehow are more than a rumor. That being my point.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Jan 18, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference
For example, it’s a rumor that Boozer might have gone to Chicago for Ty Thomas. A trade was talked about, but neither side made an offer.
On the other hand, it’s official that an offer was made for Boozer by Dallas, and was rejected. So that wasn’t a rumor…it was an actual trade proposition.
You can’t reject a trade unless an offer is actually made in the first place. We know when trade offers are officially made by them being reported. It’s possible that offers have been made for Thomas that don’t make it to the media, if that’s what you’re saying, but there’s most definitely a difference between speculation and official trade propositions.
Piecing together what we do know, it’s highly likely that the Bulls will be content with expiring contracts for Thomas. They feel he’s expendable and they’re most definitely looking to spend big over the summer on a legit big man. But until there’s a report that the Bulls accepted or rejected an offer for expiring deals, we don’t know that for sure.
by Oceanary on Jan 18, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well written as always, Oceanary.
I think that if our beloved Puppies are to make any moves at the deadline, being a third-team facilitator using our cap space and expirings makes the most sense. I don’t want to make any decisions on the Big Al/Love deathmatch until the offseason when we know where all of our draft picks fall (ours + Char/Utah).
I do like the idea of trading for Cook. I wouldn’t mind Thomas if we didn’t have to give anything of major value up for him. Rambis was considered the big man guru for Bynum; maybe he can bring out the best in TT (with a little education in nasty from Laimbeer thrown in for good measure).
by SoDakHmr on Jan 17, 2010 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What's up with Cook's shooting numbers?
Over three years, he’s put up 36.9/35.9/84.6 from the field. He’s slightly above average on three pointers, but can’t hit anything inside the arc, except at the free throw line? 82games says that 95% of his shots are jump shots, and he’s not that good at hitting them. I’d definitely pass. Who’s he taking minutes from that is definitely worse than him? He hasn’t been much better this year than Pavs, and Pavs is already on the team (plus, he’s having a down year).
by KMils on Jan 17, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's been pushed into a specialist role
The Heat are trying to appease Wade, so they are more concerned with wins and less concerned with developing their young talent (except for Beasley).
James Jones and Dorell Wright are in the same situation….Jones only plays when the team needs shooters, Wright when the team needs defense.
by Oceanary on Jan 17, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Wolves absolutely need to be involved with any talks around the 76s or the Pacers. If the 76ers go into the fire sale mode, the Wolves have to absolutely do what it takes to get Iguodala. He’s like a cross between the best parts of Corey Brewer and Jonny Flynn. As for the Pacers, well, if the Nuggets are truly interested in Jeff Foster, why shouldn’t we try to make it into a three team swap to get Danny Granger. In fact, here’s a truly nutty trade:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygr8rr4
With this I would also send either the Utah of Charlotte pick to Indiana. That way Indiana saves $6.5 million next year and gets a pick out it, plus Al. The 76ers save $24.5 million, get to about $11 million under the cap, and basically have a chance to reboot the franchise around Jrue Holiday, Marreese Speights, and Lou Williams.
The Nuggets get Jeff Foster, like they wanted.
And the Wolves get two borderline All-Stars (until this year, though I don’t think anyone thinks of these seasons as anything more than minor blips for Granger and Iguodala), and Elton Brand, who at worst would be a 4 year backup to for the bigs, and at best would able to be traded in the offseason for a better fitting piece. The Wolves are at $61 million for next season, but they are now set at four of five positions. Also, even if this group took off immediately, the Wolves would probably still have a top 5 pick.
Anyway, I think the Wolves should be able to put together some type of really nice trade between now and the deadline.
by McCleak on Jan 17, 2010 1:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why would Philly trade Andre Iguodala for nothing?
Even the awful Pau Gasol trade netted Marc Gasol for the Grizzlies, and he’s developing into a pretty good player.
by KMils on Jan 17, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Philly doesn't get nothing
They get a hell of a lot of cap relief for next year, and considering that Philly was one of the teams considered to be in the worst financial position league, that’s definitely something they would consider.
by McCleak on Jan 17, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I was philly I'd demand cap relief and cheap talent. We have lots of cheap talent who they could demand. [Our lotterty pick or Rubio are most likely]
by the way going from 6’10" Jefferson to 6’9" Brand doesn’t add length or defense to our front court. [Keep in mind Brand is down to 1.3 blks per game this season.]
Brand is also 3o years old, with declining athleticism and we will owe him $17 million average per year over next 3 seasons after this one.
We go from being a 24 win team to 38 wins and our financial flexibility is gone.
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 17, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you think a trade this is plus 14 games for us and minus 29 wins for the 3 other teams will be a go?
Minus 12 games 76ers
Minus 7 games Pacers
Minus 2 games Nuggets
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 17, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Won't happen, simple reason
Wolves couldn’t even get Iguodola and Brand for Jefferson (or if they could, just barely), and yet you also have them getting Granger. Too much coming back for too little leaving. Might get closer if Pekovic and the extra 1st rounders are included.
by Rumblebee on Jan 17, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Philly is close
to dumping Iguodala if Dalembert is involved. I’d think that would be similar with Brand. They aren’t starting over yet by any means, especially after signing A.I., but it’s not out of the realm of realism if they get at least something in return. But yeah, it’s probably the most far-fetched, meant to be realistic trade scenario I have seen in quite a while.
by Mplax on Jan 17, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
Right now Brand is regarded as the worst contract in the league. How things change. Philly is basically willing to consider almost anything to get him off their cap.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Jan 18, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else watch that Rubio "documentary"?
I think all it’s going to take to get Rubio in a Wolves uniform is putting Rudy Fernandez in one. Rubio’s mom had a scrapbook of pictures of the two of them together. It’s obviously been said before that the two enjoy playing together but the way their relationship is portrayed in that video, it seems like it would be a deal clincher for Rubio if his buddy was on the same team.
Anything to get combat the influence of anti-NBA’ers Navarro and Vazquez.
by callmeishmael on Jan 17, 2010 4:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
let's go all spanish.
If we can lure Rubio with Rudy what is to stop us from then luring Navarro and Vazquez with Rubio and Rudy. Next thing you know Marc and Pau will be making a fuss trying to get traded to Minnesota. We can sell paella at the Target Center concessions and everything.
In all seriousness though, Rudy makes sense for other reasons too. He is exactly the player that this team needs on the wing. I just don’t think he can be had from Portland for a reasonable price.
by vjl110 on Jan 17, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about a simple Hollins for Fernandez base trade?
Port. has all injured centers other than Juwan and we need a good SG. This seems like it could work. We could add a second rounder if needed.
by KGMN on Jan 17, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wincing at what might happen to this comment.
by TheH on Jan 17, 2010 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't let Portland fans
get a wiff of this.
by Mplax on Jan 17, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We can't trade Lebron
he isn’t on our team
by Mplax on Jan 17, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s a joke about how absurdly overvalued Fernandez is by Blazers fans.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
by Xand1 on Jan 18, 2010 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, that was what I was thinking, but I wasn't really sure.
And it doesn’t matter if Blazers fans overvalue him, it matters if the Blazers organization overvalues him.
by KGMN on Jan 18, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Pritchard believes in holding onto 'his' talent
He’s got some reasons to feel that way, too. It’ll be hard to pry loose a Martell Webster, you know?
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
by feral on Jan 18, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't surprise me if Kevin Pritchard
had a BEdge account…
He is notorious around the league for asking far too much for his pieces.
by Mplax on Jan 18, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if
the NBA2K10 version of the Blazers would go for this…
by Mplax on Jan 17, 2010 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love trading in NBA video games
You basically can “red paperclip” trade according to positions and needs the other teams want until the point where the Cavs think your offer for LeBron makes sense because the game thinks they need a good PF.
by nja700 on Jan 17, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudio and Fernandez are best friends
For those who don’t follow Rubio on Twitter or Facebook, he frequently refers to Rudy as “mejor amigo”….best friend.
They came up the ACB league together, playing in the juniors and developmental teams and going pro more or less at the same time, even though Rubio is 6 years younger than Fernandez.
by Oceanary on Jan 17, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure ricky’s best friend is some guy i keep seeing at some of his games/interviews, though rudy has out-grown him, ricky stays good friends with him and on the court they understand each other well.
oh and fyi i don’t think that’s RR’s facebook its not connected to his offical website/twitter
by anen87 on Jan 19, 2010 2:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone did open a fake account, but it's been shut down now...
http://twitter.com/rickyrubio9
That one’s verified and connected to his website.
by Oceanary on Jan 19, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"See my thing is
I don’t want them to use this as a way to save money cuz they suck."
Charles Barkley, always good for a one-liner. Wonder what he has against Washington? They back out of a contract on him or something? He said a couple things in there about how he didn’t like them as an organization.
I’d love to take a waiver on Thomas. I wonder what they would want for him. I doubt some deal of Hollins and Oily would get it done. I’d pass on Cook. They use him as a shooter because he really is nothing more than a shooter.
McCleak threw out an interesting 4 team deal for us… no chance it happens for multiple reasons, but it’s still interesting to think about. I love Balkman and Afflalo. Brand still has about an 8% chance to return to “Almost worth his contract” level. Iguodala could probably recover from this year’s numbers and Granger would be a nice compliment to these guys. Brand could be a decent post-presence (still have to pay attention to him), Granger could be a good shooter, Balkman and Afflalo are tremendous defenders, and Iguodala would be a great all-around player. Defense would even be a strength after this. Plus we still have Sessions, Flynn, Love, Brewer, and Ellington. Sad to see Blount go though.
by Mplax on Jan 17, 2010 6:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On Trading For RUDY FERNANDEZ
i know it wont be easy to acquire Rudy from the Blaze.. But i think we can..
here’s my scenario:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykmr79o
i believe a 3rd team would be the answer.. we all know that the Jazz wants to dump salary.. So let them join the trade party and solve their salary problems.. they ca dump kirilenko’s $16.4M / 2yrs… let’s give them expiring contracts, (Blount $7.9, Cardinal $6.7, Pavlovic, $1.5).. and they can still utilize pavlovics’ production if they wanted to. plus they dont have a reliable back-up PG for Deron.. So grab Blake from Blazers (also an expiring $4M contract)… We could add an early 2nd rounder too or a late 1st round..
For portland, they need a big man right now.. so they get Koufus, he’s a decent player when given the minutes. Ellington who’s a SG prospect.. (if they dont want ellington, we could send them another big in Hollins or Stewey Pecherov).. and an upgrade at PG in Sessions.. i think Sessions will fit them more because they have a young core. and Blake is knocking in the 30yrs old door. and we could still also send them 2nd rounders if needed.
and who do we get?? RUDY FERNANDEZ plus Kirilenko… Then sign Rudy for a long term contract.. and Reap the rewards in Kirilenko’s production + great defense.. it’s all worthed.. and a great core + Rudy to lure Rubio to play for us..
so we get a lineup of:
PG – Flynn
SG – Fernandez
SF – Kirilenko
PF – Love
C – Jefferson
G – Brewer, Wilkins, Tucker
F – Gomez, Jawai
C – Pecherov ,Hollins
by tukmolcicity on Jan 18, 2010 4:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
back-up PG
for a back-up PG, we could sign a FA in a minimum contract.. or call-up someone from D-league..
Curtis Stinson, JamesOn Curry, Cedric Jackson, Mustafa Shakur, Keith McLeod, David Bailey, Will Solomon, Dee Brown, Tyronn Lue, Brevin Knight,
there’s a long list here… but wouldn’t that be great..
PLUS, Ricky is coming after 2 years.. Pecovic, next year.. and we still have a high pick on next year’s draft.. Future could be bright for the wolves…
by tukmolcicity on Jan 18, 2010 5:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like this trade
if Rubio wouldn’t come over here otherwise. If (obviously we have no idea so it’s tough to say) Rubio is planning on playing for us eventually, then I wouldn’t go for this trade. It would be nice to see Fernandez play with Rubio, and I would think they would both up each others’ value, but I believe Ellington could be one of the best 10 players from the draft in a few years… and that’s saying something for this draft (not that it’s extremely strong, but that it was deep). Hard to give up on Ellington, but Fernandez is a good shooter and a good cutter for Rubio to pass to. Ultimately, I think I would go for this trade and wouldn’t even mind getting Kirilenko. We’re giving up a decent amount, but you have to give to get. If Fernandez is healthy, I would say this trade helps both teams.
For Portland, I assume they would whine about it because they aren’t getting Lebron for Rudy AND they are giving up Blake, but I would much rather have Sessions than Blake (and he would probably work quite well with McMillan) and Ellington and Kuofos for Fernandez would be pretty fair (with the extra value of Sessions over Blake making up for the difference).
by Mplax on Jan 18, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think about it the other way.... Rubio is the distributor Fernandez wants to play with. In a few years when we are completing our championship team.... maybe we pick up
Fernandez when he is a free agent
Gasol when he is on his last contract and wants one more championship
We might have the franchise on the best Spanish players….lol…
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 18, 2010 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A Wolves basketball note
it was right after Christmas when Rambis said the team was going to work harder on defense. The Wolves have given up 115 plus since Jan 1st. Reminds me of the business world when the boss comes in and says" we’re focussing on sales this qtr" and at the end of the qtr sales are down. It takes awhile but the boss finally will listens when salesmen tell him that it’s not the effort or time spent it’s the approach to sales that has to change. Kurt needs to change his approach to teaching/demanding defense because his current style is not working. I understand part of it is personnel but Wolves can at least be an average defensive team.
by Conned on Jan 18, 2010 7:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Average might be a little overselling it...
….just because of our sheer inexperience factor. But certainly we could be better than we are.
by Oceanary on Jan 18, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by A.K. Agikamik on Jan 18, 2010 9:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

























