One Month to the Trade Deadline
The February 19th NBA Trade Deadline has the potential to be one of the biggest in recent memory. A sluggish economy has hurt the value of many franchises, their earnings, and the overall wealth of many owners. Fourteen teams still remain over the luxury threshold. The looming threat of work stoppage grows as a new Collective Bargaining Agreement must be reached in 2011. There are several teams that are geared to win-now, and many others that need to regroup. We may see major changes over the next month.
However, Timberwolves fans may wonder whether their team should get involved in a deal right now, or wait until this summer, when they carry a very valuable trade commodity with their raw cap space. Let's take a look at the two major options
1. Trading Production to increase our 2010 Cap Space: While fans of rebuilding point to our accumulation of young talent and picks, one of the most important jobs has been to rid the Wolves of bad contracts. Right now, our team has no truly bad contracts. It is filled with either expiring deals, or players that are producing at market level or higher. A player like Ryan Gomes is valuable here at his current salary, but he would also be a solid addition to the depth of a championship team. Obviously, he has more trade value now than at the deadline, simply because he could help a team in the 2010 Play-offs. Gomes has the additional benefit of a partially guaranteed deal which gives teams options. Players like Sessions, Gomes, or our young multi-year contracts could bring back expirings plus future assets, which would help not just our 2010 cap space, but provide other assets to use in the future. This might be an area to explore by the deadline, because while I believe Gomes is well-worth his $3.87 mil contract, he may not be worth $4.235 mil to Minnesota in additional cap space this summer.
The advantages to increasing our 2010 cap space, which I currently estimate to be about $9.5 mil, have been discussed many times. More cap space under the estimated $53 mil salary cap allows the team to offer a larger salary in free agency, or have more space they can use as a trade commodity. At a minimum, its less dollars for our owner to spend. Reducing our talent for the rest of the season may alienate some fans, but it may improve our lottery pick and our future.
2. Trading Expirings and more to add production, but decrease 2010 Cap Space: The Timberwolves flexibility allows them to go in a different direction as well -- to make a play for talent before the summer. I'd like to spend more time on the less-discussed option of a deadline deal.
Let me give an example first. Suppose the Wolves made a trade of expirings + CHA pick for Caron Butler, and his $10.8 mil contract next season. If we made no further moves, with Butler's 2010-11 salary, our current salaries, the cap holds for Rubio and the pick(s), and cap holds to reach roster minimums, the Wolves could be sitting just above the estimated $53 mil salary cap.
Pro
a. If you're over the salary cap, the next limitation on total payroll is the luxury threshold, at an estimated $63 mil next year. If Glen Taylor is willing to pay, the Wolves may field a more competitive team at a payroll near $63, than one near $53. The team would be better for the rest of this season as well, which would help ticket sales.
b. If a team wants to use its cap space, it must renounce its exceptions (to the salary cap). Next year's Mid-level Exception (MLE) is projected to come in at around $5 mil, and would provide suitable funds to sign Pekovic. We would also be able to keep our Traded Player Exceptions $796,088 on Etan Thomas, and $732,625 on Quentin Richardson. These are nice trade commodities for early summer (they only last one year), for the many teams that may want to reduce salary under a luxury threshold that may decline as much as $6 mil. Finally, we could still retain the free agent rights to players like Latrell Sprewell ($19 mil), Kirk Snyder ($7 mil) and Michael Doleac ($6 mil). With these rights, we could sign these players for any amount up to that value. Teams have used this in the past to sign-and-trade a player as an expiring (3 year deal, last 2 team option) to complete a trade that needs salary. David Stern has said he'll look closely at deals like this, but I can't imagine he'd block a deal where an owner wants to pay a player if he had to face the Player's Association -- especially before negotiations for the new CBA.
c. Much larger deals are possible if we do them now. After the trade deadline, expiring players like Mark Blount cannot be traded. We have over $24 mil in expirings, and with a 125% + $100,000 matching restriction, MIN could take in $30 mil in salary in expirings alone. If we allow the expirings to disappear, this summer we may have only $9.5 mil in cap space.
d. The Timberwolves are $8 mil under the 2009-10 luxury threshold, and that space could be very valuable to one of the 14 teams that are over the lux right now, as I've demonstrated in previous articles. Expirings would be an attractive way for cost-conscious teams to remove salary, even if we simply swap expirings-for-expirings. In any event, Mr. Taylor could get great value for a little additional spending now.
Cons
a. While adding a talented player now may help our attendance and revenues, it may improve our record enough to hurt our 2010 pick. With our current record, we are not competing for the play-offs this season.
b. For smaller deals, raw cap space is certainly more valuable than some of our expirings. If another team wants to shed $8 mil from their 2010-11 payroll, they would rather trade for our raw cap space this summer, than trade for Mark Blount now and let him expire. The simple reason -- the Wolves have to write the checks to Blount for the rest of the season.
c. If we traded for a player now at the expense of our raw cap space, we would preemptively remove ourselves from 2010 free agency. Its possible that deals may be found this summer, as Mr. Kahn did with Ramon Sessions last year. Jumping ahead of other teams by doing a deal this summer may have tactical advantages, but we lose opportunity costs this summer by sacrificing flexibility.
I think its quite possible that we will see several large trades in the NBA as we lead up to the trade deadline. With expirings, young assets and picks, the Timberwolves have positioned themselves nicely, either as a major participant or by getting well-compensated for using their flexibility to broker a deal between other teams. Its gratifying to see Wolves finally in a strong position, and I look forward to the next month. We may see something profound.
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First time
I’m pretty sure that this is the first time a statement like this has ever been made by anyone about our front office:
We may see something profound.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Does SacTown blow up Evans/Martin this early?
Especially when they’re playing well?
Don't take this the wrong way...
but if you knew anything about the NBA, you’d know that the Kings suck balls with Evans and Martin. Check out splits when Martin was playing at the beginning of the year, and after he returned from injury.
A small sample size one might say? True. But again, a fan of the NBA would know their styles just aren’t suited for each other.
With that said, I’ve love Martin on the Wolves. We need a player like him.
by College Wolf on Jan 19, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
How does someone not take that the wrong way? Very classy
They could end up working well together if Evans can truly take over the PG role. Unlikely, but Martin’s shooting stroke with Evan’s ability to slash (and Martin is obviously no slouch either) could make a very nice combo if they learn to work together.
Classy
I guess it’s too bad I don’t know “anything about the NBA”, because knowing “anything about the NBA” give you the ability to judge a 2 man combination dead after six games.
Next time you want to be an asshole? Don’t bother posting.
David Thorpe thinks
that Martin and Evans could be really good together. Thorpe writes for ESPN and trains Martin in the offseason, so he has a pretty good handle on things.
That doesn’t mean the Kings agree, but I expect Martin to at least try to make it work.
FWIW … In his chat today, Steve Kyler from Hoopsworld said he was told quite directly that the Kings are not looking to move Martin until at least the offseason.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 20, 2010 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
What about
Trading some of our expirings while also taking on bad contracts for young talent?
ie. We could send Cardinal/Blount to NYK for Gallinari. It gives the Knicks more room to sign LBJ and gives us the shooter we will need in the future so desperately. We won’t be competitive until those bad Knick contracts come off our books anyway.
For Gallinari and...
Jerome James? Curry? Jeffries? Who?
by College Wolf on Jan 19, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Don't take this the wrong way...
but if you knew anything about the NBA, you’d know that Jerome James plays for the Chicago Bulls.
by TimAllen on Jan 20, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I second the motion
though prefer “wall” of shame given the nature of postings here.
We all know that art is not the truth, art is a lie that makes us realize the truth.--Picasso
While it would be funny
and probably pretty effective in patrolling the comments of those still left posting, it would drastically reduce the number of posters.
Question for ya Shrink
Awhile back I posted a thread where we could wind up trading our cap space to the Knicks. Would this work?
3 separate deals with the Knicks this summer?
1 – A 2nd rounder for Eddy Curry and $3 million
2 – A 2nd rounder for Jared Jefferies,a 2012 first and $3 million
3 – A 2nd rounder (or rights to Mavrokefalidis -you get the point) for Galinari and $ 3 million?
We get a total of $ 9 million to completely pay for Jefferies and some of Curry’s contracts via 3 separate trades? Or is the cash limited to $3 million since these are essentially one trade?
This deal would only be after the Knicks already got the o.k. from both LeBron and either Wade or Bosh (or all 3 at a slightly reduced rate individually) that they’d come as a package. It would essentially be the Knicks trading Gallo and a future first (along with the cash) for LeBron, a 2nd superstar, and enough room to resign David Lee. I don’t think LeBron is going to NY without a wingman FA so maybe the Knicks would be willing to part with Gallo to get that trio.
The Wolves netting Gallo and a future first to pay Curry the remaining portion of his deal would be well worth it to me. The Curry/Jefferies expirings could have value next year as well.
If Shrink is correct with his cap projections and we have roughly $10 mil in raw cap space then how would we take on all of these contracts without giving anything else up?
I laid it out in a previous thread, but the short is that I was counting on a deal where we send Gomes and Hollins to Boston for Scalarine, Bill Walker and JR Gidden’s expirings.
Nice trade
I agree that Ryan Gomes would be a great fit for Boston. They know him, they like him, and he’s a local kid who the fans like too. I like your trade:
Gomes + Hollins for Scalarine + Bill Walker + JR Gidden’s expirings.
or
Gomes for Scalabrine + late 1st
or
Gomes for Tony Allen + Walker/Giddens + late 1st
The late 1st could be sold, or hopefully, packaged to move up in the draft. It’d be one more asset for Kahn’s arsenal, and could help us outbid other teams in a trade or sign-and-trade.
Rumor: Celtics have made an Offer for Nate Robinson
I hope this wouldn’t cost them assets that would complicate a Gomes deal
I think Gomes + Cardinal...
…gets offered up here soon.
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Knicks Trade
I’ve spent a great deal of time looking into the Knicks scenario, and its a tough one for them.
But first, from our side, jballer is correct that we don’t have enough cap space to make the deals in the summer, unless we make additional deals to free up more room. However, your deal is one that would work well at the trade deadline. MIN has enough expirings to do the job, and we could even add incentive by taking back more salary than we send out, and saving the Knicks double since they are over the luxury threshold.
The Knicks side is more problematic. I’m willing to buy into the idea that the bright lights of New York City may be attractive to an elite free agent. However, its a double-edged sword. New York has very little talent on the team, so if one free agent, even LeBron, comes to NYK, its doubtful he alone can save the team from more losses. Would a star free agent want to be savaged daily by the New York media? I personally believe that their chances are much greater of getting two free agents instead of one. LeBron may be more willing to come, if NYK can say, “If you sign with us, we have the money to bring in another elite player to help you, like Wade or Bosh!”
Unfortunately for the Knicks, moving Eddie Curry would be difficult — both the salary and the man. They’ve already traded their pick, unprotected, to the Jazz, and are loathe to give up another 1st two years down the road with so much uncertainty. Much of their team is over-priced veterans, and the Knicks don’t want to use their expirings. Mobely has some value with his 80% insured expiring, but not enough to move Curry, and neither do players like Chandler or Hill. Really the only piece they have with enough trade value is Gallinari, as you’ve identified. However, he’s also the player that fans love the most, and who they’d hate to see traded.
If the Knicks have a chance at two elite free agents, it would rewrite their history. Unfortunately, losing Gallinari to create the cap space only increases the probability of getting the free agents. If the lights aren’t bright enough, they could end up getting no free agents, and face angry fans after trading away Gallinari and having no pick in the 2010 draft. The risk is huge, but so are the potential rewards. It’d be a very tough call for them, and they may be better off holding onto Gallinari, and simply waiting for 2011 themselves.
by shrink on Jan 19, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There’s no chance that NY will deal Gallo until it’s locked in that they’d be getting LeBron and Wade/Bosh. So…this summer only.
If we jettison Gomes and Hollins, we’d be pretty close to fitting both Jefferies and Curry under our cap. If we were getting Gallo and a future first, I’d add Ellington to make the deal work (I like Ellington, but Gallo is looking very good).
Gallo is a lot to give up, but don’t you do it if you’re getting LeBron and Wade with enough cap space to resign Lee?
Also, could we do the 3 separate trades to net $9 million?
by Blond Ricky on Jan 19, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
"Both the salary and the man"
Priceless. You have been recommended!
by I.M. Fletcher on Jan 19, 2010 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
As I was reading your post
and thinking about the Knicks, I was all set to make a bold prediction, but you threw out the idea first. I will be more assertive in my belief…In the free agency summer of 2010, the Knicks will do:
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
They let the LeBron rumors build because they don’t want to lose season ticket holders. I would even bet they try to get renewals completed before free agency. The lower cap messed up their 2010 scenario, so now they sign Lee and shoot for 2011. It appears by waiting one more year they can keep Lee and Gallinari, then go for two big names in 2011 (Durant perhaps). They will also likely get a top 5 pick in 2011. Not that money is a primary concern for them, but having a $40 mil payroll next season allows them to recoup a significant amount of the money they have lost the last few years. The may even decide to be a Memphis type team where they use their cap space this summer to allow other teams to make trades or sign free agents, while the Knicks accumulate extra picks and get some cash.
Agreed...
….btw: great post.
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Oh...
Trading before the deadline would require a special kind of deal where we were really raking it in talent wise for our expirings and therefore our cap space. Something like Iguodala and Dalembert or Kevin Martin in salary dumps would be worth considering, but less than that, I think the flexability is more important this summer.
As far as our cap space this summer. I think it’s imperative that Gomes is moved and if we could send Hollins along with him I’d be fine with that.
I know Boston has been thrown out as a Gomes destination and that location makes a lot of sense. I hope Kahn/Rambis aren’t going to swayed by loyalty on a guy like Gomes. Ryan is obviously worth his contract, but he’s the wrong fit for us presently. We’d be better served taking our $9.5 million to near $14 million (or more if we could shed Hollins) and consolidating talent with a FA or big ticket trade (via the cap space). I don’t know how much Gomes for 3 more years helps us get to where we want to go when it limits our ability for higher end talent.
Will this really be an active trade deadline??
It seems every year we hear there will be a dozen big deals in January and February, but there usually ends up being one or two big deals and a few minor trades.
I wonder if teams are going to slow down and play more for this summer. With all the free agents out there, and teams trying to save money, next summer could be lucrative for teams willing to wait and play hard ball.
A team like the Knicks could save New Orleans a ton of money next season. As an example, they could trade Curry for Peja and a few millions dollars from New Orleans. This gets the Hornets under the luxury tax, New Orleans might give up a 1st rounder to save this kind of dough and be able to hold onto Paul and West. The Knicks gain a 1st rounder, then buy out Peja and actually come out millions ahead.
And of course a team like the Wolves could absorb three different $3mil players from teams trying to either get cap space or get under the tax threshold. By getting the other team to kick in the money to pay the player and 2nd round picks, they get free players and extra assets.
Active yes, blockbuster...hmmm
I think because so many teams are over the lux tax, there will be lots of deals. However, many of them will be salary dumps. Bosh & Stoudamire are the real potential blockbuster guys that could be traded…
Wolves could accumulate assets by taking on salary (1st round picks/young talent) at the trade deadline. To me this could be preferable to using the cap space to overpay some free agent to come to Minnesota….
Also
not a huge difference, but every single team that gets under the lux tax is that much less cash for us (less contribution and split among one more team). So it makes sense for us to be the one that is getting the payoff for losing out on that cash. Either way, they will find a deal with someone, hopefully we can be that someone for quite a few teams.
This option
Finally, we could still retain the free agent rights to players like Latrell Sprewell ($19 mil), Kirk Snyder ($7 mil) and Michael Doleac ($6 mil).
I recall being most recently used with Aaron McKie (and Keith van Horn also?).
Doleac is the only guy we could legitimately use with Snyder incarcerated and Sprewell turning 40 in September
Free Alando!
For those interested in free agent rights
Here’s a good summary:
Wyn has done a great job keeping track of our free agent rights in the NBA salary spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=r0EIACYJtq4Wgjl-ZmYzRug&gid=19
Latrell Sprewell $18,928,700
Kirk Snyder $7,075,299
Michael Doleac $6,240,000
Andrae Patterson $825,497
Bracey Wright $825,497
Oliver Miller $825,497
Sam Jacobson $825,497
Sam Mitchell $825,497
Not that I am counting on it
but if the Wolves use the cap space to sign a player, don’t they have to renounce the rights to all of these players?
If we do use a retired player as a signed trade filler
I hope it’s Sam Mitchell. Not only has he done the most for the franchise, but it’d be hilarious to see a guy retire, coach long enough to win Coach of the year and get fired, then get another NBA contract.
Unfortunately, the odds that $800k would be the difference between salaries matching or not are pretty slim.
And for what it's worth.....
I think we’ll sit pat over the trade period and let our expirings run their course. While there are 14 teams over the lux tax line, only 4 or 5 have any real shot at getting under the line. And a few more probably aren’t worried in any event.
Gomes is a tough one. While I appreciate the cap implications of picking up his option, he is just the sort of guy a developing team needs on the roster both in regards to character and skillset. His salary as value for money is a point of conjecture, but I’d like to see us keep him.
Free Alando!
Gomes is a tough one. While I appreciate the cap implications of picking up his option, he is just the sort of guy a developing team needs on the roster both in regards to character and skillset.
I get the character, but skillset? What exactly does he provide to a rebuilding team? We have so many specific needs. He’s not a great defender or shooter. He’s not a creator. Seems like his all around average game would fit much better on a contending team as a strong bench player with some versatilty.
I like his character and his contract isn’t bad in the right situation. It’s just that he’s a complementary guy whose contract limits acquiring the guys he’s supposed to complement. I wish we had a player like him 2 years from now.
by Blond Ricky on Jan 20, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
To take it further...
Even if we didn’t land a bigger name guy in FA, I would much rather pay a guy like Azuibuike or Outlaw a Gomes type salary (or a little more) given that they can provide more specific skills to the team offensively. Or, defensively a guy like Josh Childress could maybe had for a little more paying Gomes and he provides very good wing defense to fill a need. Maybe the money could be put towards a big like Haywood . You get my point.
by Blond Ricky on Jan 20, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
A summer of Childress, Haywood, and R.Brewer
and a happy Timberwolves fan I would make.
not sure i understand
Gomes is a tough one. While I appreciate the cap implications of picking up his option, he is just the sort of guy a developing team needs on the roster both in regards to character and skillset.
Look – if you knew anything about small forwards with good character you’d see that (kidding, kidding)
I just don’t know if you can talk that highly about a guy when your team is 9-33. Skillset? Ryan Gomes? Obviously he’s not the worst player we have, but when our record is this poor (sorry, when we’re in the early stages of being a “developing” team) I would really be against overvaluing anybody except Jefferson and Love
by Son of Gerald Green on Jan 20, 2010 6:16 PM CST reply actions

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