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I don't think there are two more polar opposite teams in the NBA than the Magic and the Wolves.  The Magic win their games with an average point differential of +6.6.  The Wolves lose by nearly 10/game.  The Magic are #1 in the league in 3PA and 3PM while the Wolves are 27th and 28th in the league in both categories.  The Magic rank in the league's top 10 in both OE and DE while the Wolves rank in the bottom 10 in both categories.  The Magic are long and athletic; the Wolves are short and athletically average. 

It took the Orlando Magic announcing team all of 4 minutes to fully understand the large gaps between the guys in blue and the guys in white.  They let out a chuckle about the Wolves' defense a whole 1:40 into the contest.  They had gone through a list of the Wolves' league worst categories a few minutes later.  Unfortunately for them, they had to sweat out 3 1/2 quarters of close ball before all their hopes and wishes about the Wolves' awfulness came to fruition. 

Star-divide

It was mentioned in the comments that we need to come up with a new addition to the Official Hoopus Wolves Dictionary that accurately describes a ball that Kevin Love somehow manages to tap out of traffic to a teammate.  "Love Tap" sounds good but should it encompass offensive rebounds that lead to scores, or simply impossible taps to teammates on balls that he has no business getting his mitts on? 

However we want to definte it, here is the first half Love possession keeper tracker:

1st

6:11- Offensive rebound leads to layup and foul on Rashard Lewis
5:16- Kevin Love tap out against 3 Magic defenders leads to Al Jefferson and1 with a shooting foul on Dwight Howard

2nd

10:02- Following the most egregious 3 second non call in league history, Love fights off Lewis for a put back plus a foul. 
1:20- A pair of offensive rebounds leading to a Wiklins dunk.

The Big Piranha had 8 offensive rebounds at the half.  He single handedly kept the Wolves in the game and was singled out in the Magic halftime show as being the one player that Orlando needed to stop if they wanted to win the game. 

All of that being written, this game also highlighted the limitations of Love's game; namely, that he will always have trouble guarding long and athletic power forwards that can operate out near the three point line.  Not only does Love not have the foot speed to keep up with guys like Rashard Lewis (no matter how much small area quickness he may have) but guys like Lewis and Ryan Anderson drag him away from the basket which diminishes the impact of his greatest ability: rebounding.  The first play of the game was a Lewis three made against a sagging Love.  Throughout the game Love constantly had to weigh his options: Does he fully commit to the outside and get burned/take himself out of rebounding position or does he sag and hope that his mark misses the long shot while maintaining a slightly better rebounding position?  Love is a decent team defender (i.e. he's good in relation to the rest of the roster) but he is limited in certain man-to-man situations.  This is probably the reason he got yanked down the stretch in the 4th when Ryan Anderson caught fire. When he came back in he was on the wrong end of a Lewis ally-oop.  It was an all-around bad defensive night for Love.  That being said, it's hard to get upset with the guy after his first half kept the Wolves in the game....even though the Magic power forwards went nuts from beyond the arc in the 2nd half. 

Another issue is that Love seems to have trouble passing out of back-to-the basket situations where he is double teamed.  I think I counted 3 tipped passes in the first half (at least two of them by Ryan Anderson) where he was unable to pass the ball in a close-quartered situation.  This is somewhat problematic in the pinch post and it is something that we need to keep an eye on. 

This was one of those games where you really could think about little else than what would this squad be like with competent wing play?  What would this game look like with a 2 that could shoot and get to the line?  What would this game look like with someone like Rudy Gay taking up Wiklins' minutes?  There was a spot in the 3rd quarter where Brewer took 3-4 shots in a row and it was hard to ignore the idea that this is where the Wolves lost the game.  There is no reason why a shooter like Brewer should be taking that many shots in a row.  Those are wasted possessions. 

Misc Game Notes:

  • The Magic announcing team ran a poll asking its viewers what they thought was the most essential winter item: gloves, scarf, hat, or ear muffs? Correct answer: a working furnace.
  • Al Jefferson may be improving his overall game but he is still capable of some mind-numbingly awful help defense moments.  Last night's best example came when Brewer gambled on Jameer Nelson and Jefferson didn't make an attempt to make up for Brewer's high risk play.  This was in stark contrast to the wing players of Orlando, who could take all sorts of risks with Dwight Howard patrolling the paint.
  • Best Orlando Magic announcer line of the night: "That's not how the Triangle is supposed to be run.  The ball just stopped." 
  • The Magic attempted 37 three poniters.  They attempted only 3 shots between 10-15 feet and 12 shots between 16-23 feet.  Everything else was close to the rim or beyond the arc.  Out of their 80 shots, only 15 were from no man's land in mid-range; 65 were from inside 10 feet or beyond the arc.  While they were a bit heavy on the three ball, that's the sort of shooting that makes me smile, as the mid-range shot is the worst shot in all of basketball.  BTW: Hat's off to the Magic announcing crew for making this simple point during last night's game.  Threes, layups, and free throws.  They are your friends. 
  • The Magic had no FTAs in the first quarter and only 6 at the half.  For a team that averages in the mid 20s, this was a big deal. 

Well that about does it for this wrap up.  We'll see you tonight in the Indiana game thread.  


 

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Live by the Three ....

and supposedly die by the three, but Orlando’s philosophy is to just keep shooting them until someone gets hot enough to make a difference. As the Wolves announcing crew pointed out, much of the time the Magic have 4 shooters on the floor. The only non-shooter is Howard. Ryan Anderson is a great fit for this team, sort of a less athletic Rashard Lewis. The Wolves were hanging in until the Magic finally started hitting outside and Howard leveled the rebounding aspect somewhat. And as to Love passing out from his position, there were numerous times that someone passing in to him made too soft of a pass and they were either deflected or picked off. I am not a Vince Carter fan, but he was one of the differences down the stretch.

by ogishkemuncie on Jan 2, 2010 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

How often until we see

Our opponents kook for specific matchup to drag Live from the boards.

Perhaps not so neccesary given our other structural deficits, but some of our fellow stragglers, like the Pacers, may give it a crack. Troy Murphy may be the guy to try it out tonight.

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by Auswolf on Jan 2, 2010 2:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

That's Love from the boards

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by Auswolf on Jan 2, 2010 2:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd be surprised if more and more people don't do that

That’s one of our glaring needs right now is a guy who can defend the quicker 4s. It’s been said over and over again and I’m sure it’ll come up again. But Love and Jefferson are just not a good defensive combo, even if they were adequate defensive players, they just don’t mesh well… Maybe Love will turn some of his baby fat into muscle and get a little quicker while keeping his ability to rebound. That’d be amazing. He’d probably even be able to jump a little higher.

by Mplax on Jan 2, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Dwight Howard's defensive impact is ridiculous

He almost singlehandedly turns Orlando into a great defensive team with his ability to rebound and protect the paint.

Anyway, the Magic got wise to us in the second half. Love was keeping us alive in the first with his constant offensive rebounds, but D12 shut that down in the third quarter, then Lewis and Anderson caught fire in the fourth and Love had to sit out a while.

Doesn’t help either that Brewer and Wilkins went a combined 6-23. Corey at least jammed up Vince Carter though.

It’d be nice to see Gomes get some more minutes, especially in a game like this were the other team is playing with small forwards at the power forward spot. Gomes was our only player with a positive +/- rating last night.

The Magic though are in really good shape. They have an athletic and well balance roster, a fantastic defensive anchor, and a pile of assets like Gortat and Brandon Bass they can move if they decide they need to shore up a particular spot.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 3:55 PM CST reply actions  

Also, it'd be a lot easier for Love to commit his defense all the way out to the arc...

….if we had a reliable “goalie” behind him to protect the paint. Jefferson’s never going to be that kind of player….no one’s intimidated by him going to the hoop.

Also, on that note, Jonny Flynn is fearless, to the point he’s probably going to end up like Adrien Peterson…hurting himself on a violent basket cut or something. He had a drive last night where he went straight into Dwight and man….he hit the floor so hard I thought he had died.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

The Magic are an unusual team that create huge problems for Love — that was pretty obvious, last night. The same reason they killed Love with threes is the reason they ousted Cleveland — no matchup for power forwards that are marksmen from downtown.

Jefferson is passing the ball a lot better, this season. The announcers seemed to take notice, last night. That’s good to see. Now he needs to toughen up the D and regain his full repertoie of post moves and we’ve got a bona fide star.

Flynn made a couple nice passes to open players — I say players because Wilkins and Brewer cannot be described as shooters. They don’t shoot (especially Wilkins) unless they have 15 feet of open space in front of them and enough time to think about it and probably dribble in a few steps. Flynn is not surrounded by players that can be assisted very easily. Ellington is the one who shows hope in that regard. He should definitely be getting more minutes. I’d give him 20-30 per night depending on how his shot is going.

After watching Orlando on Christmas and again last night, I no longer think they are the favorite in the East. You can’t chuck from downtown like that and expect to beat a great team like Boston. Hell, they beat Cleveland last year behind some unusually hot shooting from Turkuglo. I rank the East 1) Boston; 2) Orlando; 3) Cleveland. Cleveland and Orlando are close, and a potential 2nd Round Series will probably come down to the 3-shooting battle between Mo Williams/Delonte West and Rashard Lewis/Ryan Anderson. I (barely) give the edge to Orlando there, and think they’d be a slight favorite. Neither team should beat Boston if the Big 4 are healthy.

by Andy G on Jan 2, 2010 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

Don't forget about the Hawks.

I would rank them right behind the Magic. Cleveland is a one man show.

by Bad News Wolves on Jan 2, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Love actually won the mismatch battle in the first half

While it’s true that Love is a mismatch for Lewis, it works the other way around too. And in the first half, Love absolutely abused Lewis on the boards, to the point where they brought Gortat in for a twin tower combo with Howard. I also noticed that Love did a decent job closing out on Anderson in the first half. In the second half, things went the other way, but I just think it’s noteworthy that we had them on their heels a bit in the first half and into the 3rd quarter thanks to solid boardwork and defense from Love, Jefferson, and Jawai. It all fell apart in the 4th quarter unfortunately.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 2, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Most of his offensive rebounds in the first half...

…were because Dwight Howard had to sit out with foul trouble.

It’s ironic that the Magic announcers singled out Love as the guy to stop, because they were absolutely right. Once Orlando took away the offensive glass, we couldn’t generate any real offense.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

yea..

I didn’t mean Love got killed in all aspects of the game or anything — but down the stretch, Anderson hit some dagger treys where Love didn’t get out to contest the shot. It’s not a problem unique to him — those perimeter bigs are Orlando’s MO. Love has been playing very good ball lately and did a lot of good things in last nights game.

It’s good that we didn’t blown out, but watching the Knicks beat the Hawks and the Kings come within a Kobe buzzer-beater of beating LA, I’m not overly impressed by a 12-point home loss to Orlando. Some of the lottery teams are playing decent ball every night. I think PoorDick and I agreed on this the other day — the Wolves are going to be at the very bottom at year’s end, even if they look decent some nights. We need a ton of help on the perimeter.

by Andy G on Jan 2, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Kings actually nearly beat the Lakers twice

They lost in overtime a week ago as well. Plus they played last night without Tyreke Evans.

We have a glaring lack of everything right now. Like S-n-P said, we’re bottom ten in both offense and defense. Not good.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

There is more parity, this year...

in recent year’s past, there have been two big races coming out of the gates: the top teams fighting for 1 and 2 seeds, starting out like 25-5 or better, and the bad teams fighting for lottery balls with AWFUL first halves to the season. This year, it’s pretty much just the Nets tanking the whole season and the Wolves seem like the clear favorite to be 2nd worst. Memphis, Clippers, Kings, Heat and some of the other tankers of recent past have gotten better.

I think an elite guard could lead this team to 40+ wins. By elite, I mean Kobe, Roy, Wade, etc. The only realistic candidates to fill that spot are Wall and to a lesser extent Rubio. Once we hit that threshold level of success (which would instantly be 100x more fun to watch and follow) we’d have to start looking into the more subtle weaknesses like interior defense and depth. But when you’re starting Brewer and Wilkins, I think there’s a crater that needs to be dealt with first. Both are hard-working and classy players, but when we’re starting BOTH of them, it’s a huge problem and it’ll consistently cost the team wins.

by Andy G on Jan 2, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Last year was the outlier.

I wrote a post somewhere (maybe Rube Chat, maybe here) about how a 24 win season has almost always guaranteed the 2nd or 3rd worst record in the league dating back to the early 90s, whereas last year we were tied for 4th worst. There was really no excuse for some of those teams to be as bad as they were, especially the Clippers.

by John Doe on Jan 3, 2010 3:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Wrong Oceanary,

It fits how you viewed and internalized the game, but not the facts. Before Howard was subbed out in the 1st, Love collected 3 offensive boards, Al grabbed 2 and Wilkins had 1. While Howard sat, Love collected 2 more (on the same play). Love sat down a few plays later and collected his next 2 offensive rebounds in the first half with Howard back in. I’m not sure where you get these ideas.

by dropstep on Jan 2, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

You just love arguing with me

All I’m saying is Love collected zero….0….offensive rebounds in the second half when Howard played the entire time.

If Love wasn’t collecting offensive rebounds when Howard was off the floor, then I guess Lewis and Anderson did a decent job of boxing him out after all.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually I hate arguing with you

And I wouldn’t do it if you were just stating opinions which differed from mine. But for some reason, your preconceptions actually influence how you observe and later recall factual events on the court. It is when you state blatantly incorrect facts to support your opinions that I feel compelled to post. And, you were not only saying that he collected 0 offensive rebounds in the 2nd half. You specifically stated that " Most of his offensive rebounds in the first half…were because Dwight Howard had to sit out with foul trouble." That is a completely different point and patently false.

by dropstep on Jan 2, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok

Half of Love’s offensive rebounds were with Howard on the bench

But sorry for not clarifying…the point I was trying to make was that Love didn’t get to the offensive glass at all in the second half, when Howard was crashing the glass like a madman.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Couple things

1.) Is this game on tv (indy)?

2.) Love did not get beat up by guys on the perimeter. Often times what happens is someone would slash to the paint, love would cover, and then love is late returning. Now, is it his responsibility to return, or should the secondary help defender cover the closer shooter and love close our on the baseline shooter? (that is how I coach it). There was a stat in the game thread about how when Love was not in the game Anderson/Lewis shot even more. Love’s athletic ability had nothing to do with the shooting. It was our horrible defensive rotations. I dont care how athletic wilkins is or how much “potential” flynn has. Neither of them rotate to earn minutes on a good college program. This was painfully obvious numerous times.

So lets get off love. It is not like anderson/lewis were driving on him and making athletic plays. Nobody rotated to cover when Love commited to help the penetration.

3.) The tip plays had nothing to do with love’s wingspan. (where did you get that sir?) It was everyone in the arena (all 47 of us) knowing that the ball was going to love and his defender cheating the telegraphed pass.

4.) You asked a while ago what flynn brings. In our system flynn pushes tempo, sometimes p/r but most often creates from the baseline. The triangle will not get him a large assist number. His dimes come in transistion. We need a playmaking wing in the worst way. That is the player that will get the dimes.

Just my thoughts.

by revprodeji on Jan 2, 2010 5:03 PM CST reply actions  

Love wasn't double teaming anyone last night

He was just hanging out around the hoop looking for offensive rebounds. If there had been a legit defensive excuse for Love leaving his man open all the time, S-n-P would mention that. We all watched the game…Love definitely got burned in the second half last night.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah and almost every other power forward

gets burned by the Magic as well. They create all sorts of mismatches for everyone not just Love and the Wolves. I understand you don’t think Love’s all that great but he’s our best player and you don’t take him off the floor in crunch time.

I would have rather seen Love go down low and try to bang with Howard and take Al Jefferson out and put Gomes in to cover Lewis. That way it makes Howard come and guard Love in the high post and opens the paint for everyone else (who can than go and miss wide open layups instead of contested ones)…

by Bad News Wolves on Jan 2, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not so much that he let them score...

…it’s that he didn’t play defense correctly. It’s one thing to stick close or close out and have the guy hit the shot anyway. It’s another thing to not even try to defend him, and that’s what Love did most of the night.

Guys like Lewis and Anderson aren’t unguardable. It’s not like teams haven’t figured out that scheme before. Just like teams figured out the Suns when they ran Marion at power forward. Odom can guard them. Garnett can guard them. Hell, Ryan Gomes did a great job guarding them for the 20 minutes or so he played last night.

Like S-n-P said, it’s just one of Love’s limitations. He doesn’t have the quickness or length to contest those kinds of players. But the problem last night was he wasn’t even trying to.

There was a reason Rambis pulled him off the floor…

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah Love has limits

but I would rather see Big Al benched and Love go and guard Howard and bring in Gomes. That should fix the mismatch on that side of the ball and on the other end Howard would have to leave the low post to guard Love in the high post and he’s not nearly the defender outside of the paint.

by Bad News Wolves on Jan 2, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Love guard Howard....?

That sounds like a disaster….first because Love doesn’t have Jefferson’s high center of gravity or wingspan. Second because Love has absolutely no chance of scoring with Dwight guarding him.

Let’s not get carried away talking about Love here….he’s not Garnett or anything. Asking him to guard Dwight would be like asking David Lee to guard Dwight. No good.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Howard would actually sturggle with Love on defense.

Think about it Howard doesn’t leave the paint on defense, if he has to guard Love than he’s either got to go out to the high post which opens up the paint or leave Love open and let him shoot.

Howards offense isn’t anything special if you can keep him from getting position for a dunk he’s not going to do anything. Love is very good at getting position for his rebounding and I think he could use those same skills to defend Howard. And even if Howard starts scoring that means that Lewis and Anderson aren’t.

by Bad News Wolves on Jan 2, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Howard is an excellet perimeter defender for a big man

One of the best pick and roll defenders, and his long arms and leaping ability let him sag off shooters and still contest their shots.

He’s not Shaq out there. Or Al Jefferson.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that this really support my point, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kwhi1twVO0

I just find that play so unbelievable. And Dwight got cheated too….that was a clean block.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

How was he hanging aroung the hoop

looking for offensive rebounds when he was on defense?

We all did watch the game and while you and SnP agree that Love was getting burned most of the rest of us saw him chasing shooters after he had given help D.

by Ailuridae on Jan 2, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

Because Love is the best player in the NBA and can never do anything wrong ever

rolls eyes

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

That’s exactly what those of us who disagree with you are asserting

by Ailuridae on Jan 2, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually...

After rewatching most of the game, it’s a mix. There were several times that Love was cheating toward helping with a double, but often the ball was still with a wing. Several were on transition, where Love naturally gravitated to the basket before the defense was set to prevent the fast brakm but he wasn’t tracking Lewis drifting to the arc.

I think, on review that it was the team strategy to help on Howard. Hollings did the same thing, and didn’t do any better at jumping out on the 3 despite greater speed and length

by dropstep on Jan 2, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, we did hold Howard down

That was something at least.

Still, it seemed to me Love got caught in no man’s land a lot, halfway between a double team and guarding his man, which effectively meant he wasn’t doing either. Those two late threes Anderson hit, Love was definitely nowhere in the area.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

i have no idea what you are talking about with the wingspan bit

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm glad you mentioned that part though

I commented on it in the game thread after Love botched his second pass out of a double team, and everyone jumped down my throat.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Not related to the game, really

But since I saw that Jonny had hit 5-7 threes (an encouraging sign), it reminded me of the last Barcelona box score that I looked at after Ricky’s 20+ point night. On both his 20+ point night and this game, he hit 3-4 threes. If both of our point guards can start hitting threes at a decent clip, that really ups their value as well as their overall game.

by nja700 on Jan 2, 2010 5:22 PM CST reply actions  

Rubio's an underrated shooter...

….like Jason Kidd. People hammer on Kidd all the time, but he’s shooting 40% from three this year.

Rubio’s shooting 46% from three in the ACB league right now. He seems like a very ideal point guard for the triangle, where he can run the floor on the fastbreak and hit threes in the halfcourt.

by Oceanary on Jan 2, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Kidd has improved his shooting over his career.

He’s still not a knock down shooter but as his skills have diminished he has worked on his shooting.

by Bad News Wolves on Jan 2, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno, I’d say he’s a legit 3pt sniper now, which is pretty weird considering how thoroughly mediocre he was earlier in his career. Kudos to him for completely revamping his game to remain effective after losing his athleticism. The 3pt shot and his ability to defend 2’s have really extended his career.

And, from what I’ve seen, Rubio can knock down open 3pters. He’s not going to be pulling up off the dribble or killing guys if they go under the pick, but I think the ability to knock down some set shots when the defense rotates off of him will be very useful on a team with Al down low.

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by Xand1 on Jan 3, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Flynn

When he squares up and has some open space he is a very solid jump shooter. The same thing can’t be said of Sessions. This is why it probably makes sense to maintain the Flynn-Brewer and Sessions-Ellington pairing. My guess is that Flynn ends up the year somewhere in the low to mid-30s in terms of shooting from the 3, but that is pretty solid for a rookie. Hopefully he can keep improving this part of his game.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 2, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

On another post I spelled out three things for Flynn to work on this summer.

1. Defense (both rotation and man). This is the top priority.
2. Facilitating. This one is kind of nebulous because so many things go into setting another player up. Them actually hitting a shot (not a given on this team), getting the pass to the right area where they can take a shot right away versus trying to get ahold of the pass and alot of this that add up to chemistry with teammates (simple things like teammates getting to places where you can actually allow Flynn to make a pass).
3. 3pt practice. If Flynn can get to a 40% clip it will do alot of good for his game. Add that to at least one more wing that can hit from deep and there will be alot of open paint to drive.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 2, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

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