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With two hands, Corey, with two hands (i.e. more of this please)

There have been not a few times this season where the Wolves have lost a game in something approaching a respectable manner and after which I have said to myself something along the lines of "Yeah, but there really wasn't anything for them to build on.  They just caught someone on an off night while getting some random production out of their own 1 and 3."  Last night's loss to the Thunder was not one of those nights.  I would even go as far as to say it was their best game of the year in terms of long term development.  I'll explain why below the fold.

Star-divide

There has been some significant progress in Wolves-ville over the past two weeks and last night's tilt features examples of both. 

First, Corey Brewer is starting to look like the guy the team drafted from Florida.  Take a look at his month-to-month splits:

Value G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST
Month October 2 2 63 8 22 0 1 2 4 6 12 2 5 3 5 6 18 .364 .000 .500 31.5 9.0 6.0 1.0
November 15 15 478 72 188 6 33 32 49 15 67 36 30 9 31 40 182 .383 .182 .653 31.9 12.1 4.5 2.4
December 16 16 476 80 172 5 18 35 51 14 52 29 18 2 34 37 200 .465 .278 .686 29.8 12.5 3.3 1.8
January 10 10 322 57 127 13 30 21 33 14 38 22 11 8 23 34 148 .449 .433 .636 32.2 14.8 3.8 2.2

This is the 2nd month in a row where he's been functional from the floor.  He's passing the ball well, he's rebounding at a decent clip, and he's filling up the stat sheet in ways this club has only seen matched by Kevin Love

Last night Brewer finished the game with an outlier of 25 points on 10-17 shooting while dishing out 6 assists and nabbing 5 steals.  Most importantly, he locked down (yes, locked down) Kevin Durant when it mattered the most: down the stretch in the 4th quarter, holding KD to 6 points and a -1 with only 3 FGA.  This isn't the first time we have seen Brewer show some flashes as a lock down defender.  It is becoming something of a regular occurrence for Brewer and it is a very welcome development.

Last night's Corey was capable with the ball; setting up pick and rolls, finding open men, not looking like a chicken with his head cut off, etc.  He was downright disruptive in transitions and off the cut.  He's starting to finish some of his previously hopeless drives into the lane.  He even tried a left handed finish last night.  The dude has put in some serious work on his game and it is starting to really pay off for both him and the club.  He and Love are far and away the easiest guys to root for right now.

I'm working on a few spreadsheets for Brewer's offensive game but what has really turned things around for him is getting to the line at an increased pace (over 3/game in the last 2 months), taking more "realistic" threes (i.e. not ones out of his relative hot zones), and getting more opportunities in transition.  At the beginning of the season I wrote that Corey Brewer would have no shortage of opportunities to prove himself on the offensive end this season.  The Wolves have installed an up-tempo system that rewards exactly the type of skills we thought he had at Florida.  Those skills are starting to surface in the NBA.  Now, if only he would take it hard to the rim with two hands with a game-on-the-line drive to the bucket.  (And no, I do not think that Jeff Green fouled him; it was a hell of a defensive play by the Thunder and a crappy one-handed drive by Brew.)

The second big development example last night was that Al Jefferson played relatively solid defense.  He collected a charge when it mattered, he blocked two shots, he rotated into correct positions, and he didn't display what I thought would surely be the next entry into the Wolves Hoopus Dictionary, The Big Al Twist: An uncanny ability to get turned around on defense and end up with your back facing the guy with the ball. 

Big Al has also been playing what can only be described as "diversified ball" over the past few weeks or so.  Whether this has more to do with the new coaching staff or Al's need to find ways to contribute other than scoring with a bum knee, I don't know.  What I do know is that Al is passing out of situations he previously would have put his head down and rammed his way forward.  He is moving his feet in anticipation on defense, not just in reaction to someone who has already blown well past the point where anything could be done about it.  He's even starting to say the things you'd expect your best player/team leader to say during 1/2 time interviews and post game pressers.  Last night's 1/2 time comments focused on the need for a better defensive effort and for Brewer to step it up on Durrant.  Amazingly, this actually happened. We're not talking about him being a possession-by-possession lock down type of guy, but if he can be an average performer over the course of a game, his offense is good enough to make this a more than positive trade off.

Last night's game was not without a few typical Wolves blunders.  I almost put Jonny Flynn in the list of positive developments.  Flynn's shot was not falling early last night and he responded by taking only 2 shots in his 2 middle quarter stints while dishing out 5 assists and only 1 turnover.  The Wolves actually played some decent team ball during these two stints.  Unfortunately, Flynn also had his typical bad effort on defense (repeatedly getting burned on simple high screens) as well as 0 assists down the stretch in the 4th quarter while taking (and, admittedly, making) a lot of shots.  This falls in line with a trend we have noticed over the 1st 1/2 of the season. 

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This is a breakdown of Flynn's usage rate in relation to the score of the game.  You can find the data for these sorts of charts with the play-by-play excel sheets found at Basketball Geek.  What we see here is that the more possessions Flynn factors in, the more the Wolves tend to be behind.  This supplements what we have known about his +/- and on/off numbers all season long.  If I were to look into this more, my first goal would be to figure out what types of possessions Flynn uses in his high usage rate areas.  Are these the situations where he jacks up a ton of shots?  Do the Wolves have more close-to-the-bucket opportunities in his low usage situations?  Do they have more assisted buckets in the low usage situations? And so on and so forth...

On the other hand, Ramon Sessions carries something a bit less trendy:

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The kicker here is that Sessions plays with the backups and he simply doesn't have a large enough sample size of possessions where the Wolves are up by 6 or more to make this really work.  Everything to the left of that line shows that he has a fairly consistent usage rate no matter what the score and that he, for a lack of a better phrase, knows his place a bit better than Flynn.  Again, the next step here is to look deeper into the score sheet and figure out some situational data.  We know that Sessions carries better rotational scores, better +/- numbers, and he's a better defender compared to Flynn.  We also know that there appears to be a correlation between Flynn's usage rate and the team's +/- that doesn't exist with Sessions.  If Flynn is going to be The Guy at the point, perhaps a more detailed study of his usage rate in relation to the team's scores could yield some interesting answers and help him become a more functional player at the position. I'll never agree with the pick and I'm pessimistic about his chances to work in the long run (especially with Rubio sitting there), but I want the guy to succeed and this is the sort of approach I want to take to critiquing his game from here on out.

Random thoughts to finish this off:

  • There was a lot of chatter in the game thread about bad officiating.  For once, I do not agree. While the Thunder had a FT/FG% of 24.3% to the Wolves' 10.6%, each team had 16 PF.  Kevin Durrant draws contact and he's a budding super star.  He had over 1/2 of his team's FTAs. 
  • Not having Kevin Love really hurt in this game.  The Wolves were forced to back fill his minutes with Ryan Hollins and Brian Cardinal.  The two combined for a -11 in just over 20 minutes of play.  The Wolves lost the battle of the boards, with an oreb% score of 17.9% to the Thunder's 21.2%. 
  • Player development aside (and yes, Brewer, Love, Jefferson, and even Flynn, in small doses, are improving), Kurt Rambis is really starting to run out some baffling rotations.  Last night he had to deal without his best player so we won't make too much of it, but we'll keep an eye on this development going forward. 
  • Last year, my biggest fear in the draft is that the Portland TrailBlazers would get their grubby mitts on Ty Lawson.  Thankfully, their genius GM was unable to pull off this obvious move and they signed Andre Miller to a ridiculous deal instead. This year, my fear is that the Thunder end up with Cole Aldrich.  They are 2 years and a post presence away from being very problematic for the rest of the league.

Well, that about does it for now.  What caught your eye during the game?

Until later.

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What caught my eye...

was how well Kevin Durant runs the floor. I figured he’d be something like a Rashard Lewis-kind of player, but he’s already better than Lewis and has a long ways to go before he reaches his ceiling.

Agreed on Brewer. If he can knock down shots with consistency, he’ll be a good pro.

by Andy G on Jan 21, 2010 7:50 AM CST reply actions  

I haven't watched many NBA games the past couple years

but seeing Durant impressed me, too. Yes, I had heard about how special a talent he is. But watching him was impressive.

Agreed on Brewer, too. Glad to see him making very substantial contributions in many facets of the game.

We all know that art is not the truth, art is a lie that makes us realize the truth.--Picasso

by uncle rico on Jan 21, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Guys that long and that tall should not be that coordinated with the ball. The fact that he can score from anywhere is just nuts. I don’t think he even went 1 on 1 last night all that much and he still was awesome. I swear, if he was isoed as much as Melo is in Denver, he could score 35ppg.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Jan 21, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree and agree...

…Durant is one hell of a scorer. Dude can shoot from anywhere with deadly accuracy.

Aside from the two obvious foot-out-of-bounds no-calls, I didn’t have much of a problem with last night’s officiating. It would be nice if Flynn got a few more of those drives, but he hasn’t been getting those all season (he actually got one or two more calls than I would normally expect), and it’s probably time that he adjust his game accordingly.

by Boss10 on Jan 21, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd argue that if he keeps up the good fight

sooner or later he will get the calls. He’s a rookie and can’t take that personally. But he really does draw a lot of contact and he should get those calls sooner or later… hopefully sooner. If it really becomes an issue, that’s when Rambis compiles the tape from one game of Jonny-No-Calls and sends them to the league for review.

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Right now the no-calls are hurting the team...

…Flynn averages at least 5 possessions/game where he drives at the hoop and, I for one, think he should have passed to a teammate for an easier shot. The no-call simply compounds the issue, and certainly doesn’t excuse it.

by Boss10 on Jan 22, 2010 2:32 AM CST up reply actions  

But when he was doing that in Summer League

and actually getting calls, it worked out great for the team. Getting to the line is a big part of what makes great players great. I don’t think you can fault him for trying to initiate contact.

by TimAllen on Jan 22, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I wholly agree Flynn was pretty amazing in Summer League

…aside from the fact the scab refs supposedly didn’t have agendas of their own. Another facet was he was actually hitting many more shots with contact than he is now – with or without the foul. Lately, defenses have adjusted to the Jonny Stop. Most of us can easily anticipate when he is going to do a head-down drive to the hoop, and if we know it, the defense will certainly know it as well, and collapse accordingly. Likewise, shouldn’t the offense adjust in kind?
Either way, here’s to hoping Jonny does start getting those calls!

by Boss10 on Jan 22, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

If by offense adjust in kind

you mean run back on defense so no fast breaks can happen after the botched layup attempt, then yes!

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Touche!

Although that sounds much more like transition defense, I can appreciate the effort. However, I was referring to something more like:
1) Drive deep, kick out
2) Drive, pull up, kick down
3) Drive, pull up, shot
Repeat as necessary until the defense starts over-playing the pass again, and:
4) Drive deep, throw up shot with contact.

by Boss10 on Jan 22, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha yeah I knew what you meant

couldn’t help myself though.
Assuming the guys see Jonny taking the ball to the hoop and go, “Again?” Then they should definitely be moving to spots where they can get the ball either from an [extremely] easy pass or from a rebound. Guys like Brewer and Wilkins to a lesser extent should be looking for long rebounds (because Brewer can still make it back to play defense no matter where he starts) while Love and Jefferson should crash the boards and our 3 should be looking to shoot (Gomes/Pavlovic – no matter how much I will cringe).

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh for sure

By no means should he be passing up the passing so much. But when the pass isn’t open and contact can be drawn, he should keep doing what he is doing. The refs have to reward it eventually or it becomes a huge issue with the league. IF Rambis is doing his job, of course.

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I was going to come type the same exact thing. In the NBA, you don’t adjust your game if you’re doing it right. You keep doing it until the refs have to notice it. In theory, they should eventually respect your game and give you the calls you deserve.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Jan 22, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

CB and JF

If one would compare thus blog’s comments about Brewer over the last two years to what has been written, it would be virtually night and day. No longer a joke. He seems to be abe to more regularly stop (D) and pop (O).

And based upon what I believe about Flynn, the commentary trend will end up to be the same as it was for CB. Enough talent, athleticism and will. “I say go, go Jonny go. Go Johnny go. Jonny be good.”

by Elastico on Jan 21, 2010 7:54 AM CST reply actions  

I hope you are right

But I hope it doesn’t take 3 years before it pans out. Obviously Brewer was set back by injury, and Flynn is getting more PT that Brewer did, so I’m really hoping we are seeing a lot of improvement when he gets back to training camp next year.

by Cedarpenguin on Jan 21, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

This usage thing

and Flynn is really, really interesting. There’s something important there that is begging to be teased out. I’d love to see a similar usage chart for Durant for the past two seasons as well, as he’s the poster child for now for being both a +/- goat and then turning it around (and perhaps we witnessing the same with Al and defense?).

I am hopeful that Flynn will progress on a somewhat smooth continuum – better shot selection, more assists (inching up as the year goes along), and most especially on defense. Derrick Martin needs to start waking him up at 3 AM and make him do drills on how to stay with his man. Executing properly in a game = full night’s sleep.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jan 21, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Last year (before injury) in adjusted plus minus AL was one of the the team leaders

2008-9 adjusted plus minus for players still on team

Jefferson 5.04
Cardinal 4.09
-——————————-
Love (minus) 7.63
Gomes (minus) 8.76

Note: brewer didn’t play enough to be rated since injury.

Those numbers are completely turned around this season.

Gomes now leads the team and Love is also a leader……

Adjusted plus minus for 2009-10

Gomes 13.76
Love 7.92
Wilkins 0.60
-————————————-
Brewer (minus) 0.54
Jawai (minus) 1.66
Ellington (minus) 1.85
Sessions (minus) 2.17
Jefferson (minus) 5.23 (Jefferson coming back from injury)
Pavlovic (minus) 8.44
Flynn (minus) 10.28
Hollins (minus) 16.71

by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 21, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I will admit my opinion on Brewer has completely changed

I used to think that he was a horrible basketball player. Now I think he is more likely a tremendous basketball player with a horrible inner ear condition. Perhaps he has sought medical treatment or learned some cognitive or meditative techniques to deal with the intermittant tinnitus and disequilibrium.

by dropstep on Jan 21, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I got to give it up to Flynn this game

The guys got ice-water in his veins. He passed the entire game and his shot wasn’t falling throughout the first three quarters, but with 5 minutes left in the fourth, he went off, even though he missed the game winner, i still think that he can be a very special player. Kind of like what all the greats do, they set up their teammates through the first three quarters and take over in crunch time, Flynn does a termendous job of that

by AT-360 on Jan 21, 2010 8:30 AM CST reply actions  

Yes. For all of Flynn's quite documented flaws...

I’ve always somewhat believed that this type of thing is more cliche and myth than truth. And it may be. But so far, Jonny has shown a bigger sense of the moment and “it” factor than any Wolf since Cassell (and KG in the ‘04 playoffs). He’s just got cajones.

Combined with the fact that he seems like a nice, happy guy, I think this makes him just as easy to root for, if not more so, than Brewer and Love. Of course, I wasn’t dead-set against his selection from the beginning, so that may have something to do with it.

by LoveTo on Jan 21, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Not that it necessarily matters...

But has anyone else noticed that he hugs every player and coach before the game (or at least as many as he can get)? Uncommon thing for a player to do, and I didn’t notice it until going to the game last night.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jan 21, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but

It seems as if he decides at the beginning of the play exactly what he’s going to do. Shoot or pass. So, when he goes into Jonny Hero mode, or morphs into Fourth Quarter Flynn, you’re going to get exactly what you go last night. A bunch of low percentageshots and drives, which, if they work, great. Can he get better as he develops a feel for the game and expands his comfort zone? Certainly. But not every player improves the flaws in their game.

Didn’t Kahn, who knows more about basketball than anybody, state that court awareness was innate in his chat yesterday? Oops, that’s your boss talking, Johnny.

by dropstep on Jan 21, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree, definitely.

Throughout the game, he telegraphs his intentions far too often. He’s quite flawed, but he’s also quite dynamic and quite ballsy. I personally like him a lot and see all kinds of upside in him, but I see where people disagree.

I do, however vehemently object to Kahn’s statement that court awareness is innate. How does that make sense? You mean a player can’t be taught to understand the game around him the more he plays it? Interesting…

by LoveTo on Jan 21, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I was only scanning the DK chat session yesterday

but I think he was referring more generally to basketball IQ. Correct if I’m wrong, however. I did post a question asking whether or not DK frequented our sacred site: it went unasked, however. My suspicion is that DK lurks here and did not want to give away his handle.

We all know that art is not the truth, art is a lie that makes us realize the truth.--Picasso

by uncle rico on Jan 21, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

So....

Does SBNation provide any statistics about the hits to the web pages? It’s pretty simple to be able to get a geographic trace on web site hits to see where it is that people looking at your page come from. So we could see if there is any unusual traffic coming from near the FO?

by Cedarpenguin on Jan 21, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

If there are such stats

I would assume they would give a general IP address, which could cover a broad area. For now I shall follow the motto of “A Serious Man” and “accept the mystery.”

We all know that art is not the truth, art is a lie that makes us realize the truth.--Picasso

by uncle rico on Jan 21, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

to many people downtown

I am just a few blocks from the FO when I read the blog.

by TheMorningAfter on Jan 22, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

CH

I think we’ve got him!

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

as in I work downtown

yet have only been to two game this season, when you never know when your going to get laid off you gotta start watching expenses. Plus the company could not give any bonuses for christmas so they gave everyone twolves tickets so I went to most of the games last year for free.

by TheMorningAfter on Jan 22, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

It was court awareness

Now that I look back. I do think court awareness is close to BBIQ. It certainly involves some portion of IQ beyond simple court vision. Not sure how that comment extrapolates to the ways in which Kahn evaluates players.

by dropstep on Jan 21, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be very interesting to see the same chart for Jefferson and Brewer.

They have similar overall plus / minus numbers to Flynn for the season.

by Menyun3 on Jan 21, 2010 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

Speaking of the Thunder's post presence....

I continue to be shocked by the fact that they took BJ Mullens over Dejuan Blair. Can you imagine if they had a garbage collector like Blair on that team?

by Blakeley on Jan 21, 2010 8:48 AM CST reply actions  

Wow

Great point. They would without question be an even better team with Blair on that squad.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 21, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I am not saying Flynn is anything close to Kevin Durant...

but there is an excellent article on ESPN called the Kevin Durant Conundrum which basically talks about how horrible his plus / minus was the first two years. He was the worst on his own team and they played much better when he wasn’t on the floor. Winston (that stat guy) even said he belonged in the bottom 10% of the league.

The following is part of the article:

Meanwhile, the things that make him inefficient — mediocre passing, forcing some shots, turnovers, not making teammates better, and of course bad defense — are all things that improve not just with work but also with better teammates. With the mere passage of time, thanks to an armada of draft picks, cap space, and high-potential young players to develop with him, these things will get much better on their own.

Surrounded by better shooters, for instance, Durant would face fewer double teams and more assists, and less of a need to create for himself and turn the ball over. With better teammates, his team would score much more easily. On defense, meanwhile, veterans have a long track record of getting more consistent results — the referees may be a factor, but probably even more important is the physical development that allows players in their prime to take nightly poundings and keep on fighting.

Again, I am not saying Flynn is Durant. Just an interesting article regarding plus / minus.

by Menyun3 on Jan 21, 2010 8:51 AM CST reply actions  

For me, this just demonstrates how people take +/- WAY too far.

I mean, for anyone to advocate that Durant is a horrible player in the NBA based simply on a stat like plus-minus is ridiculous. To me, the whole idea that anyone can say that Ramon Sessions is better than Jonny Flynn simply because his plus-minus number is better is missing the boat. The plus-minus stat is INCREDIBLY misleading. Let’s say Player X (let’s call him Jonny) starts for a team with one of the weakest starting lineups in the NBA. As a result, his team routinely falls behind by double digits early in the game, due in part to his own defensive weaknesses, as well as those of his teammates. As such, when Player X checks out of a game for Player Y (let’s call him Ramon), Player X has a double-digit negative plus-minus. Player Y, however, gets to play against the opposing teams’ second unit or a winded first unit, and therefore makes a mini-run back to respectability in the score until he checks out with a positive (or lower than double-digit negative) plus-minus.

Now, maybe I’m missing something about the plus-minus stat and it is somehow adjusted to take situations like this into consideration. If so, I would be genuinely interested to know that. If no adjustment is made, however, for my money, I’d trust what I can see with my own two eyes over an artificial number that I read in a box score.

by BVP on Jan 21, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

+/- does adjust for all of those things.

The problem is that one consequence of all of the necessary adjustments is a serious loss of power. Meaning you need massive sample sizes to discriminate between a real effect and just random chance. This makes +/- for a game or a week worthless, and +/- even for a year or two uninspiring in its predictive power.

While I will never agree with trusting your own two eyes, there is very good reason to be skeptical of any +/- based assessments.

by vjl110 on Jan 21, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

+/- is like RBI's in baseball

it tells you about the player, but really, it tells you more about the teammates that surround him

by uofmike on Jan 21, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Thoughts on Al Jeff?

Anyone, even Al Jeff apologists, have any thoughts on Big Al’s evolution right before our eyes? Is his game evolving? I sometimes wonder if he’s adapting and growing his game because he wants to stay here, because he wants to be a part of the solution and not simply another piece of bait. Just amazing to me that he’s been here, what, 3 years now? And now he starts trying to play defense and pass? Maybe he just needed someone to say to him, ‘yup, still not good enough. you can do better.’

Thoughts? Is this a trend or an anomaly? Or is it due to mitigating factors?

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Jan 21, 2010 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

He looks like he’s really starting to get his low post game back from what I saw. Didn’t notice much on defense or passing, but I only saw part of the game. But just based on his age and experience, he really should be improving.

by museum on Jan 21, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know...

But if he continues to play the all-around game he’s played the last few games, there’s no way I’d advocate trading him.

by LoveTo on Jan 21, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I think I can agree with this. The big IF for me is if he can just become an average defender that can guard his own man while making the proper rotations and pick up a few blocks, I start to agree with Kahn that they could work together with a Hollins like player as the 3rd big presuming that this Hollins like player is not in fact Ryan Hollins.

by Ebomb on Jan 21, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It was better...

But he’s also been moored to the left box the last two games, and it’s been causing some stagnant possessions because his man has enough length to overplay the entry pass (Dally on Monday and Krstic and Ibaka last night). His D was good, and clutch; he’s always had a clutch element to his defense, but the other things have been better (I laughed out loud at the The Big Al Twist though). This might be in the game plan (as in we need to maximize his effectiveness with Love out).

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jan 21, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

jefferson's defense was better than most people recognized at times last year.... like during the wolves run from end of December until Jefferson's injury. ...

So, in my opinion his defense has been slowly improving for a while. He didn’t always do it but he was learning right along. [Note: didn’t do it: 1) had early fouls and didn’t want to foul out, 2) was so tired from playing lots of minutes and more focused on offense that he let defense slip.]

I watched Jefferson while playing for Boston, take many charges. He normally “saves” it for late in game or important moments in the game. If you watch his blocks his does something similar. If the game is “close” you will see more blocks clustered to the end of games.

With all of that said, I think Jefferson has also improved his rotations and is recognizing better where to be on the court. He is also taking more of a leadership role on defense. I’ve seen him “push” players toward uncovered guys in the team defense.

He is also being more diligent on “run outs” to the perimeter, putting a hand into someone’s face.

We have definitely seen an improvement this season from early in the year till now. Some of that I attribute to recovery from injury, some to focus on defense by coaching staff and team, after focusing most of the team’s energy on “learning the triangle”.

His improved passing is something new. I attribute to this coaching staff. He is learning how to survey the court and make good passes. I think our guys don’t cut enough. They should cut more when he surveys, he’ll find them.

by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 21, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it is pretty simple

Like many big men, he has improved a little every year. Unfortunately his improvement last season was derailed. He spent his early 20’s mastering his strength, post offense, he will spend his late 20’s developing his lesser skills…defense and passing. Not a bad plan.

by Rumblebee on Jan 21, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Harden

What does everyone think of Harden?

by Mac of the MIAC on Jan 21, 2010 9:13 AM CST reply actions  

I thought he was fairly ordinary out there

He looked like any other 2 guard, not the 3rd overall pick in the draft

by TimAllen on Jan 21, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Thought he looked good

for half way through his rookie season. You can certainly argue about his upside, but he has a very nice all-around game.

by dropstep on Jan 21, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

He was effective without dominating the ball

I can see why the Zombie Sonics picked him; he fits with what they’ve got.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I say this in a selfish way

I think he fits too well with them. Since I’m not a fan of them like I am the Wolves (though I still like to watch them), I’d love to see that team with Rubio or Evans playing alongside Westbrook and Durant. Harden’s a great fit, but it’d be interesting to see them with more dynamic players even if they don’t seem to be perfect fits. I guess they went conservative instead of boom/bust.

by nja700 on Jan 21, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he’ll be good. I doubt he’ll ever be an All Star on that team, but from what I’ve seen this year he’ll be an excellent shooter who moves around well too.

by museum on Jan 21, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

He’s a fantastic passer off the dribble. No surprise there, I suppose, but he’s a great fit on that team.

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by Xand1 on Jan 21, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Positive reinforcement/negative reinforcement and results

I was at the game and really thought that the Timberwolves are showing signs of learning. I remember watching Corey Brewer in preseason and cringing on his offensive possessions. In the first half I didn’t think he took a single bad shot and really dominated the game. His form was great and I found myself wanting him to shoot it. There was one point in the third quarter where he took a bad shot and it went in and everyone clapped(positive reinforcement for a bad action). The next series down the floor he took another bad shot and of course was on given the negative reinforcement. Then the next series down the floor he had an ok shot at a three and hesitated and passed. You could almost see his mind working through results, not on process. I think this is one thing the T-wolves still have to learn not to necessarily from what happens, but from putting themselves in the right spots and making the right decisions. Corey righted himself quickly though and had a fantastic rest of the game and 4th quarter.

I thought Al was great. He played great D and was a force in the post. The only thing was in the with less than a minute he tried to do his same post move as he’d been doing all game, but the tension of the moment was different and the shot came off differently. He’ll learn how to adjust to this with more experience.

Rambis lineups were downright odd. Playing Pavlovic for such a long time in the 1st half(versus playing Ellington)and not going with Sessions, Wilkins, Brewer, Cardinal, Jefferson(the one that got us back into the gamein the 3rd) for the final couple minutes is what I think ultimately cost us the game. I could also have seen Flynn, Wilkins, Brewer, Cardinal, Jefferson. Gomes had not played well all game and he seemed to lack any kind of confidence, which is not what want in guys finishing in a close game. There was also one point where I think he could have exercised an unusual strategic use of a timeout. It was late in the 3rd and Flynn came into sub for sessions(and sessions started to walk of the floor) but was told to come back because Flynn technically couldn’t come into the game. I think he should have called timeout and subbed Jonny in. Sessions proceeded to go down the floor and play the only bad possession I saw out of him all game as I believe he had already mentally checked out.

I didn’t think Brewer got fouled either. I thought Harden was a quiet good shooter all game and as I left the game I was wonder how did Durant get 30+ points without seeming like he had gotten that many points?

by blackswanhunter on Jan 21, 2010 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

I didn't mind the use of Pavlovic in this game...

He did a decent job of guarding Durant (which is why he played so much in my opinion). I still want him gone as fast as possible.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Jan 21, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Durant is just a flat out pure scorer

He’s going to be like George Gervin, Alex English, Carmello Anthony, etc. where you you can just book him for 25+ points night in and night out. The only question is how many shots does he need to take. It’s amazing how many points he got simply by running the floor and putting himself in position to get fouled. I though we defended him quite well when hunkered down in the half court, but yeah, he is just a machine.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 21, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

only 21 YO too

that is sick.

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by uncle rico on Jan 21, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

CB gets

my hands-down vote for the (major) surprise of the season. If he can bring more consistency, this would be a major boost for the team’s long-term development.

by Elastico on Jan 21, 2010 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

MOST IMPROVED

How does Corey Brewer not win Most Improved Player this year?
Who in the NBA has upped their game more than him?

And, he’s a Poster Boy for Kahn’s claim that they will develop their own players.

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 21, 2010 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

Carl Landry?

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by biggity2bit on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

No chance

Brewer has improved, sure, but our team is still terrible. I would give Zach Randolph my vote this year. Also Landry and Gerald Wallace would have to be considered.

by TimAllen on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmm

I’d love to see a stats breakdown on those.
I don’t think Zach’s “numbers” have improved that much.
He’s simply landed in a good situation where his contributions lead to wins.
Wallace’s rebounding is up, but he’s been a Top 20 fantasy stud for years now.
I’ll have to check on Landry’s numbers compared to Brewer’s.

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 21, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Landry's and Randolph's stats are improved.

Wallace may have improved from last year, but he had arguably even better seasons in ‘05-’06 and ‘06-’07, so I wouldn’t give it to him.

Randolph’s numbers are less improved, but he is scoring more efficiently than ever before in his career. He’s posting the highest OReb% since his rookie year (in which he played 5.8 MPG), which is the biggest reason why Memphis leads the league in Offensive Rebound Rate. Add in the fact that Memphis is exceeding expectations and Randolph’s former reputation, and I think he warrants consideration.

Landry is just a beast. He’s gotten a big increase in minutes, and he’s actually increased his per minute production and efficiency.

by John Doe on Jan 21, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

There are a lot of good candidates

Asides from the ones already mentioned, I like Aaron Brooks and Channing Frye too. Even Kevin Durant is making an argument despite how good he already was.

by Bethke on Jan 21, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Good list

I would also add Marc Gasol on there. He was pretty good last year, but he has really stepped it up this year.

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 1:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Josh Smith

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 22, 2010 6:14 AM CST up reply actions  

That's an interesting one

He definitely has had the skills all along, but some how he has matured into his skills, so to speak. HE doesn’t try to block and dunk everything now, I guess.

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Or

Shoot any threes.

by nja700 on Jan 22, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

only 3 3pa all year...

…and he shoots over .500 from 2. He already has as many win shares as he did all last year. His assist rate is way up and his rebounding is better. He went from a -1 to a +10 in ortg drtg differential.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 22, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's see if he can sustain his momentum

While his December numbers are an improvement, they are passable versus horrible and probably not MIP worthy. His January numbers are what really get my attention. I’m skeptical though. I still feel a sense of shock and surprise when I see him swish a 3-pointer. And his forays to the hoop are still borderline out-of-control. If he can maintain his January clip, then that would indeed be a huge positive development for the Wolves.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 21, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Kevin Love? Going from 10 and 9 to 15 and 12 is a pretty big improvement considering his assists are up, he’s hitting 3’s and his overall efficiency is up.

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by Xand1 on Jan 21, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

3 close games in a row

with the appearance of improvement. Is it an aberration? Or is this team actually going to be competitive the rest of the year? Here are some factors to keep in mind…

1. Knee injuries - both Al and Brewer are recovering, so both should be closer if not at full strength for the 2nd half of the season.

2. Rookie development – both Ellington and Flynn are finding their way. I’d expect both to have better 2nd halves of the season.

3. Learning the triangle - not that the wolves will have it down after 1/2 season, but there are flashes good offense now. Expect improvement on this the 2nd half.

4. Love back and healthy. Obvious improvement in 2nd half. (assuming he stays healthy)

5. The wolves are starting to show a mild interest in defense.

Prediction:

Wolves were about -9.5 points for first 41 games. It’d be good to cut that in half for the 2nd half of the season.

Record wise, 8-33 1st half, 16-25 2nd half

Final record: 24-58

If the wolves are able to meet these goals, I’ll feel good that they are progressing…

What do you guys want to see in the 2nd half of the season?

by DR_JPK on Jan 21, 2010 12:18 PM CST reply actions  

Don't know what to think

I thought January would be the month we really put the things you mention above together, but so far we only have two wins to show for it and that’s with a fairly easy schedule and relatively healthy team. I do see individual signs of improvement (e.g. Brewer, Jefferson), but it doesn’t seem to be enough to get us more W’s. I thought at the beginning of the season that we were in for a 25-30 win year, but that seems like a tough hill to climb at this point.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 21, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Relatively healthy in January?!

You do realize that Hollins has been out for a few games witha respiratory illness?! That’s at least 4 wins right there!

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 1:38 AM CST up reply actions  

when you really think about

almost every loss this year is the result of a lack of playing time for Ryan Hollins. Damn you, Rambis, damn you. Obviously tanking!

by littleboxes on Jan 22, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

It's true

Hollins has only played about 15-20% of our minutes and we have only won that much of our games as well… coincidence?

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I think not.

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by biggity2bit on Jan 22, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I don’t believe in coincidence. I only believe in facts.

by littleboxes on Jan 22, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

As soon as Ryan Hollins is cloned so that he can play all positions and minutes, the wolves will never lose again… unless a team of LMA clones is also formed.

by aarendsvark on Jan 22, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

ooooh...

Can you imagine a team LMA vs. team Hollins doppelganger deathmatch? I’d be more riveting than Karl Malone playing Karl Malone in one on one basketball, (a reference to a Karl Malone quote I can’t find right now where he states that if he played himself, he’d win 9 out of 10 times).

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by biggity2bit on Jan 22, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

You can put a saddle on the Hollinsaurus...

…and ride him here:

http://creationmuseum.org/

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 22, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Just something to point out

We’ve had some awwwful games this year against some teams that aren’t even very good. But the high-rising team we played tonight experienced a similar blowout game against us last year. In January, even. I think by the end of the year this team will show a lot more promise than it seems they have in them now; after the draft and offseason we’ll be in even better shape.

I know the patience angle sucks, but it pays off if everyone does their job in the right way. It seems as if the mindset and team culture are a positive rather than a negative, and our long-term future looks all the better because of that.

by nja700 on Jan 21, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Landry

Here is Landry’s jump.
08-09 HOU 69 0 21.3 0.574 0.333 0.813 1.8 3.2 5.0 0.6 0.4 0.4 0.99 2.41 9.2
09-10 HOU 40 0 27.1 0.556 0.000 0.845 2.4 3.2 5.6 0.7 0.6 0.8 1.70 2.82 16.

Half a rebound. 6.8 points.

And Brewer’s.
08-09 MIN 15 8 20.5 0.411 0.417 0.737 1.2 2.1 3.3 1.7 1.0 0.2 0.87 2.47 6.2
09-10 MIN 43 43 31.1 0.426 0.293 0.657 1.1 2.8 3.9 2.1 1.5 0.5 2.16 2.72 12.7

Brewer up half a rebound and 6.5 points.

We’ve got a race on our hands!

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 21, 2010 12:19 PM CST reply actions  

Aaron Brooks has them both beat

if PPG increase is your measuring stick.

by Bethke on Jan 21, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

I guess the Rockets are the team to emulate for player development.

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 21, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I have trouble with anyone from a really bad team winning an individual award like this

but in terms of statistical improvement, you have to look at:

Marc Gasol
2008-2009 Stats: 11.9 points, 7.4 rebounds, 1.1 blocks, 53% shooting
2009-2010 Stats: 15.1 points, 10.0 rebounds, 1.4 blocks, 61% shooting

Noah
2008-2009 Stats: 6.7 points, 7.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 1.4 blocks
2009-2010 Stats: 10.3 points, 12.2 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.8 blocks

Channing Frye
2008-2009 Stats: 4.2 points, 2.2 rebounds
2009-2010 Stats: 12.9 points, 6.0 rebounds

CDR
2008-2009 Stats: 4.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 0.3 steals
2009-2010 Stats: 16.4 points, 4.5 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.2 steals

The Rooster
2008-2009 Stats: 6.1 points, 2.0 rebounds
2009-2010 Stats: 14.5 points, 4.7 rebounds

Ariza
2008-2009 Stats: 8.9 points, 4.3 rebounds, 1.8 assists
2009-2010 Stats: 16.2 points, 5.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists

As well as Brooks and Landry, who you mentioned.

by TimAllen on Jan 21, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

It's also worth

Looking at a jump in minutes. I have no idea how that played into these players’ improvements, but it’s a good way to weed out who has improved and who is simply producing more as they play more.

by nja700 on Jan 21, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Raw statistics increasing should be one aspect, but only when coupled with the use of per-minute adjusted metrics like PER.

by John Doe on Jan 21, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

at the end of the day

you need to look at per 36 adjusted stats or call out the difference due to PT, because points is a little too murky of a stat.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 21, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Correction

I had no idea how many players had made a leap this year.
I guess I’m going to have to file Corey under “Most Shockingly Improved Player”.

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 21, 2010 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

Give Kahn credit

for picking up the option on Brewer’s contract. Brewer made the decision easier by having a good camp, but the opinions on CH were about 50-50 on if he should be extended.
Can you imagine the Kahn bashing that would be going on right now if CB could be a free agent at the end of the season!

by Rumblebee on Jan 21, 2010 10:41 PM CST reply actions  

Indeed

It’s looking like a very good call. Kahn is to be commended.

by John Doe on Jan 22, 2010 2:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I submitted a similar question to KH during the game chat...

..but it was never posted. I noted that he had made several decisions that have panned out pretty well (citing the Brewer option as an example), and I questioned what decisions he had made that, so far, hadn’t proved to his liking.

by Boss10 on Jan 22, 2010 2:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Not me

I advocated not picking up the option, and frankly, i still think that was the right move. Now, if Brewer keeps getting better each month, I’ll have been proven wrong, but I still value the flexibility more than I value having Brewer guaranteed on the roster next year.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 22, 2010 7:18 AM CST up reply actions  

When I wrote this I was curious

if people were still concerned about the option for next year. Fair enough.

by Rumblebee on Jan 22, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm still a little concerned...

he hasn’t done enough yet to convince me that he can be a consistent shooter. He doesn’t have to be consistently great, but consistently decent. His open threes have to either go in or almost go in. Almost no NBA players airball or brick wide-open threes. Brewer, at least up until recently, has done that a lot.

I love the guy’s work ethic and defensive attitude — but early this year, I pretty much gave up on him as a player. It’d be awesome if he turned the corner just in time.

by Andy G on Jan 22, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Makes what's happening now exciting, right?

Maybe he’s this year’s January Foye. What I like is that his scoring is up while his attempts are down (at least I can’t remember the last time I saw that he attempted 20+ shots in a game.) Perusing 82games’ numbers on him, one really interesting stat that jumps out (found in the on/off court section at the bottom) is per 48 minutes the foul significantly less with Brewer on the floor than when he’s out. I’m not going to read too much into that yet, but it’s interesting (opposing teams attempt 6 more FTs per game when he’s off the court – extrapolated of course).

Here’s what I like so far about Brewer’s evolving game: if we look by month (Oct/Nov, Dec, and Jan), his efg% has gone from .395 to .480 to .500. His FT shooting is terrible (around .650), and if gets that up around .800 that’s worth almost another ppg. Speaking of points per stats, his points per min has improved each month (.370 to .420 to .457 ppm), as well as his points per attempt (.760 to .897 to .925 ppa). All of this is done without too much fluctuation in FGA per game (12.4 to 10.75 to 12.7 – OK, so a little fluctation, but it’s not like he’s suddenly taking 15 shots a game and that’s where the increase in scoring is coming from). The biggest difference is that he’s flat out making more shots, both from 2 and from 3pt land. He needs to improve his FT shooting, but he’s starting to look more and more solid offensively, and dare I say is he becoming more and more efficient offensively too? It’s still too soon to know for sure, but the trends are in the right direction.

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by biggity2bit on Jan 22, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Good analysis...

…might it be attributed to gaining confidence? It’s plain to see that he is an emotional player, which leads me to think he is prone to streaks. Perhaps he has been spending time with a shrink… or Shrink himself.

by Boss10 on Jan 22, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t get the massive dip in FT accuracy. He was pretty damn good during his rookie year on a decent amount of attempts, and IIRC he wasn’t bad last year either.

I do really hope he keeps up this relatively efficient scoring trend. If so, he’ll be perfect in that perimeter junk point/off the ball scoring role that you want next to a more talented offensive player. In other words, if he can do this consistently, he’d look great next to a guy like Evan Turner. In that role he’d have to do less creating and a whole lot more finishing, something that would suit him perfectly.

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by Xand1 on Jan 22, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Landing Turner would be so awesome

In a Western Conference stacked with Kevin Durant, Tyreke Evans, and Rudy Gay/Memphis, having a Brewer/Turner combo would be killer – especially if they’re led by a certain Senor Pistola. I think Durant, Evans, and Roy are the future of this conference and instead of getting killed by them we might actually match up well. Good for us.

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by biggity2bit on Jan 22, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously

Running out Rubio at 6’ 5’’, Turner at 6’ 7’ and Brewer at 6’ 9’’ would be awesome. Brewer would have a bit of trouble with bigger wings but he should be able to cause them problems at the other end running around getting passes from Rubio.

That’s a big backcourt to complement a smaller front court with Love and Jefferson.

I think that team could be competitive in the West.

by littleboxes on Jan 22, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Get it done. Even with no FA moves, I love that team. Throw in a decent defensive big like Brendan Haywood and I think that’s a very fun, competitive team.

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by Xand1 on Jan 22, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been saying it for almost two years now..

….Gay + Turner on the wing plus an athletic backup big (or Cole Aldrich) = teh bomb. Adding Rubio into that mix just makes it crazier. That’s an entire wing contingent with extreme length. Here’s a name to keep tabs on:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Hassan-Whiteside-5660/

His Hoopus Score is 18.4 right now. He has the #1 block rate in the NCAA:

http://www.kenpom.com/team.php?team=Marshall

He also has a top 25 oreb mark while getting to the line and drawing fouls at a great clip. Oh, he also is reported to have a 7’6" wingspan with upper-level hops.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 22, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Sold!

Something that surprised me that I just, apparently Favors has a 9ft+ wingspan? That’s incredible. I don’t remember where I saw it unfortunately. I also saw that he has a standing reach of 9’1’’ so that might be a bit off… Who knows. Either way, if he has a 9ft wingspan, I will take him at 2.

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Ooh! An opportunity to talk about Manute Bol!

Bol holds the all-time record for the longest wingspan at 8’6", eight inches longer than the next closest, Gheorge Muresan. Basically, he was the tallest player in history and had arms that were way too long for his body.

So no, Favors does not have a 9 foot wingspan. Whoever said that was thinking of his standing reach.

by John Doe on Jan 22, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Good lord, that is ridiculous!

Interesting stuff JD.

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by Xand1 on Jan 22, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

after I wrote that I did some research. And every site I found that said that (and there were many) were not very reliable. I looked at a more reliable site and found more about a standing reach of over 9ft and that seemed a little more realistic when thinking about how unlikely that is.

by Mplax on Jan 23, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting thing about that is that it would put him in line with Al size wise. IIRC Al is about 6’9.5 but with something like a 7’2 wingspan and a 9’2 standing reach. Probably not the answer to our C issue, but nice specs for a PF, at least. If he were just a few inches taller he could be that Camby type player we need..

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by Xand1 on Jan 23, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Whiteside is an interesting prospect...

… he’s been compared to Marcus Camby, who’s exactly the kind of long, defensive game changer we need. I’m hoping we give Whiteside a long look if he’s available when we draft with Charlotte’s pick.

by Shogun on Jan 22, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I noticed that exact same thing about the on/off court fouls

I think it’s pretty significant to the point where we can credit him with that. He plays with a ton of different lineups, so it’s not like it’s just because he is playing with Big Al (who I bet also has a decent number?) all the time. I think part of it can be attributed to his well-timed blocks, in that he doesn’t often botch the timing and make a bad foul (especially after a made shot).
Free throws really are strange. Him and Sessions bringing their FT% back to even their averages would help this team with an average of 2 more ppg.

Rec’d

by Mplax on Jan 22, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm skeptical too

It’s hard to envision a guy that has put up such horrible misses to suddenly turn into a consistent threat offensively. I think January is his peak performance month and what we’ll see the rest of the season will be 40 -45% from the field and 25-30% from 3. That’s certainly better than his rookie year, but it’s still not very good. If indeed his January pace becomes his “new normal”, then I tip my cap to Kevin McHale and Freddy Hoiberg.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 22, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Raises a good question

What’s the over/under efg% we need out of Brewer for his offense to not kill his defense? Assuming he takes slightly more than 12 shots a game (what he’s doing now), and two of those are threes (also what he’s doing now), at the percentages you suggest above his efg% would be around .460. Is this effective enough offense?

Looking at bball-ref’s player season finder, depending on the sorting criteria there’s some pretty darn good players who had an efg% of less than .460 and took between 12-15 shots a game. It’s interesting, though, that there haven’t been hardly any in the last ten years.

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by biggity2bit on Jan 22, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Player seasons in the last ten years:
Chauncey, CP3, good Ben Wallace, and Jason Kidd in the top 40. Suggests that the opportunities’ there for Brewer to be quite effective at his current level of offensive production assuming he can become very proficient at defense and perhaps one other skill (steals, rebounding, what have you). Right? What am I missing? :)

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by biggity2bit on Jan 22, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Outliers

Those four are phenomenal at other aspects of the game. Brewer shows potential defensively, but he’s a long ways from being considered a lockdown defender and will never be as good as any of those four.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 22, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Check out these comps

I think these are better examples.

I think out of those four guys, the best comp for Brewer going forward may be, in a twist of weirdness, Malik Sealy. Sealy was a better three point and free throw shooter, but Brewer could become a better defender and driver. Thoughts?

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by biggity2bit on Jan 22, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Look at the per 36 minutes comps.

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by biggity2bit on Jan 22, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry I keep posting to my own comments, but it’s just weird. If Brewer can be just a bit better at drawing and making FTs, and continues with the same usage rate going forward, Malik Sealy is a fantastic comp for him.

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by biggity2bit on Jan 22, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

What I find from those stats

is that it’s almost impossible to be a wing who shoots with such a low eFG% and be allowed to take more than 12 shots per game. Most of those guys are PGs dishing out a bunch of assists or big rebounders. If you expand beyond 15 shots a game, you’ll see a lot of go-to high volume scorers. But this turf you’re carving out for Brewer is an odd niche.

by dropstep on Jan 22, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

good point

Reinforces for me why I think it’s imperative that either his 3pt shooting improve or his ability to draw fouls (and make FTs) improves.

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by biggity2bit on Jan 22, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

A standing three-point shot shouldn’t be so hard to develop. It takes almost no athletic ability, and literally one drill (shooting with a rebounder/passer to feed him) to to hone the skill. He should be doing this for an hour every day.

Rambis referenced some fundamental error(s) in Brew’s shot when he took over. If they worked those out, the practice should start to pay off. Let’s hope so.

by Andy G on Jan 22, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Brewer's offensive ability won't matter...

… if Kahn accumulates the right talent. His value lies in his defense, competitiveness, and unique ability to get to loose balls. A functional jump shot would just be gravy.

by Shogun on Jan 22, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

depends who you think has higher upside: Gomes, Brewer, or Sessions - at least "moved"

would love to see them get rid of hollins contract …..

I “get the impression” that Rambis advocated for Pavlovic and Hollins. If that is correct, and I was Khan, I’d put "less weight on Rambis’s talent evaluation.

by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 22, 2010 8:19 AM CST reply actions  

interesting theory

Definitely true with Pavs as I remember reading that Rambis was high on him. 4 months ago that opinion was not insane, it is is definitely insane now. Hollins, hmmm.

Hollins was not a bad signing, ex ante. Bottom line is that tall athletic dudes get overpaid and Hollings is a relatively underpaid overpaid big man (wrap your head around that one!). In a league where Desanga Diop plays about 10 minutes a game and rakes in millions, taking a flyer on Hollins is not a bad idea. It isn’t currently working out but gotta take chances when you are the Twolves and it is still possible that Hollins becomes functional, possibly a fourth big man.

by littleboxes on Jan 22, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Diop effectively "clogs the middle", and can "catch the ball" - Hollins "not so much".

So far, Hollins might be the worst big man “I’ve ever seen”. He can jump, but doesn’t even use that effectively.

I hadn’t seen Hollins, at all, till this season, so I assumed Kahn/Rambis knew what they were doing. So far, giving this guy a 3 year contract is a disaster.

He is supposed to provide weak side shot blocking, but I can count the number of times I’ve seen it on one hand. He literally can’t catch the ball, when tossed to him, on rebounds or anywhere, an adjust plus minus of “minus 16.71” is awful. He is 3rd from “THE BOTTOM” in the league.

On the bright side, you could say, he’s so bad that he has nowhere to go but up, Right?

by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 22, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he and Jawai are going to be fused somehow

into a big athletic center who clogs the lane and (potentially) blocks shots and flushes lobs

by aarendsvark on Jan 22, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He's better offensively than Collins

but KLJ is right – he is a disaster thus far, or as KLJ would put it, “a disaster”. I’d feel better about it if he was a 20-year old rookie with only a year or two of college under his belt, but we’re talking about a 4-year player at UCLA that is now in his 4th season in the pros. How much upside can we realistically expect at this point? I think Kahn took a good swing on Hollins because he is the exact type of physical profile we need, but in the end it’s a big miss.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 22, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

2nd

No one can be blamed for that, even looking at his performance in the playoffs suggest he was worth a flier but disappointment is for damn sure. At least he is cheap?

by TheMorningAfter on Jan 22, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah. When you consider the context of the signing when it was made, it wasn’t a fundamentally bad move. You can argue that it hasn’t paid off, but it didn’t break the bank. We shouldn’t be too quick to criticize our POBO for identifying a weakness on the team and going after a young, cheap player with some potential on the off chance he helps fill that need. McHale would never have made a move like that.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Jan 22, 2010 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

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