Draft Update
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2010 7:10 AM CST
Email
PrintI've updated the Hoopus Scores for our draft board. The results are below the fold.
Before we get started, here's our first 2010 draft board:
- Charles Garcia: 24.134
- Jarvis Varnado (UPDATE: added to the list from the comments): 24.04
- Evan Turner: 23.3
- Artsiom Parakhouski (UPDATE:added to the list from the comments): 22.478
- A.F. Aminu (weighted as a wing): 22.3
- DeMarcus Cousins: 22.267
- Ed Davis: 22.2
- A.F. Aminu (weighted as a big): 20.814
- John Wall: 20.6357
- Larry Sanders: 20.2
- Willie Warren: 19.578
- Cole Aldrich: 19.1928
- Jeffrey Taylor (UPDATE: added to the list from the comments): 19.114
- Greg Monroe: 18.585
- Derrick Favors: 18.1607
- Wes Johnson: 17.428
- Xavier Henry (weighted as a wing): 17.271
- Lance Stephenson: 17.04
- Xavier Henry (weighted as a guard): 16.85
- Devin Ebanks: 16.5
And here's our first "this is who we'd draft with the top pick if we were in charge" list:
- John Wall
- John Wall
- John Wall
- John Wall
- Evan Turner
- A.F. Aminu (if he can play the 3)
- Cole Aldrich
- Larry Sanders
- Xavier Henry
- Wes Johnson
OK, here's the updated Hoopus Score list:
- Charles Garcia- 24.9
- Jarvis Varnado- 23.836
- DeMarcus Cousins- 23.019
- AJ Ogilvy- 22.764
- Evan Turner (guard)- 22.486
- A. Parakhonski- 22.15
- A.F. Aminu- 21.6
- Evan Turner (wing)- 21.321
- Jeffrey Taylor- 21.042
- Ed Davis- 21.035
- Cole Aldrich- 20.257
- Greg Monroe- 19.632
- John Wall- 19.515
- Willie Warren- 19.057
- Larry Sanders- 18.746
- Hassan Whiteside- 18.607
- Ekpe Udoh- 17.785
- Wes Johnson- 17.528
- Derrick Favors- 17.085
- Xavier Henry (wing)- 17.014
- Xavier Henry (guard)- 16.636
- Devin Ebanks- 15.928
- Stanley Robinson- 14.9
- Lance Stephenson- 14.686
Here is the list broken down by positions:
Bigs:
- Jarvis Varnado- 23.836
- DeMarcus Cousins- 23.019
- AJ Ogilvy- 22.764
- A. Parakhonski- 22.15
- Ed Davis- 21.035
- Cole Aldrich- 20.257
- Greg Monroe- 19.632
- Larry Sanders- 18.746
- Hassan Whiteside- 18.607
- Ekpe Udoh- 17.785
- Derrick Favors- 17.085
Guards:
- Evan Turner (guard)- 22.486
- John Wall- 19.515
- Willie Warren- 19.057
- Xavier Henry (guard)- 16.636
- Lance Stephenson- 14.686
Wings:
- Charles Garcia- 24.9
- A.F. Aminu- 21.6
- Evan Turner (wing)- 21.321
- Jeffrey Taylor- 21.042
- Wes Johnson- 17.528
- Xavier Henry (wing)- 17.014
- Devin Ebanks- 15.928
- Stanley Robinson- 14.9
A few things:
Lance Stephenson is dropping like a rock. I had high hopes for him after the first few games of the season. He's built like a brick and can get his shot off in the lane. It also looked like he had above average court vision. Of course, the all-time leading scorer in NYCHS history had a hard time finding a college so that probably tells you a bit about the behind-the-scenes action with the young guy.
I was really hoping that this draft would have a bunch of quality wing players for the Wolves to choose from with their 2nd 1st rounder. It's looking more and more like there may be only 1 or 2 wings worth taking in the first round. Keep your eye on Jeffrey Taylor of Vanderbilt. His team is undefeated in conference play and he's shown great improvement in his game this season.
I have no idea what to do with Charles Garcia. I also have no idea what to do with guys who put up FT rates (updated to read "rates", not "%") over 80%. Varnado and Garcia put up silly free throw numbers that really inflate their scores. This will be something to keep in mind when we make our final list.
John Wall, John Wall, John Wall. He's putting up some silly numbers as a freshman point on the #1 (maybe lower after SC) team in the land. I can't say enough good things about the guy and if he maintains his high level of play through his entire conference schedule he will be all that more impressive. That being said, I'm not so sure he's the consensus #1 pick in this draft. He may be in terms of value, but in terms of BPA I think Evan Turner is making a strong case that he is the best college player in the land. Of course, now that the Wolves are loaded with point guards, this is the year where they will hit the jackpot in the lottery. It's a good problem to have and here's hoping the Wolves have a chance to address it.
In terms of shot-blocking reserve bigs, this draft could have some interesting names: Varnado, Larry Sanders, Hassan Whiteside, and Ekpe Udoh. If I were picking right now I would have to roll with Sanders but Whiteside is an interesting prospect. The guy has scary length and hops and he's #2 in the NCAA in block%.
DeMarcus Cousins is becoming harder and harder to ignore.
Here's who I would rank for the top pick if I were running the Wolves:
- John Wall
- John Wall
- John Wall
- John Wall
- Evan Turner
- Evan Turner
- Evan Turner
- DeMarcus Cousins
- A.F. Aminu
- Cole Aldrich
- Greg Monroe
- Jeffrey Taylor
That about does it for this update. What say you?
92 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
SnP on Cousins
Question…so if the Wolves have 3rd or 4th pick, and we still have Pekovic, Love, and Jefferson…would you still want us to take Cousins?
He's not very good?
Or at least not as good as his number show.
And by numbers...
I don’t mean his hoopus score ;-)
Does Hoopus Score take age into account?
I know Hollinger’s system does. That would hurt Johnson’s score a lot, since he’s 22.
What?
And here I thought you had perfected a one-stat-to-rule-them-all! Get to work SnP! ;-)
if i had someone...
…To collect and enter the data, I’d know exactly what to do with the score. Right now, we’re going 1/2 ass with it ;)
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well lucky for you
I know this guy named “The Internet” that’s really good at collecting data ;-)
off subject, but...
Just reading the Strib (don’t ask me why), but saw these two bothersome quotes…
• The Wolves concentrated on defense during a 90-minute practice Thursday. “Our rotations have been all messed up,” Brewer said, and poor communication is at the root of it. Added Kevin Love, “Sometimes out there it’s like a ghost town — we’re not talking.”
• Rambis said he is considering another lineup change Friday against the Clippers — perhaps making Love a starter again after two games off the bench — but hasn’t decided. “We’re having too big a slide in our second unit,” Rambis said. “I’ve got to find a way to bolster that but not take away from the first unit.”
1) this first quote really speaks to the lack of chemistry and lack of leadership on this squad…we shouldn’t be having communication issues in late Jan. This roster needs a shakeup and a veteran presence in a huge way.
2) Why does Rambus care about our second unit? Hello? Most of the guys on our bench are not even NBA quality players. You’re not going to overcome that with line-up changes. Focus on improving the guys that have a chance to make this team better!
I would probably add a few more John Wall’s and Evan Turner’s to the list. This REALLY seems like a two-player draft, and then everybody else. In other words, a Shaq-caliber #1, a Mourning-caliber #2, then a Laettener-caliber #3. Why do I feel like that’s where we’ll pick?
I would bump Derrick Favors way up the list, though. In the little I’ve seen of him, his body and physical presence are impossible to ignore. I’d much rather have him than Cousins. I’d probably rather have him than Aldrich and Monroe, as well, even though I also like those guys. Favors has a lot of D12 in his game — in fact, he’s more skilled and only about 1" shorter, with equally insane hops. That type of potential is worthy of a very high draft pick. And with that type of rim protector, we could solve a lot of problems.
For some reason, and this could end up being way wrong, I think X Henry will be an impact scorer in the league. Something about the way he catches and shoots — he looks like a prolific scorer in the Glen Rice mold more than a “spot up shooter” like many role players. I wouldn’t take him over Wall, Turner or Favors, but depending on how Johnson finishes the year and what type of all-around game he shows, I might take Henry over him. Henry’s not as great of a pure athlete, but he looks like he could be a 20-25 ppg guy in the NBA with his size and skill.
The karma question about
getting the 3rd pick in a two-player draft: One factor in favor of the Wolves getting the first pick overall (and drafting Wall) is that it would create a potential roster of four PGs who could (in theory) start in the NBA. So we’ve got that working for us, which is good . . .
yeah...
if our biggest problem is, “What are we doing to do with Jonny Flynn, now that we have John Wall?” — I think Kahn will be able to sleep at night, just fine.
John Wall could be a Garnett-type of cornerstone. All of a sudden, the Jeffersons, Loves, Gomes’s and Brewers can fill the “roles” that would make a good team.
I'll write Simmons' headline for him
so he doesn’t have to:
CAN THE WOLVES REALLY DRAFT ANOTHER POINT GUARD??!!!
I think that would be his "Tweet"
In his column, he’d probably just make fun of David Kahn, but ultimately agree that Wall was the right pick and probably even concede that Rubio is a nice asset to have, at this point.
I just
spent wasted several minutes listening to what is usually an enjoyable podcast, but this time he and Mike Lombardi were chuckling about what an idiot Brad Childress is, and how the Vikings are stuck with him now because if his new contract extension. They didn’t have any examples of this alleged idiocy, or a suitable replacement who would be a likely improvement over the coach who is 22-10 in the last two regular seasons, two division championships, and should’ve/could’ve been in the Super Bowl this week, after stomping a Dallas team (which no pundit predicted), and outplaying a Saints team (which no pundit predicted).
Yeah...
just have to take it for what it’s worth, which is usually good entertainment and some funny cracks at whoever is the latest story in sports.
His NBA stuff can get more frustrating to read because he’s quickly becoming one of the main (probably THE main) voice on pro basketball, between his book and espn.com column. Casual fans surely base their opinions on The Sports Guy and he probably sways popular opinion in a big way.
There are enough NFL fans here and across the country to know that Chilly has been doing a good job. (Even if his handling of that last drive, once we reached field goal range, was awful and had the look of a choker….who settles for a 50-yard field goal when the other team can’t stop you and you have timeouts to spare?…as Simmons would say, I’m now going to light myself on fire.)
“I mean, this team’s pg contingent is more crowded than Manute Bol’s legs in a Geo Metro!”
I felt like there should be a stripper reference in there as well, but I’ve exhausted my reserves of stripper references over at the G-Gilf Yearly message board.
Rick Reilly
would say, “Watching David Kahn draft for the Wolves is more painful than a root canal!”
And then he would get a check for one million dollars.
Perfect World Scenario
1st Pick: Wall or Turner (Obviously)
13th Pick (Charlotte): Xavier Henry. He’s currently 11th, and dropping, on Draft Express and Chad Ford’s board
23rd Pick (Utah): Greg Monroe. He’s currently 23rd on both Draft Express and Chad Ford’s board.
32nd pick: Jarvis Varnado. Currently 29th on Draft Express board and 32nd on Chad Ford’s board
45th Pick: Ricky Rubio’s Mom (Any extra incentive helps)
46th Pick: Ricky Rubio’s Grandmother (See Above)
The shock I had when we got Rubio at #5...
would be tripled if we got Wall, Henry and Monroe without any trades.
Uhhh . . . yeah . . .
we’ve covered this already?
What do you people have, like, jobs? Families? Schoolwork? Outside interests? Friends?
PRIORITIES, PEOPLE!!!!!
by PoorDick on Jan 29, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course nobody paid attention
You posted it.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 29, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
46th pick would be replaced with the rights to Ricky’s teammate Bonerface Dong. You enjoy the same ability to pass-through money to RR, while getting to see David Stern say Bonerface Dong.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
actually
we would only get to hear the deputy commissioner utter those words.
by littleboxes on Jan 29, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
The 32nd pick goes to OKC...
They have 2 that go to them (including that one) but they have at least 2 and maybe 3 other ones (Phoenix, Houston, Dallas).
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jan 29, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
For reasons almost completely unrelated to the actual post topic
This entire thread is all kinds of awesome.
For the record
I hit the button that sends the comment into preview mode and hit the button that posts the comment right after each other. Since posts cannot be deleted (awful system, BTW), I figured I’d quit while I was ahead.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 29, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome...
…I was a 90% FT shooter the last year I played ball (yeah, high school… so what?). Maybe I could have made the hoopus draft board! In all reality, though, it’s a bit disturbing that your number one pick doesn’t even fall in the top ten of your metric.
there was a typo...
..with the ft stuff. it should have read “rate” not “%”. the change was made up top. this will look a bit different at the end of the year when we add in raw numbers and break it down by position. right now wall has a better number than rose through this part of his freshman season. it’s also just another tool to evaluate players; not something to be used exclusively.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
I find it hard
to pass on Wall if we get the first pick, but am tempted to take Turner with our pick after trading down to 2 if we can arrange it.
by nocturnalstinger on Jan 29, 2010 9:57 AM CST reply actions
C'mon--you have to add
my man the former four hundred pounds of funky fun Dexter Pittman. My guess is that he would be heavily weighted as a center.
Get it? Because he weighs a lot.
Here’s more if you don’t have the fifteen dollars it takes to get an ESPN Insider subscription, and if you order before January 31st to also get a $5 coupon toward any Amazon.com purchase:
Draft Projection: Mid to late first
Notes: Dropped over 70 pounds from when he first arrived at Texas as a freshman.
Positives:
Huge big man
Very strong
Good hands
Solid rebounder
Good finisher around the rim
Negatives:
Major conditioning issues
Not a great athlete
A foul magnet of epic proportions
No face-up game
Summary: Jan 5 Update: The big fella from Texas has been known more for his girth than his game. But this year, he’s been a huge part of Texas’ undefeated season and has won over a number of GMs hungry to find a center in the draft. Pittman moves unusually well for someone so big, shows a soft touch in the paint and has dramatically improved his shotblocking ability. While everyone acknowledges that he needs to get in better shape and continue to keep his weight off, in a draft devoid of legit big men, Pittman suddenly has a lot of interested suitors. He’s moved from 80 to 22 on the Big Board.
"A foul magnet of epic proportions"
I wouldn’t be surprised if you took a look at his profile and saw “Worst Case: Ryan Hollins if he ate Nathan Jawai.”
Heh heh
Here’s Hollins pre-draft evaluation:
Scouts Inc. Evaluation: Hollins is a perfect example of an underachiever. He had all the potential in the world when he arrived at UCLA as a freshman. He has size, length and can run. But he was labeled soft by most coaches and scouts, and he never showed up when the team really needed him.
He has good hands and scores most of his points on offensive put-backs and by running the floor. He had a very productive NCAA Tournament, helping lead UCLA to the championship game. But he doesn’t have much of a face-up game or much range on his jump shot. Hollins isn’t a big fan of contact or fighting for position in the post.
He has potential to be a pro if he has time to develop, but it will take a lot of work. He’s really a major project for a team to invest in, reminiscent a bit of Loren Woods of the Toronto Raptors. If Hollins gets drafted at all, he will go late in the second round.
And that of Jawai:
Positives: Big, athletic center with long arms. Already has an NBA body. Strong. Wide shoulders. Soft hands. Strong. Quick on his feet. Very mobile for a big guy. Does most of his damage inside, but also has a solid jump shot.
Negatives: Lacks experience. Needs to get in much better shape. His motor is inconsistent. Still relatively unknown by NBA scouts.
Summary: After watching him in a workout in Las Vegas — he looks like a legit prospect. His size and strength make him a dominant force in Australia, and it looks like it can translate to the pros. He looks like a poor man’s Elton Brand. He’s a likely mid to late first round pick.
Hollins had good hands?!?
Who knew!
Loren Woods was a decent predictor.
So why the hell aren't we seeing more Jawai!?
More Jawai, less Hollins please…..
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 29, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
I think Rambis has something against fat people. Hence the lack of playing time for Love and Jawai while Hollins and Pavs get major burn.
Worth noting
that Jawai was basically a 17/10 guy in the Australian League (no great recommendationm but still). It’s Euro style play where they don’t mind letting you "earn"it under the rim. Nate doesn’t mind getting physical – we should be using that.
Free Alando!
efficiency rates...
…weighted for position and possessions used. after the season i’ll weigh it against something like a win score filled with net stats.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
I'd still like to see an update for
Malcolm Lee of UCLA and David Lighty of Ohio. Both will score low undoubtedly, but I would like to see what they come out as for potential second rounders (if Lee drops that far, his upside is exactly what we should be looking for to send to th edleague).
Lighty is a tremendous defender and an energy guy that I wouldn’t mind as the 9th guy off the bench… or a starter in our current situation.
Lee’s upside is undeniable and he really has been a victim of playing time in the past 2 years. I’ll be watching his draft spot closely come draft night.
I don't know about Lee
I’ve made it a point to watch a few UCLA games recently, although I had almost completely shut off my normally high Pac10 viewing this year. The conference that gave up so many higly rated prospects and even high performing sleepers the past two drafts is amazingly barren. There is no one. and that seems to include Lee. I’ve really seen him bring nothing. For the first time I can remember there is no one draft worthy on UCLA as their blue chip recruiting classes of the past two years have really underacheived. In a year or two, watch for Tyler Honeycutt, who depending on how he grows will either be an Austin Daye or an Anthony Randolph type. Also, Reeves Nelson, who is playing center at 6’8" (maybe) and will basically become a version of Tyler Hansbrough that, amazingly, you don’t want to punch in the face. But Lee? Nope. Last night vs. Oregon Lee; 1-9 for 2 pt, 6 asst and 6 rebounds. Honeycutt: 13-10-3 with 3 stl and 2 blocks. The freshman Nelson 11-7 off the bench.
I was also interested in checking out Pac10 leading scorer Klay Thompson after his hot start. I thought he might be a good late 1st round sleeper as a deadeye outside shot. In the couple games I watched, he disappointed. I see that only Lee, Thompson and Poindexter are listed as Pac10 representatives in Ford’s top 50, with all of their current positions much lower than their predicted draft position (e.g. Lee as #43 but listed as mid to late first.
I'm still pretty high on him
and it really has nothing to do with stats. I was just curious how low his hoopus score would turn out. Apparently he is a lockdown defender already and only has more potential to grow. Did you notice anything on that end of the court? Also, 6/6 is not bad at all from a SG-type. He definitely has a long ways to go in terms of earning a spot on the court.
But I would absolutely LOVE to pick him up in the second round if he is around there. He has said he looks to declare this year because he is not getting much playing time at UCLA and he could possibly go in the first round based off of potential alone. He’s not getting any younger on the bench, it’s probably a good move. I picked both of these guys though more so for defense than anything else. I would love to have Lee over Lighty, but if we could pick up Lighty with one of our last picks (or sign him if he goes undrafted, no idea about his prospects though) I would be elated as well. Both tremendous defenders, but draftexpress said Lee had all the potential in the world to be a lockdown defender at the next level and he is already way above average.
Could be that he's a lockdown defender
but it’s going to be hard to find evidence of that now. I watched some of the early bad UCLA games when the defense was so bad that Howland had to do what was unthinkable for him, switch to the zone. Now I think they play zone full time. Lee seems capable but you’d never pick him out on the court as being special on offense, and on defense he was good, but probably the only one on the team, which is very unathletic for some reason. So, it was hard to see any impact. Also, I see him listed at 6’4", and that seems accurate. If he was 6’6 he would stand out more on a team with a 6’8" center.
What is absolutely certain is that he’s not riding the pine there. He may be frustrated by losing, but he’s playing 35 mpg on a thin team.
Yeah I was making a stupid comment
based off of what I saw at the beginning of the year. Didn’t really look at how he had done since then in terms of playing time. But by 6/6 I meant rebounds and assists. That’s a pretty nice number from a SG. He’s listed as 6’5’’ on Draftexpress though. I don’t want him in the first round, as that would undoubtedly be way to high to take him, but I would love to get him (and David Lighty) in the second round and send them both to the DLeague to develop a little bit and use in injury relief type roles. A couple excerpts from draftexpress that I really like to see from a second-round prospect:
Offensively, Lee is at his best in an up-tempo setting, where his terrific athleticism really allows him to shine. He’s often the first one down the court, looking like an absolute jet with or without the ball, and regularly getting to the basket where he can make some very acrobatic plays. He’s an extremely fluid, explosive player, able to change directions on the fly and looking extremely quick and shifty in everything he does.
Defensively, Lee is an absolute menace, already being a shut-down stopper type, but showing even more potential as he continues to grow into his frame. He possesses superb lateral quickness, being capable of getting right in his matchup’s face and sticking with him for long stretches, while showing great intensity in the process. He gets in the passing lanes on a regular basis, and will even come up with an occasional blocked shot. Lee’s willingness to defend, coupled with the frenetic energy he brings to the floor will surely endear him to NBA decision makers, as he’s capable of guarding multiple positions already and still has room to improve down the road.
Oops
completely misunderstood the 6/6 reference. Sorry about that. It is possible that his athleticism has not come across in the painfully slow Howland-esque half court games I’ve seen. I’m sure I’ll watch a couple more Bruin games and look for signs of life (and defense), although they are going 100% zone right now.
Yeah thats too bad about the zone thing
unless of course it drops his draftstock low enough that we could pick up a Monta-like second rounder eventually. Ok well probably not that good, but I’d really like to pick him up around 35-45 and see what he turns in to. Even if he is just an Afflalo-type player I would still not mind him in the high to mid second round.
I’d love to hear what you think if you do see some more of his games (as I will not be able to find enough time to follow the Bruins). You should make a fanpost or just write it up as a comment in one of Oceanary’s weekly things.
i'll add them to the next list
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
Hi S&P - I have same question, what goes into your scoring method? especially for "non-bigs" As someone else pointed out in the review, your methodology seemed to be better for Bigs than wings/guards.
Below please find PER for Wings/Guards – PER is primarily an offensive stat, but its something we are all familiar with…I’m also NOT saying this is the right way to order these guys, there are clearly differences in age, physical attributes, defense etc.. but thought it made an interesting comparison.
Turner 32.7
Wes Johnson 27.0
Aminu 26.7 [is he really a SF?]
Jeffrey Taylor 25.4
Wall 24.4
Stanley Robinson 23.2 [is he really a SF?]
Henry 22.6
Ebanks 21.0
Warren 18.7
Lance Stephenson 16.6
A couple of others I hope S&P can evaluate? [they are all candidates for Charlotte or Utah picks.]
ELIAS HARRIS 26.8 – he’d be 3rd in PER.
QUINCY PONDEXTER – 30.2 – he’d be 2nd in PER
GORDON HAYWARD – 26.8 – he’s high in PER
NOTE: Can you please explain how your methodology differs from PER and other statistical methods we are familiar with?
Note: Charles Garcia is listed by Draftexpress as a 6’10 PF/C NOT a wing.
Canishoopus has a “draft link” [upper left hand side of the page] but your “draft updates” for this season, are not showing up when the link is pressed. Not sure if that is intentional or an oversight.
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 29, 2010 10:58 AM CST reply actions
S&P Maybe should have done a more direct comparison between your score and PER - what are differences?
These are your scores… PER’s to the right.
Guards:
Evan Turner (guard) 22.486 ; PER 32.7
John Wall 19.515 ; PER 24.4
Willie Warren 19.057 ; PER 18.7
Xavier Henry (guard) 16.636 ; PER 22.6
Lance Stephenson 14.686 ; PER 16.6
Wings:
A.F. Aminu 21.6 ; PER 26.7
Evan Turner (wing) 21.321 ; PER 32.7
Jeffrey Taylor 21.042 ; PER 25.4
Wes Johnson 17.528 ; PER 27.0
Xavier Henry (wing) 17.014; PER 22.6
Devin Ebanks 15.928; PER 21.0
Stanley Robinson 14.9; PER 23.2
Charles Garcia 24.9 [listed as PF/C ; 6’10" by draft express]
A couple of others I hope S&P can evaluate? [they are all candidates for Charlotte or Utah picks.]
ELIAS HARRIS 26.8 he’d be 3rd in PER.
QUINCY PONDEXTER 30.2; he’d be 2nd in PER
GORDON HAYWARD 26.8 ; he’s high in PER
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Jan 29, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Big 12 gettin' NO respect.....
What about the all time rebounder in big 12 history Damion James? What about the leading scorer currently in the big 12 James Anderson? How can their numbers not have them on your wings list? I am officially doubting your system…..
Because they aren't first round prospects
James is undersized and Anderson isn’t a spectacular shooter – neither appears to be the type of player that makes a big impact at the NBA level; good shooters and undersized power forwards are a dime a dozen.
whoa whoa whoa.....
Anderson is not a spectacular shooter???? EVERY time I watch him and I mean EVERY time teams try to stop him and they can’t. He is TORCHING Mizzou right now. 3 pointers. Drives, everything. Shooting is the one thing he does better than almost everybody in the nation. He is 6-6 all muscle too. Great size for a 2 guard. Trust me, he’ll be a 1st round pick. Maybe later in the 1st, but he will be rising. He is a scoring machine.
Jodie Meeks
was the leading scorer at Kentucky last year. I don’t think he was worth following (otherwise you could make a case for everybody in the draft) even though I was pretty high on him and he filled a need. This year I’d say it’s PFs and PGs who aren’t obviously worth taking a look at. Also, it’s not that they don’t make the list, it’s that he didn’t evaluate them. So it says nothing about the system, I don’t think.
That said, if SnP really has the time, it would be fun taking a look at those guys for sure.
yeah...
…i’ll add them next time around. i just took the 1st page of dx and any recommendations from the last post. no need to doubt the system simply because i didn’t add 2nd round projected picks. i’ll add them to the next list.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
I’m primarily going to be commenting on the draft when it comes to this site (because, well, I’m a big-time draft junkie), but the reason for signing up and posting was because I too want to know what goes into Hoopus score, since it seems to need a lot of tweaking. It’s not a bad thing, and it’s very normal when it comes to complicated stats.
One recommendation I’d have is only including quality opponents. I’ve found over the last two years that it greatly helps me more easily identify people who prey on soft schedules, and it would likely drop Garcia to the bottom, if not completely off your list – where he should be.
Also, I’m not a fan of Aminu, Monroe, or Taylor near the spots you have them – for various reasons which I can get into, but it’s not the purpose of the post.
Look forward to reading a whole new group of people’s takes on prospects (though it seems I see a lot of familiar faces)
by Casperkid23 on Jan 29, 2010 1:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Excellent Point
Adjusting for opponent quality would strengthen the analysis.
In addition, I would like to see Hoopus Score run for drafts much further back; does it have Duncan as a sure-fire prospect? How about Iverson? Webber? Shaq? I know that there was some kind of analysis from the past three to four years in an earlier post, but why not further back?
that sounf
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2010 11:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
that sounds like a lot of work
;)
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2010 11:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A large issue with any ranking
has to do with strength of schedule. I’d say it’s just too hard to ignore it. And it can probably be weeded out pretty easily by the eyes (like Garcia). One thing that seems more important is who they are going against in terms of defense. Who are they defending and who is defending them. Is the team a good defensive team all around? It’d be more impressive to see Wes Johnson go off for 18/5/4 against Evan Turner than to see him go 25/7/7 against Texas even though Texas is obviously rated higher. That is of course, if Turner is guarding Wes and vice versa…
Who ever said that Ryan Hollins
has good hands in his evaluation needs to be sent to the basement with only bread and water for a month. Don’t know what he saw in that one?
Or they need all of their fingers chopped off
so that they know how it really feels like to be Ryan Hollins.
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 29, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody remember...
… Ford’s blurb on Brewer leading up to the draft — how Danny Ainge knows offense and know better than to pass up on Brewer’s “vast offensive repertoire”? I think that was a direct quote. I immediately stopped taking him seriously.
vast offensive repertoire
To be fair, I’ve seen Brewer do more unique things on offense than maybe any other player.
Has anyone seen Hassan Whiteside play yet?
I haven’t seen him but i’ve been hearing about him more and more and he sounds exactly like what we need with Love and/or Jefferson.
by Bad News Wolves on Jan 30, 2010 10:48 AM CST reply actions
Haven't seen Whiteside...
… but from scouting reports he sounds like an ideal fit for the Wolves. A shot-blocking beast who can run the floor. If any Canis commenters have seen him, I’d love to get their takes.
I also think that in a future version of the triangle offense in which Love, Rubio, and Brewer play key roles, a key piece would be a tall shooter like a Gallinari or Bargnani. A guy like this could really add some scoring punch and cash in from the perimeter given the excellent ball movement we’d have. If Donatas Motiejunas is around when we use Charlotte’s pick, I hope Kahn gives him a long look. Likewise if Jan Vesely is around with our third first round pick, which right now would be around #23 (I think). The triangle would be so much more effective if Ellington weren’t our only real three point threat, and having a taller player who could shoot over the defense would be a nice bonus.
Mostly, though, I’m just praying we get John Wall.
I've seen motiejunas all over the place
On draft boards. Seen him in the top 5 and then in the top half of the round. If he was arond with one of our lower picks I would take a look at him. I wonder if rubios not coming over could hurt moteijunas’s stock this year.
by Bad News Wolves on Jan 30, 2010 4:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Canis Hoopus is straight T-Wolves straight from Minnesota.
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
Next Game
In Association With
Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sport
- Video: Boston works in a half-court football snap after winning the tip
- Judging the choices for the Eastern Conference All-Star team reserves
- Judging the choices for the Western Conference All-Star team reserves
- Jeremy Lin draws inspiration from Tim Tebow
- Stephen Jackson is already tired of Milwaukee
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
