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First of all, as a League Pass Broadband connoisseur, let me begin by saying that the Clippers may be at the bottom of the league, but they do have one of the very best broadcast teams in the NBA.  Ralph Lawler and Mike Smith are two of the very best and I cannot tell you how nice it is to listen to a game where the opposing announcers actually seem to have watched, absorbed, and learned from previous Wolves tilts.  Tonight's game was filled with level-headed analysis, fair praise, and an accurate representation of what Our Beloved Puppies bring to the table.  J-Pete and Hanny are definitely in the upper echelon of NBA announcers, but Lawler and Smith are near the very top. (BTW: Speaking of J-Pete, he really has hit a stride since becoming a Lynx coach.  He's definitely found his voice and I think he could be one of the very best in the league in the next 2-3 years.) 

Before we move on, let's just mention a few stories that deserve some recognition.  First, the NBA has some thin skin. Second, Greg Oden had more surgery. Third, PacMan LSD has been released and it is virtual crack.     

As for the Wolves, there's really only one story here: Since Michael Beasley first came to this squad, we have long referred to his upside as "Melo-Lite".  In the past few tilts the "lite" side of this equation has been completely removed.  Folks, Mike Beasley is playing at the Full Melo.  The entire package is there: height, athleticism, long range one-step jumpers, left and right hand, etc.  He's still a little too left dominated, but Mike Beasley's offensive game is on a level Wolves fans simply haven't seen in the history of the franchise.  During the game I Tweeted that Beasley is playing like D-Rose was the wrong pick and I stand by that.  He's simply playing on a level we haven't seen in Minny since...well, on the offensive side of the ball, forever.  

Joining together our two topics of Clips announcers and Mike Beasley, sometime during the 2nd quarter, the Clips guys started to play a game where they joked about how many 2nd round picks they would be willing to give up for the services of B-Easy.  I think they ended on 5 or 6.  They also mentioned that they think the acquisition of Beasley was the best Wolves front office move since KG.  Now, we're all about large sample sizes here at Hoopus and we have made no bones about our belief that David Kahn doesn't exactly know what he is doing, but it is becoming quite clear that Kahn made a very good move with Beasley and that he is quickly becoming one of the best values in the league.  Seriously, and with no caveat.  Congratulations to David Kahn and we hope Beasley's game continues to develop....as well as him maintaining the absurd percentage from 16-23 feet.  

Random thoughts:

 

  • This was Darko's best game of the year.  He played lock-down defense on Griffin during a long stretch of the 2nd half and he actually dunked the basketball.  His dunk was so unexpected that it caused the entire audience and Wolves bench to stop and take notice. 
  • Blake Griffin is a horrifyingly good player.  I have family in Edmond, OK and I have followed him for a while, but it is still amazing to see him at the highest level looking like a guy who is more athletic than anyone else. 
  • Speaking of being physically superior, the Lynx's first round pick of the future (Maya Moore) squared off against Britney Griner's Baylor squad last night.  If you want to like women's basketball, yesterday's game was your entry drug.  If you want to know what a women's Wilt Chamberlain looks like , pay attention to Ms. Griner. 
  • Bassy. Bassy, Bassy, and Bassy. 
  • Michael Beasley's game clinching shot came against Ryan Gomes.  The Webster/Gomes trade will deserve some additional analysis as the year plays on, but I was expecting some more burn from Gomes tonight. 
  • Blake Griffin is like the best parts of Love plus a 36 inch vertical and a mean streak. 
  • Craig Smith tried a 3 pointer.  Yes please. 
  • I know the Clips are trying to put together the 2008 Wolves, but a Collins brother is a tad too much. Kind of creepy. 
  • Wes Johnson disappeared for the night. 
  • Did I mention that Darko played some silly defense? 
Well folks, that about does it for initial impressions.  Next up: the Lakers. What say you about tonight's tilt? 

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Beas was one of the best 16-23' shooters his rookie year

And he’s been attacking the rim enough that I’m pretty content with his shot selection. I don’t think he’ll keep shooting THIS well from range all year, but by the time he comes down to earth a bit, Wes should be picking it up and Webster and Jonny should be ready to play again

As for Darko, I was hoping he’d get some burn on Griffin, and it sounds like it worked. Say what you want about his shooting, the guy can move the ball and defend, which makes him ideal for us at this stage of the game

by Oceanary on Nov 17, 2010 10:38 PM CST reply actions  

And I really feel for Oden

It’s a bad situation for him (and one that, honestly, was pretty easily predicted based on his pre-draft medical reports) but he’s a good kid and a potentially great player when healthy. I don’t know if anyone can get over 2 microfracture surgeries in 3 years, but if anyone will, I hope it’s him

by Oceanary on Nov 17, 2010 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Sucks. So. Much.

Oden was such a monster at Ohio State. I never thought twice about picking him first – even with the injuries, even with Durant’s ridiculous Everything. A big guy with that touch and that agility and that defense doesn’t grow on trees. It grows once every fifteen years. But he’s Sam Jackson in Unbreakable, clearly.

…that said, gets the Wolves closer to getting him on the cheap next year. I’d take the chance still.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Nov 17, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you see this excellent article in the NYT?

It ponders the possibilities of Portland drafting Durant instead of Roy… and Jordan instead of Bowie.

If somebody already posted a fanshot on this, I apologize.

by nextmove on Nov 18, 2010 6:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Oddly

that doesn’t mention Roy’s knee injury at all.

by zebano on Nov 18, 2010 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

It does.

You may have missed page two.

by nextmove on Nov 18, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd sign him, too.

Not to anything long term, of course, but spending our cap space on a 50% chance of a top 5 center is preferable to a 100% chance of mediocre role players.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Nov 18, 2010 1:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

You have been proven right thus far on Oden. I admit, it really was upsetting to read about yet another major surgery for the big man. I wish him well, hopefully it’s not the end.

Breaking down cognitive dissonance and group think since gasoline was cheap.

by Flagrant on Nov 18, 2010 2:51 AM CST up reply actions  

And yes, Blake Griffin

Scary good.

He reminds me a ton of Charles Barkley, and I think he’ll really push that 25-10-5 envelope the way Sir Charles did

by Oceanary on Nov 17, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

so I take it we didn't make Blake Griffin cry then?

Damnitallanyways. Not even one? Maybe someone just poked him in the eye and it started watering?

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 17, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

He probably cried after the game

when he realized he was still a member of the Clippers. The 1 and 11 Clippers.

by TimAllen on Nov 17, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

so I was right!

Take that Sterling.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 8:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Blake Griffin is scary good

He was on a mission last night to outdo Kevin Love. I’ve watch virtually all his games or the Clippers. He probably read and saw all the publicity Kevin is getting and he wanted to grab some for himself. And he did an excellent job of it.

Was kind of hoping his brother would have blown up with the Suns too, but no such luck.

Breaking down cognitive dissonance and group think since gasoline was cheap.

by Flagrant on Nov 18, 2010 2:55 AM CST up reply actions  

He is so fun to watch live

If not for some great D by Darko and Tolliver, he would’ve had 10 poster dunks last night. He is just

by jballer_13 on Nov 18, 2010 6:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Love was significantly more efficient

Stat lines are surprisingly similar, except that Love took fewer shots, to score 2 points less.

by timmuggs on Nov 18, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Darko Defense

3 more blocks? Keep it coming. A DUNK? Wish I coulda seen that…

"I haven't gotten back from the future yet." - Be-Easy

by sota on Nov 17, 2010 10:45 PM CST reply actions  

That was a sick nasty dunk from Darko. I was wearing my pistons darko jersey tonight..maybe I’ll have to start wearing that to every game.

by Skoaldybi on Nov 17, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

That....

along with the pre-game recipe

by midlife crisis on Nov 17, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

the dunk was so good it requires both adjectives: sick AND nasty.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 17, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Did he spin right or left?

Did Blake make the rookie mistake of letting Darko go to the only side he ever goes to, or has Darko been spinning left for three straight weeks in preparation for one totally unexpected, catastrophic, right-spinning dunk?

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Nov 18, 2010 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Err...

I will check NBA.com

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Nov 18, 2010 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

And he went

left.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Nov 18, 2010 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Um?

He was on the left block, back to the basket and spun baseline. He spun right.

It's a trick. Get an axe.

by CaliWolf on Nov 18, 2010 2:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Um yourself.

Spinning right IS going left. To go around the left side of your defender, you turn your body right, and vice versa. We describe directions by which side of your man you’re going around, and which hand you dribble and finish with. Darko spun right, as he always does, thereby going left, as he always does.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Nov 18, 2010 2:49 AM CST up reply actions  

when talking about a post player with their back to the basket

you describe their direction by which shoulder they turn to. He went right

"I haven't gotten back from the future yet." - Be-Easy

by sota on Nov 18, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

This has potential

to be the funniest debate I’ve ever seen on CH.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

LOUD NOISES!

Ah crap, Pek's tattoo just stole my soul.

by Bahlgren1 on Nov 18, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

haha play some post

at the gym, pretty common sense! no debate needed

"I haven't gotten back from the future yet." - Be-Easy

by sota on Nov 18, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

I’m skipping this one.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Nov 18, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

either way...

he went to the side he always does

When you're rich you don't write checks...Straight Cash Homey!

by NuthinBurger on Nov 18, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

wow just watched the highlight on nba.com

sick nasty move by darko, didnt know he had it in him – beasley’s game winner was legit glad he has that in him- that three from butler was way to close. glad to have the W

"I haven't gotten back from the future yet." - Be-Easy

by sota on Nov 17, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Rookie initiation

Shaq did that exact thing to Love his rookie year. Young big men lean into players too much in the post a lot….puts them off balance if the guy with the ball makes a sudden move

Props to Darko for recognizing the mistake. And for attacking the basket.

by Oceanary on Nov 17, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

He's done that spin move before this season

but he gets stuck under the rim and weakly flips it up on the other side. Perhaps Darko has turned a corner (pun intended)!

by Rascal Flatts on Nov 17, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Darko used to have *some* confidence.

With Detroit

One that didn’t count over ’Zo Mourning.

Before he hit New York’s doghouse, he had this steal and full-court jam.

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I've seen these clips a million times

They are seemingly his only other dunks in a 7-year career…..

by Rascal Flatts on Nov 18, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Wolves-related

but Chris Bosh’s quote, “[Spoelstra] wants us to work, we want to chill, I hope he meets us halfway” is pretty telling of the Heat’s struggles so far. I guarantee that Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant do not want to “chill”.

by TimAllen on Nov 17, 2010 10:46 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Wow

Did he really say that? Link please.

by Mano on Nov 17, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

here.

I really don’t like Chris Bosh.

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by PoorDick on Nov 17, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

You think Miami fans would want Beasley instead of Bosh?

They’d have to pry him from our cold, dead fingers (to quote TEP)

by Mano on Nov 17, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

It's nice to know I have a little staying power.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

C'mon, give Chuck Heston his due:

Guy coined the genre, waving a friggin’ musket.

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

for the record I specifically was quoted

But completely agree that I didn’t make up “cold dead fingers” as I am pretty sure I picked that up from either hearsay or directly from a movie.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

You have to wave the firearm, Good Professor.

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I need a moving pic for that.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Miami Fans

I followed Beasley from Miami to Minnesota…the majority of Miami fans showed little patience with the kid and indeed mocked him mercilessly…the team and coaching staff even less….only UD and Zo showed any class in this respect and tried to mentor Beas. I’m very certain that I’ve made the right decision in following him to Minnesota and supporting a team that are trying to construct something from the roots up rather than buy immediate success.
If Beasley is given responsibility and the pressure is off as regards “misses” he will be huge for Minnesota. Every shot that didn’t drop in Miami was greeted by groans, moans, cat-calls and ridiculously over the top press. He was 18!!!….he needed nurturing and time “on court”….he needs to feel that he’s wanted……he’s found a good home with the Wolves.
Let’s not forget….he’s still only 21…..right now he’s blisteringly hot…..long may it continue

by Kevin Farmer on Nov 18, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey

I followed Beasley from Miami too. I really wanted him to stay there but I guess the problem was because Beasley was a monster on offense in college and the lack luster performance he had in Miami was getting the fans to like him less. What some fans failed to understand is that Beasley is a scorer and he doesn’t do much off the ball. He should be used in isolation plays where he handles the ball and creates his shot. And that is pretty darn IMPOSSIBLE given who Beasley had to play with. He had the leagues best scorer in the wing his rookie year and his offensive potential wasn’t unleashed to the fullest. As much as I wanted Beasley to stay in Miami though, I understood that Beasley must become the team’s best scorer in order for him to satisfy. Enter the trade to a team that needed an Alpha WOLF. I’m glad he was traded here.

I'll do it myself!

by (o.O) on Nov 18, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

congrats on the first use of the new term

considering we just recently changed it, quick typing.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah. Bit of a fail though.

Should’ve done it like this: Alpha Dog WOLF

I'll do it myself!

by (o.O) on Nov 19, 2010 5:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey (o.O)

Great to hear of a kindred spirit (?). I understand what you say about the players that Beasley had to “play with” in Miami….but that wasn’t of his making…..what I understood at the time was that they had drafted the overall #2 pick….a monster of a player….. What they needed to do was play him…for better or worse….and see what developed. Unfortunately he wasn’t given time….he certainly wasn’t given any court time and if you treat an individual such as Michael this way you will reap what you sow. All of his contemporaries Love, Mayo, Rose, Lopez etc etc were playing big minutes…and yes you could argue they didn’t have a Wade to defer to but Beasley was deferring to a “spent” O’Neal too….a crazy situation and you could tell that they were planning to off-load him from way out. I’m just so happy he’s been freed up and is playing such good basketball at the moment…..and I’m glad the likes of me and you had faith in the kid and didn’t perceive him as many others did….a bust. Enjoy the season friend.

by Kevin Farmer on Nov 19, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to think of myself as a "convert"

I never really liked the Wolves before. I thought that they had a real problem with the players they had and it seemed like it’d be hard for them to turn the team around. I mean, the Al Jeff-Love dilemma, the Rubio issue and KAHN! And then summer started and I was really excited for my Heat. But I was worried about Beas. Then I heard about the trade and then it dawned on me. This is the PERFECT team for Beasley to be in so he could show just WHY he was picked #2 in the draft. He’d be Top Dog WOLF almost from the get go. Which then spurred my interests to the Wolves. And then there was the drafting of Wes Johnson who I had a HUGE man-crush on in college. Boom baby, I’m a Timberwolves fan. Here’s to good season for Beasley fans and Wolves fans alike.

I'll do it myself!

by (o.O) on Nov 20, 2010 4:45 AM CST up reply actions  

In all fairness, Bosh went out and dropped 35 on the Suns tonight.

In further fairness, ummmmmm…it was against that vaunted Phoenix “D”.

by SoDakHmr on Nov 17, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

It wasn't really that impressive of a 35 points

after all, David Stearn called at halftime and let it be known that he wants someone who used to play for a Canadian team to get some recognition. Gotta build that fanbase, ya know?

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 17, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Article Updated 6/10/2004

Please stop. You aren’t funny, original, or informative. You are prolific and monotonic, a terrible and enormously annoying combination.

It's a trick. Get an axe.

by CaliWolf on Nov 18, 2010 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Did Beasley call for bassy at the end?

At around two minutes to go in the 4th when the Wolves were trying to hand away the game with their high post, cross court passing did Beasley walk to the bench and request Bassy? My seats are too far away to hear anything, Telfair wasn’t up until Beasy started walking that way.

by ZZwcck on Nov 17, 2010 10:49 PM CST reply actions  

Gomes tweet about that last play

“Damn that sucks, wish I would got that STOP on Defense. Next time I will. And I’ll get better can’t make shots either. More Practicing.”

by TimAllen on Nov 17, 2010 10:51 PM CST reply actions  

Gomes stayed in front of him

but then didn’t really get up and challenge the shot. The pull-up jumper baby – the bread and butter of game winning shots by superstar wings.

by Rascal Flatts on Nov 17, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Meanwhile

Gomes is currently 16-78 spanning last season and this season. Poor guy can’t get on a winner to save his life.

by TimAllen on Nov 17, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Gomes fault

He’s not a starter on a good team, but I think most teams in the league would be happy to have him. He’s one of many ex-wolves I hope find success.

by aarendsvark on Nov 17, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

He's soft

avoids contact, never gets to the line, not many rebounds, pure jump shooter. One of the nicest Wolves ever, but one of the least effective. I wish him well, but I’m glad he’s gone.

by Mano on Nov 18, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Gomes fouled him continuously for 12 feet

He had an extended hand on his chest for the entire drive. He’s a lot like Sam Mitchell and that’s not a good thing.

by Ailuridae on Nov 18, 2010 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Gomes barely touched him

Didn’t even raise a hand before the winng shot. Another Clipper came over to try and swat the ball, but since Beasley is left handed, he wasn’t able to reach that far. Had he been right handed, the shot may have been tipped. But Gomes was nowhere in sight on D. He had his hand on beezes stomache, but when Beez jumped, Gomes was flat footed, didn’t leave the floor, and waved his hands a little, but otherwise did not bother Beez at all. Just a sad attempt at D.

by Mano on Nov 18, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The only thing sad about it...

Is that that is exactly Gomes’ defensive game.

by Krotz the Wall on Nov 19, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

brutally honest

wow, almost makes me feel bad for the dude.

by juliancasablancas on Nov 18, 2010 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Prediction:

The Timberwolves will be the worst team to ever have two representatives in the All-Star game.

by LoveTo on Nov 17, 2010 10:56 PM CST reply actions  

That's....unlikely....

Lots of talent at the 3/4 in the west, and All Star voting heavily favors players from winning teams. I think like 6 players have been all stars from losing teams in the last 5 years, and 3 of them were David Stern substitutions for guys who were injured

by Oceanary on Nov 17, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I am probably wrong but...

Doesn’t voting only set the starting lineup?

by Timberwolf i.e. Albatross on Nov 17, 2010 11:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You're correct.

Coaches choose the back-ups.

by LoveTo on Nov 17, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Fan voting

Coaches vote for the reserves. They’re the ones that hammer on the winning record thing

by Oceanary on Nov 17, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't

Durant, Melo, Dirk, Gasol, Duncan. That’s 5 guaranteed all stars right there. That leaves, at best, one spot for Love and Beas to fight it out with the likes of Odom, Scola, Jefferson and Gay

Maybe if someone is hurt, one of them might make it. But just getting voted in will either take a miracle run by run in the win column or 40 points and 30-30s every night

by Oceanary on Nov 17, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

That leaves, at best, one spot for Love and Beas to fight it out with the likes of Odom, Scola, Jefferson Millsap and Gay

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 17, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

beasley can beat them out

maybe love too.. the pups are due an all star showing

"I haven't gotten back from the future yet." - Be-Easy

by sota on Nov 17, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope you are right

I wish any twolve can get on an all-star team

by chuckd@79 on Nov 17, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don't see it happening

The historical evidence overwhelmingly says a winning record is needed for the coaches to consider a player for the all star game.

I’m as positive as anyone when it comes to this team, but cracking .500 this year is nigh-impossible, and there are equally good players on better teams that will get those votes

by Oceanary on Nov 17, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Jefferson's not playing like an all star

Loves numbers betters Jeffersons. 14.3 rebounds to 8.6, and 18.5 points to 16.3.

by Mano on Nov 18, 2010 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I dont care who gets it

Its good the wolves if love or who ever goes

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Paul Millsap then

The point is the team record. Individual production always takes a back seat to the team’s record

by Oceanary on Nov 18, 2010 1:56 AM CST up reply actions  

There was something on truehoop

this morning (I think) aboiut Milsap not even making the ballot. Doesn’t mean the coaches couldn’t pick him, but…

by dropstep on Nov 18, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I see more than one free spot

1) One of Duncan or Gasol has to be starting at C for the West. Oh wait, Yao. Crap.
2) Still, they’ve both played center almost exclusively this year. Unless the coaches want to vote in Nene, Marc Gasol, or Al Jefferson in as backup center, one of Gasol or Duncan will be in that slot rather than using one of the 5 forward spots.
5) Carmelo Anthony could be very well be in the East by then.

I won’t go as far as predicting an ASG birth for either of our forwards, but I think they there would be room for both if they sustained this level of play and the world didn’t hate us.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Nov 18, 2010 2:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Every year we ask this question

Every year it comes back no. Despite the amount of minutes guys like Duncan and Pau Gasol log at center, they don’t get listed as centers on the ballot

2010 NBA Western Conference All Star ballot: centers-
Andris Biedrins
Andrew Bynum
Marcus Camby
Marc Gasol
Spencer Hawes
Al Jefferson
Antonio McDyess
Nene
Greg Oden
Emeka Okafor
Mehmet Okur
Amar’e Stoudemire

Hell, 2 years ago, Erick Dampier finished 3rd in votes for starting center by the fans, simply because there were no other options

To my knowledge, Tim Duncan has never been listed as a center for all star voting

by Oceanary on Nov 18, 2010 2:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Duncan's dumb like that.

He’s been a center for 8 years now. This is a moot point since Yao will be voted in, healthy or not, as long as he’s on the ballot. The only way for Duncan or Pau to both burn forward slots is if they both get voted starters by the fans, which Kevin Durant assures me is highly unlikely. Otherwise, one of them will be backup C (if Yao is healthy) or the replacement starting C (if Yao is hurt).

In a way, having Yao on the ballot as a C erases the stupidity of Pau and especially Tim not listing themselves at the positions they actually play. The coaches are allowed to use their discretion in adjusting players’ preferred positions to build the best possible bench. It’s hard to imagine they wouldn’t list one of Pau or Duncan as their backup center vote given the crappiness of the alternatives.

I guess, in a perfect world, Yao wouldn’t be an All-Star, and Duncan and Pau would be the only two centers on the roster. But in reality, one of the two will end up with that designation, try though he might to avoid it.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Nov 18, 2010 3:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Duncan and Pau

don’t want to lose out to Yao

Hey! I’m a poet, and I wasn’t even aware of it!

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I give that an 8.

If you would’ve gone with, “Hey! I’m a poet and I didn’t even know it,” I would’ve given a 10. =)

by TimAllen on Nov 18, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Yao will play

with his foot and trying to limit minutes.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

The NHL's new all-star selection process

is something of which the NBA should take note. They could modify it slightly to make it their own but I feel it would be really fun to make the All-star game be a sort of pick-up game. Why not have the fan vote determine the starters – a clear marketing ploy to allow the fans to see the players they’re most interested in watching, even if it is horribly inept at picking those that play at a high level during that particular year – with the highest vote-getters in each conference being named the captain of their team. Then let the coaches for each conference select 14 players from their respective conferences from which the captains would select the remaining 7 players on the all-star team for their conference.

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by ynotsema2 on Nov 18, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe not *every* night, but a handful more times.

The wins thing does figure…. On those terms, I guess Love, if he put up like two more ridiculous boarding games and a steady stream of 16-or-so rebound nights, would have a somewhat better shot than Beasley. That’s a scarcer thing, the monster rebound night, as is leading the league in boards, which he’d have a shot at.

Scoring 30 or even 40 is notable, but it’s not like nobody has scored 40 points since 1986 or something. Beasley would have to go out of his mind to make it as a pure scorer on a losing team, given the West’s competitors.

Best case, it’s the Googs/Garnett All Star year: the team comes around enough that one is a bench ASG player, and maybe the other gets in due to injury.

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by feral on Nov 18, 2010 6:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Guess we'll just have to get over .500

and prove this part wrong:

The Timberwolves will be the worst team

Ah crap, Pek's tattoo just stole my soul.

by Bahlgren1 on Nov 17, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Prediction

CH starts up a massive movement for every member to vote daily for Love and Beasley.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 17, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Uhhhh . . .

. . . I think we’ll have a better chance telling people that Love and Beasley are Chinese.

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by PoorDick on Nov 17, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

But Madsen already told Rubio

they were Spanish.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Darko

That was a nice effort for Darko. I think we can say the worst case scenario will be avoided. He keeps flashing some best case scenario, like in that spin move and dunk, but I’d like to know our starting C is at least capable of 20 pts if the stars align.

by fanslaststand on Nov 17, 2010 10:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

New nickname for tag team of Love and Beasley

Ok, I know a lot have been thrown out there but how about Beach and Cheech?

by zberman on Nov 17, 2010 11:00 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Mano for the Win!!!!!!!!!

I'm ready to be swayed Wesley Johnson!!

by Blakeley on Nov 18, 2010 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

That's hilarious

But I applaud Beasley for going into rehab and straighting out his life. I’d prefer to give him credit for that and not adopt a drug-related nickname.

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by Wile E Coyote on Nov 18, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

echo all the comments about Darko's d.

it was night and day. griffen absolutely blew by Love a couple times in the first quarter. at some point, Rambis put Darko on Griffen and it really frustrated him. Darko was just big enough to keep him from using his quickness but quick enough to keep up when Griffen tried to separate by taking a step back. Darko was also really vocal on D. I didn’t realize until tonight what a leader he is in terms of getting the proper d set. great game, and a lot of fun watching darko. on the other hand, Darko should avoid following Beasley out of the tunnel after the half. It must be disheartening to see all the kids cheering for and high-fiving Beasley only to stand silent as the great moody one passes.

by bootowl on Nov 17, 2010 11:03 PM CST reply actions  

I'll give Darko props for his second half D

but he also did kinda crappy with the TOs and not helping out on the boards. We got KILLED on the O-glass tonight. The good news is he’s finally making some shots.

by Rascal Flatts on Nov 17, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Most of that was Griffin

And most of it was in the first half for him

Like S-n-P said, he’s got a lot of Kevin Love in him when it comes to crashing the glass

by Oceanary on Nov 17, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

A nonracist comment would have looked more like this:

Griffin is an athletic Kevin Love

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 17, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah just like a ton of other black people

“black” its not what what your genetic code is its what the world sees you as. Many black people in the us have more European DNA than they do African DNA but they are still considered black.

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I could go around and say I am 75 percent white

but that would not matter in the United states. That 25% has way more pull

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 2:06 AM CST up reply actions  

This way lies madness.

Check out the ways in which South Africa tried to categorize people sometime. The Apartheid regimes there had the added problem of what to do with an Indian population. It’s like our own idiotic past of “quadroons” and so on.

(I’m just happy Blake’s mom and dad found love. Go that.)

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 7:02 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah but Chuck

his mom is like REALLY WHITE. Know what I mean? Granted his bro looks a little more like his mom and he looks a little more like his dad, but c’mon. :)

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 8:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah...

Scale of white would definitely push a few of the percentage points the other way…
hahaha

by Boss10 on Nov 18, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Does Blake Griffin ever smile

or show emotion of any kind? I don’t remember seeing any last night. And he seems to be the only one in the above photo who is not smiling. Is Griffin ever confirmed human?

by TimAllen on Nov 18, 2010 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

the only emotion is fear eminating from is opponent

by fan44 on Nov 18, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

- from his opponent

by fan44 on Nov 18, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, we know he has knees.

(Props to anyone that recognizes the incredibly obscure reference I’m making with that statement – in fact there’s little reason to even acknowledge that it is a reference given how obscure it truly is)

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by ynotsema2 on Nov 18, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Griffin's not even a black Griffin

He’s Haitian and Caucasian. 50/50. So he’s just as much white as he is black.

by Mano on Nov 17, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Well in

America if you have one parent that is black you are considered black. The president says he is black because of this fact

by chuckd@79 on Nov 17, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the lesson

on our culture. I never knew I thought that before now.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

What about if his mom is a red headed okie?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 18, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

(Cue laugh track)

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 6:29 AM CST up reply actions  

One more point

This how many people in my family classify them selves even though they have more European DNA

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Well that's perfectly fine for your family

and I’m sure they have their reasons… which I’m sure are interesting.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

for the record

it’s supposed to be if you are 1/8th or more “black” then you are classified as black…otherwise it’s Caucasian. Same basic threshold to decide whether someone is a native American or not to see if they qualify for payments from the tribe. It’s less to do with how your parent is classified and more to do with your overall genetic makeup. F’d up, I know.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

In terms of genetics,

the usual technique is to check mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosomal DNA for maternal and paternal lines. Mitochondrial DNA in particular is stabler over time, because mitochondria reproduce by binary fission and we get the vast majority of our mitochondria straight from our mother’s eggs.

When you trace that you can see the movement of groups of people over much larger spans of time. You also get really surprising results for individuals sometimes.

There’s huge cultural pressure on our perceptions of race, obviously, but I think the weirdest example is the Ainu people of Japan. The big outline is that Japanese populations came across from the Korean peninsula – duh – but historically there’s a huge cultural gap there, and most Japanese people don’t want to accept that origin. So, there’s quite a lot of funding in Japan for attempts to connect the bulk of the Japanese population to the indigenous Ainu population, who were hunter gatherers on the islands. The Ainu don’t even resemble the bulk of the Japanese population – they’re among the world’s hairiest people, for example. But lots of money goes into attempts to claim them as ancestors…. Very weird, and completely false based on the mitochondrial DNA tracing of historical populations.

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

very interesting

world migration patterns and cultural mingling have left us with a genetic makeup that is metaphorically equivalent to a mutt.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I have to agree with the sloppy TOs

Almost cost us the game. He’s a good passer but just got sloppy at the end.

by Section 116 on Nov 17, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

AP Wrap

Darko Milicic(notes) finished with 11 points on 5-of-6 shooting and held Griffin to six points in the second half.

Like.

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by sota on Nov 17, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Griffin was doubled most of the 2nd half

I was hoping they’d make that adjustment at halftime, and I expected Griff to wilt in the 2nd half under the added pressure if they did. That’s exactly what happened. Good job making halftime adjustments, Rambo.

by Mano on Nov 17, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Are those

Hornets?
Wasps?

I reeeeeaaally don’t get it!

Ah crap, Pek's tattoo just stole my soul.

by Bahlgren1 on Nov 17, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Killer

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 17, 2010 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Went right over my head too.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 18, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Word

Ah crap, Pek's tattoo just stole my soul.

by Bahlgren1 on Nov 17, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh.

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 7:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Another win
  • Great night for Beasley. Hope this continues. He looks like the best offensive player in franchise history, ever since he’s been given the unofficial “go-to guy” title on this team.
  • Eric Gordon is a stud. Wow, that guy knows how to draw contact—he’s got all the tricks at a very young age.
  • Speaking of Gordon, I bet he’s frustrated by the fact that he’s playing with FOUR rookies. That team is going to lose a ton of games, with all of that youth out there. DeAndre is coming along slowly but he’s got a ways to go, yet.
  • Rose’s back-to-back 33-pointers disagree with the “wrong pick” comment. I’m loving what Beasley is doing, but we gotta keep a little perspective, too. If the MVP voting happened today, Rose would get votes.
  • The Oden thing is crazy… it keeps driving his price down, too. He’ll be a Shaun Livingston type of free agent in two years.

by Andy G on Nov 17, 2010 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

Even the way Gordon moves in the lane...

… reminds me so, so much of Wade. It’s the crazy changing directions thing and long strides with the ball pushed way out and then gathered. Watching the highlights again on NBA.com with blurry contacts (it’s 7 am over here and I didn’t sleep much) was almost eerie. That cat is going to be way bigger than I expected on draft day.

by TheH on Nov 18, 2010 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

"Bowling ball" SGs better learn to draw contact, and Gordon has.

Seems like the sort of smart player who leaves town on the Clippers…. That’s sad, but it’s Donny Sterling.

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 7:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Have to admit

He’d look good on the Wolves.

Discussing homerism since 2008!

by biggity2bit on Nov 18, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

At his height even.

The D-Wade comparison would be solidifying there for me. Wade, defensively, is an awesome player, especially in the clutch.

Gordon has such great body control in traffic. Gets off those leaning shots. Again, working around his height.

I’d take him over Mayo. Probably would have after their respective rookie seasons, actually, though Mayo was a workhorse for a rook.

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I think I would, too.

(take him over Mayo, that is.)

That was a very deep draft lottery, in 2008. Gordon was taken 7th and you can’t really say that anyone taken ahead of him was a terrible pick. Rose, Beasley, Mayo, Westbrook, Love, and Gallinari are all fine players. Gallo is the worst of the group, but he’s a prolific shooter from long range and has some potential to get a lot better.

Not a bad draft to have a pair of Top-5’s from. If we can pry Mayo away from Memphis when his contract his up, I would be ecstatic about our 2-3-4 situation.

by Andy G on Nov 18, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

In case you missed it

At the end of the game Papa Glen was on the floor, beaming a big smile, bottle feeding Beasley’s daughter. Great moment.

by bootowl on Nov 17, 2010 11:21 PM CST reply actions  

Are you sure

that’s allowed under the salary cap?

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by PoorDick on Nov 17, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I also heard

that Taylor and Beasley are heading out to Burning Man together next summer.

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by PoorDick on Nov 17, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude

I could totally see them hanging out in the baroque-a-dome all night and watching the sun come up while wearing enormous bead necklaces.

…wait, that was me and Darko back in 2006, sorry. sometimes memory and the future melt together.

by Django Z on Nov 18, 2010 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm just glad

Beasley’s daughter has moved on to bottles.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 17, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

My bro once told me...

that pot was good birth control. Maybe the Beas is just that potent.

by Are we cursed? on Nov 18, 2010 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

only in the sense that...

…it can lead to impotence

also – that is an awesome stoner thing to say “dude, pot is totally great birth control, trust me”

by Django Z on Nov 18, 2010 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

After impregnating his girlfriend,

a buddy of mine informed me that smoking a lot of weed and getting kicked in the junk a bunch of times was not effective birth control.

My mother was a lovely woman, rest her soul, but she never saw the irony in calling me a "son of a bitch."
- Jack Nicholson

by ynotsema2 on Nov 18, 2010 12:47 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Darwin

is rolling in his grave right now.

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by biggity2bit on Nov 18, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

absolutely love be easy

might need to buy a jersey.. yep

"I haven't gotten back from the future yet." - Be-Easy

by sota on Nov 17, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed. he has brought great spirit to this team.

he’s kind of the anti-al. not only does he play within the flow of the offense, he keeps everybody loose instead of scowling at them when they f-up.

by bootowl on Nov 17, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeezus

That was the team’s turnovers per game during various stretches last year.

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by PoorDick on Nov 17, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Too soon.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 17, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Heh--

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by PoorDick on Nov 18, 2010 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Or you could have

gotten a free one for guessing his line in the Miami game ;)

Unfortunately it’s a little small…

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 17, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Did anyone else see Anthony Toliver's ad afterward?

That was the most stilted pitch I’ve ever seen!

“Hey! I’m, on, Twitter. And follow M N Timberwolves. For all the updates. Surrounding the team.”

From his “decision” parody, I would have thought he would be more comfortable.

by MNPhatz on Nov 17, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Audio

Really wish they would compress it so you can hear the reporters’ questions

by Open_Court on Nov 18, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a good point.

It could be true. Guy falls down on damn near every play.

by TimAllen on Nov 18, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

The funniest comment I've ever read on CH...

… was when Mayn talked about how funny it would be to smoke yourself silly and watch slow-mo game film of Corey Brewer dribbling the basketball. I laughed so dang hard when I read that. Just think of Brewer’s wide eyes and funny old-man faces filling the parts of the television screen not occupied by flailing elbows and knees…

by TheH on Nov 18, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for reminiscing

I wasn’t around then, and it just brought tears to my eyes. Funny old-man faces!

by stuntmonkeys on Nov 18, 2010 1:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Team tradition, then.

Felton Spencer had the worst balance any seven-footer ever brought to the league.

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 6:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Just watched the highlights to enjoy the Darko dunk again...

… and decided that even more fun than watching Darko put a move on a nimble brother and throw down two-handed was watching Beasley at 1:09 on the reel. Arms wide, calling Love’s dagger 3-ball at the top of his lungs. I love a kid who can be vocal, shout people down when they’re tying their shoes or not in the game mentally. I love that kid even more if he is unabashedly behind those same guys. Who knew a year ago that Michael Beasley could do this to a struggling team’s culture and sense of identity?

by TheH on Nov 17, 2010 11:57 PM CST reply actions  

Ah, yes. Apologies.

by TheH on Nov 17, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

hahahaha

"I haven't gotten back from the future yet." - Be-Easy

by sota on Nov 18, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Only teasing, holmes. I love your persistence and your contributions to the site, even if I admit that I sometimes wish they arrived a little more condensed into longer and more stand-alone posts. For the most part I think you’re a thoughtful dude and a fun part of the mix. And I’m also glad to see you back after last Friday.

by TheH on Nov 18, 2010 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

He translates

“Love has outperformed Beasley so far in their respective careers, but Beasley has a ton more upside.”
as
“LOOOOOOOOOOVVEEEEEEEEEEEE! I WANT LOVE! I LOVE LOVE! BEASLEY SUCKS! HE’LL NEVER BE ANYTHINGGGGGGGG!”

Or something close to that.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Damnit

Also in that last quote,
“LOVE IS WHITE!”

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

They said he was a bust

and that we should have taken DMC instead. Look it up It was me and few other posters that was really like the idea of having Beasley on the team. The rest though kahn was just stupid

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

It's always like this with you though

“Me and a few” vs. “the rest”

I personally only remember “a few” people who ranged from hating to questioning the Beasley acquisition. Personally, I remember calling my brother late that night and being really excited about Super Cool Beas, reminiscing on draft dreams gone by…

Ah crap, Pek's tattoo just stole my soul.

by Bahlgren1 on Nov 18, 2010 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Same.

And the Beasley acquisition so far has worked out better than I even hoped for.

by LoveTo on Nov 18, 2010 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't remember one person questioning the Beasley trade.

If anything, it was wondering where we were going to get some 2nd rounders for Ronzone to work his magic, but in terms of value I’m pretty sure we all thought the Wolves were getting the better of the deal.

by Boss10 on Nov 18, 2010 1:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you should look at all the posts this summer

There were a few Dominate posters that like the trade Oceanary and later on Tim thought he had the potential to be an all star. every body else said he could not even clean Klove’s jock strap. some thought that he was going to be randy moss your typical ESPN Bull shit

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 1:55 AM CST up reply actions  

You didn't mean to say "Dominate" there.

Dominate himself is one of the few posters who, like you, saw people who liked both players as somehow ragging on Beasley. That’s really what’s going on here.

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 6:39 AM CST up reply actions  

(Or herself. Didn't mean to assume Dominate was male.)

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 6:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah. Your phrasing lost me above.

You’re still having some sort of fantasy about the reaction to the trade and Beasley. You just are. Look at the old threads sometime. That’s everything posted on the site mentioning “Beasley” over the few days around the deal.

But hey, when I searched for those, I stumbled across a FanPost by you:

Michael Beasley vs. Kevin Love
I have read some crazy things on this site like playing Beasley at the 3 while love at the 4.
I think that only one of them should start while the other should be a super sub.

It wasn’t “hate” for Beasley you had a problem with, it was people saying Love was productive and had earned starts, especially on this team. You and Dominate shared that assessment. Look, here’s Dominate saying Love’s a 6th (or 7th) man, a bunch of times. “You don’t play your team around Brad Miller,” and " Love is a 6th man on a team that’s built to win." Ring a bell?

Meanwhile, Stop-n-Pop was really “hating” on Beasley. Before the trade was even consummated: “David Kahn’s post-draft moves have been widely better than advertised, ”http://www.canishoopus.com/2010/7/9/1560877/be-easy-mike-beasley" target="new">culminating with his ability to gain the 2nd pick in the 2008 Draft…"

Even the usual media suspects were pretty danged fair. Marc Stein and Chad Ford: “But Minnesota, sources said, is convinced that it will trade Jefferson before the start of next season and felt it couldn’t pass up the opportunity to acquire a talent like Beasley without surrendering any assets.” John Hollinger: “This is exactly the type of player the Wolves should be looking to snatch as part of their rebuilding project — young, talented players that circumstance places on their doorstep for a pittance.”

You’re remembering this wrong and puffing your chest up about it.

Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other. – OWH

by feral on Nov 18, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I wanted the wolves

to get the first overall pick so badly that year so we could draft Beasley. He goes 2nd, and we get him 2 years later for 2 second rounders? Amazing. Easily my favorite player on the team.

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by sota on Nov 18, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

A good summary of Chuck's time here at CH
You’re remembering this wrong and puffing your chest up about it.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

You see unlike a lot posters I have been

consistent. I said that for a running team Beasley should be at the 4. I believe this and rambis says that the 4 is his best position. But he is so talented he is able to make it work on the offensive side of the ball.

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

for the record

I am pretty sure I liked the trade. At the very least is was an awesome value trade and I was curious to see whether Love and Beasley could play together. So not “everyone” but maybe just a lot of people were dubious that is was going to work. Everyone should keep in mind that the tone on this site around that time as less than positive.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

That is true

I hope people here can take you advice “Everyone should keep in mind that the tone on this site around that time as less than positive.”

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I practically cringed everytime I read a fanpost or comment

the anger from the draft (myself included) came alive like Frankenstein. And boy was he cranky.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I know

I should try and change it up sometimes. I guess I am Like S-N-P when it comes to his hate of the front office

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 1:47 AM CST up reply actions  

again:

http://www.canishoopus.com/2010/7/9/1560877/be-easy-mike-beasley

it’s not as monolithic as you make it seem

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 18, 2010 7:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think you get as much hate as you perceive Chuck
Yeah I know

I should try and change it up sometimes. I guess I am Like S-N-P when it comes to his hate of the front office

So many of your posts are you were/are right, everybody else is wrong. I still can’t remember if anyone was down on the Beasley trade (I’m sure there were) but Good Lord you pat yourself on the back over and over and over

Is just disinformation…

by Son of Gerald Green on Nov 18, 2010 7:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Who is this they, Kemosabe?

http://www.canishoopus.com/2010/7/9/1560877/be-easy-mike-beasley

I don’t think you get to add this one to the list of talking points.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 18, 2010 7:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Wrong as usual.

Many (a majority?) of CHers said that Love had accomplished more coming into this season (which he had, by most standards). The rest of what you are saying just comes from your Chuck vs. the crowd fantasy.

For the record, I do have burned into my brain your words that Beasley cannot play the 3. Will you admit to being wrong about that when the appropriate time comes?

by nextmove on Nov 18, 2010 7:05 AM CST up reply actions  

And you said Love never could

oops!

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

yep I was worng about this one

Unlike you I can admit when I am wrong. You need to get off of your high horse.

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I also don't walk around repeating how right I am

I thought Sessions would be better for us than he was. I was wrong about that.
I would have taken DeRozan over Curry after taking Rubio (actually I wanted to take Curry and then hold him hostage for DeRozan plus, at the very least, cash and a lower salary committment). So far it seems I was wrong about that (though DeRozan is coming on a little more this year).
I cut down Rambis about two games too soon… I guess I was premature on that. Though it could also be argued that it was 82 games too late. Either way, I was wrong. Or maybe I was wrong to change my view in the first place? Along with many CHers, I was happy with him (and staff) at the time of the signing. So maybe I was wrong three separate times here?

The only strong stance I’ve taken lately is on DMC, which is YTBD. Too early to tell, especially as Wes was supposed to be NBA ready, but I’ll fully admit I was wrong if Wes turns out better, assuming it was due to talent and not work ethic (As I have said, I am more than ok with taking Wes if our staff just determined that his work ethic was near the top of the spectrum while DMC’s was near the bottom. This is one of my biggest things when looking for talent, probably brought on because of KG’s work ethic).

Any other things you want me to admit that I’m wrong on?

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Favorite part of the last two games

has been seeing how Beas and Love are bonding – chest bumps, shout outs, jumping high fives at the end of the game…beautiful thing to see. It is the making of some chemistry that should lead to some fun basketball.

by Section 116 on Nov 18, 2010 12:01 AM CST reply actions  

I agree

and another one of those “chemistry moments” was when Wes and Love connected on some very deliberate fives when Wes was on the line. Very funny.

Lols just chill.

by Fli on Nov 18, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Sweet! They're doing this in games now?

I would freaking love to see that as a team tradition. Oh so much.

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by feral on Nov 18, 2010 6:42 AM CST up reply actions  

ESPN hates the Wolves

I now that is not news to anyone. But if you watch the highlights from this game it is basically like as if they were done by an LA based Clippers station. Lead-in to the video is all clippers players warming up. Then it is 4 straight Clippers highlights from the game. Then Beasley’s last second shot. Then the Clipper’s last second attempt. Then pictures of the Clippers walking away mad. What the hell? We really need a new sports megacorporation to offer some competition.

by wolver on Nov 18, 2010 12:07 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

This

But I did just watch it, and that was a crap segment, taglined as “Griffin vs. Love” and they didn’t show any Love.

NBAtv had a much more extensive segment (not surprising for a channel dedicated to the league), which included lots of highlights, and some good thoughts on Beasley’s emergence.
Of course, upon showing the Darko Dunk of Doom, Greg Anthony proceeded to tell us, “I guarantee that’ll be the only highlight of him…” Asshole.

Ah crap, Pek's tattoo just stole my soul.

by Bahlgren1 on Nov 18, 2010 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait a second

How the fuck do you show Love VS Griffin and show no love. WTF!!!!!!!

by chuckd@79 on Nov 18, 2010 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

You got me...

You’d think some editor, some SC host, some…..intern might’ve mentioned that was kinda silly.

Ah crap, Pek's tattoo just stole my soul.

by Bahlgren1 on Nov 18, 2010 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

The anchor did reference that.

Said something like “On to Love vs. Griffin. Griffin something, something. Kevin Love, not pictured, had 24 and 14.”

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Nov 18, 2010 2:25 AM CST up reply actions  

why not just title it Griffin?

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, highlights of players scoring effectively and

establishing good position to board/box out just aren’t as fun to watch. I’m stoked about how well Love is playing, but you’re not going to get ESPN to show that over Blake Griffin trying to destroy the rim.

by aarendsvark on Nov 18, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Can we just replay

the clip of Love breaking the backboard in HS?

by dropstep on Nov 18, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

But in fairness, they also showed the Brewer bank shot

by OdinFromValhalla on Nov 18, 2010 12:08 AM CST reply actions  

Oden - get him

The Wolves shoul get Oden now and hope his surgeries pan out. I think the Wolves should be the team that gets the “struggeling” players back on their feet. Like Darko, Beasley etc. Good image attracts good players. And the semi-broken ones cost less.

I have a friend who always buys nice cars that are broken. So he basically pays a lot less for the car, fixes it cheaply at a local garage, and drives better cars than most of his peers. Smart if you ask me.

by lurifax on Nov 18, 2010 2:18 AM CST reply actions  

Didn't the FO

say they wanted to add a long, athletic center type? Oden would certainly give us a very unique look – Darko, Oden, and Pek. That just blows my mind.

Discussing homerism since 2008!

by biggity2bit on Nov 18, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, if my theories are correct

And he’s really just Benjamin Button, his prime should be right around the corner…

Ah crap, Pek's tattoo just stole my soul.

by Bahlgren1 on Nov 18, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Beasley goes Muhammad Ali on nba.com regarding Klove: “When you have a full man plan like Kevin Love, it makes it easy on B-easy.” (someone double check, he talks fast). He is a good interview. A happy warrior. Was surprised when viewing the game winning clip how many seats were filled on the lower level. Beastly Luv will put bodies in the seats this season, and when littl’ Ricky decides to become a man, the register will ring cash money for Taylor.

by Elastico on Nov 18, 2010 3:42 AM CST reply actions  

A few thoughts from the Target Center

I was at the game and I have to start by saying that last night was the most fun I’ve had at a Wolves game since ’04. The Beasley/Love combo is so fun to watch…. I constantly have to remind myself that they are only 21!

All of the analysis above this post is spot on: Darko’s D was really game changing, Griffin will eventually become a monster, Love/Beas are playing at an all-star level. But my big take away from last night was the energy in the building. Some credit definitely has to be given to the Wolves marketing/sales team for getting butts in the seats and having enough in-game entertainment to keep the crowd alive.

by jballer_13 on Nov 18, 2010 8:00 AM CST reply actions  

I really wish I could've gone to that game...

…but for a Wednesday night game against the worst team in the league, I was definitely shocked how engaged the crowd was.

by jballer_13 on Nov 18, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

This was a good post, the Pre-Game post was somewhat annoying and I felt it was a bit ignorant.

(yes I am a Clippers fan)

In the matchup column it had Wes Johnson over Eric Gordon by a landslide or something like that. It also pointed out that Gordon had weak defense? How much more wrong could somebody be. It’s like the writer just looked up Gordon’s height and determined he was too short for a SG to defend.

It also said the Clips were so easy it should be over by half time. It’s like they just looked at the record and deemed it so. Most of the Clips losses have been like this…close games…OT…Double OT.

Beasley was a good pickup and Love is a great/smart player who gets into good position.

Proud member of Club FTR.

by Newton Pham on Nov 18, 2010 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

I guess it's difficult for outsiders to pick up on

but our pregame post also had us winning each matchup against the Heat, Lakers, and Magic.

It’s usually pretty easy to tell that they’re jokes, from our perspective… but I guess someone who is a fan of the team we are making fun of would take it a little more seriously (apparently Wolves fans are the only fans that can make fun of their own team?).

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Nov 18, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

This would be the polite way of saying

Suck it! Right?

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

but relatively polite?

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

TimAllen game threads = pure satire

Wolves won the game, but I think the Clippers had the best overall player on the floor (Griffin) and best wing/guard (Gordon).

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Nov 18, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

if by "pure satire" you mean "pure F'ing genius" then absolutely

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

In Beastly we trust.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, that's a good tag line ;D

Who needs Mr. Big Shot when we have Mr. BEAST shot?

I'll do it myself!

by (o.O) on Nov 19, 2010 5:01 AM CST reply actions  

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