What's it gonna take for Kahn to get some credit?
by NYCVike on Nov 18, 2010 12:18 AM CST
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PrintThe sole job of David Kahn is simple. Bring in the best players he can with the resources he has. How can anyone say he has done a poor job at this point? He got Darko for free. He got Beasley for free. He got Rubio for free. (In this case free=garbage). He got Martell Webster for the 16th pick (don't whine to me about Gomes, Portland did us a favor). It appears that Wes Johnson is proving to be the smarter pick over Cousins (at least so far). The only thing you can hang on the guy is Flynn over Curry, and I still think Flynn will be a good player.
Throw the guy a frickin bone!!!
Don't get me wrong. I hate David Kahn's personality. He just looks like an asshole and he sucks at giving interviews. He is anti-PR. Just looking at his mad-hatter hair makes me want to punch him in the face.
Putting this aside, I think its time to give credit where credit is due. He. Is. Doing. A. Good. Job.
Even the things we have yet to see materialize (i.e. use of cap space, draft picks for Al Jeff) can't be screwed up enough to say he is doing poorly. And anyone who says Rambis is making the picks is copping out BS style.
Yes the team has a long way to go yet, but that is officially on Rambis and the coaching staff now. Kahn did everything he could for this team in the position that he is in as POBO. Its time for CH to start showing a little more respect for the moves he has made.
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I think the dominant logic here is:
We were really really bad last year.
In addition:
Rubio hasn’t proven anything yet and isn’t here.
Some people don’t like Darko at all.
Some people hated the Jefferson trade.
The Webster trade hasn’t proven anything yet (James Anderson (or Rudy Fernandez?) should be the comparable, not Babbitt)
We got a poor return on our pick swaps this year (I believe it was Atlanta who put that to shame).
I like Lazar, but question the selection.
Henk Norel?
Rambis was looking like an awful coach.
Wes Johnson v. DMC is far from over. And it’s more about the ‘fit’ over BPA than anything here. I’ve already said though, I’m fine with the pick if they thought Cousins’ work ethic was going to be his downfall. With this, I give them my full support. Now I just hope they’re right.
He, technically, overpaid Pekovic.
He didn’t do anything to bring in help last year (DLeague was/is filled with guys better than those we had last year).
Ongoing fears of Love being traded for garbage.
We gave up a very valuable pick in the second round for the ability to play Wilkins and cut Atkins.
I personally hated the Sessions/Hollins trade (when they were talking about cutting Bassy. When they didn’t cut him, I became neutral on the trade, but I think Kahn’s hand was forced in this).
I’m sure I’ve missed a few things and left out some things that some people question that I don’t.
He also says stupid things, as you mention kinda.
So while I do give him some credit for his good moves, I also think it’s not only acceptable, but advantageous, to question his poor moves.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
Incentive.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
Kahn
I guess I see it as if we are his boss. And if an employee consistently turns in crappy work, but you don’t say or do anything about it, chances are nothing will improve. Telling them they aren’t meeting expectations (albeit rather rudely…) should give them an incentive to work harder if they know they’re shit stinks.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
Wouldn't dream of it
what’s his number, b the w?
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
I always liked Kahn
…because I thought he had a very clear plan from the beginning and knew how to go about achieving it. But you might be giving him too much credit. I think the three best things he did for the organization were hiring the right talent (Rambis), the Miller/Foye for a 5th, and clearing cap space.
But I don’t think the recent moves you mention were Kahn moves. His ability to recognize talent is lacking (Flynn/Curry, Hollins) and I think after those failures he very much deferred to Rambis and company, which in and of itself is a good managerial move.
Webster, Darko, Wes, Tolliver even Beasley all happened because Rambis wanted them. I’d be willing to bet Rambis even facilitated the Beasley trade (the Riley connection) more than Kahn. So, give him credit where credit is due, but don’t go overboard.
two points
The Flynn pick would look a lot better if we play a different system. If flynn was allowed to jack up as many shots are Jennings and Curry and put of bad numbers then you would have a point. Curry is not athletic and played at a small school I don’t fault him for passing on curry. Jennings it me was the one he missed out on. Athletic freak that has the tools to be a good defender unlike curry. But since he said some carzy things about Rubio Kahn could not take Jennings.
Or maybe..
…he’s really not that good and this was obvious from the get-go. Curry dominated on a level that very few college players do and his fit in the system this team is trying to run was obvious. Kahn gets dinged in my eyes for two main reasons: his drafting skills and his ability to tell whoever it is in front of them exactly what he thinks they want to hear. He’s flying by the seat of his pants and sometimes this will work out, sometimes it won’t. I’m a big fan of professionalism and process and what this guy is doing is not something you can count on. He’s a gambler and ultimately that is going to kill this franchise in a way on par with McHale. I think my distaste for the guy often gets overstated in the sense that I’m painted as hating everything he does. Hate is a strong word but I can’t stand how he goes about his business in an erratic manner. Why can’t this team simply have a “normal” GM that is up to speed with up to date league practices?
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Normal GM's
Would have done the same things Khan has done but with better PR Skills when it comes to the draft.
I went over the small school verses large school argument most of times I am right and you are wonrg when it comes to a players coming from small schools. Look it up how many players from that school or conference became all stars or even nba players. ITs small list.
I like the fact that he took a risk on Beasley
Normal GMs would not have taken Beasley. They would have thought he is a trouble maker that smokes weed and will be bad influence on a young team.
But have you considered...
…that the number of players coming from small schools strongly corresponds with the world-wide decline in the number of pirates? Both remaining pirates and players that make it from small schools are small numbers so yes, you are right.
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Sorry SnP, but do you pay attention to the news?
Pirates are hijacking oil tankers monthly, sometimes weekly. Sometimes giant tankers, they make the national news. More often, they take smaller “finished product” tankers carrying diesel fuel or gasoline.
One of Obama’s good moves was to have some Navy Seals assassinate a few on the open ocean & rescue a ship’s captain.
Off the horn of Africa & through the Malacca straits, piracy is a huge deal.
There...
…are people that refuse to board Carnival Cruise ships and there are pirates:
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Which also inversely correlates
to global warming.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
Few things...
1) Michael Beasley is playing great, but the reason the Timberwolves have looked so good as of recently is because Kurt Rambis has finally realized that bad teams benefit by giving their best players extended minutes. That’s it. It started in the first Atlanta game and from that point we have been 3-5. This isn’t great, but it’s a far cry from last year’s 15 win team. That being said, if Rambis actually played his best players extended minutes last year, our record would have probably been in the .375 range as well.
2) I wouldn’t hang my hat on Wesley Johnson over DeMarcus Cousins just yet. Remember that Cousins is 3 years younger then Johnson, so he has a lot of time. That would be like saying three weeks into the 2008 season that OJ Mayo is better then Kevin Love or Michael Beasley…which we now might know is probably not true.
3) We shouldn’t gloss over Kahn’s assessment of Jonny Flynn. David Kahn rated Jonny Flynn ahead of both Tyreke Evans and Stephen Curry. David Kahn claimed Jonny Flynn could/would be an elite defender in the league, the same Jonny Flynn who was also rated last year as the WORST DEFENDER IN THE LEAGUE. As a fan, am I not allowed to extrapolate from the 2008 draft? It’s not as if he has a wealth of drafting experience that can give me solace. Our POBO may have no discernible skill in the field of talent evaluation. This terrifies me.
4) Potentially a good litmus test for a GM…if he quit today, would any other team in the NBA consider hiring him? If that answer is a resounding “no”…you may have an issue.
5) We essentially have one more window to get this thing right, and that’s this upcoming summer. We’ll have max cap space, Ricky Rubio coming over (in theory), and our last high lottery pick. After this summer, the Clippers will have our 1st rounder and both Beasley and Love will have to be extended. I dread this. I blame Kahn.
So sure…I think agreeing to acquire Beasley was a good (and obvious) move. But forgive me if I still refrain from giving David Kahn credit. The guy has a laundry list of awful – bad moves as well. Once solid moves become a pattern, and not an aberration, then we can start discussing how much “credit” Kahn deserves.
I'm ready to be swayed Wesley Johnson!!
I had thought that Kahn rated Evans
as one of his top picks. Who knows.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
That's certainly what..
….he started telling people as the season wore on.
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My understanding
is that Kahn rated Tyreke Evens tops on the board, and if I remember correctly one of the reasons for aquiring the 5th pick was to be better positioned to move up for ‘reke and Sacto said no way-ho-se. then when we had to take flynn, nothing but praise for the kid. my understanding is that flynn was the back up plan incase they couldn’t trade for ’reke.
I’m not saying that Flynn wasn’t a mistake, I was all over Curry that draft. I think that Kahn has realized his limitations and that is why we have Ronzone and Rambis giving major input into player selection.
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by the Real Thor on Nov 18, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I'm just taking David Kahn at his word..
This is what he said:
"We couldn’t believe our luck that Rubio was there at five," Kahn says. "And we love Jonny Flynn. We had them ranked as the second- and third-best players on our board."
I'm ready to be swayed Wesley Johnson!!
Yep..
….the story amazingly changed throughout the year to fit the needs of whatever group of paying ticket holders was standing in front of him. BTW, with Griffin being the clear #1, that means…well, it’s best not to think about it.
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Well folks another exciting episode of Kahn Hate
staring S-N-P
Right, as I recall, the day after draft day he was talking about Sac having taken his pick.
He thought they would take Rubio.
So he went with the BPA, Rubio, and he’s been pilloried for it.
Yes..
….because Flynn was a terrible pick.
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I think we need to remember hindsight.
If Curry was riding pine right now because he was too thin to play defense and didn’t have the handle to play point (which were the fears for the entire league on him and were perfectly possible) then there would be no problem with the Flynn pick. Other than Curry there was no one else who is significantly better at 6 in that draft. I’m pretty excited to see Jonny play this year.
Yes, but....
…when you go against the grain – which one should if he possess the constitution to stomach the consequences – you must live with the results. Conventional wisdom and most of us on CH wanted CURRY. When Kahn takes Flynn, that is a gamble. And one he needs to win in order for his legacy to be positive.
THANK GOD FOR THE CANIS HOOPUS ARCHIVE!!!
You should check out the comments of the Canis Hoopus live draft blog from the 2009 draft.
It’s pretty clear that everyone was ecstatic about Ricky Rubio and everyone was pissed IMMEDIATELY about drafting Jonny Flynn. That is what conventional wisdom at the time. I’m guessing that the large majority of people who questioned the pick questioned the pick all along. It’s not considered hindsight if it was originally foresight.
I'm ready to be swayed Wesley Johnson!!
Kahn was happy to imply that to bloggers...
After he realized Evans was going to win ROY.
Check out the link I posted below though. That’s in Kahn’s own words.
I'm ready to be swayed Wesley Johnson!!
I've also been dreading
the unprotected pick we owe the Clippers in 2012 (it would kill me if we won the lottery that year). But I think the Wolves this season has an outside chance to crack 30 wins. This could put us outside the top ten of the draft, and subsequently giving up our pick to the Clippers in the upcoming draft. With Memphis’ and Utah’s picks also possibly coming to us next year, this is something I would prefer.
We'd probably have to top 33 wins to fall out of the top 10
just a guess. But I think we’re OK this year and will have our pick. Then, when the Clips get our pick the following year, it won’t be a top 10 anyway. By then, the players will be feeling the triangle, they will have a year of playing together under their belt, and they’ll have more talent to boot. This is a team on the rise, starting now.
I am torn too...
…do we shoot climb outside the top 10 (and thus convey the pick owed to the Clippers this offseason), or do we hope to extend the pick to 2012? While I have enjoyed all of the recent successes, I’m wondering where it puts us long-term. If we are going to have a shot at a Top 3 pick, this is the year to do it (and wouldn’t it figure that this is said to be a weak draft – further weakened by possibility of an impending lock-out). I would like to see us finish in the bottom 3 this year, pick up a max player at the trade deadline or during the 2011 offseason, and convey the pick to the Clippers in 2012 – hopefully when we are making a playoff run.
Another thing to keep an eye on is the number of draft picks we end up with in next year’s draft. It could be as high as 3, or as low as 0.
The time for thinking about this "dilemma," in my opinion...
is one hundred percent over. Win, win, win. If we’re not among the 10 worst teams in the league this year, that means we’ve made a gargantuan leap, and that Rubio + the continued growth of our core + a center in FA should have us all optimistic about a playoff berth next year and a quick rise to the upper crust of the Western conference.
That’s not a scenario to consider avoiding, in my opinion.
by LoveTo on Nov 18, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you proposing that said "gargantuan leap"...
…is attainable, or best case scenario? Are you hoping to “show improvement” (and thus keeping our pick with a bottom 5-10 finish) or utilizing the assets we have currently realized and pushing into the playoffs without another high draft pick?
I'm saying that if we lose our pick this year, that's what will have taken place.
And I’m also saying that, barring a future-mortgaging trade (think Melo rental), there is no scenario in which I’d prefer fewer wins to more wins.
What were your thoughts..
…on Morey’s (Houston GM) recent comments regarding elite talent? Wouldn’t winning now at all costs simply “launch” us up into the stratosphere of the NBA mediocre? It seems to me that championship teams aren’t usually slow-built. They are either rocketed to the upper echelon (with the infusion of a transcendental talent) or 2 (multi-tiered approach).
Aaron Brooks...
…was probably the coup of the 07 draft (barely two months on the job). And it wouldn’t surprise me if some of our stat heads follwed him closely.
Philosophical eyeball test?
Because I’m pretty sure, by any other metric, Brooks has him beat handily. And I’m not sure if this is meant as an indictment of Kahn’s ineptitude or Morey’s prowess. Suppose the former?
I think if you trade Brooks and Flynn
they’ll pretty much equal each’s other production levels. They are both quick, score-first point guards who don’t play much defense and aren’t tremendous passers. Brooks looks a little better because he played for a better team last year. I’ll give you that Brooks is slightly better, but that’s because he’s had more experience.
It’s not really an indictment of either one. But let’s not pretend that Aaron Brooks is an All-Star point guard. He’s above average at best.
If you look at their careers
Jonny Flynn has been noticeably better than Brooks during every equivalent age year of their careers. Defense? Not so sure, neither of them are studs.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
Except on was taken 6th and the other 26th in their respective draft.
…As it pertains to a GM and talent evaluation of their staffs, the greater value is clear.
Greater value yes
but extremely equivalent players (and I still give the slight edge to Jonny because history tells me to, even though Brooks made a big leap, at least in usage, a couple? years ago).
Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.
Morey's
trade with New York last year was definitely a solid trade. That was a brilliant move. But I thought trading Landry for Martin was not smart. Holding onto Yao as long as he has is not smart. His other moves have been nothing spectacular. His draft picks have not really been very good. And the Rockets haven’t won anything of substance with Morey at the helm.
I just don’t get what is so special about what this guy is doing.
I don't mean to say that there is anything special about Morey.
I simply brought him up because he made statements (see article above) about how to improve his club in relation to other franchises, and I was wondering if people agree or disagree. Is this a direction we should be looking to take our franchise and, if so, how far along are we?
Agreed...
Even though I sense a guillotine hanging over the long-term potential of this team, winning now is just so fun compared to the crap we’ve been choking down over the last few years.
I'm ready to be swayed Wesley Johnson!!
If Beasley is for real...
I really don’t think the long-term potential is that limited. This guy is playing this season on par with some of the league’s A1, top-scorers on playoff teams.
Rubio and Beasley are two guys who seem to have huge upsides, and we’ve got guys who look like they CAN be fringe-all-star supporting cast guys in Wes and Love.
Obviously it’s more likely that all that doesn’t pan out than that it does, but isn’t that true for all the rebuilding efforts of bad teams? I just think we’ve got enough upside on the roster and in the pipeline that we don’t need to destroy it all in an avalanche of losing so we have a 30% chance at Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones.
well
I’m ambivalent towards Kahn, but some reactions to your points:
1) We were intentionall tanking. This year, Rambis stated right at the beginning, he was still figuring out his rotations. He was making players earn their playing time. Look at any of our close games and we have tight rotations. Last night, we had in effect an 8 man rotation (Ellington and Koufos hardly got any minutes albeit they both briefly and disastrously played). So I think Rambis knows to play his best players; he was simply trying to get them to play well. Full disclosure — I was calling for Rambis’s head two weeks ago.
2) Agreed.
3) Your second point negates this point. I still think Flynn will develop a lot. It was his rookie year. Give him time before condemning him.
4) Disagree. That’s the whole point of this post — he doesn’t get the credit he deserves, so of course, no one else would hire him.
5) . You’re kidding right? Kahn didn’t give away the pick to the clippers. That was his predecessor.
Kahn’s good moves: Rambis (maybe that should go in the TBD category, but it attracted attention and Laimbeer and Theus), Ronzone, Beasley, keeping Love, Webster, not extending Corey
Kahn’s TBD moves: Darko, two first rounders for Big Al, Wes over DMC, Rubio
Kahn’s poor moves: Flynn over Curry, being a douche
All in all, he’s done a much better job than McHale and for this franchise, I’ll take it. Plus this year’s team is so much more fun to watch than last year’s already. I think we should extend to Kahn what we should extend to all rookies — a three year window to prove themselves. Patience sucks.
by monkeywolf on Nov 18, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
your last 3 bullets
pretty much sum it up. less douchey please, I still believe that is the main reason why the media hates on him. Methinks.
"I haven't gotten back from the future yet." - Be-Easy
Kahn's douchiness
is of epic proportions. Every time I see him on TV I cringe.
Still says nothing about the job he’s doing though.
me too
I can sense the creeper through the screen. File that under the “you know it’s bad when” section.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 18, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Fair points, but
1. That .375 is coming out of nowhere. He played Al 32 minutes a night a season after ACL surgery. I’m sure playing him 4 more minutes per night, Love 8 more minutes per night, and Brewer 6 more minutes per night would not have resulted in us winning 16 more games during a season in which we were in a class with only New Jersey for worst point differential in the league. We didn’t have enough close games for the playing time of our “stars” to double our win total.
2. Few will argue Wes is simply more talented than DeMarcus Cousins, similar to how no one will argue DeMarcus is a better character guy than Wes. Similar to how drafting Beasley over Mayo, Westbrook, and Love does Miami no good now, drafting Cousins only to watch him pout and yell at coaches for 3 years before we release him/trade him for .25 cents on the dollars would do us no good. Do you think Portland fans were happy to see Zach Randolph have a 20-10 season with allegedly an adjusted attitude for Memphis? No. I’m guessing they thought “Why couldn’t he get it together for us?” So while I don’t doubt Cousins will be the better player than Wes 3 years from now, I do doubt he’ll be doing it for Sacto.
3. Inarguable. Tony Ronzone’s power is the only counterpoint, but Flynn over Curry is inarguable, because it was close to unanimously wrong at the time, and it was “proven” so over their rookie years. Again, if in 2 years now Flynn is a better player than Curry we’ll have to ask ourselves “Is he playing this well at the cost of Rubio’s minutes?” and “Would Curry have been the better fit for us now?” as well. So I agree with your point.
4. No one would hire him because Kahn has yet to build a winner, nor would anyone argue he has. He’s cleaned up the scrap heap of our ’08 roster and turned it into something exciting with promise, but he has yet to win. Teams tend to hire proven winners, rather than someone like Kahn who has been more of a garbage man for us so far.
5. That was McHale’s pick. Unless you blame Kahn for not maximizing our potential and getting us out of the lottery in a weaker draft class. In which case A) I’m not sure how possible that would have been, and B) He’d have sacrificed our future. If you blame him for building around 2 guys from the ‘08 draft class, then it’s an unfair argument.
Also, if Beasley was such an obvious move somebody would have offered a first for him. We didn’t get him at a discount.
Explanation of 1 and 5...
1) That is based off of Dave Berri’s Win’s produced statistic. I ran the numbers last year but it essentially revolved around not playing Pavlovic and Hollins at all, playing brewer less, playing Love and Jefferson 36 minutes a game, and giving more time to Ramon Sessions (at the expense of Brewer, Pavlovic, and Flynn)
5) We only have 1 more window, and I blame my DREAD that we won’t make the most out of that one window on Kahn. My apologies if that was confusing in my previous post.
I'm ready to be swayed Wesley Johnson!!
Preside over a winning team, perhaps?
I’m not sure what you expect in terms of “credit” for Kahn. I too am encouraged by the recent play, but the team is still 4-9. This comes after last year’s debacle, which, while you can try to justify it any way you want, was horrific. Terrible for fans and for the franchise.
Look, it may be unfair to an extent-the extent to which he gets abuse because of his personality. On the other hand, that’s part of the job too, representing your franchise well in public, and at several points, he has failed to do that.
As for the basketball moves, he gets beat up for several things: the Flynn draft (more from us here than nationally, though I still think it was one of his biggest mistakes), the Darko signing, the fact that Rubio isn’t here, the cycling though of players (particularly PGs—Sessions, Ridnour), and the general sense that he lacks a real plan, but just reacts to what’s in front of him.
You can take issue with any of those, I guess, though I’m inclined to think he deserves criticism for most of that.
Then there is the Beasley trade. I agree that he should get credit for being in position to take advantage of that, and then getting it done.
I was one of the few (despite Chuckd’s fever dreams) that was against that trade, and it’s become apparent to me that I was wrong. So kudos to Kahn for that.
It’s a bit soon to start demanding credit for Kahn, it seems to me.
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by Eric in Madison on Nov 18, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions
So, I was a book sale at the Edina library on York Avenue
over the weekend and I stumbled across this book:
I bought it for 25 cents but have yet to crack it open. I am hoping that it details David Kahn’s ability to “crack the code” of the NBA front office game. Maybe it will talk about how he will acquire talent in the future. Maybe it will discuss how he ranks players in the draft.
I have high hopes.
by TimAllen on Nov 18, 2010 10:29 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'll give him credit for three things
1. Beasley, got him for a steal but we also got lucky that Miami wanted to dump him for nothing to make room for Lebron and Wade. Without this happening what happens here in MN doesn’t happen either.
2. Wes over Cousins. Cousins is already giving Sactown problems with his attitude. However as someone else pointed out he is 3 years younger and look at the progress Beasley made.
3. Kevin Love, he didn’t make the draft day trade McHale did. At least he did something right on his way out. But he kept him over Big Al (Who I do miss) which was the right move. He and Beasley are playing great together.
The Jury is still out on Flynn, Pekovic, Darko, Rubio, Webster, (who I think was a steal, lets just hope his back stays healthy) and the rest of the wolves roster and coaching staff.
He’s an @$$ thats forsure but he’s done somethings right, its just too early to tell what he’s done wrong.
Beasley is making progress
but he gave nothing to the team that drafted him.
I think that’s what a lot of people were thinking would happen with Cousins. Give headaches to us, sign with someone else, then dominate.
That being said, I still expect Cousins to do more for Sacramento than Wes does for us.
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by Steven Ellingson on Nov 18, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Right, we may well have our chance to get DMC in 3 years
just in time for the finals run
Add Luke and Tolliver, too, to the Credit list.
And the Jury will fall in Wolves favor on some of those.
Compare this to Kevin McHale.
by ChicagoViking on Nov 18, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
To this day...
…it still blows my mind how Miami couldn’t find anything better than 2 second round picks for Beasley. Even if they didn’t want to take back any salary, I believe there were 8-10 teams with at least $5mil in cap space, and they could have taken one or two 1st rounders in 2012-2016 and a slew of future 2nd rounders to push back financial implications. …just blows my mind that true market equilibrium was achieved.
They needed to get rid of him quick
And the Wolves were probally waiting the whole time first in line.
IF David Kahn has got us our Alpha Wolf
and nothing else, I will thankfully take ALL of the negative things he has done and still be very happy.
by fan44 on Nov 18, 2010 3:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
ronzone hire was a big huge assest…hes also the one in charge the last five years in putting us ateam togehter with coack and jc….this guy knows talent and were lucky to have him on board…players in the league speak highly…got a chance to watch him speak to a group and he has tons of cinfidence in our direction…thats a plus for dk..good hire ….
I agree. And the Rambis hire, and Laimbeer, and Wohl
It is an impressive bunch of guys on the coaches bench.
While Rambis made the alter hires, they would not have come if they all thought MN had no chance & was being run by a clueless douchebag.
The 1st test of a manager is his hires. If Kahn is no good, blame Taylor. If Rambis is good, credit goes to Kahn.
What kind of catastrophe would have to happen for
Corey Brewer to be voted in as an All-Star starter?
Patella fractures...
…becoming a virus that only affects men who are both over 6’5" and 200lbs and is transmitted through what is commonly known among professional athletes as “road beef”.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 18, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure
I vote for all the wolves, through simple loyalty. Do I think he’ll play? Heck No. DO I think Beasley and Love will get to play – Not both, especially when one of the forwards in the west is Durantula. I’ll vote for them anyway.
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by frankenhoops on Nov 18, 2010 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
Am I the only one that enjoys Kahn interviews?
He’s not an a$$ in a bad way.
To be more specific I think he handled the Al trade well. He goes out of his way to thank the players for their time with the team and wishes them the best in an honest way.
A couple obvious bonehead comments but overall he seems thoughtful and measured to me.
by fanslaststand on Nov 18, 2010 6:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I vote we keep him.
Kahn keeps it interesting.
I do agree with a few of the comments that state Kahn just executes the deals our coaching staff want. Kahn himself stated that there is a very narrow range of players that Rambis thinks are exceptable so “there are only 7-8 players I need to try to acquire”.
by fanslaststand on Nov 18, 2010 6:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would like to thank Mr Kahn,
and the rest of his staff for bringing some positive attention to the Wolves. I have seen more stories and interest in the Wolves the past three days than I did all of last year. Granted, most of it is Beasley, but there is some love for Love and I heard Bill Simmons say today (on PTI) that Kahn made a good deal in getting Beasley from Miami. Who woulda thunk it?!? Last year, the only time it seems I got to see the wolves was when they were playing the “elite” teams and getting stomped, with a few exceptions (insert Brewer dunk here).
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I’m all for patience on the draft picks and seeing how RR does when he gets here (and he will be here next year). As for the dreaded “clippers” pick, I’ll be happy to give it to them this year, just to quit talking about it.
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GO WOLVES!
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