Love-Mayo revisited
by Mano on Nov 26, 2010 6:42 AM CST
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PrintThey say hindsight is 20-20. When looking back at the trade that landed Kevin Love, the leading rebounder in the NBA by a wide margin, one would have to assume it was a slam dunk trade in favor of our beloved pups. But it wasn’t always so obvious. You could say this 20-20 hindsight took a little time to reach its conclusion.
The trade sent Mayo, the third overall pick, to Memphis along with forward Antoine Walker and guards Marko Jaric and Greg Buckner. Memphis sent Love, the fifth overall pick, with guard/forward Mike Miller, forward Brian Cardinal and center Jason Collins.
The first 2 years, Mayo outperformed KLove, outscoring him by more than 1200 points. Part of this could be attributed to the Wolves' misuse of Love, playing him alongside Big Al at times, and bringing him off the bench other times. Love also missed 21 games his 2nd year, and only started 59 of a possible 164 games. Mayo on the other hand started all 164 games.
At first glance, it appeared Memphis got the better player. After all, Love was the only player of the top 5 picks who didn't make the 2009 Rookie Challenge All Star game.
Aside from getting KLove in the deal, the Pups finally rid themselves of Jaric and his horrific contract, who is now playing overseas. Walker and Buckner were little used, and were salary cap throw ins.
The Wolves were able to parlay Brian Cardinal into Darko Milicic, who is enjoying a transformational year and could win the NBA’s most improved player award. He is an integral part of the team already, leading the league in blocks, and is becoming as irreplaceable as anyone on the roster. He’s already been called one of the best centers in the NBA by opponents, and also has been compared by opponents to Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Darkeem Rules!
Mike Miller was used to acquire the rights to Ricky Rubio, who by all estimates is a future NBA star at one of the most critical positions of need on the club. His career in the NBA will begin in Minnesota, who will be a young team on the rise when he finally arrives. Judging by the sporadic play at that position so far this year, he can’t get here soon enough.
Walker, Jaric, and Buckner are no longer playing in the NBA. Jaric still shows up on Memphis' salary cap this year at $7,625,000. He signed with Real Madrid last year, so it's possible that the salary represents the final 2 year buyout.
For now, Mayo is a bench player in Memphis. Love has outscored Mayo this year 302 to 200 (18.9 to 13.3), outrebounded him 232 to 43(14.5 to 2.9), and out free throwed him 78 to 24 (.886 to .774)
News: Mayo came off the bench for the second consecutive game Wednesday night. He finished with nine points in 23 minutes in a win over the Pistons.
Spin: Mayo was moved to the bench in the Grizzlies previous game for showing up late. He stuck on the bench for Wednesday's tilt and a recent report says he will be used in a reserve role for the "foreseeable future." There's no telling how long Mayo will stick on the bench, but his value takes a hit for as long as he's in a reserve role.
Now, who would you rather have on your team? The leading rebounder in the NBA, a force underneath who averages a double double, or a guy who shows up late and lives on the perimeter?
It looks like the Wolves made out like bandits on this trade. Kevin McHale may have left the team in a shambles for Kahn, but this particular trade has made Kahn’s rebuilding job much easier, is still paying dividends, and 2 1/2 years later is looking like the best trade in Wolves history.
How many Wolves fans were screaming at McHale for pulling off this trade, pulling out their hair and swearing at the TV upon hearing of the trade? Personally, I was willing to give it time to see how it worked out. Getting rid of the bloated contracts was huge at the time, I thought. And they say you can’t judge a draft until several years later, so I was willing to take a wait and see approach.
$3,638,280-Kevin Love's 2010 salary
$4,456,200- OJ Mayo's 2010 salary
The Pups ended up with KLove, Milicic, and the rights to Rubio, while the Grizzlies ended up with Mayo and a bloated payroll of $67,840,930. The Wolves sport the youngest team in the NBA, the leading rebounder and leading shot blocker in the NBA, and a cap friendly payroll of $44,687,148.
McHale may have been the most incompetent executive this side of Matt Millen, but this trade is of the few bright spots on his resume. It didn't look that way at first, but combined with a few brilliant moves by David Kahn, it sure does now.
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Best trade in wolves history might be Beasley though
2 second round picks for him? That’s pretty good. Although the Love-Mayo trade did a great deal to correct for the Roy-Foye swap from a team talent perspective in that it lead to Darko and Rubio.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 26, 2010 8:06 AM CST reply actions
3/5 of our starting lineup is pretty good, too.
I’m giddy about the Beasley trade, too. Don’t get me wrong. But we just reaped so much from this trade. Besides landing KLove, we also jettisoned alot of dead weight, and set us up for the future, which is happening now. Plus it led to acquiring 3 of our foundational starting players in Love, Darkeem, and Ricky. Beasley, while a superb talent, is only 1 player. Which would you rather have? The 3 starting players and all our picks, or the one starting player, fewer picks and less cap room?
Better to be Lucky-
than Good?
Not only did we catch a major break on how Love has developed as opposed to Mayo’s one trick pony reversal of fortune, but in the long run Roy’s knees may have given us the better outcome on that trade as well. You hear these days that the McHale Draftroom had seen the medical results on Roy and avoided him due to them, but who knows if that was actually the case.
At any rate, it was both Miller and Foye who were traded for the Rubio pick, although Percherov came to us in that trade, so who knows who really got the best of that one!
I am hoping the Beasley trade is the steal of the decade, but I think Rambis will have to do some very zenful coaching to keep Micheal on an even keel.
Nice post, Mano
"The Human race has only one really effective weapon, and that is laughter"-Mark Twain
except the big difference with Roy
… is that we would have been a team that still had KG and would have been getting out of the first round again. Although Blount and Griffin would have been our big men, Casey actually got Blount to work for awhile, something that still baffles my mind.
Right now we are in a better spot, but wouldn’t have had to live through these last 4 years
by midlife crisis on Nov 26, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Roy + KG would have given us another window of opportunity to make a playoff run. We still would have had to make a key move to get a third good player in the mix, but those two would have been a hell of a tandem together.
by Rascal Flatts on Nov 26, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks, Dogpile
I too read that the reason we passed on Roy was because of injury concerns. It’s kind of ironic, since we’re one of the most snakebit teams out there with injuries. Don’t forget, it was Foye who missed significant time due to his injury, while Roy thrived and became an all star. Jefferson, Brewer, Flynn, Love, Webster…they all missed significant time due to injuries. Hopefully, the injury curse is over. Stay healthy, Wes!
let's not forget...
Good post.
K-Love is playing the better ball, this season. You’re right that Mayo got off to the better start. I don’t know what’s going on in Memphis, but if he’s on their bench I doubt he’ll be there for much longer. I’ve always appreciated Mayo’s two-way game and ability to handle the rock as an off-guard. I think he’d be a great addition for the Wolves… to continue the hoarding of 2008 draftees, I’d send them Wes and change for OJ.
So would I.
And part of me wonders if there might be something to that (although Wes duplicates Rudy Gay’s strengths pretty exactly, doesnt he?).
He seems to...
unless he’s handling the ball more for them than he used to. I haven’t seen much Memphis action this year.
Wes' D
Is already miles ahead of Mayo. I understand the handles issue, but you can teach and learn that. After four years, OJ is what he is.
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by erikanthony on Nov 28, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
After four years?
Mayo is in the early part of his 3rd NBA season. So, maybe he “is what he is” after 2 years. I strongly disagree that Wes’ D is better than Mayo’s let alone “miles ahead.”
Mayo is younger than Wes, so the “is what he is” comment is probably off-base.
Thanks, Andy
Wes for OJ? Hmmm. First time I heard that trade idea bandied about. It’s too soon to give up on Wes, though. I’m excited to see what he’ll become. He’s had to take a back seat to Beasley, so far, but I like his potential. Once he gets more shots in this offense, and the shots start dropping, he’ll make us a better team. It would be nice to have Mayo on our team, but I doubt Memphis is ready to part ways with him just yet. If so, what does that say about Mayo?
I doubt this will happen...
but it just seems like we’re full of 3’s without any real 2’s (other than Ellington, who is probably not worthy of a rotation spot, once Webster returns.)
I don’t worry about OJ’s size and I don’t believe him when he says he did the D-League thing because of guarding S-Jack… I think he wanted to steal Conley’s job, and it just didn’t work. I think he can play next to any point guard, and a rangy one like Rubio, with some defensive versatility, would make a good fit.
I’m pretty high on Wes, since I think he’s going to gain confidence in his scoring. Plus, he’s a sound defender and highlight machine. But, I think Mayo is probably the better player now, and in the future. (Without checking, I’m guessing Mayo is younger, as well.)
Wes has more upside than Mayo
With Mayo, he is pretty much what he will ever be. Good guy to have on the bench. Wes could develop into an all-star 2 or 3 in a couple of years.
Wes better start heating up soon
I see ROY boards, and Wes barely cracks the top 10, if that. We all think he can be a special player, but he needs to find his groove. When he’s on, no one has a silkier jumpshot. The trick for him is finding consistency.
Don't see Rambis liking Mayo
too short to guard the wing position, unlike Wes. If OJ could play point guard, he’s be a nice triangle PG like Derek Fisher.
I haven't written an insightful post in years.
That 2008 draft
keeps looking better and better.
I’m not sure I’d mind a Mayo-for-Wes-and-stuff trade, especially since Wes is six months older than Mayo. The 2008 draft theme could also be advanced once the Wolves inevitably trade a pedestrian point guard for Jason Thompson.
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One of my favorite moments of recent Wolves history..
…was when Fred Hoiberg came down to talk about the Mayo pick:
The media got fooled into thinking the Timberwolves rated Southern California guard O.J. Mayo and UCLA center Kevin Love even in ability, and that it was going to be tough to pick between them with the third overall choice in Thursday’s NBA draft.
Well, there never was any doubt. Wolves assistant general manager Fred Hoiberg verified Thursday night that Mayo was their choice all along.
Hoiberg said the Wolves never came close to making a trade. The truth of the matter is they think so much of Mayo that they wanted him on the team.
“Our people thought that Mayo had far more upside than Love,” Wolves owner Glen Taylor said. “And very important was the fact that Fred played for Tim Floyd at Iowa State, and we knew Floyd [who coached Mayo at Southern California] was going to give an honest scouting report on Mayo.”
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Chris Wallace must be getting a little grief from Grizz fans
He’s the guy who traded Pau to the Lakers for cap space, then traded Love to the Wolves and took on big contracts in the process. Trading away two of the best NBA big men in recent years can’t sit well with some fans, especially since they already had 3 guards on the roster when they traded for Mayo, and could have used Love’s inside presence. Here’s what Dime magazine had to say about the trade at the time:
This deal is mind-boggling from the Grizzlies perspective on two accounts. First, Love nicely addressed their glaring need for post scoring given that Kwame Brown and Darko Milicic collectively stink. His seal-the-defender baby hook could have done well when teams are forced to guard Rudy Gay and Miller at the arc.
I’m sure a lot of their fans were happy to get Mayo, but by all accounts, it appears the Wolves came away the big winners on that night.
And I smile yet again because of Darko
How much must the last week or so just really irritate other GMs in Orlando, Memphis, New York and Detroit? Poor Bastards.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 26, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
How could they all have been so wrong about Darko?
It boggles the mind how this poor guy has been treated his whole career up to this point. He must feel like he died and went to Heaven. He and Beasley have found new life in Minnesota, and have rejuvenated their careers. The only thing missing from this storybook season so far is the wins. And i’m sure it won’t be long before those start happening on a regular basis, starting Saturday. We’ll know we’re becoming a good team when we start beating the teams we’re supposed to beat.
my guess is
that there were a couple of things that were wrong. Cultural difference could be part, including his language skills when he came over and how his expectations of how things were supposed to work versus the teams he played on), playing style (given his abilities at the time his early coaches really tried to narrow his potential by focusing on a couple of things that he should do or he got benched) and lastly age.
Darko came over very young and combine that with any language barriers can lead to long term problems until someone comes along and gets on the same page with him. Sometimes no one knows how to really utilize skills that everyone could see there. Every player has an ideal role and not many teams play the style that Darko thrives in.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 26, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
FYI, Here's my initial reaction to the Love Mayo trade
Taken from a blog I used to post to in those days:
From: Mano 6/26/2008 10:09 pm
To: Randy (20 of 25)
5035.20 in reply to 5035.18
getting rid of Jaric and Walker works for me. We also get Miamis 2 2nd round picks next year in the Chalmers trade. Seems like they are planning to make a splash next year by shedding salaries, and getting a proven scorer in Miller, and they feel Love will be a great compliment to Jefferson. We still need a true center, someone to allow AL to slip over to the 4. You can’t judge this draft for a few years. Remember the Szerbiak/Avery fiasco? Little did we know at the time how fukked up that was. We knew McFail in charge of the draft is a no win proposition, as he has fukked up virtually every draft he’s had, except for the KG draft. I am willing to look for the positives. Love is going to be a very good player, IMO. and Miller already is. I feel your pain, though.
Mano
Edited 6/27/2008 1:50 am by manolive
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Whne Darko's perfomance gives us some wins
They may balk. So far, its just good numbers in loses.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy and loving Darko. But he’s a long way from making other GMs lament his loss.
The wins will come, my friend
They’re so close you can almost taste it. We’ve been on a roll the past 2 weeks now, We’ve lost 6 of our past nine games by an average of 7.5 points a game. Throw out the Laker loss and the OKC loss, and it drops to 4.5 points. We’re in every game now. Soon, we will start learning from our mistakes and start closing out these close games. And we’ll expect to win, instead of just the opposite.
I think so too
I think the team is still shaking out it’s roles and the pecking order. I honestly think a lot of the guys are still a little selfish, but they are getting their mojo going so that’s OK. The same will happen when Webster and Flynn come back. They are going to have to get themselves going first, and the give themselves up to the team. So each player can be confident as an individual, and then develop confidence in their teammates.
I know what you mean
Sometimes I watch and Ridnour or Beasley will be dribbling, and dribbling, and dribbling….whatever happened to the triangle mantra of if you have the ball for more than 2 seconds, you’ve held it too long? They need to move, move, move the ball, and then move it some more. They’ve got to reduce the one on ones and get everyone involved. Good things happen when you move the ball. I like Beasley’s ability to get to the rim, and I encourage it, but it has to come in the flow of the offense, not when he dribbles and runs into a sea of opposing players. He should listen to LeBron and get his teammates involved. I want to see some assists from him. Then we’ll know he’s making progress.
OK
was this strategy (get the Grizz to take Jaric and Walker) or Fred being usurped by McHale?
I haven't written an insightful post in years.
Always thought Love was the better player - vs mayo - plus had a good attitude
if Mayo was good he leaves for greener pastures when his rookie contract was up like Starbury…
getting rid of Jaric and other contracts was huge.
Miller also had value which we helped turned into Rubio. [If Miller didn’t have value why would Heat sign him.]
Wes is better than Mayo, better attitude, athleticism, height, and wants to play defense. Wes is a much better shooting Corey.
Corey will be traded at the trading deadline in Feb. since they can’t give him a “big money” long term deal.
Darko still hasn’t shown consistency, but has shown flashes. if he can play for a full season like he has played the last few games, I’ll call Kahn and Rambis geniuses….
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Nov 26, 2010 3:35 PM CST reply actions
Can you find a single link...
showing a report of Mayo’s less-than-entirely-professional attitude, since joining the Grizz?
Just curious — I hadn’t heard these knocks on him, before.
The article discussing his being benched, doesn't count?....lol
late for practice, unhappy with role…coach keeps him coming off bench as disciplinary measure.
Compare to Love, who came off the bench for most of 2 seasons, wasn’t happy about it, but showed up on time, worked hard etc, etc…..
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Nov 26, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
Mayo is a class act
Coach Lionel Hollins had this to say:
Hollins said his decision Wednesday to take guard O.J. Mayo out of the starting lineup is designed to give the team’s struggling bench scoring punch (sound familiar, Wolves fans?). Rookie Xavier Henry will start at shooting guard for the foreseeable future, although Hollins insisted the change isn’t permanent.
“It’s difficult when you make these kinds of decisions because everybody reads more into it than they should,” Hollins said. “I had a long talk with O.J. He’s fine and he’ll do well.”
Obviously O.J. wasn’t thrilled, but he came off as diplomatic:
“I just want it to be a winning decision,” Mayo said. “I don’t think anybody would be happy. I’m uncomfortable. But I’m a basketball player. I’m a professional. If it’s what’s best for the team, honestly, I’m definitely all for it. The team and winning are the priorities. I can put my feelings aside for what’s best for the team.”
Mayo seems to be a lot more substance over style
compared to how he was billed originally coming out of high school. He just seems like a solid pro.
by Rascal Flatts on Nov 26, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
He's an elite player
I don’t think he’s happy coming off the bench or only playing 23 minutes. This sounds like what Love went through last year.
I know that Mayo probably hasn't gotten enough credit in this thread
But I think calling him elite is a little too generous. He’s a very good to could-be-great player in my eyes. Possible All-Star, but not a guy I see making a bunch of them. I suppose my criteria for elite would be multiple-All Star/ franchise player/star types. His play and his stats don’t seem to put him in that tier yet.
I watched the Grizzlies play last night
and Xavier Henry looked very good with that first unit. I don’t think this demotion is entirely about Mayo being terrible or something. If anything, it might be more that Henry, as a slashing opportunistic scorer, fits better with the rest of the Grizz’s ball-dominating starting 5, while Mayo, who is better creating with the ball in his hands, can be the focal point of the bench offense. A stylistic different rather than a quality one, if you will.
by princelyfrank on Nov 27, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Mayo showed he might be better for the team coming off the bench
I don’t follow the Grizz, but it looks like the move paid dividends last night.
In fairness to Mayo
He’s got a couple of black holes on his team with Randolph and Gay. Not really fair to compare his numbers, when he’s not necessarily a focus of the offense. Love’s numbers are up these years because he’s a main cog on our team.
They are still too young to really judge. But I was in the “this trade is the medicine we need to take” camp, in that we unloaded really bad contracts. But I’m still undecided Love/Mayo… I will say I’m leaning towards Love these days.
The funny thing is, no one's talking about Love as a dominant player yet.
One national sports writer, I forget who, almost scoffed at his 30/30 game, and gave a plethora of excuses as to why it happened so easily, taking away from the accomplishment in the process. The thing is, if it was so easy, why hasn’t anyone else come close to doing it in 28 years? Then Love had a 30/20 game a week later, another rarity. And he’s showing consistency. He can score AND rebound with the best. How many 30 point games has Mayo had this season? Zero, I believe. He laid 29 on us, but that’s as close as he got. I’m not dissing Mayo, I just think KLove is a better player, who will get even better as time goes on. He’s really showing the folly of his limited minutes and coming off the bench the last 2 years. I can’t wait to see him play again.
You can't rewrite history
And assume that Love was better than Al or didn’t learn valuable lessons being on the bench. That may be the exact reason that he’s that good now. It may not have been a folly at all but a necessary growth curve.
I too am thrilled about the numbers guys have been putting up. But I’m more excited for games where not one players blows up, but rather 5 guys put up double digits and we win. I think the 30+ games out of guys are kind of imbalanced in the scoring load. Remember even Kobe and MJ had the numbers drop when they started playing more team ball, and started winning championships. I’m going to be most excited when Love, Bealey, and Darko all score 18-22 points and we win.
That will be the growth as a team that we need to do.
Rambis took a lot of criticism for not playing Love more
and for making him a bench player. No one liked it, especially Love. It was the first time in his life he was benched. I don’t think he learned anything from Big Al, as their games are totally diferrent. Rambis received even more criticism this year for limiting his starters minutes, including KLoves. KLove didn’t take off until he was given 30 plus minutes a game, as a starter. So I have to disagree with your claim that limiting Love may have been better for him. He’s just now getting the minutes he always deserved, and we are seeing the results and reaping the benefits. I agree we need to spread the scoring, but KLove gets a lot of his points in the flow of the offense. It’s not like he hogs the ball and jacks up shots all the time. When Beasley starts sharing the ball, and Wes becomes more involved, that’s when we’ll truly take off.
How can you assume Love would have been that good then?
He wasn’t in great shape, and his defense was really a hindrance to the team. He’s gotten better on both counts.
So the answer is to play him less?
No one got good riding the pine. You have to play to get better. More minutes = better shape, too.
Kind of
But there’s lessons to be taught. For example, I’m kind of pissed at Rambis for the benching of Beasley last game. Did Beasley play bad? Yes, but I feel like the team doesn’t really do much to get him going like they do with other players (Darko). And they needed him at the end of the game.
That said, maybe that was just the lesson that Beasley needed, so I have to reserve judgment until later.
That’s how I feel about Love. Yes I wanted to see him play more, but I trusted that there was some good reason. I think his current good play can be attributed to the growth he had. His shot is better, his defense is better, he’s even playing smarter. No doubt Love himself deserves a lot of that credit, but Rambis does too, IMHO. I just don’t think it’s logical to say, “See he was better all along.”
I guess the coaches have a better perspective than I do
seeing him play in practice every day. But I can’t help but notice how his game just took off once he got the minutes. Rambis limited him early in the year. Then when he finally stated playing him 35 minutes a game, he suddenly became the toast of the town. Coincidence? I think not. Would he have been this good if he were the starter and Jefferson came off the bench? We’ll never know, but it would have been nice to try different things, instead of rolling out the same old starting lineup game after game and losing almost every one. Once Rambis settles on a lineup, he very rarely changes it. Witness the 82 games Brewer started last year. I have no doubt who will start Saturday night. I only hope Telfair is available for more minutes, because we really need a true point guard in there.
I'm hoping Telfair is back too
This team really needs a pass-first PG, and Bassy has been our best PG. Maybe Flynn can grow into that role, but really Rubio is absolutely perfect for this team. Hope he realizes that too.
I hear ya about Love. Certainly seems like he was ready for the minutes and has thrived. And for both he and Darko, I’m looking forward to them later in the season when they really are used to playing those minutes. Not doing too shabby right already. ;)
it really depends on why his minutes increased
was if because Love was doing what Rambis requested? Or was it just a change of opinion for Ramis and there was no change in action/demeanor from Love like many speculated Rambis wanted? To me this is the key to judging the change. If it was a Rambis proven wrong because he just changed his mind and it worked…even though a lot of people were calling for it, then it is valid criticism of him. If Love showed Rambis whatever the hell he was asking for, then Rambis’s gambit worked and Love blew up. Either way judging this requires us to make a rather large assumption. Tread lightly and with clarity.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 27, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Or Barton Fink's more sanguine brother?
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
Now that you mention it
Rambis did say that he would give minutes to the players who earned it. He demanded more out of Love, such as getting back on D, taking charges, doing the little things. Apparently, Love got the message and is doing the things Rambis demanded, so Rambis rewarded him with more playing time. at least, that’s what one would assume happened. But looking closer, many people on this site were questiong why the minutes were being distributed among so many players, instead of giving more to the starters. When Rambis finally gave 30+ minutes to all the starters, that’s when the whole team started playing better. I guess you could say that Canis Hoopus is responsible for the teams better play of late. Good job, guys!
You're right about comparing the numbers of 2 completely different players
Just like the Wes/DMC comparison, the numbers will never match because they play different positions. Mayo will never be the rebounder Love is, but he used to score as much. This year Mayo’s numbers are down, while Loves are up. I guess you just have to look at each players impact on their team. Right now, Love is having a greater impact, and probably will for the rest of their respective careers. In that regard, Love comes out on top again.
Good Post.
I think McHale took K-Love because he reminded him so much of himself. Both were/ are power forwards; both were/are crafty, utilizing smarts to overcome their physical deficiencies; and both, and this cannot be overstated, are named Kevin!
Love > Mayo. And it’s not even close.
lol. Thanks Daniel-Son
McHales had pretty good luck drafting Kevins. Too bad he couldn’t get his hands on Durant, too.
But since you’re making comparisons, we could have the makings of another Celtics dynasty here.
McHale=Love
Parrish=Darko
Bird=Beasley
Johnson=Johnson
Ainge=Rubio
OK, we so need a little work, but the potential is there. Hey, why not?
I'm with you Mano
I mean…why not?
The Bird/Beasley comparison is hilarious though.
BTW: I am watching the GSW/MEM game and Mayo hasn’t played yet, end of the first quarter; Xavier Henry is playing his minutes @ the 2. And GSW is not good, sort of explosive in a video game sort of way, but not good. The Wolves should pick up win # 5 tomorrow with GSW playing back-to-back.
Yeah, that was Bird's team, for sure
He was one of those once in a generation type players (twice, if you include Magic). I don’t think Beasley is there just yet. He just needs to learn how to pass the ball better, and he’ll be OK. But yes, he’s no Larry Bird.
Wow! He hasn't played yet?
Is Xavier Henry that good? I think some of us were thinking we could get DMC and pick up a 2, maybe Xavier, later in the draft. Mayo only played 23 minutes his last game. if I were him, I’d be somewhat concerned.
I didn't necessarily mean...
…comparing Bird and Beasley as players, but more so as people: Beasley from inner-city DC and Bird from French Lick; tattoo’d versus clean-cut; loud versus subdued; explosive versus calculated. That sort of thing.
Mayo has started to play in the second quarter, hitting some long jumpers and whatnot. But Xavier has looked good, especially for only being 19. In any case, glad we didn’t take DMC and risk the legitimate NBA talent that is Wes Johnson.
Mayo is on fire, scoring 10 points on 5-6 shooting
I’m watching and he’s looking good. Steph Curry, too. They said Curry set the record last year for 3’s made by a rookie. He’s 3-4 already today. Lukbastien will have their hands full tomorrow.
Yeah
tomorrow will be front court vs back court. Ellis and Curry could score a lot, but the Wolves should get it back from the forwards and Darko. The one thing I really admire with GSW is the ball movement. When do we ever see the Wolves move the ball like that? And passing to cutters, when do we get that going?
Their supposed to do just that
I’m not sure why Rambis doesn’t crack down on that. There seems to be a lot of one on one play. Westboork has 39 points tonight, and the Thunder leads the Pacers by 3 in OT with 8 secs to go. And Dunleavy nails a 3 to tie it! 3 secs to go.
Good point.
Is Wes going to start on Curry? That GSW back court is mighty small, which could be an advantage, or possibly, a disadvantage, if Wes and Brew can score in the paint and hit the offensive rebounds. But I agree, Ridnour and Bassy will need to play well for the Wolves to win.
It's funny how guys always hate getting the dreaded 6th man role
I think for a scorer it’s got the be the best role there is. Come in and and just go to town.
Jamal Crawford. Ginobili. It’s just perfect. Just start scoring the minute you come in.
It’s always feel like the first quarter is for the big men to get going anyway. Mayo may come to like that role.
We’ll need a legit 6th man. Who’s it gonna be… Webster or Wes? Maybe Flynn next year.
Ideally
PG: Rubio
SG: Wes Johnson
SF: Mike Beasley
PF: K-Love
C: Center.
Bench: Flynn, Webster, Pek, Ridnour, Brew (?)
IMHO
I agree about Mayo. Coming in the game knowing what is expected of you is important, and maybe Mayo will be a legit 6th man. But if that’s the case: a “Jamal Crawford-type” (meaning Mayo) versus Kevin Love? I will take Love all day.
if by center you mean Darko
:)
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Nov 27, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
No need for three point guards in a 10 man rotation.
Substitute an AT type player and thats a good rotation.
What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your entire rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Nov 27, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Forgot about AT
Good call. Someone needs to take those charges!
If Mayo devolves intoa sixth man
then that was a very bad trade for the Griz. even so, when every one expected him to be a very solid pro, a certain staff writer for this site posted an article calling the trade “Highway Robbery,” at the time. and I agreed then, and still do.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
Moving Jaric's Deal is Under-rated
People often forget that moving Jaric’s contract was a big win for us as well. When MEM was paying Jaric his $7.6 mil, we got to clear that much in cap space.
If you wanted to play fast and loose here, you could say that this OJ Mayo trade brought us:
1. Love
3. Beasley (with the Jaric cap space)
3. Darko (Cardinal trade got him interested in us),
4. half of Rubio.
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