GameThread #54: @ Pistons
by wyn on Feb 16, 2010 6:30 PM CST
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Minnesota Timberwolves at Detroit Pistons, Feb 16, 2010 6:30 PM CST
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While the NBA world is still recovering from the All-Star Game hangover and preoccupied with trade chatter, today's the day that teams get back to the regular season.
Tonight, while you consider the costs and benefits of acquiring Tyrus Thomas, the Wolves will be in Detroit.
Detroit Bad Boyscan't believe the Silverdome was sold for less than $600,000.
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Why WOULD anyone do that?
Terrible in every facet.
by College Wolf on Feb 16, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Very winnable game
Just don’t let Ben Gordon go off, and the Pistons will probably struggle to reach 90 points tonight
He's kinda like a Randy Fote on steroids.
Ben Wallace anyone?
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Uuuhhh let's play some defense here....
Only shots the Pistons are missing are Ben Wallace’s free throws…
Any streams?
ATDHE and US Stream is black; password protected too.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
atdhe is up
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
I'm there
just not getting the stream. Link is fine, but it just shows US stream/atdhe in the upper right-hand corner. No picture. Requests password if I click on US Stream link. Oh well.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Indeed
I would hate to have our game wrap be lutefisk instead of Korean.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Here's a question
How many points could a prime Wilt put up on the wolves?
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
Jefferson yet again
could have drawn a foul on that up and under move he short-armed. He’ll never learn how to draw fouls effectively.
Jawai with the brilliant move down low
and then misses the layup..
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 6:58 PM CST reply actions
Two fouls on Al
We’re thin, that’s who we got.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
I think this guy has some promise
Until Hollins had his 2.5 games of brilliance (which has quickly faded….), I wanted Jawai to get his minutes.
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 16, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Sessions
Boy, the gap between him and Flynn seems to be getting wider with every game lately.
I don't see any gap.
I see a bullet pass that Love barely saved, an airball on a finger roll attempt, more missed free throws, and the same disorganized defense.
Ick I just puked a little...
Anyone watching FSN knows why.
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 7:09 PM CST reply actions
Anybody know a good link?
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 16, 2010 7:20 PM CST reply actions
http://www.atdhe.net/13476/watch-minnesota-timberwolves-vs-detroit-pistons
If that’s what you meant. It comes and goes, just hit reload if it goes black.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
How many times has Love been to the locker room
during a game this year now?
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 7:22 PM CST reply actions
He's like the kid from grade school
who goes to the nurse as often as possible just to get out of class.
Not his fault though; he plays a style that is very conducive to getting hit in the face.
This one wasn't as bad though
he’s back already.
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Cool, but...
What assets does Charlotte have to offer? All their best players have bad long term deals, they don’t have too many young guys, and we own their pick.
+1
Chandler has negative value. Augustin plays the same position as Nash, and Dragic has shown just as much promise as a potential replacement.
I've learned...
…to never say the Suns won’t do anything. If they’re looking to cut costs and flip assets, this could work for them.
How many years does Chandler have left though?
I know it’s a few and he isn’t worth the money.
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
Actually just one
A player option I think. So this would cut costs for the suns by a little over $2 million this year, and either $12 million next year, or they have a very valuable trade asset.
Obviously this would make them far less competitive though
But it doesn't really cut costs
Chandler is owed $12.6 million next year, and he’s approaching 30 and constantly injured. I feel like a similarly sized expiring contract would be way more preferable.
The only other expiring they're being offered...
…is Ilguaskus’. So not much of a difference in the situation. It just comes down to whether they like Augustin or Hickson more.
Although if they really cared about winning, they’d be all over the Heat’s offer. The fact they aren’t kinda tells me they’re thinking money, not wins.
The only *other* expiring?
Who is the first expiring? Certainly not Chandler. He’s an expiring the same way Eddy Curry is.
So it comes down to whether they like Augustin and paying an extra $12.6 million next season or Hickson. I’m going to go ahead and say this Charlotte idea has no legs.
It's getting reported on local TV in NC I guess
So it sounds like more than just speculation.
I guess it’s mainly a point of teams not always doing the “logical” thing. Hickson gives them something to build with now. Chandler gives them something to trade with later, plus Augustin.
I mean, again, if they wanted wins, they’d take Beasley from the Heat. Same thing as the Cleavland deal, except a better player.
Are we certain that the Heat really offered Beasley?
I wouldn’t be so sure
by Eric in Madison on Feb 16, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
From what Ford and Stein are saying, Beasley is on the table
But for some reason, the Suns don’t want him. Maybe they’re worried about his off court trouble…? I dunno. But the offer I’ve seen most places is Beasley, Haslem, and some combination of minor expirings and draft picks.
I think there’s a couple deals out there that don’t include Beasley too….everyone is saying the Heat are going all out on this, so my guess is they’ll deal anyone on the roster except Wade if that’s what it takes.
That's true.
It’s not always completely logical. If the Beasley offer is legitimate, they’d be crazy to go for one centered around Hickson or Augustin.
Beasley is bat shit crazy. Lots of potential, but that psyche is always going to be a problem. I don’t know if I would take that risk.
There are a billion trade threads.
Can we keep this thread about the actual game?
The nice thing about SportsNation comment boards
Is that they keep replies on the same topic clustered together, making them easy to find if you want to read them, and easy to ignore if you don’t. There’s nothing wrong with finding something interesting to talk about during halftime.
Anyway, Beasley has way way way more trade value than Hickson and Augustin, character issues or not.
They better make a run at Jersey...
..they’ve been down most of the night. Hard to sell a blockbuster if you lose at home to the Nets.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
It is astonishing
He was in the restricted area on those last two shots and failed to even jump. Somebody tell that guy he can jump really high and is really tall.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
He does have the one arm flail thing down pat though
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 16, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
WTF is he doing with the other arm anyway?
Someone tell him he can use both hands to go up and get a rebound. That’s not illegal.
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 16, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'd settle for jumping...
…at least once in a while.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
It's tough to jump AND raise both arms at the same time these days.
Sheesh, what do you expect from the guy!?
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 16, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Flynn
really does have good vision and facilitation skills in the open court. I think that’s a sign that he can get there in the half-court too.
I think he'd be a lot better...
…if someone could just get him to settle down. He tries to force a lot of stuff, rather than letting the game come to him and taking what the defense gives him.
Detroit is better than their record.... they were missing a bunch of players for much of the season...
They look closer to a .500 team, than their record shows….
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Feb 16, 2010 7:33 PM CST reply actions
Pistons are going to be shooting some free throws is practice tomorrow
This is hilarious. Or sad. Or both…
Is it just me...
..or are we looking like the SSOL Suns? Seems like Flynn is in constant attack mode and not setting up the triangle – but he logged 14 minutes so Rambis likely isn’t against it. I wonder if they’ve re-emphasized pace and unleashed Jonny a little bit? Play triangle with Ramon and Al and run like hell with Flynn and our ‘shooters’.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
When did we get shooters and where are they?
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
No Phil Jackson team has ever run the triangle 100% of the time. I remember hearing Jackson say he runs it 60% of the time. It is just a way to get every player involved in the offense, especially role players that can get their own shot. Rambis and Kahn wants to take the easy buckets in transition, so they push the ball as much as they can. They also want to take use some isos to take advantage of Jefferson’s scoring ability on the block. It is about being flexible.
I get it, but
there seems to be a distinct shift. Not sure we ever get into the triangle with Jonny.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
Both PGs are pushing the pace
I like how the offense is flowing tonight.
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 16, 2010 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody ever notice...
The +/- on ESPN’s box scores is completely unreliable while the game is in progress.
Easy example, it’s halftime, the score is tied. Either Flynn or Sessions was in the game the entire time, while never being on the court together, as evidenced by their minutes played (15 + 9 = 24). Flynn has a -3, and Sessions has a +1. Where’d the extra +2 go?
Yahoo's boxscores don't have that issue.
They also refresh play-by-play. Theirs says -3 for Flynn, +3 for Sessions.
Yeah, Yahoo is solid.
I really dislike using ESPN for anything more than unintentionally hilarious polls.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Feb 16, 2010 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
I use ESPN for college and Yahoo for pro
Yahoo’s college box score isn’t even a complete box score until the game is over. What’s with that!?
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 16, 2010 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Haven't you ever been elbowed in the mouth?
You ALWAYS fly backwards! It’s just like getting kicked in the chest by Van Damme. Physics, man.
Indeed
call him the big lutefisk then. or the white herring.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Someone needs to take Jaberko out.
I’m getting a little tired of this guy.
He seems to be getting a little careless with them lately
Not sure if he’s overconfident on his ability or what, but I’ve noticed the same thing
Jerebko should be playing soccer...
with his ability to flop. I mean, c’mon, it’s Ryan Hollins—no way the dude can bench more than 100 pounds
no way the dude can bench more than 100 pounds
More like the bar.
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
What is with the passing?
just tuned in and have seen some of the worst passing ever. no hyperbole here either.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
mmmmm
Hyperbole
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 16, 2010 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
The Wolves' ability to turn it over
is turning the league’s second slowest team into the Showtime Lakers. Turnovers, fine, but why is it always the turnovers that lead to uncontested dunks for the other team?
I love how Hollins picks up three fouls in 2 minutes
Replacing him with a player his type who will actually rebound and not foul out might be the best argument we have for acquiring Ty Thomas
And most of the T-Wolves fan base cheers...
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Season note:
He’s now got 2 more fouls than rebounds on the year. I’m keeping track of the horse race.
PF: 142
Reb: 140
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Hey, we just doubled our total for the quarter.
The sky’s the limit. Assuming that ‘the sky’ equates to 10 points.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Feb 16, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
It's obvious that we've turned the corner here.
Unfortunately, we were at the intersection of Bad and Awful.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Feb 16, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
I recall Bush saying something similar about the economy a couple years ago
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
10 points.
Mission Accomplished.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Feb 16, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
what a run there
after 2 points in the first half of the quarter, 10 is pretty good.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
We might even score 20 in the fourth.
Then we could actually look like an NBA franchise.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Feb 16, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
they looked more than pathetic in the third
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Nets up 6, 6 minutes to go
Could it be?
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
Kris Humpries leading them in rebounding,
Minnesota Pride..
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 16, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Gerald Wallace
His extreme lethargy over All-Star weekend must have carried over into the real games.
4 points in 7 minutes
they should all have their pay docked
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Kevin Love bank shots
Add this to the list of random stats I wish we could easily reference, I can’t recall ever seeing Kevin Love convert a bank shot jumper. I wonder what his percentage is.
flynn is so bad...
I created an account so I could share my displeasure with his ability to run a pick and roll. I’ll bet rubio can make a pass to the 4 off a pick and roll. I’d also like to believe that rubio makes easy passes on fast breaks to reward guys for running the floor. Also, its likely that he was drafted more for his skills than his charisma. I’ll wait for ricky, if it is promised that flynn is expected to be no more than a jason terry type. When I started this, it was a tied game. Huh.
by shane heal the world on Feb 16, 2010 8:18 PM CST reply actions
the on-court lethargy is infecting us all
by secretarykissinger on Feb 16, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Hey!
That took forever to post, and then where’d the punchline go? Now I just look like a slow-typing, jokeless hypocrite.
Rambis has had this garbage line-up out for almost all of the 3rd...
And he just let the game slip away from us. Why aren’t we seeing Jefferson, Brewer, and/or Flynn check back in? How long do we have to go without scoring a basket before Kurt decides to put somebody who can score on the court?
look on the bright side, at least you weren’t watching it!
by secretarykissinger on Feb 16, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Is Rambis punishing the starters or the bench?
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
re: 20 minutes
Droid keypad, felton spencer’s thumbs.
by shane heal the world on Feb 16, 2010 8:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Felton Spencer
So you fell down twice while typing it out, too?
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Al, what the hell?
His man just left him to double Wilkins about 6 feet from the basket. Instead of diving to the hoop, Big Al stood out of bounds waiting for a pass.
Barring 2 miracles..
..we’re only up 7.5 games on them tonight. Poor bastards.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
Motion for having Swedish on game wrap menu this evening.
All in favor say “ja”
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
I'd like to see Jefferson and love together...
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Feb 16, 2010 8:30 PM CST reply actions
It's Phoenix...
…shouldn’t they throw in a couple first rounders? We aren’t a charity and Wilkins is about as useful as Thomas was.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
Player Development
He needs to get minutes to reach his full potential
I don't think a 'D' belongs anywhere in a description of what's happened tonight
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
well
it iS the last letter in “putrid”
by secretarykissinger on Feb 16, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Unless you meant 'zoned D'
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
United we suck
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
If someone takes out Love's knee, it's all your fault.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Feb 16, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Just saw Clippers waived Ricky Davis
Wolves need help on the wing, bring him back and relive the memories/glory days. Could even have Blount show up for the reunion!
detroit showed a little of the old detroit tonight.....good passing...
they have better talent than their record shows…
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Feb 16, 2010 8:42 PM CST reply actions
I should stop saying any game is winnable for us
I always underestimate our ability to not play defense
textbook execution of the fast break
by secretarykissinger on Feb 16, 2010 8:44 PM CST reply actions
Can we get Yi Jianlan's folding chair in...
…you know for the defensive presence.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
Another evening of good company, bad hoops
I’m going to free up some bandwidth here.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Has anyone else ever had that experience
where the stream you’re watching freezes just as a pass is going to Corey Brewer’s man at the top of the key and Brewer is in mid-sprint trying to get back to him from somewhere in the paint?
And do you dare to dream that when the live picture comes back you’ll see Corey with the ball, streaking to the other basket for a climate-changing dunk?
And then the stream resumes and we’re down by two more points.
Anyone else?
My favorite is when a Wolf goes up for a terrible shot and it freezes
and comes back just in time for the fast break dunk the other way. Classic.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
No, but...
excellent descriptive language. You really put me in the scene and allowed me to experience it for myself.
Or the stream comes back
and Brian Cardinal is in the game?!
by I.M. Fletcher on Feb 16, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Holy crap Brian...
..have another donut.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
Kwame didn't even make a cut there
It was literally just “Chucky Atkins, standing at the top of the key, passes to Kwame Brown, being guarded by Brian Cardinal. Kwame Brown dunks.”
Pavlovic and Jawai only players with a + rating tonight
If only they had an opportunity to play 40 minutes a night together. They would make beautiful music. Reminds me of Kobe and Gasol, in that they’re also basketball players who play in the NBA
by Son of Gerald Green on Feb 16, 2010 8:55 PM CST reply actions
Dude, enough with the fricking whistling
Somebody throw a beer at that guy
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
These dunks are better than the dunk contest
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
At least the Grizzlies and the Sixers Got or are Getting Blown Out
I could see the Grizzlies giving up on this season and moving Rudy Gay now, so they don’t have to take on as much money at the trade deadline and hopefully the Sixers make Iguodala available. I would love to see those wings with Brewer coming off the bench.
I think Miami says 'No.'
They could sign an Amare, Bosh, or Boozer in the offseason without having to take on Curry’s contract. New York isn’t contributing enough value to the deal to justify moving Curry anyway. Jordan Hill just isn’t that good, and the insurance savings on Mobley’s contract don’t mean as much when they’re only 1/3 of a season.
Amare has a ETO, so he could stay in Phoenix if he wants to.
Bosh is a player option although I don’t think he’ll stay in Toronto.
Well yeah, they might not either
But bear in mind what their fans say and what their owner says are two different things. I don’t think any Phoenix fan wants to see them dump Amare for peanuts, but every trade scenario is based on the premise that they would do so. Getting out of the last year of Richardson’s contract isn’t a particularly good return for an All-Star big man, but I at least saw the logic of it.
The real issue is that New York is contributing negative value overall. I like the idea of combing the Amare and T-Mac rumors, but the trade would nonetheless work better with New York phased out of it.
hollins shouldn't be starting - start Jawai if you don't want to start Love.
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Feb 16, 2010 9:04 PM CST reply actions
Was gone for awhile
so I didn’t see Wolves win a few in a row. I saw where Hollins had nice numbers, how?
He played well against the Clippers, Knicks, and Mavs.
The Clippers didn’t have Kaman. The Knicks are similar to the Wolves in that they play no defense and are lazy on offense a lot. Against the Mavs, he was mostly matched up against Dirk who settles for jumpers and didn’t abuse Hollins down low.
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