Breaking: Knicks agree to trade Darko to Wolves for Cardinal (link forthcoming)
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I’M RELATIVELY INDIFFERENT TO THIS TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by nja700 on Feb 17, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahahahah
Loving the caps mocking
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 17, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
If NY can include Cardinal's expiring in a deal with Houston
this makes sense, but I hope Kahn took his old friend Donnie Walsh for a free pick or two in the process.
30 days.........
Won't someone think of the ping pong balls?
Kurt Rambis - stop this insanity!
by Auswolf on Feb 17, 2010 5:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Meantime,
He can live up to his nicknames and keep church basement gyms swept up for the month off.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Right, before he returns to the woofs...
…and dusts the rafters, which will need cleaning after we draft John Wall…
Here's what ESPN says:
The New York Knicks have a deal in principle to send Darko Milicic to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Brian Cardinal, two sources with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com on Wednesday.
Milicic
The two sides have yet to formally complete the trade and have a trade call scheduled for Thursday morning. Assuming nothing changes overnight, the deal should be officially consummated in the morning.
The trade will save the Knicks $1.8 million and give the Wolves a center to audition for the rest of the season. Milicic has been mired at the end of Mike D’Antoni’s bench for months and has publicly said he’s likely to return to Europe to play basketball when his contract expires this summer.
The Knicks plan to waive Cardinal in an attempt to clear another roster spot to facilitate a potential deal that would send Nate Robinson to Boston.
GOODBYE JANITOR!!
Never will we miss a truly bad player as much we will miss you.
(Asst. Coaching gig next season? Have your people call our people.)
Not so soon. . .
If the Knicks waive him, we can resign him! I’m starting a “Bring Back El Hanitor!” movement right now . . .
Mostly a lateral move
To those who say ‘Nooooo!!!’, I say, ‘Why not?’ At it’s worst this trade is, hmmmm…., a swap of expirings? A swap of two players getting minimal burn? I guess I don’t really see a downside, with the upside being that we get a free look at a guy, assuming that they actually play him (ahem, Tucker, ahem).
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Knicks fans...
are shocked that we wouldn’t include Rubio’s rights in this one.
by LoveTo on Feb 17, 2010 5:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
True
Very true.
And for more kicks, check out this excerpt from a Ford piece from 2003 when Chad went to Yugoslavia to see and interview the then 17 year old Darko:
Milicic, who stands 7-foot and carries a solid 245 pounds, is tough to pin down [as for player comps]. He’s still too young to play for the national team, so he hasn’t had much opportunity to work with Divac or Peja Stojakovic. He knows them and respects them, but he doesn’t try to be them. He is his own player. Comparisons quickly escape him. Is he Gasol? No, he’s much stronger. Is he Nowitzki? Again, he’s stronger and a much more physical player. Maybe Sabonis? He laughs and puts his head in his hands.
So who exactly are you, Darko Milicic?
“I like Kevin Garnett,” Milicic begins. “He plays like Yugoslavian players play, with heart.”
The Garnett reference isn’t surprising if you spend much time with any of the young European bigs. Vlade is the great grandfather. Peja is the father. They have paved the way. But Yugoslavians today don’t just watch Kings games. They like the ferocity and versatility that Garnett displays on a nightly basis. They love a guy who scores 22 points, grabs 13 boards and still has time to dish out six assists.
If Darko had any whisper of KG in him, then what in the hell happened? Did he get Wittmanned, or was he just overrated to begin with? I hope he gets Hollins’ minutes because at the very least it will be something new to watch for a few games on this team.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
And Ford on Darko more recently
Taking a bust in the lottery can have devastating effects on teams. Here’s a look at 10 of the worst draft picks from the past decade, virtually all of whom have one thing in common: A team swung for the upside fence and ended up striking out.
1. Darko Milicic, Detroit Pistons, No. 2 overall in 2003
Darko Milicic’s name will live in infamy forever in Detroit and on my Wikipedia page. Milicic was a supertalented 17-year-old Serbian big man and was known as an athletic, 7-foot-1 forward who could play in the paint and shoot it from the perimeter. I traveled all the way to Serbia with a number of NBA scouts to see him in November 2002, and we were all wowed by his skill-to-size ratio. An amazing workout in front of Pistons GM Joe Dumars and me in New York the day before the NBA draft lottery convinced us both that he would be a star. Longtime Pistons scout Will Robinson (the guy who discovered Dumars and Grant Hill) compared him to a young Wilt Chamberlain. The Pistons were so enthralled that they ended up drafting Milicic ahead of Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade.
Alas, just a few months after getting drafted, Milicic’s name became more punch line than legend. Pistons coach Larry Brown had no need for him on his NBA championship team. Milicic would play only in blowouts or at the end of games, and fans anointed him the Human Victory Cigar. During his third season in the league, the Pistons gave up on him and traded him to Orlando for a future first-round pick.
Milicic began to show some promise in Orlando alongside Dwight Howard, but Orlando decided to go in a different direction when Milicic hit free agency. Then he signed with the Grizzlies, expecting significant playing time. It never happened. He now earns regular DNPs at the end of the New York Knicks’ bench and has recently indicated that he wants to return to Europe next year — ending his NBA career and sealing his destiny as the bust of the decade.
I think I need help. I keep reading this stuff and thinking that maybe we could help him, maybe if he actually got PT he could become something useful. Maybe all he needs is the kind of chance Flynn is getting, the kind of chance on the court never granted to him. Oi..Guess my delusions are what make me a Wolves fan, right? :)
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Enjoy it
because this is the only move that will come out of our “valuable” expirings.
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 17, 2010 5:24 PM CST reply actions
I'd enjoy getting Gay
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 17, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be content
if he were a hybrid of one of Wilt’s socks and Olawakandi.
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 17, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
It's hard to overstate the brilliance of this manuever
by Eric in Madison on Feb 17, 2010 5:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
That's the thing
It isn’t impossible. It’s just too hard for me to summon
by Eric in Madison on Feb 17, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Hahahahahaha
This thread is comic gold. You can barely cut the sarcasm with a chain saw.
I predict Rambis will state “He is picking things up pretty quickly” and “He is surprisingly light on his feet for his size”.
The sad thing is that I would not be surprised if he goes from the end of NYC’s bench to our starting lineup within a week. How hard is it really to do more than Hollins. Grab two boards and block a shot and you’re right there.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 17, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Starting lineup -- I was thinking so too.
What the heck; who’s a better player right now, Ryan Hollins or Darko? Huh?
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Darko is only 24!
That is why Kahn did this….this gives the Wolves a chance to see another 7 footer in the triangle with Love or Jefferson. If Darko plays well, maybe he will reconsider his decision to go back to Europe.
Or we can just bring Europe to him
with Rubio and Pek (let’s not worry about positions right now).
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
How many teams has Darko been on now?
And Rambis and the magical triangle will make him better? Doubt it. But, I’ll keep my fingers crossed.
How many teams has Darko gotten any PT on?
I think Rambis & Laimbeer could really help him b/c again, he is only 24. He fits a need and well, he can’t be worse than Hollins.
I really hope he finally gets a shot....
…he has been trying to live the “biggest bust of the decade” thing for a while now and really I don’t expect anything out of him b/c we gave up nothing to get him. But look at how he did in Orlando when he got 20 minutes a game…. if he gives us anywhere near 8-5 + 2 blocks a game I would be ecstatic.
My gut says he will do well
I hope he gets a shot.
Ya
If he could only convert at a little bit higher percentage he’d be looking pretty solid. Next to Al and Love I hope he focuses on realizing that 2.5-3.5 blocks/36 minutes he’s capable of.
It’s funny, but if we were a playoff team this move would probably look pretty good because we’d have a legit 7 footer who isn’t a complete stiff to go up against Bynum, Pau, Oden, Yao, Nene, etc. Certainly a dramatic upgrade from Hollins and Jawai.
And because it’s trade time (the time to let your imagination run wild with possibilities!) I can almost see what Kahn is thinking: imagine Darko getting around 16-20 minutes a night, focusing mostly on defense, shot blocking, and rebounding – basically consistently giving us what Hollins tries to do on a nightly basis – and decides he’s willing to stay here for a few more seasons. Kahn then brings Pek over next summer. Avoiding the obvious big man logjam, the Wolves could then pair Al with Darko/Hollins/(luxury young big man draft pick with tons of upside because we have Darko to hold down the fort) depending on matchups, with Love and Pek as great options off the bench or (in Love’s case) in the starting lineup. That’s some pretty solid depth and ability amongst your bigs.
So here’s what I’m inferring Kahn is thinking/experimenting with in this lineup. Is it highly mobile? Not really. Is it legitimate in size and length? Certainly a lot more than it was – Darko has great size, Hollins/rookie the length and hops for the Dirks/LMAs, and Pek ain’t exactly small (neither is Al). Will this lineup still have issues with guys like Oden or Bynum? Maybe. But who doesn’t? Short of having D. Howard everyone will have issues. What this lineup can do is bruise and bruise and bruise opposing teams. What we’d lack in elite talent we’d make up for in sheer low post physicality dominance in both our starting and second units. Give this group some high caliber perimeter players/shooters (Rubio to create for these guys or a couple shooters) and this squad suddenly looks pretty dangerous after a couple more seasons.
Ahhhh….it’s good to dream, ain’t it?
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 17, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Every time
he trades for a disinterested expiring he gets a cookie from Glen Taylor.
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 17, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Darko was picked before Wade or Carmelo.
Therefore, Darko has more potential than DWade. Wow, great pickup!
by princelyfrank on Feb 17, 2010 5:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So is there a new subplot for this offseason
Stay Darko!
Won't someone think of the ping pong balls?
Kurt Rambis - stop this insanity!
by Auswolf on Feb 17, 2010 5:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
More fuel for Bill Simmons.
Mark my goddamn words. “Bumbling Timberwolves GM David Kahn has now had the brilliant idea to…”
So TheH
What stocks you like ;)
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 17, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
The man moves quickly. I can’t believe I used to really, really enjoy his NBA columns.
I was thinking the same thing.
Can’t wait for that.
“If you’ve already taken a dump on your fan base by screwing up the Rubio pick, and you have a chance to make up for it by adding the biggest draft bust of the decade, you have to do it.
The NBA: Where David Kahn happens.
Timberwolves fans will now light themselves on fire.
My buddy House and I were talking about this trade, and he made a great joke. ’Isn’t Darko European? And isn’t Rubio European? Man, David Kahn likes Europeans!’"
Did I cover them all?
by LoveTo on Feb 17, 2010 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Now that shit...
… is just plain spooky. Color me impressed. Throw in one Vegas story, just for me?
You don't know the power of the Darko side
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 17, 2010 5:44 PM CST reply actions
It's going to be harder than h*@#
for him to rip his T Wolves jersey hulk-style, what with the triple re-inforced goofy neckline.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 17, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
I still insist that its a nice marketing maneuver
some good press for the Wolves even if Darko does leave after this season. The MN Timberwolves was the only team he enjoyed playing for? You don’t think someone from Europe will hear that? Maybe even 2 people?
Let's try to keep him
from having any profanity-laced tirades about how he’s going to sexually assault anyone while he’s here. That might be a bad marketing maneuver.
It’s not good PR, anyway. Watch even the reporters try to get him to shut up on that old tape, you know?
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
After Stojko Vrankovic?
I think he’s already there.
by princelyfrank on Feb 17, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Nope, but 2nd best center????
I’d say it’s a lock.
It other Trades
The Wizards have Traded Antwan Jamison to the Cavaliers as part of the 3 team deal, Wizards receive Zydrunus Illgauskus, Al Thornton, Brian Skinner and the Cavs First round pick. the Clippers recieve Drew Gooden, and the Cavs receive Jamison and Sebastian Telfair.
Nice trade for the Cavs
provided Jamison ages OK. Z will probably be back in 30 days. #29-30 pick for a backup PG and good PF.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 17, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
And they keep Hickson....
… wow that’s a pretty nice deal for them.
The NBA
where trade rape happens.
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 17, 2010 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
He musta slipped those guys one of those drugs...
…wait til they wake up tomorrow
Darko: “Oh my god. Where am I?”
Kahn: “Welcome to the Land of 10,000.”
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 17, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Why do the Clippers make this trade?
I guess they already wanted to get rid of Telfair, but Thornton’s not bad, actually. I little clueless, like all Clippers, but he’s superathletic and can really finish. For Drew Gooden? Weird.
by princelyfrank on Feb 17, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
They did just get Outlaw....
… that kinda makes Thornton expendable.
They are buying out Gooden
So you give up Thorton to avoid paying him and get rid of Telfair’s contract.
Yikes.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 17, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Max cap space
Thornton stinks, Telfair carries 2011 salary, and Blake and Outlaw can replace them both while expiring at the end of the year.
How funny would it be if...
…they used that cap space to get lebron? Not going to happen but it would definitely be funny.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 17, 2010 7:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also, the Wizards are going to be TERRIBLE now....
… there’s a really good chance they end up with the second worst record.
Clippers got out from under the curse of Telfair's option year
It’s haunted every team he’s touched since he signed that baby.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Amare to Chicago?
Anyone else think that makes too much sense? Apparently they sat Salmons expecting to move him by the deadline.
Amare to Miami is what I've read
It was Miami or CLE, and CLE just dropped out.
Miami has to be smiling. Their price just went down. I can’t imagine the Suns taking Amare back at this point. Suns should have taken a good deal when they had a chance.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 17, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
Wait.
Phoenix would trade Amare for Salmons only? Doubt they even would want Salmons. More would have to be added than just Salmons, right?
Looking forward to seeing that...
Bassy’s an interesting player — I hope he gets some tick in the playoffs.
Cleveland’s championship odds must have just spiked way up in Vegas. This will be, by far, LBJ’s best supporting cast, if they stay healthy.
Trading for draft busts
Better Darko than Kwame!
by littleboxes on Feb 17, 2010 8:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Five Points on this Trade
1. I think this may say something about what Kahn is looking for. Darko was drafted #2, and another player Kahn supposedly has interest in, Tyrus Thomas was drafted 4th in 2006. Both have been bombs, but when you’re a team doing as badly as the Wolves, with no pressure to win this season, why not take a look at guys with physical abilities that got them drafted high in lotteries? I hope this doesn’t mean Adam Morrison!
2. Adding Darko, if we keep him, will give Jefferson and Love a chance to play with a more proto-typical center. there may be learning benefits here that would help next year.
3. Darko has been pining for Europe for a long time. Its quite possible he won’t be willing to move to MIN, and the Wolves could get a discount on his buy-out.
4. Recent reports have suggested NYK may be sending MIN cash. If this is true, this is exactly the type of deal I’ve been advocating, where the wolves take on 2009-10 salary in the form of expirings, and send out cheaper expirings to teams over the lux. The Wolves save the other team money, and in return get prospects, picks, or cash in return.
5. The deal won’t be official until tomorrow morning. This gives NYK and MIN time to sleep on it and arrive at my trade. Before the rumor broke, I suggested a Darko-Cardinal deal myself, but in the middle of a rumored BOS-NYK deal. The rumor is NYK would like to trade Nate Robinson to BOS for the cheaper Eddie House and a 2nd, but Nate’s BYC status makes it impossible. Inserting MIN and Gomes makes the deal work, and work better for everyone.
BOS GETS: Nate + Gomes
BOS GIVES: Scalabrine + House + Giddens + 1st
NYK GETS: Cardinal + House
NYK GIVES: Darko + Nate
MIN GETS: Darko + Scalabrine + Giddens + 1st
MIN GIVES: Gomes + Cardinal
BOS saves the 2nd to get Nate, gets Gomes for the late 1st, and gears up for the play-offs
NYK does it because they cut $2 mil in salary (pro-rated) and an additional $2 mil in lux taxes, and get rid of two head cases. It solves their BYC problem. They can buy a pick or just take the savings.
MIN eats $1.5 mil in payroll and loses Gomes, but gets a late 1st, a look at Giddens, and clears $4.2 mil in additional 2010 raw cap space.
Playing off your point #2
I wonder if Kahn wants a preview of which of these guys (Love or Jefferson) plays better next to a real big man. Could be seeing if it makes sense to draft Cole Aldrich…not their pick, but packaging Pekovic and another 1st type if deal.
mmmm
raw cap space
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 17, 2010 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
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