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Timberwolves Confirm Acquiring Milicic

Shortly after a report that the Knicks and Timberwolves had agreed to swap Darko Milicic for Brian Cardinal in principle, the Timberwolves issued a press release confirming the transaction:

The Minnesota Timberwolves today announced the team has acquired 7-0 center Darko Milicic and cash considerations from the New York Knicks in exchange for forward Brian Cardinal.

No word yet on how much money Minneesota received, but both players have expiring contracts and Milicic's salary is only $790,000 more than Cardinal's. New York will save that annual salary difference in luxury tax, plus the difference in remaining salary owed to Milicic and Cardinal (it's less than $400k, so rather trivial), less the cash they sent to Minnesota for their troubles.

Milicic is a 7-footer who's got some toughness. Sound familiar? It shouldn't. The Wolves don't have anyone like that. In the two seasons he averaged over 20 minutes per game, Milicic made 150 appearances and averaged about 8 points and 6 boards with almost 2 blocks. Not numbers that will set the world on fire, but given the Wolves' non-existent futile atrocious heinous dreadful no-good interior defense Milicic brings the muscle and shot-blocking they currently lack.

The question remains as to whether or not having Milicic for the rest of the season will be worthwhile since he made it known earlier this season that he plans to head back to Europe after this season, following an NBA career that disappointed both him and the teams he's played for.

The move doesn't carry any risk for Minnesota: if Darko turns out to be a negative presence, I'm sure he'd gladly accept a buyout, or even a Blount Order. It may come down to a purely financial move in retrospect if playing for the Wolves doesn't convince Darko to go make millions more in tax free salary playing for a European team that gives him free housing and transportation. The Wolves best return may be an improved reputation in Europe if they treat Darko nicely. Any ideas on how that might benefit them?

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He’s got to be an improvement over Hollins.

by SF on Feb 17, 2010 8:29 PM CST reply actions  

Five Points on this Trade

1. I think this may say something about what Kahn is looking for. Darko was drafted #2, and another player Kahn supposedly has interest in, Tyrus Thomas was drafted 4th in 2006. Both have been bombs, but when you’re a team doing as badly as the Wolves, with no pressure to win this season, why not take a look at guys with physical abilities that got them drafted high in lotteries? I hope this doesn’t mean Adam Morrison!

2. Adding Darko, if we keep him, will give Jefferson and Love a chance to play with a more proto-typical center. there may be learning benefits here that would help next year.

3. Darko has been pining for Europe for a long time. Its quite possible he won’t be willing to move to MIN, and the Wolves could get a discount on his buy-out.

4. Recent reports have suggested NYK may be sending MIN cash. If this is true, this is exactly the type of deal I’ve been advocating, where the wolves take on 2009-10 salary in the form of expirings, and send out cheaper expirings to teams over the lux. The Wolves save the other team money, and in return get prospects, picks, or cash in return.

5. The deal won’t be official until tomorrow morning. This gives NYK and MIN time to sleep on it and arrive at my trade. Before the rumor broke, I suggested a Darko-Cardinal deal myself, but in the middle of a rumored BOS-NYK deal. The rumor is NYK would like to trade Nate Robinson to BOS for the cheaper Eddie House and a 2nd, but Nate’s BYC status makes it impossible. Inserting MIN and Gomes makes the deal work, and work better for everyone.

BOS GETS: Nate + Gomes
BOS GIVES: Scalabrine + House + Giddens + 1st

NYK GETS: Cardinal + House
NYK GIVES: Darko + Nate

MIN GETS: Darko + Scalabrine + Giddens + 1st
MIN GIVES: Gomes + Cardinal

BOS saves the 2nd to get Nate, gets Gomes for the late 1st, and gears up for the play-offs

NYK does it because they cut $2 mil in salary (pro-rated) and an additional $2 mil in lux taxes, and get rid of two head cases. It solves their BYC problem. They can buy a pick or just take the savings.

MIN eats $1.5 mil in payroll and loses Gomes, but gets a late 1st, a look at Giddens, and clears $4.2 mil in additional 2010 raw cap space

by shrink on Feb 17, 2010 8:37 PM CST reply actions  

It's not official until tomorrow morning?

With the fine handed out earlier today to an unnamed team that prematurely announced a trade, and the press release issued by the team, I get the impression this is a done deal.

The press release said cash, but of course didn’t specify an amount.

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by wyn on Feb 17, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey Shrink

I don’t know if you take requests, but I’m throwing one out there in case you do. You seem to have a good grasp of the different teams cap pictures, and have done a couple similar posts so the info may be somewhat at your fingertips.

Once the deadline has passed and trades are finalized, could you do a post showing the cap picture of the NBA this summer. It seems that a couple teams that want to be big free agent players this summer were able to open some space the last few days….It would be interesting to see where they stand and how this could affect the Wolves ability to play “Third Team Facilitator” this summer. Could open a debate about whether all these ECs are actually going to do the Wolves any good in terms of being ‘assets’.

Thank you

by Rumblebee on Feb 18, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

You can tell he's tough from the picture...

…he’s got three balls.

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by CaliWolf on Feb 17, 2010 8:41 PM CST reply actions  

In my case

“textbooks” mean “Insane Clown Posse tickets.”

by PoorDick on Feb 18, 2010 8:12 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

We're supposed to remain relatively anonymous here.

But since you outed yourself, I figured I could share your work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woUUsty9wvY

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by wyn on Feb 18, 2010 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I know you hate the term

but I lolled in the first 2 seconds of watching, and I’m still giggling like a schoolgirl as I type this.

Probably funnier than every sketch that will be on SNL on Saturday. Thank you!

by PoorDick on Feb 18, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

"who's the wicked baby?"

Poignant, since this is the exact phrase the Brian Cardinal would yell out while trotting back after each made 3 point shot.

by dropstep on Feb 18, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I think this is basically an experiment

Bottom line: Kahn found a no-risk way to find out how a rotation of Jefferson, Love, and a defensive 7 footer will work out. Partially at least…..Darko’s not D12 by any means, but he’s good enough on defense that, if the theoretical rotation is viable, we should see a marked improvement in our defense over the next 6 weeks.

If we don’t….well, then a Jefferson/Love combo might have to be officially tagged as a lost cause…

by Oceanary on Feb 17, 2010 8:49 PM CST reply actions  

Agree with this + expirement with “you never know he suddenly finds his way here” but definitly trying if this thing can work with a 7ft defender

Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009

by Wim (Belgium) on Feb 18, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if he suits up for the Wolves at all

He might agree to a buyout (which he wouldn’t take from the Knicks—wanted to get paid but be allowed to leave).

by Eric in Madison on Feb 17, 2010 8:52 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't suit up.

What do we need a human victory cigar for anyways? He might see the floor only one time the rest of the year.

You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.

by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Feb 17, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Kahn explicitly said....

….“he’ll play”

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4922587

“I hope he will give it one more shot. Even if he ends up returning to Europe, I hope he wants to end his NBA career on a positive note. In our situation, he’ll play.”

by Oceanary on Feb 17, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Kahn said same

thing about Rubio 6 months ago. Didn’t happen.

by Conned on Feb 17, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Rubio backed out on us

It’s his own fault he’s not playing. Kahn had every intention of starting him this year

by Oceanary on Feb 17, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what I mean

Darko might not show or play here either.

by Conned on Feb 17, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

True

But that wouldn’t be Kahn’s fault.

by Oceanary on Feb 17, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Coming

 Kahn will tell him he will start his first game and then he will come.

by Far East on Feb 17, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

What I like is the money

If we’re making lateral moves (or even slight upgrades) for guys unlikely to have a future with us (Blount, Tucker, etc) at least we’re making money. I assume we’re getting Darko at least for free. A few hundred grand here, a few hundred grand there certainly helps long-term. And I think it shows that details matter in fiscal responsibility. Is it huge? No. But when the time (hopefully) comes where Kahn has to ask for a few million more at least Papa Glen knows he’s not just throwing it away.

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by CaliWolf on Feb 17, 2010 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

I just read that apparently

the Rockets wanted to trade McGrady and Budinger to Philly for Iggy and Dalembert, but Philly wouldn’t do it. Does that strike anyone else as surprising? The cap relief is pretty massive for Philly in that deal.

by Eric in Madison on Feb 17, 2010 9:17 PM CST reply actions  

Seems to be them or Miami

might as well wait until the last minute to decide which trade is best. It also sounds like McGrady is destined for the Knicks. I kinda hope so, picked him up on a couple fantasy teams a few weeks ago!
Also, I think Philly may ultimately decide it is best to battle thru this year, then try to solve the salary issue next summer after a couple teams realize they missed out on the free agents and might suddenly think Dalembert or Brand is better than a D-Leaguer.

by Rumblebee on Feb 18, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I like this trade, personally

Free look at a type of player profile the Wolves are going to be interested in adding to the Al/Love mix. So far Hollins has proven to be a project, although I think he’s also showing incremental improvement. He’ll still have a role on this team as a defender of the Dirk’s of the world.

Just saw EinM’s post re: buying out Darko. I think Kahn strongly resists this. Heard Kahn speaking on the KFAN broadcast of tonight’s game about the trade, and he basically said that he think Darko’s skills and physical profile fits perfectly next to both Al and Love, and that he made the trade because it gives the team a chance to see Al and Love with a true center/shot blocker type. He was well aware that Darko may opt to leave, but that he was hopeful that even if Darko chooses to leave that he’ll (Darko) decide to view his time with us as an opportunity to end his career in the NBA on a positive note and with a positive impression. Kahn did not sound remotely like a guy who acquired Darko to buy him out – he would have kept Cardinal around because of Cardinal’s veteran influence instead (which Kahn specifically mentioned).

So, assuming Darko plays with us, I’ve found the best comp for what I think he can do for us. I’m going to use his (Darko’s) numbers from last year because this year is too small a sample size. See if you can figure out who players A, B, and C are. (All numbers per 36 minutes):

Player A, 24 yr. old season: 11.3 pts (.437 efg% / 18.1% USG), 9.5 reb (8.4% OREB / 21.4% DREB), 2 blks (3.8% BLK)
Player B, 23 yr. old season: 11.6 pts (.515 efg% / 16.3% USG), 9.2 reb (9.7% OREB / 21.8% DREB), 1.8 blks (4.0% BLK)
Player C, 24 yr. old season: 11.6 pts (.532 efg% / 15.7% USG), 7.9 reb (12.4% OREB / 13.4% DREB), 2.6 blks (5.7% blk)

All players are legit 7 footers, with two around 260-270 lbs and one about 40-50 pounds lighter. Athletically one is clearly superior, one is pretty good for his size, and the other is about what you’d expect for his size.

Before I get to who they are, ask yourself which player you think would be the best fit for the Wolves? Should we value blocks? Rebounding? Or efficient scoring? None are particularly good passers, with the best (B) being equivalent to Al last year while the other two were even worse. Do we value size and strength or pure athleticism? Personally I like the scoring efficiency of players B and C, but for rebounding I’d prefer players A and B. Blocks are all about the same, although player C does stand out.

So, without further ado:
Player A – Michael Olowokandi, second season with the Clips, 80 games (31.2 mpg)
Player B – Darko Milicic, last year with Memphis, 61 games (17 mpg)
Player C – Ryan Hollins, best statistical season (CHA/DET), 45 games (9.9 mpg)

FWIW, Hollins’ numbers are down this year for the most part.

What do you think? Darko worth a decent look?

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by biggity2bit on Feb 17, 2010 9:26 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Gotta love...

the intense statisical analysis of all-time busts like Olowokandi and Milicic. Well done.

by twolvesgm on Feb 17, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup

Welcome to being a Wolves fan in 2010.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Feb 17, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Hollins' rebounding numbers are skewed because....

….he only grabs like, 3 rebounds whether he plays 2 minutes or 20….

by Oceanary on Feb 17, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya

Hollins’ rebounding is really kind of funny. You get it watching him and looking at some of these numbers that he certainly could rebound better, and yet he doesn’t. He’s got long arms, hops, and athleticism, and it definitely shows in his block rates. But he’s also a stick (gets boxed out) and I think also plays himself out of position too much.

The thing that doomed Kandi and Darko is their draft position. Both guys were/are actually pretty decent centers, but simply couldn’t live up to the expectations that come along with being drafted number one or two overall. If we drop that aspect from our analysis, both players could help this team. Will Darko (specifically) dramatically alter the course of this season? Absolutely not. But he does possess great size, great body control/agility with toughness, good shot blocking instincts, and a coaching staff (ours) that is reportedly excited and enthusiastic about him joining our club. I think it’s clear that at worst a player like Darko is an upgrade at center for us, and long term could be a viable solution given other realistic FA alternatives. The bigger question to me is whether or not the coaching staff can rejuvenate Darko’s trust in the NBA over the next 20 some games.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Feb 17, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm actually working on a fan post

That places Ryan Hollins as the 2nd worst rebounding 7 footer of all time!

by Blakeley on Feb 18, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Worse than Jason Collins? Or is he #1?

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Feb 18, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

He costs us nothing and is better than people realize

by Oceanary on Feb 17, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been pushing Cole Aldrich for a year now

I backed away a little (not too far) as he struggled early, and also as the Wolves worked toward a top 2 pick. However, I really wonder if Kahn is going to use Darko as a guide to decide if Aldrich can be a useful piece on this team. They aren’t bringing back Darko next year….two reasons, he is sick of the NBA, and the Wolves would be fools to guarantee him enough to forget how much he hates the NBA.
That said, I think Kahn figures either with lottery luck or trading their pick and an asset or two, they can be in position to get Wall or Turner. They are back at that 22 win pace, which should put them in the bottom two, maybe three, which means likely top 5 after the lottery. Then they still have enough to get another top 5 pick (Aldrich)…he has been playing better, maybe he is back on the radar.
It also makes sense that Kahn would try to see which PF works best next to a legit big guy. Love or Jefferson is likely to be traded this summer, this trade helps them figure out who to keep.

by Rumblebee on Feb 18, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Definitely worth a look

Absolutely nothing to lose, and I have to believe he is an upgrade over our other center options. He may be a bust as a #2, but that doesn’t mean he can’t play at all.

by dropstep on Feb 17, 2010 9:40 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't say nothing...

This is a young team struggling through a very difficult losing season. A good veteran presence in the locker room can be very beneficial, and Darko is probably a negative influence. I certainly don’t expect him to come here excited to play after stating that he can’t wait to move back to Europe.

by Cedarpenguin on Feb 18, 2010 7:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Any time your 13-41 team trades an aging bench player for a 24-year old, 7’ 250 lb forward who was drafted over Melo, Bosh and Wade, it’s a good thing — or at least worth a try.

For what it’s worth, Darko has been in a few difficult situations for player development. Larry Brown is notoriously hard on rookies. Orlando was trying to become a title contender and needed Darko to be a big part of it. He was in Memphis before Z-Bo fixed their chemistry problems (still struggling to figure that out). And D’antoni seems like kind of an ass, at least when things aren’t working. Maybe Laimbeer and Rambis can pull a little more out of Darko’s potential than the other teams could. Even if it’s just enough to make him a quality rotation player.

It makes the rest of the season more fun to watch, if nothing else.

by Andy G on Feb 17, 2010 10:16 PM CST reply actions  

What do you think it's going to take

to get Britt’s take on this trade, and perhaps the Wolves in general (moving forward from the trade deadline)?

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Feb 17, 2010 10:24 PM CST reply actions  

It was wishful thinking, but

about an hour ago I checked his Sports Illustrated archive to see if he had anything new to say. It would be fun to get a State of the Twolves post from him sometime (and a KG retrospective as well, if I may be so bold).

by I.M. Fletcher on Feb 17, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no problems with us taking a defensively better Center who is a legit 7 footer with length. Who if you look at his history has never really gotten significant time. We get a great look at him if we start him the rest of the year. Even if he leaves for Europe next year, things may work out and we get him on a extended deal that is fairly modest.

by Stay Classy Joe on Feb 17, 2010 10:25 PM CST reply actions  

Telfair

Anyone else see that Telfair went to the Cavs in the Jamison deal? What a lucky SOB.

by sheal on Feb 17, 2010 11:13 PM CST reply actions  

No kidding

I think the general consensus around here was that we wished him well when he was shipped out over the summer, and seeing him get past a disfunctional franchise like the clippers to be in line to play for a championship makes me happy for him. Much luckier than most of the rest of the players we sent out, with Rhino still languishing in LA, and Foye/Miller watching the team be dismantled around them. At least they’ll be free to leave soon.

by Cedarpenguin on Feb 18, 2010 7:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Cardinal, what a guy...

This is from Zgoda’s blog

Cardinal said in a text message that he sat behind the bench for the first half because he “wanted to be out there with my guys until they said I couldn’t! Gonna miss all these guys!”

I’d love to have him back as an Asst. Coach. Jim Pete said he wanted to go work on an organic farm in Indiana.

by Blakeley on Feb 18, 2010 9:19 AM CST reply actions  

Yes, but keep in mind

it’s easy to be jovial when in exchange for dressing up in shorts and a tank, waving a towel for two hours, and then heading home, you make twice what the average American working full-time gets paid in a year.

by PoorDick on Feb 18, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

He was

the greatest naturally bald player of our generation.

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Feb 18, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of bald players...

I’ve always wondered what Cassell would look like if he grew out his hair. I think he’s fully bald on the top, so we’d be looking at a balding fro type thing. I’d pay to see that.

by Blakeley on Feb 18, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Just mash a clown photo

(perhaps Rory Bellows) with a mug of Sam. Cassel’s mien is intriguing enough even without such an interesting proposal, Blakely.

"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel

by uncle rico on Feb 18, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

A subject for the offseason

“NBA Bald-Stars—the All-Time Greatest Follically-Challenged Players”

The white additions are fairly obvious (Skiles, Big Z), but it’s harder to know for sure with the black guys.

Which brings to mind Dave Barry’s timeless observation:

When black guys shave their heads, they look cool. When white guys do it, they look like giant thumbs.

by PoorDick on Feb 18, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

If I could find a good picture of former Timberwolves great…Bill Curley…this would be the time to post it.

by Blakeley on Feb 18, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Feb 18, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The issue

is that no pictures online do Bill Curley’s “Island” justice.

by Blakeley on Feb 18, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Laughing so hard, so much mirth

I knocked over the Rogaine.

"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel

by uncle rico on Feb 18, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

With this CBA...

Cardinal comes out looking like a pretty good guy… There’s a pretty long list of guys who inked long-term deals and stopped caring.

by Andy G on Feb 18, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I hate Darko

Yes i know we need a tough center who can block shots and Darko can do that but after watching a interview with him after a Euro game (watched it couple months ago) i found out he is a terrible person and do not want him on our team, i much rather just sign a random 7ft tall D-leaguer. Here is the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci3j363HWQM ,plz o plz buy him out.

by JacobA on Feb 18, 2010 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

I saw this...

Are we positive this is the actual translation? It’s pretty insane.

by Blakeley on Feb 18, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

My Serbian needs a little work...

but I’m guessing somebody had a little fun with that youtube clip.

by Andy G on Feb 18, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe the same translator who did the Hungarian dictionary for Monty Python

“my hovercraft is full of eels”

"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel

by uncle rico on Feb 18, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

My nipples explode with delight.

You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.

by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Feb 18, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate to say it...

… but I’m pretty sure that was pretty much what he said. It was a shitstorm overseas, I think.

by TheH on Feb 18, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

one of my old military buddies...

…is a serbo/croat linguist. i’ll see if he can give us a run down.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 18, 2010 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=3009568

Maybe that was an accurate translation… sounds like Darko has some anger management issues.

by Andy G on Feb 19, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

You forgot to point out

That he’s the NBA’s version of Hulk Hogan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SguBaDSLFd0 . That’s alternately impressive and troublesome. If only he could channel that better.

by nja700 on Feb 18, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The Timberwolves

haven’t had someone with that kind of competitive fire in years! How refreshing.

by LoveTo on Feb 18, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

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