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Kings traded martin for expiring and one good young player - should we have gotten Martin?

This is the deal:

 Martin, Kenny ThomasHilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez to the Rockets for McGrady, Sixth Man Award contenderCarl LandryJoey Dorsey and an undisclosed amount of cash.

We could have sent expirings and a mid-to-late 1st round pick, or include a sessions or flynn or some combination of those things. 

it didn't take much to get Martin. I think Houston made a great trade. I wish it had been us. 

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This is a tough one. Houston certainly didn’t give up much, but I agree with Kahn that K-Mart’s contract is onerous.

It feels like most on this site wouldn’t support a trade that included Jefferson or Love and Landry is better than everyone else on our team. Also, since Kings seems determined to keep Tyreke as PG they wouldn’t put enough value in Flynn or Sessions.

Would expirings plus Charlotte pick have gotten it done?

by TWolvesFanInLA on Feb 18, 2010 10:30 AM CST reply actions  

I think Landry was the key, so I agree with this take

I wouldn’t want him instead of Jefferson and Love, but Sacto would also make a mistake taking on Sessions or Flynn before figuring out who’s the best compliment to Evans. Plus, they pay a lot to Udrih, so adding Sessions might not make sense.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 18, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Carl Landry

Is pretty darn good in terms of his production this year. IMO, his value is pretty close to equaling Kevin martin…and that’s before you look at the contracts.

I agree with TFinLA…the only two players on our team better than Landry were Love and Jefferson, and I’m not sure I’d give up Jefferson for Martin (I know I wouldn’t give up Love).

by Blakeley on Feb 18, 2010 10:37 AM CST reply actions  

Im probably the only one...

and remember this is just my opinion but yeah i think we should of traded maybe gomes, an expiring and a late first round for martin….as well as trading big al and another expiring for deng and thomas…..think of what are lineup would look like…..

                                     flynn/sessions
                                     martin/ellington
                                     deng/brewer
                                     love/thomas
                                     darko/hollins
we then should still be capable of drafting cole aldrich to have a complete starting squad

by juniorfied24 on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

I'm okay

Kevin Martin is not what this team needs…. especially for 10million a year or whatever he’ll be making…

by DR_JPK on Feb 18, 2010 11:32 AM CST reply actions  

Agree

I feel just fine passing on Martin. Guy’s an efficient scorer, I’ll give you that, but he’s also fragile and expensive. In other words, how do build around him? You don’t. He’s the kind of guy you add to an existing core as a final piece type player to make a good team great.

I’m actually kind of surprised Houston made this trade. Martin’s a stathead All-Star, but I kind of figured they’d want to hold onto Landry. Carl just seems like their kind of player. Beyond that though, Houston’s situation really tempers how this deal is viewed. TMac’s contract is huge and tough to move, and the fact is that Houston wasn’t going to get a whole lot back for it. I think Martin is by far the best they could do, but losing Landry is tough. Although using the swap tool this should help both teams (swapping Martin and Landry nets +4 wins for each team).

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Feb 18, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924836

That’s the deal they’re reporting on ESPN — Rockets walk away with Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill AND the right to swap ‘11 1st Round Picks. If the Knicks don’t land a prize free agent, they’ll really regret this trade.

by Andy G on Feb 18, 2010 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

Does this mean the Rockets are no longer in the running for Bosh this summer?

Since they’re taking on Jared Jeffries contract?

Also, Jordan Hill is going to be under a lot of pressure to replace some of Landry’s production, even though he’s not even close to being as good of a player.

by oblivionspocket on Feb 18, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

This is a great trade for the Rockets. Kevin Martin, a lottery pick (Hill), and potentially another one (if Knicks don’t land major FAs) for Carl Landry, a guy that wasn’t playing for them (T-Mac) and taking on Jeffries, who will probably be a nice contributor for them this year and next.

by TWolvesFanInLA on Feb 18, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

T-Mac

I’m interested to see this “new and improved” T-Mac. Surely, he’ll be playing his ass off, to try to get another decent contract, this off-season. Plus, the Knicks have no incentive to lose, since their pick goes to Utah, anyway.

by Andy G on Feb 18, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Martin

Wow. Great trade for Houston. Hate this trade for the Kings. Say what you will, but there are not many players in the NBA who can average near 30ppg. Kevin Martin has great size, he can obviously score, and he’s still young. Wish he was a TWolf and I hardly find a 10M contract to be problematic for such a scorer.

by Mac of the MIAC on Feb 18, 2010 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

The story here

is that Houston has absolutely played this beautifully.

They got absolutely every single thing they wanted from NYK, brought in a third party and took their starting SG for a nice piece in Landry. And they took Jeffries who expires in 2011 so will become a suddenly desireable trade piece.

The Knicks have been hosed.

Won't someone think of the ping pong balls?

Kurt Rambis - stop this insanity!

by Auswolf on Feb 18, 2010 1:57 PM CST reply actions  

At first glance, I agree, but things could change

If they re-sign Lee and get a big time FA, they should be pretty good. They will also have enough money to get another better than average FA. Curry is also more valuable because he is an expiring contract, especially a year from now at the deadline.

Everyone, including myself at first, make the mistake of thinking this will be a terrible trade if the Knicks don’t land the Superstar FA. However, with the current financial landscape of the league, the Knicks may still be able to rebuild by using their cap space to take players off the hands of teams looking to save money. If they make the right moves, the 1st rounders will be in the 20s, not much of a loss. Also, if they can re-sign Lee, it would minimize the loss of Hill.

I have a feeling this trade will not be properly judged until next fall.

by Rumblebee on Feb 18, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree

Houston did well, but that doesn’t mean New York got hosed. I think this was a good one for all involved. New York had to move one of their big, stupid contracts before making a move in free agency. Maybe that works out, maybe it doesn’t, but there’s no turning back at this point. Really as long as they’re clearing space, most any deal is a good deal for them. They have one objective and Jeffries’ contract was an obstacle to that.

I like this for Sacramento quite a bit too, they needed to get something good down low for Martin. Landry and Dorsey is an excellent haul for them. If Garcia can come back and contribute, they really should be able to get back to what they were doing in December.

by museum on Feb 19, 2010 1:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

I could not even believe this trade for Houston. Talk about New York going all in. If no one signs there, they could be unconscionably bad. Has there ever been a situation where expected, high-profile free agents had less to attract them in terms of basketball product?

by TheH on Feb 18, 2010 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

"expected, high-profile"

No one seriously believes we’re luring a franchise player here this summer, which is why I tried to qualify the statement. New York believes it will, and has put itself in a situation where it must.

We have Al, Love, and Flynn under contract, Rubio’s rights, Pekovic, slew of picks in upcoming drafts, and cap flexibility moving forward.

New York has lots of cap space and Mike D’Antoni.

by TheH on Feb 18, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, ok.

And Gallo, Lee. But I’m more than willing to say we have more basketball product to work with than they do.

by TheH on Feb 18, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say we have better players...

…but still less basketball product. a.k.a. Minnesota vs. New York as a place for athletes to work and live.

BetterLaettner

by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Feb 18, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

What do they have to offer that we don't?

A chance to be “the man” in New York City. Don’t forget Joe Johnson left Phoenix to sign with an absolute crap team in Atlanta, just because he wanted to shine on his own. Even if it doesn’t happen this summer, it won’t take long for that particular job opening to be filled in NYC. Though I do wonder if they might freak out and pay someone like Joe Johnson way too much if they don’t get LeBron or Wade. And I personally believe that both those guys care too much about winning immediately to go there solo, and if I understand the money correctly NY can’t pay two max free agents.

by museum on Feb 19, 2010 1:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep. If NYK misses, this will put them even deeper in the hole.

Why would LeBron want to sign there? It’s no longer 1985, you can make just as much in endorsements in CLE as you can in NY. He won’t win in NY and that is all he cares about. The only way NY gets LBJ is if they also nab Wade—which aint happenin

by SF on Feb 18, 2010 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

If I were a NYK fan...

… I’d be sick over the possibility that my team is set to add Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay at max this summer.

by TheH on Feb 18, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

They might plan on keeping T-Mac, also. Not sure if that means much — we’ll probably find out in the final 30 games of the year.

by Andy G on Feb 18, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Right, but TMac

Isn’t near the player that Jamison is. If LeBron can’t win with the supporting cast he has now, there will be no excuse.

by SF on Feb 18, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

except for the fact that the Lakers are better

Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Odom and Bynum trump LBJ, Jamison, Shaq, Varejao, Hickson etc.

by TWolvesFanInLA on Feb 18, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

So that makes 3 extremley over paid wings for Houston.

Like the deal for the Kings here, they get a solid piece to the puzzle in Landry who I think complimeants Thompson very well.

The Knicks get room to sign 2 max guys, either hit or miss for them but that’s what they wanted to do and they did it without trading Lee which is a plus.

Houston could have some major cap problems in the near future. Without K-Mart good trade for them, with K-Mart however I don’t like it at all. He’s made the Kings worse this year while on the court and is over paid. Hill could be a nice piece the pick thing will be hit or miss depending on if NY hit’s or misses, and Jeffries is over paid but is actually a nice player.

by Bad News Wolves on Feb 18, 2010 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

Wow

Just took a look at Sactown Royalty, because I knew they were all very pro-Martin over there. I was curious what their reaction would be. It’s beyond the pale, man. Some of them are talking about how much they’ve cried, whether it’s OK to cry, etc. Seriously.

The guy always seemed like he put up good numbers because his team was crap. He’s hardly a guy you build around. Maybe I’m crazy. Pretty sure I’m not though.

by museum on Feb 18, 2010 5:24 PM CST reply actions  

The Kings were insistent that they would only deal Martin for a major frontcourt player

For us, that would have meant Love or Jefferson. So no, let him go to Houston.Personally I feel they made a mistake trading Landry anyway

by Oceanary on Feb 18, 2010 6:09 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, that was a big front court piece to give away, along with Dorsey especially. Dorsey could’ve helped fill Landry’s void. I guess the hope is that Jordan Hill contributes. I think you still have to do it if you’re Houston. But my eyebrow was raised more than most people’s, from what I’ve read.

by museum on Feb 18, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh man, Houston fans were irrate last night

I was browsing a couple other boards to keep updated from fans getting info first from local broadcasts, and I don’t think I saw one Rockets’ fan say anything good about the trade until the Knicks caved in. Most were some form of “screw Darell Morey”, a few had a “FML” theme….one described Martin as “the ****ing incredible glass man”….it was not pretty.

Landry has been an incredibly popular player in Houston. He sort of epitomizes what that team has been all about….and underdog that wins games with maximum effort and unrivaled toughness.

by Oceanary on Feb 18, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

The picks are the biggest coup...

They can replace Landry with one of them if they don’t replace him with Hill. It’s worth it for the Knicks if they can get two max free agents, but if not…

by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 19, 2010 3:01 PM CST reply actions  

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