More Drunken Action
by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2010 6:42 AM CST
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Perhaps the best response to the latest and greatest in Wolves action isn't to conjure up a Korean dish or two; perhaps it's straight-up public drunkenness. You tell 'em James Brown.
As for the game...
Down by 14 at the 1/2, the Wolves started the 3rd quarter with a need to put some quick points on the board in order to get back in the game and to avoid having their throats stepped on by a Blazers team that had probably just received a rousing halftime speech about coming out with a bunch of energy and ending the game within 3-5 minutes of the start of the 3rd.
On the first possession Jonny Flynn dribbled his team into a contested three from Ryan Gomes with time running off the shot clock. The next time down the court they got a low percentage shot with no action towards the rim. The third time down the court there was more dribbling and a Jonny Flynn jump shot. (You may see a pattern developing here.) A few possessions later Flynn took a 3 with about 3-4 seconds off the 24 second shot clock and a 1-on-4 rebounding disadvantage. We were also treated to a twisting, falling-away Corey Brewer jump shot.
There are rookie growing pains. This is an offense that not many people run. That being said, there are some things happening on this team with its offense that are not explainable with the lines that the team is pitching. There are things happening with their 1st year point guard that simply should not be happening with a basketball player, not simply a young point guard. Basic, basic stuff and it's becoming more and more obvious. It is now a nightly occurrence on League Pass to listen to the opposing team's announcers marvel about how Jonny Flynn doesn't look like he knows how to run an offense or that he appears to be all about getting himself as many shots as possible...on both ends of the court.
Unfortunately, last night's mess just wasn't a Jonny-fueled affair. For a short period during the 3rd, the Wolves started running the offense through Darko Milicic. Now, it's one thing to run an offense through the post and I suppose Darko is talented enough to make a few nice passes here and there, but in order for this to happen, Darko's teammates have to do things like a) move, b) look to get open, and c) cut to the hoop. Perhaps it's simply a case of being used to playing in an offense with the Dark Lord of the Black Hole, Al Jefferson--an offense where standing around gets things done in the low left block--but at some point one would expect a fairly modest amount of movement towards the bucket in order for the Darko-centric offense to pay off.
No real point play, Darko-run offenses...oh, and they made Nic Batum look like Michael Jordan. Hooray!
Pass the bottle around.
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How Dare you Question Jonny Flynn
He’s averaging 13.7 points- he must be good. Who cares that his plus/minus is horrible? Who cares that he gets lit up on D like a Christmas Tree? I’m apparently forgetting he’s the next Chris Paul or Deron Williams.
What a lot of people here are
conveniently forgetting are the reasons Flynn was picked by the Wolves in the first place: his pre-draft interviews. He WOWED them! He looked them in the eye, shook their hands, and said “please” AND “thank you!”
HOW MANY POINT GUARDS SAY “PLEASE” AND “THANK YOU” AT THAT POINT IN THEIR CAREERS???!!! Cousy? Stockton? MAYBE Nash, and even then, he says, “Thank you, eh?”
I heard he brought a copy of "How to Speak Minnesotan" to the interview
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
"I'm concerned, 'cause there's nothing wrong."
It’s troubling to me that these drunken clips suddenly seem so relevant to the Wolves’ season. Get a celebrity drunk, and you’re going to hear something that pertains.
At some point our games starting looking like summer league. You know, where you’re sort’ve watching for talent, but you don’t know what the coaches are looking at in a given player? (Has Flynn been told not to run pick and rolls today? Did they tell him to get his own shot for a while?) In summer league you might see the 2nd-year Chris Bosh floating around during layups shooting from range, and then he might come into the game and do nothing but spot up from outside, ‘cause he’s working on that. You might see things like an offense running through Darko Milicic.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Speaking of drunken action....
I jus twrote a fan post about this, but there is a report that Al Jefferson recieved a DUI last night, anyone hear anything about this? Here’s where I read it……
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NBA&id=1055
It was just on the news, so it’s real.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
like WMD?
Perhaps Dick Cheney is behind this? Is anyone with KLJ to hold his hand?
by littleboxes on Feb 28, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Perhaps we are guilty
posting all these drunken youtube clips of celebrities
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
You need more ellipses.
You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.
by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Feb 28, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
My theory is the law of 3T
“tanked tanking theory.” Should be self explanatory.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
These guys make millions, hire a driver or pay a cab...it boggles the mind!
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Feb 28, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
So true about getting a cab ride home
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Not many buses running that time of the day.
But you’re right about not driving.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
back when I lived in the city the 16 bus
would always get me home and I think it runs pretty late, but i’m sure he lives out in a western suburb where there is no late bus since he was pulled over for speeding and swerving on 394
He lives in...
…golden valley. In Johan Santana’s old home.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 28, 2010 1:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I remember this little tidbit from the...
…“It’s his team” article the strib ran 2 years ago:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/33474289.html?page=3&c=y
I remember thinking “he’s no Johan”.
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haha ok fair enough
you’re not a stalker.
And Johan would appreciate your words… unfortunately they might lead Al Jefferson to drink more…
He should have taken a cab, I just can't see a guy making millions
getting on a bus. In any case, we can all agree he should not have been driving.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
I imagine he's not the only one
let’s recall the wisdom of Homer.
“To alcohol! The cause of – and solution to – all of life’s problems.”
— Homer J. Simpson
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
finally
some off the court trouble for this franchise. Getting a DUI for the franchise where Malik Sealy’s number hands from the rafters.
I Hope it’s a different Al Jefferson.
by littleboxes on Feb 28, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Right
the only hook this team has right now is “well, at least they’re good guys.” This latest event isn’t going to help.
I imagine if the allegations are true
and this goes to a hearing, Al’s lawyer will invoke the Chewbacca defense.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
the star trib now has
jefferson’s mug shot and a lot more info, it definately was him and sounds like he was definately a little intoxicated
Intoxicated?
Or a really really bad driver? Before you decide, just remember that Chewbaca lived with Ewoks…
LMA
destroyed us, before the game became a blowout. I think that’s also worth mentioning. Love and Hollins couldn’t guard him, but Darko did an OK job.
Batum looked like a star. Wellington had him for some of the game, but wasn’t sure who had him for the rest of it. Either Pavs or Brew, I assume.
There is a lot wrong with the team, right now. I guess it’s fine to repeat the Jonny Flynn and Al Jefferson stuff, over and over and over and over… the comments sections can flesh out the rest of the picture.
how about this (being an apologist for Kahn)
but not for Rambis
Kahn drafts Rubio and Flynn. Tries to get Rubio over, ultimately fails.
Khan knows Flynn is no PG. He was drafted as a guy who could score and (especially) get to the free throw line, a valuable skill for a franchise that for its entire existence has struggled to get to the line.
Knowing Flynn is no PG, Kahn picks up Sessions. He wants them to play together. why? Because he knows Flynn is no PG.
Rambis, the arrogant CA dude, is convinced that he can “teach” flynn how to be a PG. So he starts Flynn over sessions. That this is all against Kahn’s wishes is a bonus as it asserts the coaches authority and the value of his shiny new 4 year contract.
Rambis appears to see something in Flynn that Kahn doesn’t. Contrary to PoorDick’s assertions, Kahn is not stupid and know exactly what he was getting when he drafted Flynn. A good teammate who can score and get to the line in the NBA. Not a PG.
He also knew Flynn would be happy not being the PG and would be fine coming up off the bench, eventually as a backup to Rubio.
Alternative theory
We were on a path to being historically bad when Rambis was riding Flynn to play a certain way. So Flynn thinks he can carry the team on his back if only he can play his way. Rambis, with no pressure to win and even an incentive to lose, tells Flynn to give it a try, knowing full well he’ll fail. Rambis thinks this will make Flynn more receptive to learning to play PG the right way in the future.
That’s the best I’ve got for explaining what Rambis is doing. Tanking is the next best theory. Incompetence is also a possibility.
by Madison Dan on Feb 28, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed...
… I’d wager it’s a combination of Madison Dan’s theory AND the tanking hypothesis—the two aren’t mutually exclusive—and pray that Kahn/Rambis’ plan is to put Jonny through some rough patches in the short term while looking toward the long-run future of this team and in the process losing enough games to have the best possible shot at Wall/Turner/Favors/Whiteside. (Yes, I think he should be in this conversation given our need at center, especially after his recent 13 block game. The guy might be nice at the fourth or fifth pick if we like his upside better than Aldrich’s.)
Thank you...
now I’ll return to my motorcycle maintenance.
by Madison Dan on Feb 28, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
if you read the things out of wolves camp pre-draft, they did think Flynn would make a much better PG than Curry.
That along with supposed better defense, and getting to the hoop.
And who knows in 2 years they may look right, but at this point Flynn looks like has no clue how to “MANAGE AN OFFENSE”.
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Feb 28, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
The disappointing thing is...
…trading the 18thpick/Lawson and the 45th pick/Calathes when we had so little depth on the roster. I’d feel a lot better about the eventuality of trading Jonny Flynn for little value if 18/28/45 had been converted into Lawson/Blair or Budinger/Calathes.
Is it that he has no clue to manage "an" offense, or manage "this" offense
I don’t know the answer to this, but the second is easier to correct. What did the ’Cuse run?
by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 28, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't have problems with that play in the clutch
3 of his last minute scores (at Utah, at Dallas, at Miami) came off of a correct read on that play.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 28, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
One small ray of sunshine
in Flynn and Wellington being “meh” so far is that it makes it more likely that Glen realizes the only way to improve this team quickly is to overpay for talent. If he had any inkling that Kahn was superior in scouting and signing players, that notion is probably gone. And I’m guessing Kahn get’s a shorter trial and error period than what McHale had.
McHale was an upper-level cadre
in Chairman Glen’s Party. He enjoyed all the perquisites, including the near cradle to grave iron (Minnesota wild) rice bowl. Now that we’re in the Wolves reform era, you’re absolutely right that Kahn will not enjoy the same benefits, especially since he’s not one of the boys.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Why is Wellington "meh"?
Late first-round picks aren’t exactly supposed to be consistent starters in their first year, and Make It Wayne has at least shown the capability to play in an NBA rotation.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 28, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Well,
let’s keep in mind the stellar NBA rotation in which he shown the capability to play.
I’m not saying I’m disappointed in him relative to his draft position. But he hasn’t exactly been a referred to as anything close to a “steal” for Kahn and the Wolves.
But calling him "not a steal" is holding Kahn to a higher-than-necessary standard
The only player picked after who’s unequivocally better than him at this point is Blair. Here’s the question: is he better than Ndudi Ebi? Because that’s the only comp between Kahn and McHale that’s available to this point when it comes to a player picked at Ellington’s spot.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 28, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think you are giving Doody a raw deal here.
He just needs some time to develop. Think of all that potential!
Sadly funny
The bad news about getting arrested when you’re an NBA player is that all your opponents (and potential trade partners) realize you’re not as tall as you led people to believe:
The arrest came after the Timberwolves lost to the Portland Trail Blazers at Target Center, 110-91. Jefferson, a 6-10 center-forward, led the Wolves in scoring with 19 points, and in playing time, with 30 minutes. (The jail log listed him at 6-9.)
God forbid Love or Flynn gets picked up.
I give you Steven Wright. Seems an apt quote given the circumstances and tattoo culture in the NBA
“I’m going to get a life-size tatto of myself, all over my body….Only taller.”
Life in Hell’s take on tattoos.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SVNTTN1sWTE/SbA4WvGMD8I/AAAAAAAAAmA/0nvXHNGRmjI/s320/LifeInHell.gif
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Think we could get them
to measure his wingspan?
“Apparently the 6’9’’ Al Jefferson was drinking everything within 3.48 feet of him.”
38.7% chance we aren't doomed...
There is a 19.9% chance that we get the first pick and draft John Wall…giving us a “get out of jail free card” and the ability to trade Flynn.
Also, there is an 18.8% chance that we will draft 2nd and take Turner, giving us the perfect facilitating two guard to pair with Flynn.
So that’s something…..
wall 6 assists and 5 turnovers...
wes johnson shooting miserably…
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Feb 28, 2010 11:32 AM CST reply actions
I also won't be shocked...
If Turner drops in the draft. It sounds crazy right now given his current production, but he’s the exact type of player that typically falls a little. He won’t wow you in workouts, and a lot of his best traits (like court vision) are intangible.
It wouldn’t be crazy if a team like Golden State or Detroit became wowed by Cousins or Favors prior to the draft…giving the Wolves a chance to pick up Turner even without the 2nd pick.
This is just an insanely ironic thread title.
S-n-P, did you get the news RIGHT after it happened or is this just a colossal coincidence?
We already had Orson Welles drunk for the previous game.
Somehow it was in the air.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Just noticed the last line of this game wrap above
Good advice for fans; not good advice for players.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
How much does something like this realistically hurt trade value?
Are we going to regret not taking Thomas/Deng?
it'll blow over
very quick, i twill come back up when he is sentanced and then no one will remember, J-Richardson had a DUI that noone really remembers, Donte Stalworth killed someone while driving drunk and is back in the NFL, its a shame, but a DUI really isn’t that big of news to the rest of the NBA, it will be big news here just because he is a wolves player, but in a few days after the wolves issue a statement and he apologizes I think it will just be an afterthought
What's killing his trade value is his play
This will blow over eventually, but it’s becoming apparent that the NBA is passing him by, with players that are bigger, stronger, and more athletic able to overwhelm him on most nights. His game is a total mismatch for where we want to go as a team. And now his contract is starting to be problematic as teams probably wonder whether there has been some permanent damage as a result of the injury. We’ll probably trade him for 50-cents on the dollar this offseason just so that we can move forward.
by Rascal Flatts on Feb 28, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Not to suggest a causal relationship between
Orson Welles or James Brown clips and what happened early this morning. But perhaps we could start photoshopping shots of Wall, Turner, Cousins, Favors, or other preferred draft choices and see if that changes the Wolves fortune. Or does this only work for misfortune?
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
With this franchise
I think it would only work with misfortune, unfortunately
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
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