Mission: Acquire another high lottery pick
There's been plenty of discussion on whether the Wolves should package their expirings at the deadline for a high salaried player. If not, the goal is cap space this summer, but then who's the target?
Lot's of questions...few answers.
There's a couple things we know for sure:
1. The Wolves have a long way to go towards being a legitmate contender.
2. We've got a nice, but incomplete, collection of younger players on roster.
3. We have several assets going forward.
4. We lack an alpha dog #1 player.
5. Leaguewide finances are tight.
6. An upcoming CBA renegotiation promises some major changes thus making financial flexability important.
How can the Wolves best take advantage?
Maybe by looking to the recent past? In Kahn's short run, what's his best move? In my opinion, the trade for #5 was a homerun. We turned to marginal starters into a nearly untouchable asset at this point. Sure we kind of lucked into Rubio given his financial situation (and we have to wait to realize his value), but the alternative was likely going to be Tyreke Evans, still not shabby.
Instead of calculating how much we're going to have to overpay for Rudy Gay or which big contract we could absorb with our cap room, we should be looking for the next Washington situation. A team that would entertain moving a high lottery pick for a platter we could prepare this year that would be much more intriguing than Foye/Miller.
With the present financial state of the league, the obvious incentive for a team to pass on a lotto pick would be salary relief/financial flexability. Would a team be willing to move back in the draft a bit/take prospects (quality over quantity) to save $10 million plus?
A quick look at a few teams in the presumptive upper lottery:
Indiana- Desperately needs a PG in a draft devoid of lottery prospects should the Pacers miss out on #1. Indy also has the bad contracts of TJ Ford and Mike Dunleavy. We're likely going to have the cap space to absorb either one of those contracts. We'll have the Charlotte and Utah picks, Pekovic's rights, and PG prospects -could go Sessions or Flynn depending on what Indy ends up with in the draft and what contract we take back. A lot would depend on where our pick lands (Wall would make Flynn quite expendable), but assuming we don't move up, would a package of Sessions and our additional picks be enough for Indy's projected #5 pick and TJ Ford's contract?
Philadelphia- They're desperate to unload Dalembert and Brand without a taker. They may manage to get rid of Dalembert if they package him with Iguodala, but if not? Would Philly be willing to trade Dalembert and their pick for cap relief and some combo of our later picks and players?
Both of these deals would put in the mix for Cole Aldrich in addition to our pick while preserving any flexability we might have with a new CBA given the 1 year left for Ford or Dalembert. I'm also making an assumption that it works within the rules for either team to select a player for us and complete the trade during as soon a July 1 rolls around and we clear our cap space. I guess this is a pretty big assumption though? Not sure of the trade rules in this regard.
Golden State- A more extreme option given that the salary we'd be looking at would be Corey Maggette and his 3 years left. His contract would run a full 2 years into a new CBA assuming that there was no lockout. Any lockout would eat into those last 2 years. Maggette's money would be much tougher to swallow; however, there's probably a better chance of it getting done given that they were apparently willing to move A. Randolph to a team willing to take Maggette earlier this year. Maggette is what he is. He doesn't fit the age profile we're looking for, but he's not supposed to. He's the place filler- wing scorer that we'd be willing to take to get the #3 pick(?) in the draft. Maggette is a mercenary. He gets to the line like a madman. His defensive rep is poor, but he pretty much blows Rudy Gay out of the water in advanced offensive stats (although he's not a 3 pt shooter, though neither is Rudy). Maggette and their pick for cap space and our later firsts?
If we stay put at #2 and say GS ends up #4 - We add Turner and Cole Aldrich or Wes Johnson.
Flynn, Sessions
Turner, Ellington
Maggette, Brewer
Love, Pekovic
Al, Aldrich
There could be other options as well. NJ might be willing to entertain offers if they don't wind up #1. Utah is always cost conscious and AK47 is due to make $17+ million next year...they've got the NYK pick.
I think finances are going to be huge this summer and the Wolves would be wise to take advantage. We need that star and these guys are largely taken in the top 5. Let's try to get another shot at getting lucky.
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How about this....
We get lucky, get the #1 pick. Jersey gets #2. We take Wall. Jersey wants Rubio. We trade Rubio to Jersey for pick #2 and get Turner. We trade up and get Hassan Whiteside. Joe Johnson sees the awesome team we’re putting together and decides to sign with us. We roll with this core:
Wall/Flynn
Turner/Ellington
Johnson/Brewer
Jefferson/Love
Whiteside/Hollins
Now that would be a fun team to watch.
OK, your idea. I like the aggressive approach. We need to explore all options possible and agree that this draft is rich with very good players at positions of need and it would behoove ourselves to be aggressive. Something about Aldrich though. He has not sold me. Especially not with that high of a pick. If some of the other young centers enter the draft Aldrich could slide. But again, I like your aggressive thinking. Use this draft and let the young puppies grow.
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I like this idea too but I’d still rather have Cousins over Whiteside at this point. Cousins has performed in big games while Whiteside hasn’t, at least according to his basic stats I found at espn. Cousins has gotten a double double in 6 games with under 20 minutes of playing time…goddamn! If a defensive C with amazing shotblocking ability is what is needed the most at that point in the draft, then maybe….but I like seeing what is done in march during the tournies, don’t know that Whiteside can carry his team to that, whereas Cousins is probably more important to KU’s advancement than Wall is.
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I wonder tho if waiting til the summer will work out. For some reason I’m thinking that the wolves might get an even better deal if they make the trade before the picks are determined. At least it would make for more entertainment for us, if they had the 2nd and 4th best chances at getting the number one pick rather than trading for the 4th pick…if that makes sense. I think some teams might be more desperate near the deadline to clear cap space rather than during the offseason, and thus willing to give up more than their getting… With this scenario, if they get lucky and get the #1 pick and still have another top 4 pick from another team, the Nets trade for Rubio would still work and we could have 3 of the top 5 picks, but that would be too insane. I really do enjoy living in dream land!
I could roll with expirings and picks for Maggette and the GS lotto pick, although I don’t think that GS could trade the pick now. They owe a pick to NJ in 2011 for Marcus Williams (yuck) and I don’t think they could trade future pick (this years) at this point. It would have to wait until after the draft picking on our behalf.
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I think if we trade a later first rounder (Utahs or Charlotte’s if necessary to move up to top 5) this year that they could trade theirs because they would have a first rounder this year meaning they didn’t give theirs up 2 years in a row which is against the rules according to some here, not sure but think that’s right. So it could work if management for both teams liked the arrangement
I know this is off topic
But why don’t the Nets have a blog on this website? I’d love to see what they think about the draft and the hypotheticals of what should be the most entertaining offseason since the lockout in 99
I really like this sort of thinking...
though if we keeping playing like this we might not need that ‘star’ anyway…jk…;)
Whatever we get will have to be deferrable.
I’d say it’s odds on we get the Utah and Charlotte picks this season. That’s one too many already.
Free Alando!
I really am not too interested in adding another top 10 pick
at the expense of cap space. Enough already. The Wolves will have their own high pick; you can’t keep adding rookies and expect to get good. This team has already had plenty of top 10 picks and still sucks. I’d like to, you know, start winning some freaking games at some point in the near future.
I know hope springs eternal with the draft, because we haven’t seen these players in the pro game, so we can project them as anything we want. We don’t have to face their flaws. But at a certain point, another pick isn’t going to help. You have to try to go get players with some established skills. I would much rather use the cap space this summer to get a player with some established pro skills as opposed to taking yet another flyer on a guy like Cole Aldrich or something.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 6, 2010 10:35 AM CST reply actions
established pro skills
Suggestions?
Maggette seems to fit that role in part right? Like I said above, he’s not the right age, but I’d take Maggs and their pick over Rudy Gay for $55-60 million at this point. Gay is about as good as we could expect as an outright FA so I’d take Maggs and the pick over lesser combos like Outlaw/Ty Thomas too. Trades are the other option, but are the guys we could get going to be much better than Maggette? Or, are any of them proven winners? And, what else will we have to give up besides cap space to get the often discussed guys like Deng, Martin, Iguodala, etc? Those guys aren’t getting dealt just for cap space.
I’d be all for breaking the bank to trade for Iguodala and Dalembert, but is that the best move long term given the pending CBA rengotiation? According to the prelim announcement, it looks like there could be a war with the owners looking to drop the players income by 7% and move towards a hard cap:http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/19929589
I think the owners are serious about big changes and I’d hate for the Wolves to be hamstrung by a new a CBA like they were with KG’s contract.
As far as having many previous top 10 picks that have sucked…that’s the nature of the draft accentuated by poor management. The draft is a crapshoot, but it’s also the best way to land that player that’s going to take us where we want to go. Just because we haven’t fared well doesn’t mean we should forgoe the best opportunty we have to land our Brandon Roy, Tyreke Evans, or Brook Lopez. You strike out in the draft for sure, but that’s not unique to the draft. You can strike out in FA too and with the kind of money involved the stakes are much higher.
Well. I might consider your Philly deal
since Dalembert might actually do some good. I like Kevin Martin. Could I get Iguadala somehow? Maybe not. Is Josh Howard a buy low possibility? Ronnie Brewer if the Wolves take a contract?
Ignoring, for the moment, the CBA situation, here’s what I have to say:
I want to see this team win a championship too, and I understand that a) almost all championship teams have one of the handful of best players in the league, and b) the most likely place to get that player is the draft.
But…you can’t wait around forever at the bottom of the league in the hopes of getting that guy. You have to try to get better, to build a winning team whether you get lucky with that guy or not. The truth is, even if things go about as well as you could reasonably hope, this team isn’t going to win a title in the next 10 years; the chances, given where they are, are extremely remote.
I want to see some winning basketball, and believe me, I was around for the first round and out teams of earlier years. I’ve been around for a long time. But this (ignoring the last week) sucks. From where I’m sitting, 50 wins looks pretty good, and looks like a tough enough goal to achieve, never mind a championship. How many years of terrible basketball do we have to go through? It seems to me that patience is only a virtue when there’s a tangible and realistic payoff to that patience.
And I have been patient and will continue to be. I have no interest, for example, in trading Rubio, because I think he has at least a small chance to be a franchise changing talent. But to spend whatever capspace the team has managed to accumulate on yet another lottery pick…yikes. It just feels like a setback. We did that this year, and while I’m a huge Rubio guy, the truth is that we won’t see him for a while, and the guy we got with our own pick is…not a star.
It sometimes seems to me that I’m not supposed to want my team to win, to get better, to be a playoff team. The tone sometimes seems to be that rooting for that has become uncool. That instead I should root for the accumulation of “assets,” a word I am beginning to dislike. So I guess my question is, when can I hope my team actually wins? I’m not that young anymore.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 6, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Why not do a little of both
Meaning, how about the Wolves accumulate a couple more assets while also playing a little better the rest of the season. This is why I propose something like offering Sessions and expirings to the Bulls for Hinrich, cash, and a 1st rounder this summer.
The Wolves can play better the rest of this year, creating some momentum and optimism for next season. They drop a few spots in the lottery getting up to about 25 wins, but should still get around 5-7 in the draft. Now the Bulls pick and maybe Pekovic lets them get into a position to draft Turner. Basically, they can play better this season and still be in position to get the players they need for the future. Bringing back the current roster (minus Sessions and expirings), while adding Turner and Hinrich, makes this team a possible 35 win team next season.
I agree...
I would love for us to win again (I’ve been around awhile too), but I love Iggy and Dalembert only has one more year after this season. Cap sapce in 2011 is fine with me since I doubt we attract any stud free agents and I would much rather have Iggy than Gay or Joe Johnson. The only players I would rather have who are free agents are Wade and Lebron (I would take Igyy over Bosh especially considering what Bosh would cost) and neither Wade or Lebron are coming to Sota.
We won't need
We won’t need to be drafting high lottery picks forever. I absolutely like the idea of trading up into the top 10 again. We’re already starting to show marked improvement. One guy like Turner and another guy like Wes Johnson or Favors, Aldrich, Cousins, etc…makes our team pretty solid. Just be a little patient and tolerate the suckitude for maybe another season. Remember, Kahn is on his “2-3 year plan”. Just chill out. We don’t need to go crazy with taking on expensive salaries and shit just so we can win 45 games next year. We are being built to win long term not now.

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