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These last few seasons have been rough, I know.  Even before KG left, Wolves fandom was more about cap space, draft positioning, and wondering whether or not Papa Glen would continue to lose large sums of his wedding invite money on a decreasingly interesting product or sell the team to out-of-state interests.  

Throw in a pinch of poor front office roster management, a heaping of silly drafting, a dash of a coaching carousel, and a bucket of genuine bad luck, and you have a Charlie Brown fan base that feels like it has had the ball pulled out from underneath it a time too many and is all too willing to retreat back into the safe havens of draft speculation and cap space punditry instead of actually paying full attention to what is right there in front of their noses in the here and now.

At some point, and no matter how good the odds were/are that the Lucy ball-pulling would continue, things eventually have to get better.  After all, continual bottoming out simply cannot happen in a league where other GMs seem to be in active pursuit of the league's basement.

My question to you, and my lead-in to the game wrap is this: When will you start enjoying the on-court product more than the possibility offered by cap space, stashed Euros, and future draft picks?  This, to me, is the key question to moving beyond the Lucy/Chuck Brown days of Wolves fandom.  Personally, and without sharing the exact number it will take to make it happen, I will know things have turned the corner when a) FanPost section is more Blazer's Edge game wraps than county swap meet and b) when I don't feel the need to fuel the fire with seemingly weekly Draft Board posts.  My hope is that we catch the change before the disconnect in our site's discourse and the team's on-court play becomes too big to cross with any credibility, and I firmly believe that we are not yet there, but I'm kind of interested in hearing all of your thoughts on the subject. 

Actually, I left out the biggie.  The main indicator for turning the corner will be a firm and wide-spread rejection of the lottery ball fetish that could accompany the team on its journey away from the 2nd worst record in the league.  Last night against the Griz, the Wolves won their 4th straight and moved into a tie with Golden State for the 3rd worst record in the league.  Sacramento is only 3 wins away and then the real fun begins with Washington, Detroit, Indy, New York, and Philly all within striking range. 

Anywho...

Star-divide

For those of you looking for reasons to give your causal sports fan friends to return to Target Center, last night's game is probably the game you want to reference.  It had it all.  A slow start to lure the Wolves haters into a generalized sense of "here we go again," strong individual performances, injury intrigue (well, this isn't something we want to see too much of), both teams shooting over 50% from the floor, only 26 fouls between the two teams (typically we see 40+), long stretches of uninterrupted up-and-down action, a masterful duel between two young performers down the stretch, a dagger 3 pointer, fantastic point play by the home squad, solid defensive rotations, noticeably excellent coaching, and, best of all, genuine excitement from the crowd. 

The Wolves started out the game with a 6-0 run and some good energy but were quickly countered by a 12-2 Griz run built on the back of what the Griz do best: scoring in the paint and in transition.  The Wolves answered the Griz's aggressiveness with a barrage of half-assed jump shots from as far away from the paint as possible.  Looking back at the game's quarter-by-quarter shot chart from the post-victory perspective, it really is striking as to just how jump shot dependent the Wolves were in the...well, we'll save that point for later.

The Wolves' first half offense was carried by Ryan Gomes, who went for 20 points on 8-10 shooting.  Of course, this sort of performance isn't exactly something the team can bank on, and 8 of his 10 first half attempts came on jump shots out of the lane, but his hot shooting filled the gaps between the times when the Wolves were aggressive and attacked the paint and when they moseyed around the edges in the 1/2 court. 

The 3rd quarter was carried by Corey Brewer, on both ends of the court.  Brewer played all 12 minutes in the quarter, going for 15 points on 7-9 shooting while locking down OJ Mayo, disrupting passing lanes, getting out in transition, hitting from 3, and being an all-around basketball menace.  This is the guy we saw at Florida. 

The 4th quarter was brought on home by a vintage performance (if a 25 year old can be vintage) from Al Jefferson.  Big Al went 8-8 from the floor in the quarter, scoring 16 points while eating Marc Gasol alive.  Jefferson scored on push shots, nifty post moves, garbage clean up, and even a mid-range jumper or two.  He was absolutely dominant and there was nothing at all that Memphis could do about him.  Of course he did take a few shots that he had no business taking (a 20-foot jumper, really?), but I suppose we'll let that slide for the moment.

All of that being written, the star of the game goes to, without a doubt, Ramon Sessions.  Ramon ended the game with a team-high +19, and this was one of those games where +/- captured exactly how big of an impact a player had on the game.  As mentioned above, the Wolves just about did themselves in with a 1/2 court offense built around mid-range jump shooting nonsense that not only did very little to put the Griz in a position to have to defend, but did nothing to initiate contact or force the sort of chaos the Wolves need to have on the court in order for them to succeed. Ramon reversed this trend and turned the Wolves into an outfit that aggressively and decisively attacked the lane/paint/rim.

The elephant in this jump shooting room is Jonny Flynn.  This game should be Exhibit A for anyone looking for proof that Ramon Sessions is the point guard that gives the Wolves the best chance to win.  He doesn't rise to the top with a single aspect of his game that stands above and beyond all else (nor does he have Flynn's perceived "ceiling"--whatever that means); rather, he simply takes what Flynn could (and should) do and adds to it with little tweaks of his game.   Where Flynn pounds the ball into the ground in the half court, Sessions is quick to pass and decide.  Where Flynn is willing to fiddle around far away from the rim, Sessions is quick to take direct angles to the front of the rim.  It is downright criminal that Sessions is not starting on this club and that Flynn is not being groomed for the role that most of us know (and others highly suspect) he is destined to play: backup spark plug.  Perhaps this is yet another example of the Mulligan Factor, a shrug-your-shoulders acceptance of things that happen during a season that can be chalked up to player development and roster positioning over wins and losses. Whatever it is, the Wolves won last night's game because Ramon Sessions made quick and decisive decisions with the ball while directing all offensive traffic towards the rim and putting the ball in the hot hands. 

Another benefit of playing Ramon was that the man can play some above average defense at the point.  Take a quick gander at the PopcornMachine GameFlow from last night's game.  Mike Conley got to wherever he wanted in the 1st quarter against Jonny Flynn.   He got to the rim, he got the ball to scorers in transition, and he all-around controlled the tempo.  Conley went for a +9 in his 1st half stints against Jonny Flynn.  In the 2nd half, Sessions went for +16 while controlling the game's tempo and holding Conley to 2 points and next to zero impact. 

Start Ramon.  We have finally seen what we wanted to see with a shortened bench and a 3 man rotation at the 4/5.  Now it's time to see what we want to see most of all: Start Ramon.  Please.  Of course, the kicker here may be that Ramon plays better with Kevin Love and Damien Wilkins than he does with the starters but...well, never mind, start Ramon. 

It should be noted that Jonny Flynn played the part of teammate last night:

I mentioned it in the game story, but Jonny Flynn came out of the game four minutes into the second half, and never returned. Rambis said he tried to put Flynn back in, but the rookie talked him out of it because Ramon Sessions was playing so well (19 points, six assists). Flynn wasn't bad, though his shot wasn't falling; he scored six points on 2-for-5 shooting, with five assists. "That means a lot to me as a coach, that players will make sacrifices for the benefit of the team, even when it costs them playing time," Rambis said. "I really appreciate that from Jonny." So did Jefferson, who assured us he would never have given away playing time when he was a rookie. "He just said, 'Let it ride,' and that surprised me for a rookie," Jefferson said. "But he saw that Ramon was playing well, so that says a lot about him."

Well done.  Perhaps another sign of the team and its fan base paying more attention to the here and now is them putting the lineup with the best chance of winning on the floor each and every single night instead of deferring to "player development".  Sessions needs 25+ mpg per night.  What that means for Flynn, I don't know, but there is a large enough sample size to say that Sessions gives this team a better chance to win and its not like he's old or not a significant value signing.  Playing your best players the number of minutes they deserve to be played is a fairly solid sign that the team you are rooting for is trying to win in the here and now and not save itself for lotto balls.  Just say no to being a lotto virgin.  Score when you have the chance. 

OK, we've run this bad boy on for quite a while now and it's time to wrap it up:

  • Kevin Love gave the team and its fans the 2nd "holy crap his knee exploded" moment of the season. The Big Piranha is in danger of becoming the White Willis Reed (copyright Son of Gerald Green) if he keeps this sort of thing up.  The Wolves are on a 3 year streak of seeing their 1st round pick go down to a season-ending leg injury (Rashad McCants, Randy Foye, and Corey Brewer).  Kevin Love needs to break the curse.  This will be another karmic sign that the team has turned a corner if he can make it through the entire season without horribly damaging his knee or Achilles tendon. 
  • The Memphis Griz remind me of a baseball team with decent young starting pitching but no bullpen.  With Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo they have two potential top-of-the-rotation guys and they are backed up by steady and solid workhorses in Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph.  The problem is that each of these guys is forced to go 7 innings per night if they want a chance to win and they are going to get gassed because their bullpen is absolute ass.  Take a quick look at the Griz's Basketball Reference page.  All 5 of their starters are averaging over 30 mpg while the biggest bench contributor tops out at just over 16 mpg (and he's a rookie).  It will be very interesting to see what happens to Memphis in the next year.  They obviously need help with their depth if they are going to hope to make the playoffs and this will require Chris Wallace to be more of a player than anyone on the active roster.  If they don't make a move, and if they do fade from playoff contention, and if Rudy Gay does get a large off-season offer, the Griz's place ahead of the Wolves on the grand rebuilding scale could be very short lived.  BTW: For old time's sake, please sign Rudy Gay.  Please, please, please, please, and please.  It was fun watching Rudy and Big Al trade buckets down the stretch.  That action needs to be happening on the same team. 
  • For the life of me I will never get how Marc Gasol gets away with some of the things he gets away with.  How can someone that big and strong, and who can dish it out in large amounts, look like he is being shot with a high powered rifle while being brushed by an opponent in a flopping situation.  Flopping is not smart play.  It is blatant cheating and it is terrible to watch.  Gasol's first flop of the game (that I noticed) was in the 2nd quarter when he was "fouled" by Corey Brewer after having his shot blocked by Al Jefferson. It is also amazing just how many moving screens and 3 second calls he gets away with, sometimes on the same play.  The worst of the night came on a long corner shot in the 4th from DeMarre Caroll.  Gasol started the play with a shuffling pick at the top of the key before wandering into the lane for a good 3+ seconds while the ball was kicked around to the corner for the Caroll shot.  I really like Gasol as a player and I would love to have him on the Wolves, but there are only so many moving screens, flops, and missed 3 seconds calls I can take from an opposing player before I get annoyed.  If he wants to bring that game here to Minny, suddenly I'm not so annoyed.  

That does it.  The Wolves go for 5 in a row Tuesday in Philly.  Until later.

Four Factors:

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
Memphis 90.0 113.3 55.2% 6.9 21.9 13.3
Minnesota 121.1 59.9% 14.8 21.6 7.8

 

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I'd take wins over improving lottery odds any day of the week...

…If those wins are begotten by the Timberwolves young core.

Last night’s game was great to watch (even if it didn’t get my undivided attention), and I absolutely love seeing Al go for stretches like he did in the 4th quarter where he played good enough on the defensive end and was masterful offensively. That deflection, save, and then dunk by Brewer was the hustle play of the year and I certainly hope someone puts together a 2009-10 Brewer highlight reel on YouTube when the year is done, because he’s easily the most exciting player on the team when it comes to giving the casual fan what they want to see.

Rambis sticking with the rotation even when there were multiple points in the game where he could have gone away needs to be commended as well. I’m becoming more and more confident in his coaching ability (obviously since they’re on a 4 game winning streak).

Great win, great game. Next up is Philadelphia, I think Flynn and Sessions could see a good amount of minutes next to each other seeing that both have been playing well on this mini-streak and Philadelphia sometimes goes small. Not going to jinx the team… but I think most of you can read my mind on what I want to say.

by Casperkid23 on Feb 7, 2010 9:22 AM CST reply actions  

I was on the Fail Train earlier in the year, but I forgot how fun it was to watch the Wolves win basketball games. Then I remembered how stupid it was to depend on a lottery system, to improve the Wolves. Look at how screwed the Kings and Wizards were last year. Then the Bulls with the 9th worst record won the year before and the Blazers won with the 6th worst record the year before that. Most people believe the lottery is fixed anyways, so if there was a year the Wolves would actually improve their draft status for once, it would be the year that Glen Taylor listened to David Stern’s recommendation of David Kahn for GM.

I think the Wolves are on the cusp making a good to great team. Taylor is just going to have to open up his pocket book. There are so many good players available right now and the Wolves have the assets to get any of them, without really touching their core pieces. I really hope Kahn makes a play for AI2 and Dalembert. I love Dalembert as the 3rd big man in the rotation. KMart would be a great fit with the post presences we have. I am drooling thinking about all of these players. Then add in Rubio and the Wolves could have a very good team and with a little luck in the draft (Turner) they could have the makings of a great team.

by Jaughn on Feb 7, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the...

…forgetting how fun it is to watch and root for good basketball angle is a very good one. I love professional basketball and I had forgotten how much fun it was above and beyond watching the world’s best ballers play to actually have a rooting interest for a home team that performed at an upper level. Last night’s 2nd half was the most exciting ball the Wolves have played in a long, long time and it was simply fun to watch.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks. I really do miss watching good basketball. I have been going to games since they were in the Dome. I just feel so apathetic now. I want them to do well, but I just don’t have that emotional stake in the Wolves I once had. Do you think the Wolves will be aggressive at the deadline? Or do you think they will just be patient and see what happens in the draft and make moves after that?

by Jaughn on Feb 7, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

The non-sexy answer...

..is that I think David Kahn will only move for value and I think he is going to be a solid steward of the team’s assets. I think they have done a fantastic job of scouting more and getting a hold on what their own guys are worth and what they would need to be moved for in order for the team to get value.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I definitely think we need to get some value out of any deals. I would love to see deals like expirings, Utah and CHA firsts for Iguodala and Dalembert. I would even consider throwing in Wayne Ellington too. Or Jonny Flynn, Rights to Pekovic, Ryan Gomes, and Pavlovic for Kevin Martin. Or Jonny Flynn for Rudy Gay. I think there are so many teams worried about money that Kahn will be able to take advantage of them if he wants to.

by Jaughn on Feb 7, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I've watched the last 2 games

and I have been SO impressed with this team. Kurt really knows what hes doing, and it seems as if the guys are getting the hang of the Triangle.

I think a key area they need to improve is the running down the floor and shooting right away. J-Fly did that a couple of times and so did Wilkins, but that can be fixed.

Other than that, I’m actaully excited to watch them on Tuesday. GO WOLVES!

Random Question: Anybody know when the Heat come to town? (Wade is my favorite player, so I like to go to the Heat games when they come. But I want the WOlves to win)

I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.

by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Feb 7, 2010 9:25 AM CST reply actions  

It's also..

…Hoopus Night, i.e. the 2nd Annual Mark Madsen 3 Point Extravaganza Memorial and Remembrance….also known as the last home game of the year.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

oh Cool!

I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.

by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Feb 7, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Could they, should they, would they....

Bring back Madsen just for that game. A good tank session might be in order at that time if they keep winning.

by Rumblebee on Feb 7, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

It was a special game....

…to see in person. Brian Cardinal tore it up for the Griz and Madsen made a fool of himself and the organization.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know whether the first part of this article

was at all inspired by my post/whine/inspired rant (pick one) in the acquire a 2nd high lotto pick thread, but it certainly resonates with me.

My answer is: I want to win games. Obviously, this season through the summer is about draft pick and cap space usage, but for me, that’s it. I want that cap space used to best effect by next training camp; and I want next season to be about winning. I get that they aren’t going to jump immediately to championship level, but it’s time to put winning at the top of the priority list in 2010-2011.

That also means that players continue to develop; obviously an important factor. But I want this team to be next season’s Oklahoma City. Time to step forward boys.

by Eric in Madison on Feb 7, 2010 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

It wasn't..

….I’ve been sitting on this angle for a while…waiting for them to win a few in a row. I was going to eventually tie it into the Sessions/Flynn minutes angle but I figured I’d go with it this morning. It was also kind of cathartic for me, as I do more than my fair share of draft/cap space speculation.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep,

I get so frustrated when I realize that what I’ve been rooting for is asset accumulation, not a basketball team.

Seeing this group put some good games together reminds me that watching winning basketball is the real pleasure. I want more.

by Eric in Madison on Feb 7, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

well put

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

No good place

for this comment, so I’ll put it here: somehow Corey Brewer’s development this year is also even sweeter when they’re winning. It’s just so odd that when I checked in on the game last night on my phone (I had to work) and Brewer’s scoring total was still in the low single digits at halftime I was actually kinda disappointed and wondering what the deal was. Checking in later and he was up in the middle teens I was like, ‘Ya, that’s right. Everything’s back to normal.’

What?!

Is this the same player, the same team? My guess right now is that most/all Twolves fans are still caught in the bizarro Twolves shock (this team pulling off a 4 win streak against teams like Dallas and Memphis, especially including an away/home back to back, JFly deferring to Sessions, Sessions actually scoring significantly, Love not blowing out his knee, etc = bizarro Twolves world).

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Feb 7, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Early in the year I had written Corey off as a 8th/9th man if we were lucky but now with the way he’s playing it really is like getting another lottery pick back.

by jballer_13 on Feb 7, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Also bizarro

Memphis is considered a win against a good team?!

About time Brewer starts backing up my constant support of him (irrational or not…).

by Mplax on Feb 7, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Brewer's biggest game of the whole stretch

Although statistically it doesn’t shine brighter, Brewer’s game last night was for me a tremendous faith builder. He struggled in the first half and then came out blazing in the second. What a turn around from the start of the season. For about the first two months Brewer was by far the most jeered player on the team. Now, you can actually here people yell “shoot it” when he has the ball. He was on his way to becoming McCants in terms of the fan opinion.

Jefferson could not have picked a better time for his 8 shots in a row. The countdown was down to two (games remaining before the trade deadline), and I don’t think a lot of season ticket holders would complain if the Wolves simply dumped Jefferson’s salary. Before last night’s game I still had it as a 50/50 that the Wolves would dump Jefferson’s salary before the deadline if for no other reason than to be over $20 million below the cap. Last night he displayed his greatest attribute which is 4th quarter closer. That game may have adjusted the odds.

by Mike B. on Feb 7, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

The tipping point is so obviously this coming summer.

First off, we’re not even going to have our own first round pick next year. The Clippers are going to have that choice, period. So next year, of course, wins are all good. Win as much as you can, and then add Ricky Rubio as your delayed elite talent just when the curse of the Jaric deal would otherwise have doomed me as a fan. Sounds perfect.

Kahn’s job this coming offseason is to make that step, and it’s a do-able thing. He’s got the money to sign free agents with, he’ll have a very decent draft pick up top and a bandoleer of other assets to use in making whatever draft moves he wants. Next summer is the time to make those moves that’ll bring us to the necessary critical mass of talent. Let’s ignite this star.

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by feral on Feb 7, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup! I am OK with wins this year, and in fact I like them, but it’s imperative to get as much talent on the roster this summer as possible. I’m hoping that we see a lot of competitive games in the 2nd half of the season while winning just enough to keep everyone happy and build confidence/chemistry, but not enough to move outside of the top 5. We absolutely need to at least get Evan Turner this summer, someway, somehow. It has to happen.

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree, although the tipping point could start at the deadline

Kahn needs to go strong one direction or the other. Either have one more BAD year to ensure another top 10 pick, or make a run at 35-40 wins. At the start of the season, I thought another bad season (with a pick in the 6-10 range would be necessary), but I now think they can play well next season and still have enough talent to build a winner.
This is why I would like Kahn to take back a useful vet, perhaps overpaid for a couple more years, assuming they also get another asset in exchange for helping a team save payroll the next couple seasons.

by Rumblebee on Feb 7, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The pick is actually Top 10 protected through 2011, so the Clippers will are guaranteed it in the 2012 draft.

by Jaughn on Feb 7, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

PD with another great post…. I picture Oly being our Mark Madsen at our championship parades.

by jballer_13 on Feb 7, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh

Good find. If I pay you each week, can you post the funny segments from that show? It shouldn’t take long . . .

by PoorDick on Feb 7, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Point 7

Good call, that would be awkward. I would also liken it to taking a girl out to a movie in the 9th grade…with your parents in the row behind you.

by Blakeley on Feb 7, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh heh

My father’s “sex” talk with me, about a year too late:

Him: Hey, some day you’re going to be with a girl.

Me: Uhh . . . yeah?

Him: Well, I’m not going to be there to tell you what to do.

Me: Uhh . . . promise?

Fini

by PoorDick on Feb 7, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

No wonder...

…you call yourself “poor dick.” :-)

by Kurosawa1 on Feb 7, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

#7 has always bothered me

What other owner sits right next to his team’s bench? There’s nothing wrong with being courtside, but there are a lot of courtside seats. He should really sit on the other side of the court.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 7, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Cuban

Cuban sits baseline next to his bench. And he acts like a spoiled 10 year old. He glares at players/coaches when they mess up, he throws his arms up when a call goes against them. A total embarrassment. That team and crowd is so whiney and I am convinced it is because they take the cue from the childish rich boy sitting courtside. At least Papa doesn’t play the fool, as far as I can tell. But, yeah, sit in a box or something.

'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott

by CaliWolf on Feb 7, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

#8

Exatly what i have been saying for a long time

by AT-360 on Feb 7, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, from what I’ve seen the last 6-8 weeks, I don’t think I’d swap Brewer for Mayo. I don’t see Mayo getting much better than he already is whereas it seems that Brewer still has way to go before reaching his potential. He’s clearly a work in progress but if he can cut down his turnovers and get his shooting up another coupla % pts, he’ll be a starter on a good team (hopefully this one).

by sheal on Feb 7, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Going off the last 6 weeks only, then perhaps.

But I think that is putting FAR too much stock into the last six weeks. The odds of Brewer ever being as consistently good as Mayo is now aren’t real good, in my opinion.

by LoveTo on Feb 7, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Dead solid post

For me — and I expect to be roundly booed for my opinion — the Wolves will never be a title contender as long as Love and Jefferson are the team’s best two “big” men.

I’m rooting for Sessions over Flynn, but there may also be the consideration of needing Ramon to lead the “second unit”. With all the hype surrounding Jonny, I think folks too easily forget that he is 1) a rookie, 2) undersized, and 3) not that great of a shooter.

And I’m enjoying the gradual, but continual improvement of Hollins and Ellington.

Has anyone noticed that the focus of conversation has moved away from David Kahn? This is, in my mind, a sign of improvement in the Wolves as well.

by levi_mn on Feb 7, 2010 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

Flynn could continue to start

if someone else was the main play creator/initiator (cough Turner/Rubio, or I guess Love on the second unit, cough), perhaps. I am kinda curious to see what Rambis will do with Sessions and Flynn, as his switch to Hollins as a starter took a long time (suggesting Rambis is methodical and willing to give rotations time to actually show what the do and don’t do well?), but is looking really, really smart now. I suppose a lot of people could also say that this was an evident move to be made months ago, but I’ll defer and give benefit of the doubt to the professional coaches/FO types and my own ignorance of all the behind the scenes considerations and discussions that take place with any pro sports team about who plays when and why. My guess, now, is that any switch to Ramon as a starter would also involve additional changes to the starting lineup (Gomes to the bench and Wilkens back starting?).

"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."

by biggity2bit on Feb 7, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Jonny will continue to start

but if he isn’t playing well, will gladly defer to Sessions. Jonny’s not an egotistical player. He can see when the team is playing better and obviously wants team success. I think Rambis will be smart enough to show Jonny tape of how Sessions gets his teammates better looks and give Jonny a chance to implement it. So Jonny may start, but Sessions may get more minutes at the end of the day.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I want the 2nd worst record

And this winning streak concerns me, even though it’s been fun to watch.

Howard, LeBron, Kobe, Dirk, Pierce, Rose, Carmelo, Deron, Duncan, Durant, Wade, Roy. Almost every playoff team got their best player through the draft. True, not every one of them was a top 3 pick, but most of them were and we need all the help we can get when it comes to drafting.

I don’t just want good basketball, I want to contend for a title in my lifetime. We don’t have that “best player” yet, so I’ll be rooting for ping pong balls until then.

by Django Z on Feb 7, 2010 9:56 AM CST reply actions  

Most were taken by teams who moved up in the draft lottery...

Lebron and D12 were taken by the worst teams in the league and Carmelo went to the 2nd worst team but Kobe, Dirk, Pierce, Rose, Deron, Duncan, Durant, Wade, CP3, Roy and even Tyreke were either not top 3 or taken by a team that moved up in the lottery process.

While lottery odds are huge, it’s far more important to worry about our talent evaluators and hope that they find the right guy (and actually keep him when they take him).

by jballer_13 on Feb 7, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Good points

Plus, Kobe, Dirk, and Roy aren’t even on the teams that originally drafted them. Kobe = Charlotte, Dirk = Milwaukee, and I don’t remember which team originally drafted Brandon Roy, but I know it wasn’t Portland.

by PoorDick on Feb 7, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

It was Minnesota

We traded him for Randy Foye and cash.

by Blakeley on Feb 7, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he was being sarcastic

I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.

by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Feb 7, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Blakely was too

So I hope you weren’t as well…. otherwise this vicious circle ended here. Dang.

by Mplax on Feb 7, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Also,

Kobe went 13th, Dirk went 9th, Roy went 6th, Pierce went 10th. Just to add in a few others, Nash went 15th, Allen went 5th, McGrady went 9th, Gay went 8th, Deng went 7th, Iguodala went 9th, Big Al went 15th.

It’s not the end of the world if we win a few games. It’s probably good for the fan base, signing free agents, and encouraging Ricky Rubio to play here. IMHO, we should be trying to make the playoffs next year.

by Mike B. on Feb 7, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Turner

Will still probably be #2 though

by Dib432 on Feb 8, 2010 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

With very, very few exceptions

You draft (or make a draft day trade – good point) to get the best player on a championship contender.

I don’t give a damn about Ray Allen, McGrady, Gay, Deng or Big Al. Those are 2nd or 3rd best players. We can draft those, we can trade for them, we can even sing one as a free agent.

But the best player, the horse you ride is taken on draft day, Teams don’t trade that caliber of player after they know what he is, only before anyone knows. And they rarely change teams as free agents and when they do they DON’T sign to play in a place like Minnesota.

So yes, you can draft those players occasionally outside of the top 3…but do you really want to test fate and hope that the T-Wolves have lighting strike and pick that player??? After all we’ve been through?!? Screw that.

Give me the top 3 pick, preferably top 2. They don’t always turn out, but it’s the best chance we have to get that numero uno player.

by Django Z on Feb 8, 2010 2:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Sessions was great, last night. If he played like that consistently, I’d agree that he should start over Flynn. Hope he can keep that up. Also hope he learns how to shoot free throws. That pair of misses with a few minutes to go seemed like a back-breaker at the time.

That was a really impressive win — Memphis is a very good team, and played well, last night.

by Andy G on Feb 7, 2010 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

The FTs are why it's not as big of a stretch to see Flynn as a finisher

This is more of a response to the original post, but even thinking back to Friday’s game in Dallas. Sessions didn’t exactly light it up in his second-half minutes, and Flynn made two huge plays down the stretch. There’s something to be said for having a scoring point guard in the last two minutes if the offense is stagnant, particularly if he makes 85% of his free throws.

I think ugly ball vs. pretty ball is at the crux of the Flynn/Sessions and Jefferson/Love arguments (death matches?). The Wolves won ugly in Dallas. They won ugly at home vs. Philly and on the road against Utah and Denver. There’s obviously some crossover between the two, but Jefferson and Flynn are better equipped to produce in those ugly games where the only way the team will win is by taking the air out of the ball, going to isos, and looking for the other guys to chase down loose balls/defend like crazy/rebound.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 7, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Well for me, although his game is raw, Flynn is the guy who I have more faith in down the stretch do get something good. It’ll more likely be for himself, but I just feel like there is more possibility with the ball in his hands. And frankly while Flynn may not be the future for the team, in my mind Sessions absolutely is not in the long term plan for the Wolves, he’s a placeholder/trade bait (although he’s largely played his way out of the latter). In many games Sessions has seemed very Telfair like, in that he clearly has pretty good basketball (especially passing) instincts, but his lack of scoring/shooting ability hampers his ability to create.

by sheal on Feb 7, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m a bit lost on Sessions’ lack of scoring. The guy is a great layup shooter. His angles and finishing ability seem pretty superb to me.

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but he’s way, way better around the hoop. He might be bad in other areas, but he’s a legit threat to score at the rim, whereas Bassy wasn’t a legit threat from anywhere.

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

True

He is very strong around the basket. One of the more physical point guards I’ve ever seen, in the way he draws contact.

by Andy G on Feb 7, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, and he seems to be really really good at taking the right angle to the hoop and finishing strong. I think we’d see a lot more from him if he didn’t have Flynn draining his minutes. I’m glad he’s finding his stride and proving that last year might not have been a fluke.

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Post

I think after the 1-15 start and the blowout losses at Milwaukee and NY I was ready to write the season off as a waste and was hoping for the best chance at Turner/Wall, but in last night’s game I saw flashes of the team that I was picturing 2 years from now: a true PG running our offense to perfection, huge scoring contributions from our wings, and clutch 4th Q dominance from Big Al. This is the type of improvement I was expecting after hearing about Kahn’s 16 month vision and focus on player development.

So in short, I absolutely want to see them continue to win. I know it hurts our chances for ping-pong balls but honestly, were we going to win the lottery anyways? If we end up with a top 8 pick, 2 other picks and a ton of assets, I think Kahn could make a play to move up and get Turner/Johnson/whoever (except Wall obviously) he feels like he needs to get in the draft.

by jballer_13 on Feb 7, 2010 10:09 AM CST reply actions  

A couple points

1) I don’t think there’s a Wolves fan who doesn’t want wins. But to me, paying more attention to wins than the draft begins at the beginning of the season. So while I want the Wolves to win every damn game they can, I will always be more interested in the potential of Turner and Wall, and the potential of Rubio and Peckovic, than I will in this year’s team’s win/loss record. What I’m most interested, however, is the ongoing development of the players on the squad. And we can all agree that everyone on the team (well, those that matter) are playing better now than at the beginning of the year, yes?

2) You pick Tice because he’s emblematic of a Minnesota franchise tanking, right? If that’s the case, you should really have put of Red McCombs. Tice was just a guy taking an opportunity afforded to him by the most blatant sell job in sports possibly ever.

3) Is there a point where we might not be looking at Gay, and instead focusing on other positions? Over December, January, and the first two games this month, Brewer has shot 46% from the floor, 37% from three, and has a 69:68 assist:turnover ratio. If his defense gets back on the track it was (and he’s certainly looked strong on D over the win streak), couldn’t the Wolves money be better spent looking at another position?

by McCleak on Feb 7, 2010 10:21 AM CST reply actions  

Tice..

…is the pick because I think he’s the guy with the quote they always play on KFAN: “ENJOY THE SEASON!!”

Also, he is the ultimate example of, as you say, the most blatant sell job in sports history. I don’t follow the Vikes anymore but even I picked up on that one.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

re: point 3

I’ve been thinking the exact same thing over the last 3-4 weeks, but didn’t really want to say anything b/c I didn’t want to jinx him. I think I am jaded enough as a Wolves fan that it’s easier to simply accept that Brewer’s a bust and not to trust his production and just to assume that anything more than 40% shooting and 7-8 points a game from him is all gravy. But very quietly this year Brewer has begun to make me wonder whether or not, (and I feel really weird typing/suggesting this as McCleak points out above), we already have our dynamic wing on the roster?

Here’s the truth as I see it: what if we had the opportunity to sign a 6-9 athletic dynamo who’s shooting (quoting McCleak above) 46% from the floor, 37% from three; who plays within the triangle offense and is one of his team’s most consistent and best defenders, and how is still young and growing/developing as a player? Sure, questions surround his ability to be a star type player, but then again he does have the pedigree of being one of the leaders/stars of a two time national championship college team. This seems like the type of perimeter player we’d be interested in signing, but b/c people know it’s Brewer all we can think of is the guy who apparently wasn’t given adequate coaching under McHale and Wittman (the guy who couldn’t hit the broadside of Target Center from 10 feet out with a basketball). I can’t help but compare him to Trevor Ariza right now, but who has the greater upside if we take Brewer’s recent play into consideration?

Brewer’s PER (all this year): 12.6; Ariza’s at 12.2
Brewer’s eFG% is .471, Ariza’s at .437
Both score 15.5 points/36 minutes
Both average 5.3 rebounds/36 mintues
Brewer averages per 36 min. 1.6 steals/2.4 TOs, whereas Ariza is at 1.6 steals/2.2 TOs.
Ariza makes approx. $3 million more per year than Brewer, and is probably a better defender although he also plays on a significantly better defensive team.

Now, I’m not saying that we shouldn’t try to find another great wing player to add to this squad, but is it possible that Brewer is playing himself into one of the key guys that this squad builds around in the future?

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by biggity2bit on Feb 7, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

If he can play this way consistently, then he absolutely becomes a fixture on this team.

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed...

…but they still need a real starting small forward.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

No 3 for CB?

Why not start Cory at the SF spot? And focus on getting another SG/SF type that is a “wing player”?

by littleboxes on Feb 7, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

He still gets pushed around by the big 3s of the world..

…while being a menace to most shooting guards.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

yes

His defence at the 2 is much better than at the 3.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Can he be a 2 on defense

and a 3 on offense? A slightly shorter, stronger player could be the 2 on offense while still being big enough to defend a 3.

by Rumblebee on Feb 7, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

yes with a player

of Damien Wilkins size who is more athletic.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Rudy..

….it just makes a ton of sense. They need a big athletic 3.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

if they can get him for less than 10M

yes. If not, he will hamstring this franchise. At this point it is a crapshoot. I would gladly sign him for 8-10M a year for as long as he wants. With our coaching, he would really become a star and complete this team.

With someone like Whitside of course. Not really sure how the depth athletic 4/5 guy will be after Hollins.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Not for nothing

but after last night’s game it appeared Al had a few words of encouragement for RGay.

Still, it’s going to be a seller’s market for Gay’s services, and I’m guessing the Wolves have a better shot of getting an overpaid 3 via trade rather than getting Gay in FA.

by PoorDick on Feb 7, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

No doubt

We still need a big-time wing, either at the 3 or the 2, as I’m still not convinced Brewer can become a go-to scorer. He’s become a solid 3rd or 4th option of late, but I highly doubt he can ever rise above that level. He just doesn’t have the handles or elite shooting touch. The good news is that he’s gone from horrible to solid offensively (his TS% still isn’t that great), but there is a limit to his ceiling offensively.

by Rascal Flatts on Feb 7, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

There’s a ceiling to every player, and from what we’ve seen the last several weeks I think you’d have to agree we clearly have not seen all he can offer. Believe me I was pretty bummed a month into the season, and was ready to write him off, but he’s demonstrated over a reasonably long stretch that this isn’t just a fluke. Also what we’ve seen of him in the open floor makes me imagine what he might be like on a team with Rubio out on the break. He may not be able to keep it up, but until he stops doing it, it’s only fair to assume he will continue to play well (much like we all assumed he’d continue to suck at shooting).

by sheal on Feb 7, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm starting to think

the Wolves can get the other wing they need using their assets rather than free agency, and let
Brewer be the other starter.

by Rumblebee on Feb 7, 2010 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it Corey's defense that looks better

or is it the team’s defense finally catching up to Corey’s?

by Mplax on Feb 7, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Both

He is no longer collapsing at will and the rest of the team is rotating better when he does. I think earlier in the year he was playing free safety too much and getting torched by 3-point shooters. He still isn’t elite though. Last night OJ Mayo made a beautiful backdoor cut on Brewer along the baseline and burned him badly. And the other night when they played New York, Wilson Chandler destroyed Brewer.

by Rascal Flatts on Feb 7, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha yes, both would be the best answer to my poorly worded question

I should have asked, what is the bigger factor? I for one, believe it is that the team defense is coming together and Corey isn’t an island out there anymore. Not to say it won’t revert back to that once we play a contender, but there have still been obvious improvements. Kudos to Rambis. And also, Corey is still getting his legs back under him after the injury the same as Jefferson is. Defensive timing is tough, but he definitely has the ability to get it down again.

I’m not sure how to classify Brewer as a defensive player. On the one hand, he gets pushed around by the bigger, stronger 3s of the world and he does pretty well against smaller, quicker 2s. But he also seemed to do well (at least pre-injury) against Pierce and decent against Lebron. Does he relish the challenge or what?

by Mplax on Feb 7, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a competitor that's for sure

I think he likes the idea of trying to shut down a guy, but I’ve seen him play more free safety this season. Even last night he’d occasionally gamble off of Mayo. On one occasion, he was able to recover and make a nice closeout that resulted in Mayo hitting the side of the backboard with his shot. On another, he couldn’t get back to Mayo on time and OJ had a wide open 3 point make. Personally, I think he needs to be more judicious with his help defense. If he’s guarding guys like Sefolosha, he can gamble more. But with OJ he really needs to stay home.

by Rascal Flatts on Feb 7, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Fantastic Post
The main indicator for turning the corner will be a firm and wide-spread rejection of the lottery ball fetish that could accompany the team on its journey away from the 2nd worst record in the league

SnP with great timing again. Also kudos to Poor Dick

I think we underestimate what it does to young players in their early 20’s losing consistently year after year. It’s easier from the insularity of your computer to root for lottery position than it would be to play for a laughingstock of a team losing by +30 point margins to such powerhouses as the Knicks and Bucks.

This team had to start winning, or at least competing, or these guys were going to get so used to losing that a Derrick Favors or whomever was not going to be able to come in and change this losing culture. Again, you never want to say that it’s “ok to lose” no matter what the circumstances

by Son of Gerald Green on Feb 7, 2010 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

This is a prescient comment

and not just the part about me, either.

Young talented guys who are perennial losers don’t allofasudden make a championship run upon turning 30. There needs to be a culture in place on which to build. That doesn’t need to be winning every game, but it does need to be about help defense, assists, communication, accountability, bust your ass, and have fun.

Whether it’s by design or they’re faking it, this no a-hole team appears to be developing that postive culture.

by PoorDick on Feb 7, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree and disagree about this

Mainly because I think players who grew up winning in high school and college don’t forget that mentality in the pros. Is it tougher? Yes and no. It’s more challenging, but they’re also better equipped to handle it than they were before. A guy like Paul Pierce didn’t experience a lot of success before winning a title; they went to the conference finals once in his first 6-7 seasons. Ray Allen had won 3 playoff rounds in his career before going to Boston. I’m more inclined to think that their college experiences helped them along the way than to assume that their sole experiences in the conference finals were all they needed to get over the hump.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 7, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

if you are a loser that gets a talent

you just have to clean house enough to allow for a culture change. It can be done, but cleaning house also affects team chemistry from a play standpoint which breaks down each players ideal role and can lead to sporadic play. You can do it both ways but with the ways that the wolves are going about it is more fun to watch.

For me, it’s all the best parts of college. The attitudes, team support and togetherness is awesome to behold. It is very hard to do that while losing so many games. I think they were able to keep that attitude because of the belief that the wins will come. You have to learn how to win. Whether its improving your BBIQ, getting stronger, fixing parts of your game, etc.

You can’t go from “I got to get my stats” style of play to togetherness overnight, without at least some house cleaning. I think that’s what PD is talking about.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Dennis Green always had a theory that he drafted winners

because he didn’t want players who accepted losing. That’s where the Wolves need to tread carefully. A guy like Brewer is a winner, and they don’t want him to lose that attitude. Another year of losing badly could do more harm (bad attitudes) than good (lottery pick). It is also why I have never been bothered by Rubio spending an extra couple years in Spain playing for a contender. He will come here in due time with that winning edge!

by Rumblebee on Feb 7, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Screw ping pong balls...

I want to win. Having the second worse pick doesn’t guarantee S#*t! Even when you get the number one pick you can end up with Oden (knee) or Olowakandi or some other crap. If you want a proven NBA player, trade for an Iguodala or hope Lebron loves the Land of 10000 lakes. Some scoring studs come out of the second round too (see Monta Ellis). I think we got lucky with Rubio, Corey seems to be turning in to a starting wing and Jefferson is nice PF/C. We need a defensive big and a number 1 scoring wing. I think with our assests we can get Turner or Johnson and use a later picks to get someone like Varnado or someone similar. Keep winning.

by Wolf21 on Feb 7, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

Good post

I like the post a lot, but I think a great game by Sessions doesn’t negate some of the good things Flynn, a rookie, has been doing. Both have their strengths and neither is so much better than the other as to make the choice obvious as to the starting role. As a Wolves fan from the beginning, I want them to win. Winning the lottery has always been a long shot in Minnesota and even if we did, getting Wall would present its own set of problems. I want to see the seats full. I want to be in ‘building mode’ not constantly in ‘rebuilding mode’. People who post here have a higher level of interest than more casual fans, wearing our continued support like its a badge of honor. We are somehow more worthy than other fans. But many others will lose interest and will move on, leaving the Wolves forever. Let the team win some now. Let these players develop. Get a decent draft pick, don’t worry about getting the ‘perfect’ pick. Stop using every good game by a player as a reason to get rid of said player for someone the poster perceives as a better fit for us. How many here would have traded Brewer for an old athletic bag not so long ago. Things change.

by ogishkemuncie on Feb 7, 2010 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

The Rambis Revolution

I don’t think Sessions has been consistent enough to take the starting spot from Flynn. Rambis may continue to start Flynn, but give more time to Sessions which is fine with me. Flynn is learning to contribute outside of scoring and when he’s playing with the starters he isn’t the primary scoring option, and thus isn’t forced into a purely scorer’s role… Long term I do see Flynn as a Ben Gordon/J. Terry type, but if he can add other skills to his game now, all the better…

The real newsbreaker to me is that Rambis is starting to show that he can coach. It’s been a long time since the wolves had a decent coach, (Casey). I’ve had reservations about Rambis, but his work has begun to pay dividends with the young players and the team.

by DR_JPK on Feb 7, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Player Development

I wonder if Corey’s success can be attributed to the coaching staff or if this is a case where he himself is finally getting “it”. After watching him in summer league and through the first 30 some games I thought he had hit his relative ceiling, so to see his emergence over the past 20 games has been astonishing and I think that Rambis and Co. deserve some credit.

by jballer_13 on Feb 7, 2010 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

David Thorpe

Talks a lot about working with Brewer during the off season in his chats. He’s been very high on him because of both his character and his work ethic. You also gotta believe though that Rambis/Kahn believing in Corey from the start has been an integral part of his development as well.

by Blakeley on Feb 7, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

His shooting technique is more consistent than it has been in the past

I think that’s equal parts coaching staff, Hoiberg, Thorpe, and Brewer.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 7, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you imagine..

if we didn’t pick up his option?

by LoveTo on Feb 7, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

absolutely

Someone was ripping Kahn early this season for picking-up Brewer’s option and not Pech’s contract after he had that one 20 point game at the beginning of the season.

We’re probably all too quick to jump to conclusions as we play fantasy GM with the pups.

by TWolvesFanInLA on Feb 7, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not gonna rant but

Sessions got us one win, while FLynn got us the last three. I am probably a little bit biased here because i am a huge Jonny Flynn fan, but you cannot say that all Flynn can be as sparkplug off the bench. I still think Flynn should continue to start, becasue he gives us some things that Sessions can’t. I think with the game on the line, Flynn has shown time and time again, that he raises his game to another level and makes all the right play, but sessions makes all the right plays, but nothing spectacular. I think with Flynn you have to take the good with the bad and hope that as his career goes along, he improves on the bad, because right now, he is already a better scorer than Sessions. As the season has gone along, Flynn has also improved his asist to turnover ratio. But a great win from my faverite sports team none-the-less

by AT-360 on Feb 7, 2010 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

I was going to post something very similar.

The Wolves four game win streak is because the play from both point guards has been solid. Sessions played much better than Flynn last night but lately they have both played well.

by Menyun3 on Feb 7, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

I feel we on this site we bring out the negatives of Flynn way to much instaed of focusing on the positives, I mean, he is just a rookie, he has tons of time to fix his mistakes but, his termendous attitude and heart can’t be tought, i like him for the same reason i liked and continue to like Kevin Garnett, they play very hard and have a great attitiude.

by AT-360 on Feb 7, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

It seems like everyone jumps on Flynn. The games ive seen Sessions doesnt really look better then Flynn. I think since the 15 game losing streak Flynn has an Assist/turnover ratio slightly above 2 and Sessions’ is slightly below 2. Plus Flynn is a superior scorer and i would much rather Flynn have the ball at the end of a game.

by Gophers12 on Feb 7, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Memphis' bench

I think there’s at least a little there. The 3 rookies they have coming off it (Thabeet, Young, Carroll) could be good in that role in the future. Who knows what the starting five will look like by then though, they’re not built for a long run, someone will have to replace Zack before they take this too far. Not to mention Rudy, possibly.

Hard to say about the ping pong balls vs wins debate, I definitely want to see a win everytime I tune in, but long term I’d love us to have the second best odds in the lottery. Life is difficult.

by museum on Feb 7, 2010 11:45 AM CST reply actions  

thinking ahead

One of the other things that I think showing continual improvement, partic. in the latter half of the season would do is to provide a BIT of a launching pad going into next season that would need to happen regardless of our personnel moves. OKC didn’t have a great season last year, but they ended their season on enough of a promising note to provide a little bit of buzz going into this year. And I don’t think a similar level of competitiveness would go unnoticed by some free agents, Rubio, etc. So in a weird way it IS looking ahead to next year—just not with ping pong balls. Because you’re totally right, it’s all about changing the dominant lupine narrative, in baby steps.

by Rasho Revolution on Feb 7, 2010 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

This....

is exactly what I was thinking as well. Honestly I’m hoping for a .500-ish record the rest of the way out which would still leave us with the 5th-8th worst record but would definitely work towards changing the culture of losing we’ve been accustomed to.

by jballer_13 on Feb 7, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

We don't have OKC's roster

We’re just not on that level. What they’re doing is fairly historical. Not to turn the flamethrower on your positivity, but we’re not the Thunder and few teams in the history of the league have been. But I do think that we’ll get better.

by museum on Feb 7, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

no worries

Definitely, I agree we’re not at that level talent-wise. It was more of an analogy. In a more modest way I think continual steps on the Wolves’ part can provide a platform next year for “franchise development” (to pair up with “player development.”).

(BTW, speaking of OKC, has anyone seen the documentary Sonicsgate? It’s available online for free. Very very eye-opening.)

by Rasho Revolution on Feb 7, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I really like Durant and OKC

but let’s not put them in the pantheon just yet. The number of young exciting squads who became eventual champions is dwarfed by those that started strong, got better, and then rusted or burned out before winning it all.

by PoorDick on Feb 7, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m not saying they’ll win a championship. I think they probably will at some point, but who can say for sure? I’m just saying that their turnaround going by the number of wins as compared to the year before is going to be one of the best. Most likely. Not that I’m looking it up. But Boston broke the record a couple years ago, which was San Antonio’s from Duncan’s rookie year. What’s impressive though is that they’re doing it with no real change from last year at all, not even the coach. I think Harden is easily the biggest add for them. I’m willing to bet if you found the list of best turnarounds, that would be close to unprecedented.

by museum on Feb 7, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

what a game mayn!!

i wuz der mayn! it wuz too thowed mayn! I wuz gone off de Jack D an de Kill mayn u alreddy know mayn i started crying almost when Love went down mayn it wuz too eery like Al lass year it might have been an exact year sicne dat i though fo show dis is de end uv de season for all purposes mayn but den he came back an i wuz like MAYNNN HOL UP dass dat boi K LOVE DE ANGRY WHOPPER MAYN ISS WONDERFUL!!!

dis game wuz exactly, and i mean EXACTLY, like de New Orleans game lass year. Big al kicked it out ta Foye for de dagger three, and Al put his arms in de air before he even shot it. it went in uv course and our wonderful january continued…

well mayn dis same thang happened wit K LOVE lass night. Al put his arms in de air, and February turnin inta lass years January. LESS GO MAYN I LOVE DE WOLVES MAYN HOL UP!!!!

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Feb 7, 2010 12:32 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

I hope we see him at Hoopus night...

Just to see Kahn’s reaction to a question, though I really hope he doesn’t change just for Kahn… that would be disappointing.

by Mplax on Feb 7, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh he’ll be there. Answering questions from the crowd about his tenure as GM.

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought it was obvious from the dialect

but “MAYNHOLUP” is actually a 73 year old grandmother from Fergus Falls, known to her friends and family as “Beverly.”

by PoorDick on Feb 7, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

he's been pushing that name...

…for over a year now ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

it is pretty catchy

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahahahaha

Angry Whopper. I can just imagine some accouncers saying that. “De Angry Whopper controls the board!” My vote is for this. What did we call him before? K Love?

+1

by Mplax on Feb 7, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I have tried to stay away from that one… The Twins connection is too weak and… inappropriate (IMO).

by Mplax on Feb 7, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Harder than we think it is

Sometimes I think we forget about how hard it is to be good in the NBA, both as a player and as a team. Think about all of the really great college players who look really average in the pros. Then, it shouldn’t surprise us when someone like Corey Brewer takes two and a half years to figure out how to play like a NBA starter. Also, we shouldn’t surprised that it takes time for a team to learn how to playing together. We have to remember that these guys are trying to learn how to play together while playing against the best in he world. Kind of like learning how to walk while wrestling with a bear. But, as Tom Hanks said in a great movie "If it wasn’t hard, everyone would do it. It’s the hard that makes it great."

by jgale on Feb 7, 2010 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

It took longer than I thought it would though

I knew November and December would be rough due to all of the newness and Love being out. But I figured by January we would start to see a turnaround a little more along the lines of what we’re seeing now. Rambis really took his time with guys like Pavs in the rotation when most of us wanted him off the team by December.

On paper, this team is not a sub-20 win squad. Most of us had them slated for 25 – 30ish wins and the fact is the team and Rambis underachieved until recently. We have talent. Rambis just didn’t deploy it that well at first and SnP makes a good point that he’s still not deploying it in an ideal fashion by keeping Sessions as our backup PG.

by Rascal Flatts on Feb 7, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

I’m glad I wasn’t reading the boards back when the team was starting slow yet making the playoffs. Anyone else remember that 8 game losing streak they had during their first 50-win season? Or starting something like 19-21 and ending up with home court advantage in the first round?

by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 7, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

By the way, SnP

here’s a little four-game-winning-streak present just for you.

by PoorDick on Feb 7, 2010 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

the tuture queen of america!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Sigh. That’s like going into a math test with the following notes on your hand:

Can’t divide by 0
Denominator is on the bottom
“Sum” means you add them

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

To say nothing of the validity..

…of the political philosophy behind the motives of those voting GOP in 2008 (I don’t want to start a political argument and I think Palin can be addressed without talking about her politics…which is amazing by itself), I will never cease to be amazed that someone so obviously unqualified as Palin made it as close as she did to the White House. It’s almost a national security issue.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

being a conservative republican in Alaska is like being a diehard liberal in MN. With the tax structure in Alaska in her tenure as Gov, Alaskan citizens actually got paid. How hard is it to balance a budget? You never learn anthing about either yourself or someone else until faced with trying times. Being president is all about trying times. No one is ever please enough and you always piss someone off. No one from Alaska will ever be president or vice president as long as individual citizens don’t make the financial sacrafices as some other states.

Not that they aren’t worthy, but they likely haven’t been placed in that pressure cooker that makes them be able to articulate a plan in a PC manner than doesn’t piss off the majority.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I will never cease to be amazed that someone so obviously unqualified as Palin made it as close as she did to the White House. It’s almost a national security issue.

It’s a world security issue.

Won't someone think of the ping pong balls?

Kurt Rambis - stop this insanity!

by Auswolf on Feb 8, 2010 2:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh heh

With a pair of Tahhd’s binoculars, she can almost see Australia from Alaska, so I wouldn’t worry about it.

by PoorDick on Feb 8, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Also,

a la a one-star cable movie, it would not surprise me if McCain and/or the GOP took a look at the economic sh*tstorm about to explode and said, “Yeah, Barry? You’ve got this. To prove it and to make it so, we’re going to add the biggest idiot we can find to the ticket to make it look like we’re trying and not wasting the nine-ten figures of contributions we’ve received, but hopefully we’ll lose. In four years after you’ve had to make the tough decisions and take the flak, we’ll take over and declare Morning in America The Sequel.”

by PoorDick on Feb 8, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Draft Day Decisions 2009 - Memphis and Minnesota

Imagine if Memphis trades its pick to Minnesota for Foye and Miller. How good would those two players look coming off the bench for Memphis right now? Even if Memphis would have required us to throw in the 6th pick, I think we are still looking better with that trade than we are today. We take Rubio or Evans (and Rubio comes here with the extra $$), and we keep whatever point guard we take at 18 (whether its Lawson, Holiday, Maynor, Collison, or even Flynn – yes, I am implying that if we did not take Flynn at 6, there is a small chance he could have dropped all the way to 18).

Looking back with perfect hindsight, both teams would have benefitted from this, even if the deal required the Wolves to use all three assets. I guess it can’t be judged until we see what comes from the Charlotte pick. The deal would have been sweet for Memphis who could badly use the depth right now.

by Mike B. on Feb 7, 2010 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

Milwaukee said

they would have taken Flynn over Jennings if he had been available. So we might have Jennings (and I would probably be the only one not happy with that…) or Holiday (more my style) instead of Flynn.

by Mplax on Feb 7, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting take

although I would have had a hard time giving up #6 and essentially #5 for the 2nd pick. Those two guys and the 18th pick might have been a win-win.

by Rumblebee on Feb 7, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Notes from the Target Center

I attended the game last night, skipping work to do so. We’ll see how that plays out, but as of now, I’d say it was totally worth it. Stuff I saw while I was there:

-What an atmosphere! There was a good turnout, and it felt like 2004 in there as the game intensified. Of course, like Stop-n-Pop said, it was a perfect game to get people excited: good defense but better offense, with the home team down early, staying tough, gradually chipping away at the lead, then finally taking it and winning late in the 4th. It’s infinitely more enjoyable to watch than the Dallas win, where we had the lead, then slowly choked it away over the course of 4th before recovering.

-I was able to sneak into seats a few rows behind the Wolves’ bench at halftime. The guys seemed happy, seemed like they liked each other.

-Al Jefferson doesn’t get nearly enough press for his fourth quarter prowess. We’re not involved in enough close fourth quarters to really have a proper stat for it that I can find, but anecdotally, it sure seems like Al is always there for tough buckets when we need them. I think clutchness is overrated as a whole (give me the player who gives my team a ten point lead through 3 quarters any day), but there is a certain value to being able to manufacture quality shots against set, aggressive defenses. Given the opportunity, Big Al gives us that offense better than any big man in the league.

-Rudy Gay had a great game, but he hit a lot of tough shots to do it. I could easily see him going 7-18 on those same shots. With his athleticism and skill, it’s a wonder he doesn’t go to the rim more. Looking at his shot chart, he had 2 shots at the rim, and the 16 were all from 12 feet or further. He also didn’t shoot a single free throw all game.

-If ever there were a way to quickly feel better about a player repeatedly hitting tough shots over his defender, hearing the public address announcer dejectedly say “Gay.” is it. Hilarious every time.

-O.J. Mayo played a decent game by the box score, but he was invisible watching it. The Trade is looking good.

-Sitting with a great view of the Grizzlies’ basket in the second half, there were some intense battles for rebounds off of Memphis misses. Props to our guys for holding the league’s leading OReb% team to roughly 2/3 of their average.

-Hollins might be regressing to the norm. A player who played as badly as he did leading up to these four games simply wasn’t going to sustain that kind of performance. He had the worst play of the game early in the first, when he crossed the halfcourt line late as the Wolves were setting up their offense, then inexplicably stood a full 5 feet behind the 3 point line at the top of the key waiting for a pass. Once he had the ball, he obviously had to pass it off, a pass which was telegraphed, stolen, and led to a dunk at the other end. Also, he can have all the shot-blocking skills in the world, but without good instincts on rotations, he’ll end up with just 4 blocks over 120 minutes, as he does over the last four games.

-All that said, I’m ok with Hollins and Flynn starting, as long as Sessions and Love are closing. We lose that Dallas game if Hollins doesn’t foul out. And we lose this game if Flynn doesn’t keep himself on the bench (for which he should be commended).

by John Doe on Feb 7, 2010 3:25 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

I have to say

that I really dig that type of team attitude from players. It says alot about Jonny’s character. I think you will see Flynn starting but Sessions getting more minutes when he is clearly playing better from here on out.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I think (hope?) we may have reached the point

Where the team’s braintrust are getting serious about winning some games and establishing a culture. They fiddled around with the rotation for a long time, seeing what kind of players we had with those “project” acquisitions (and yes, probably stockpiling some losses for the ol’ lottery), and now hopefully we’ll see a consistent, reliable rotation from here on out. No Pavlovic, Pecherov or Jawai, plus Sessions playing all the minutes down the stretch, suggests to me that Rambis has done the evaluating he needed to do for this season and is now going to try and finish the year with as much momentum going into next year as possible.

by LoveTo on Feb 7, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

But we know that Rambis was going to put Flynn back in at the end (and one presumes if Flynn had played well, he’d finish the game as well), so Sessions being in the game doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

by sheal on Feb 7, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

If Flynn is playing well

he will finish the game. But if he isn’t and Sessions is, then I think Flynn will willingly take himself out.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I was going to make note of what you said about Al after the last game, as well. In that tilt he was pretty quiet for the first 3 quarters , mainly playing D and knocking down open jumpers off the ball. He really didn’t post up much at all until 4th, when he stepped up and calmly knocked down a couple clutch shots when the team needed him to generate some offense. You can carp all you want about his efficiency (or lack thereof), but I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: being able to create a clean shot when the defense clamps down is a hugely important skill in playoff basketball and is one reason I can’t get behind dumping Al yet.

And I also thought the same thing about Gay. Outside of his fast break dunks, I’m pretty sure at least 90% of his shots were jumpers, mostly contested. Being able to hit those shots is pretty impressive, but contested jumpers shouldn’t be your bread and butter because they aren’t always going to fall. He really needs to learn a post game or some simple moves to get to the rack, because it’s a shame to see a guy with that type of physical profile with such a poor shot selection. I’d still love him here, don’t get me wrong, but he could be soooooo much better if he stopped settling for bad shots.

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

he definitely needs

the 10-10-10 rule that Karl used with melo

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d say absolutely NO contested jumpers unless there are fewer than 5 seconds on the shot clock. They have to change his mentality somehow. If he had the mindset of Flynn, even with weak ball handling he’d still be beast.

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice post JD

You get my first “rec” on this board!

You get it for pointing out Al’s 4th quarter prowess, calling out Rudy for not being aggressive going to the hoop (eerily similar to the knocks on Paul George), and saying Mayo was invisible.

I really wonder how much I would miss Al if he were ever traded, seeing that I do more than my share of complaining about the Timberwolves front court, yet I frequently find myself amazed at what he can do offensively (even if it’s statistically not as efficient as other methods) and also have seen unexpected improvement this year in quite a few areas.

by Casperkid23 on Feb 7, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The "Gay" Line

About four or five people behind me laughed every time. The announcer seemed to emphasize it. My wife thinks I want to sign Rudy Gay to hear the announcer exclaim Rudy Gay, from Kevin Love. Announcer is bound to slip once and just use the last names.

by Mike B. on Feb 7, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve been contemplating this for a while now, but given the nickname discussion sparked a few posts above, I think the time is right. I would like to make a motion to bestow upon Corey Brewer the nickname Roadhouse. Why, you ask? Because he’s the double deuce. He’s rowdy and he’s usually out of control (sometimes to the point of being dangerous), but damn it if he isn’t a lot of fun to watch. I’m also pretty sure only Patrick Swayze circa 1989 could stop him once he gets going.

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 3:56 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I like it.

Particularly because now I’m seeing Peter Griffin beat people up and then say, “Roadhouse.”

by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 7, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Don’t you want more excuses to yell “ROADHOUSE!”?

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Just hope that no one else....

….signs Dalton. He’ll lock down Brewer in a heartbeat.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

How about that bear

for the center position? Seemed physical enough.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually just discussed with my friend tonight

about how nicknames suck nowadays. I can’t get behind calling everyone by some combination of their initials and their number or their favorite sexual act. I wish we still had names like Magic, Ice Man, Matrix, The Truth, The Answer, His Airness, Larry Legend, Hakeem the Dream, the Admiral, the Round Mound of Rebound, etc etc.

So Roadhouse, while a little more obscure, still gets my vote.

by Mplax on Feb 7, 2010 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly! Nicknames went in the tank, and it really bugs me. It’s up to us to restore sanctity of this once cherished practice.

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by Xand1 on Feb 7, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we should start adding to the Hoopus Dictionary

but only the super awesome ones that make it through the test. Which is… probably just a popular vote or suggestion and recs… Either way, awesome nicknames will be the cherry on top of the slightly bigger cherry that is on top of the ice cream that is the awesomeness of this website.

by Mplax on Feb 8, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

To the original question

I went into this season prepared to see severe losing this season, followed be serious losing next season, as long as I saw players developing, team progress being made, and a front office plan that would benefit from a couple more high picks.

This season has progressed about as I expected, especially when Love started the season injured. They may start winning more, but I think it is likely they go about 13-19 the rest of the way. Let’s not forget, on this streak, they beat a couple bad teams, Dallas is struggling, and they caught Memphis on the road in the 2nd game of a back to back.

Anyway, I am nearing the point where I want them to turn the corner, rather than having the patience I mentioned earlier. A few reasons for that:

1. They were playing so poorly for a long stretch that (Rambis and/or Mgmt) were in danger of losing the players and what little fan support is left. That needs to be countered with at least a competitive end of the season. Also need to keep the competitive spirit alive for guys used to winning like Brewer.
2. I think they can be competitive the rest of the season while still getting the 5th or 6th pick in the draft. From there they have enough assets to move up if they think the franchise player is sitting there.
3. The key players (except maybe Flynn) have all progressed enough that I now think they can build a contender with one more good draft instead of two. Jefferson is back, Love has progressed, Rubio apparently is playing well in Europe, Pekovic is playing well and ready to join the NBA (to be traded based on Kahn’s recent comments), and Corey Brewer has progressed more than any of us would have dared predict in a pre-season post. Brewer won’t lead a team to a title, but I now believe that if he plays next to an all-around stud wing he can start for a contender. A lineup with Rubio, Brewer, (stud wing either drafted or traded for), and Jefferson is very compelling. Then having the 6th and 7th men being Love and Flynn is also legitimate on a contender. I now think the team has enough assets that if Kahn has a good summer they can build a contender without a high pick in 2011.

In short, play well the rest of this season, but not too well. Then hit the gas next season. Growing pains will limit their progress for another year or two, but the pieces are almost in place…time to move forward!

by Rumblebee on Feb 7, 2010 6:38 PM CST reply actions  

Every team has an excuse mid season about why they aren’t playing well, and losing to the Wolves brings em all out. Whatever, the Wolves were better on the day than all those teams. Nobody makes excuses here for the Wolves when they lose, so why minimize it when they win by making excuses for the teams that lose to them.

by sheal on Feb 7, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Did I minimize??

I stated facts, how you interpret them is up to you. I’m just explaining why I think their record the rest of the season will be around 13-19 despite having a current 4 game win streak. The fact is, non-contending teams playing on the road for the second game of a back to back rarely win, sorry if this fact offends your delicate nature.

by Rumblebee on Feb 8, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Not offended, just pointing out a double standard.

by sheal on Feb 8, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

New Season

Didn’t five games ago Rambis came out and say that from now we are starting over. Meaning that Player Development time is done. Only the best playe and that is it, since then we have gone 4-1 and only 9 players have played, right?

Are all of the bench guys gone after this year? I’m thinking they were given an extended try out and now it is over. This is the team we are moving forward with.

I love that we are finally winning, If we can finish the season off on a winning note it HAS to make this summer much easier for Kahn to convince a top player to come and play for us. If we finish the season like we started it, there is no way a top player would come here but if we can show promise I think the odds are much more in our favor.

by Far East on Feb 7, 2010 7:49 PM CST reply actions  

Good catch..

….on the first point. We’ll dig into it.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 7, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Posted by Jerry Zgoda Feb 6
  • The Wolves are 3-0 since Kurt Rambis called his team together after they got thumped on that three-game road trip to Milwaukee, New York and Cleveland and declared their 8-38 season start behind them and a “fresh start” ahead. From that point on, he said they’d start analyzing themselves statistically against the rest of the league in several pertinent category

by Far East on Feb 7, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting...

about the “analyzing themselves statistically against the rest of the league…” line. I wonder what was meant by that.

by LoveTo on Feb 7, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I am guessing they use advanced statistic

to compare how they are performing versus other teams. Offensive and Defensive efficiency, basically anything in our four game factors, and likely all of those broken down by quarters and situations.

by TheEvilProfessor on Feb 7, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

As the chief ping pong ball poster after games, let me comment. I want the wolves to win, but not too often this season.

I think this is the last season the wolves are in the lottery for a decade (at least).

This is projected to be the best and deepest draft in many years. There is much talent, beyond the top 1 or 2 players. So even if we finished say 5th pre-ping pong balls and ended up say 7th in the draft we still get a very good player. But it is best to be able to choose anyone in the draft. So higher is better.

I think the wolves have talent. Have thought so from the start of the season. I think both jefferson and Love can be at least top 2 to 5 for their positions (when both are healthy and have a little experience in Love’s case). As I’ve repeatedly said, I think they can be “good enough” on defense to lead a championship team.

When Flynn learns to stop trying to turn grapes into wine with the basketball, he can be a good PG, even as a facilitator. Brewer’s shooting over the last month has surprised me and if he can keep it up he could be a starter for a championship level team. [But he needs to keep his overall shooting percentage and 3 point shooting percentage up]

Rubio is a great facilitator and very good 3 point shooter.

So, I’m saying we need to worry about ping pong balls for one more season. After June we can forget about them for a long time.

We have talent, but we need more if we want to compete for a championship. I WANT Multiple championships. Getting talent for “nothing” in the lottery this season will help us achieve that goal – multiple championships.

So you understand, when I watch games I’m always hoping for the win. Can’t help it in the heat of the moment. But regret it later when I remember Turner, Johnson and the rest.

One more season worrying about ping pong balls. Then all that matters is wins.

by Kevin Love Jefferson on Feb 8, 2010 8:37 AM CST reply actions  

Definitely

and there needs to be communication during the action. If Corey is going up for the alley oop, Jonny has to notice right away, if he gets there too late the entire play was blown. A good teammate should know ahead of time what’s going on, but it’s also up to Corey to give some clues.

by Mplax on Feb 8, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

One think that I’m certain of is that, even though you might be ahead on the development curve, wouldn’t swap our team with theirs for sure. It just feels we’ll get there and well .. don’t think will (to the finals that is)

Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009

by Wim (Belgium) on Feb 8, 2010 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

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