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Prowling the NBA: Absentee Leap Year - The Laws of Motion

On July 5, 1687, Sir Issac Newton published Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica, in which he states and describes the three laws of motion in physics.

1) A body will remain in its current state of motion unless acted upon by an outside force

2) A body that has force acted upon it will experience acceleration proportional to that force and its own mass

3) When a first body exerts force on a second body, the second body exerts force on the first that is equal in magnitude and opposite in direction

That third law is a curious thing. It has a much less technical description, that can be effectively summarized as "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". For every impact, there is equally powerful feedback. For every moment of defying the odds, there is a moment of karmically bad luck. For every good NBA team, there is an equally bad one.

Shouldn't be too hard to figure out which end of the spectrum the Timberwolves fall under.

About this time every year, NBA teams start heading in opposite directions with prejudice. Teams with playoff and championship aspirations load up their rosters as much as possible and focus in. Teams for which the playoffs are a lost cause...well...they get hyped up over guys like Darko Milicic.

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Of whom there is a section dedicated to this week's NBA update. And for those who need the assurance, I keep text files of all my sources. So feel free to question the accuracy of what you read. I'm sure JA Adende will be happy to argue it out with you. Behehe

But to start, we've got a different team for which the playoffs is most definitely a lost cause...

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Actually, first, let's make sure we all understand the three laws of motion:

Think I could get funding for making these update educational...? Ya...me neither. Anyway....

Josh Howard is out for the season with a torn ACL:

Not even two weeks after he was dealt to the Wizards, Howard suffered yet another injury in what is becoming a Tracy McGrady-ish career. He was injured in a collision with Bulls' guard Flip Murray.

As a side note, since we're talking about the Wizards, Wolves fans should be happy to know that we're not the only team that's been lit up by Andray Blatche since Jamison was dealt. In the sevens games he's played, starting with our contest on February 17th, Blatche has averaged 23 points and 10 rebounds on nearly 60% shooting. He showed flashes of this kind of potential early in the season, averaging 14 points as a starter in place of an injured Jamison. Likewise, human pogo stick JaVale McGee has averaged 10 points, 5 rebounds and 2 blocks in about 20mpg, as he has stepped into the starting role vacated by Brendan Haywood.

Also on the list of teams with no playoff hopes...

The Philadelphia 76ers may be considering cutting ties with Allen Iverson:

Iverson has played in only 3 games since the start of February, as he's taken time off to tend to his daughter. The team has termed the leave as indefinite, but reports say head coach Eddie Jordan addressed the team this week to let them know there's a chance Iverson won't be back at all.

Sixers sources say Iverson hasn’t been a problem since joining the team. He’s worked well with the team’s younger players, and never complained about minutes or shots. The Sixers have just struggled with his constant comings and goings, and how that’s affected chemistry.

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One major issue has been the starting rotation; the Sixers prefer to start Louis Williams, but often resort to starting Jrue Holiday when Iverson is with the team to make up for height deficiencies on the defensive end (the Sixers had the same problem in 2000, preferring to start 6'2" Eric Snow but being forced to start 6'5" Aaron McKie for defensive purposes, then later because Snow was injured). The Sixers are now starting both Williams and Holiday, but that leaves them with no backup point guard.

It's another confusing chapter in the story of a guy who's accomplished some absolutely remarkable things in his career.

Sixer's President Ed Skefanski released a statement saying, "At this time, we feel that it is in the best interest of the Sixers, Allen and his family that he be allowed to deal with a very serious issue that is far greater than the game of basketball."

In the only media address he's made on the subject, Iverson stated:

"I have five kids. None of them have ever been this sick. It's a first-time thing for me. I like to look at myself as a strong person, especially dealing with everything in my life. But this is a totally different situation; you find out you're not as tough as you thought you were when it's one of your kids. All I do is just pray on it; everyone that cares anything about me and my family, I wish them to do the same, 'cause that's all that can be done right now, 'cause they don't know exactly what's wrong with her. I don't think they could deal with it if something happened to one of their kids."

But also to consider is that the Sixers didn't blow up the team as expected at the trade deadline. In fact, they didn't really make any big moves at all, and are thus still saddled with the contracts of Elton Brand, Samuel Dalembert, and Andre Iguodala with little hope of making the playoffs. This latest Iverson tilt isn't something they need.

"It’s Allen and it’s Philly, so how this plays out has got to be delicate for everyone," one league source said.

Now moving on to a couple teams who are headed for the postseason...

Paul Pierce is out indefinitely with a sprained right thumb:

It seems like a weak injury to be out for indefinitely. After all, Kobe Bryant has played the better part of the season with an outright broken index finger. Nevertheless, Pierce has missed the Celtics' last three games, and has an ambiguous timetable for return ("maybe" next week)

Much more concerning for the Celtics, however, is that although they are a playoff team by record, they aren't a playoff team on the court. The Celtics dropped 2 in a row this week, losing to Cleveland and....the New Jersey Nets???

Pierce's absence aside, the bigger problem with the Celtics, as far as I've seen, is the injuries Kevin Garnett is fighting through. I watched a couple Boston games the past two weeks, including the Celtics/Lakers game on the 18th, and seriously...if his jersey hadn't had the name Garnett on the back, I would have though it was uncle Cliff Robinson out there. Much like Al Jefferson these days, KG has no lift in his legs. His head is all there, but for what's probably the first time in his career, his body can't do what his mind is asking anymore. Several times in the past few weeks I've seen KG miss a rebound, miss a rotation, or give up a layup because he just can't get off the ground like he used to. The explosiveness is gone, and at his age with his game, I'm not sure it's coming back.

As for Pierce, the Celtics want to make sure that, when he returns, it's for good. "We want to make sure it gets right," Rivers said. "It's one of those things where, if he gets hit again, he'll go back down that road. We want to make sure when he comes back he can play, and play at that Paul level we know."

Joakim Noah is out indefinitely with plantar fasciitis:

Noah's been fighting this off and on for over a month now. With a much more probable playoff appearance looming now, the Bulls decided to shut him down and get him right.

Noah is the key to the Bulls' defense, which is the only counter they have for their lack of post offense. He averages 1.5 blocks per game...15th in the league...and 11.4 rebounds per game, which would tie him with Chris Bosh for 5th in that category if he qualified.

Also, since March 1st is....well, tomorrow, there's buyout news to be read.

Zydrunas Ilgauskas has been bought out by the Wizards:

There was some question in the past couple weeks as to whether this would happen, since the Wizards were much less financially strained after sending Antawn Jamison to the Cavaliers.

Ilgauskas is being chased by several teams, including the Mavericks, Hawks, Nuggets, and Jazz, but will reportedly return to the Cavaliers after the mandatory 30 day waiting period.

Some of you may remember that a similar deal between the Mavericks and Nets a few years ago was nixed by the NBA after Jerry Stackhouse revealed the two teams had an agreement in place beforehand for the Nets to buy him out so he could return to Dallas. But the NBA reportedly has no problems with this one.

A return to Cleveland is the logical choice for Big Z. His family is there, and the Cavaliers are the only NBA team he's ever played for. Still, other teams are living by "never say never"....Nuggets' head coach George Karl said "I'm not giving up...I did talk to him."

Larry Hughes has been bought out by the Kings:

Much like the Wolves did with regards to Quentin Richardson, the Kings decided they were better off without a volume gunner in his contract year looking for his next deal at the expense of developing young talent.

Now the latest word is Hughes is most likely headed to Charlotte. He has a history with head coach Larry Brown, from their days together way back when in Philadelphia. And, as John Hollinger pointed out, the trade Charlotte made for Tyrus Thomas seriously depleted their guard depth.

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The Bobcats will be looking for what basketball fans have come to term as "Bizarro Hughes"....that once in a blue moon game where Larry Hughes looks like the superstar player he had the potential of becoming, rather than the low percentage gunner he usually is.

And speaking of Charlotte....

Michael Jordan has reached an agreement to buy a majority stake in the Bobcats:

Jordan will now have full control over the team that plays in the state he made his collegiate name in. Jordan assembled an ownership team that will buy the team from current owner Robert Johnson, who has the distinction of being the first black principal owner of a North American major league team. The deal is now just pending league approval, which David Stern said he expects to happen "very quickly".

In terms of the Bobcats the team, not much will be different. Jordan has actually been running the basketball side of things since the team's inception in 2004. His track record as a basketball executive is up and down...for every Kevin Garnett, there's a Kwame Brown. Or for every Larry Bird, there's an Adam Morrison. Whichever you prefer. But the Bobcats are in playoff contention this season, thanks to Jordan's hiring of Larry Brown, followed by his trade for Stephen Jackson.

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Where the payoff for the Bobcats is in this is the Bobcats the franchise. Jordan is marketable, and now he can be 100% marketable for the team.

And another guy leading his teams to the playoffs?

Kevin Durant goes 29 games straight scoring 25 or more points:

With a nod to casper, who's been asking for this for a couple weeks, I'm going to acknowledge Durant's scoring streak this week because he broke a meaningful record this time: his 29 game streak surpasses Allen Iverson's 28 game streak, and is second all time only to Michael Jordan (who checks in at a ridiculous 40) Durant's streak was ended against the San Antonio Spurs by Manu Ginobili....quite literally.

It was the first time since December 19th that Durant didn't score at least 25 points, which is....shocking, when you think about it. The kid's 21 years old, and he's already one of the best basketball players on the planet. A "freak", as Kahn and Rambis have put it.

Wolves fans often ask why the Thunder have so vastly outpaced us in the rebuilding game. With all due respect to Russell Westbrook, who is a remarkable talent himself (and one I admittedly doubted coming out of the draft), the reason is obvious: Kevin Durant is flat out unstoppable.

I've been a huge fan of Durant's since he played for Oak Hill Academy, the second of three high schools he played at. I always knew he'd be a great player (for what it's worth, I have the same feeling about Tyreke Evans, having followed him out ofAmerican Christian) But I never thought Durant would be this good this soon. He really is a basketball freak.

For the record, Durant also far outpaces Kobe and LeBron with his streak as well. LeBron's longest 25+ scoring streak topped out at 21....Bryant's at 19.

And speaking of those two, Dime magazine raised an interesting question on the whole subject this week...

Have LeBron, Carmelo, and Durant exceeded Kobe Bryant?

I'll let you read and debate for yourselves:

All due respect to Kobe, but you could argue that LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Kevin Durant have been better than any three players on the planet this year. And even after Kobe reaches NBA old-age, those three should still be in their primes and setting the standard by which most other players are judged.

Small forwards are always a diverse crew. LeBron is a powerhouse who could also play the point; ‘Melo is an effortless scorer who could play the four if he wanted; Durant is a perimeter sniper with a center’s height and two-guard range. Neither of them looks at all like the other, and yet the results are often the same: Bucket after bucket, with a healthy share of boards, assists and defense thrown in for good measure.

At the least, Durant will be joining Kobe, Melo and King James on the next Dream Team. (and no, I don't think Love or Jefferson will join him...)

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He nearly made it last time for that matter....it was really just his inexperience that kept him off, as the team decided to go with the more proven Tayshaun Prince. The spot is Durant's to lose...about the only way he won't make the team is if he refuses the invitation.

And speaking of a Team USA member...

This week, Jason Kidd made possibly the savviest basketball play I've ever seen:

Seriously. Only Jason Kidd would even think to attempt that. And wouldn't you know it, without that technical free throw, the Mavs would have lost the game. Afterward, Kidd and Woodson had a little back and forth in the media.

"I went in a straight line," said Kidd. "If I can’t beat him, I’m in trouble."

"The official said I was on the floor," said Woodson. "I tried to move back and I was moving back and he reached over the line and grabbed me."

"He was talking like I tried to take him out," said Kidd. "I was saying you can’t be on the floor, you’re a coach, you’ve got no uniform on."

This sort of call has been made only a handful of times in NBA history. In 1991, Milwaukee coach Del Harris collided with Nuggets guard Michael Adams while protesting a call. Then in 2006, Rip Hamilton caught his leg on Sonics' head coach Bob Hill's foot shooting a three pointer.

By the way, Kidd finished the game with a triple double....19 points, 16 rebounds, 17 assists.

And as usual, his boss Mark Cuban had something newsworthy to say this week...

Mark Cuban sounds off on the CBA negotiations:

As I pointed out, many people mistake the NBA side of the negotiations to be David Stern and his administration, when the reality is it's really the owners, with Stern giving his input. The other side is, of course, the players. Well, we've heard from the players, we've heard from Stern....have we heard from the owners?

Team owners have been unusually silent in all of this, considering the chattering of their counterparts. But if there's one owner who's not going to be quiet about....well, anything, you can sure bet it's Mark Cuban.

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On his personal blog, Blog Maverick, Cuban posted his thoughts on why salary caps kill small market teams, and what he wants to do to fix it. Now...I realize a lot of you aren't Mark Cuban fans. He's goofy, he's mouthy, he can be immature. But he's not stupid. So read what he writes:

Basically, leagues look at all the major income sources, and make a salary cap that is a percentage of that. That means, however, that if one team is doing really really well, and has a huge increase in income, while a small market team might lose a little money, then the next year's cap will be quite a bit higher, which leaves the money-losing small market team further in the lurch.

We have seen bankruptcies in the NHL. If pro sports leagues don’t do a better job of risk management, it could get worse. ... What about the players side? They have kicked ownership’s ass in every league. ...

While individual NFL players take on significant risk, the players as a whole take on ZERO risk. If their membership just shows up for games, 53 guys on each team are getting paid. They never have to give the money back or contribute capital to make up losses.

The solution? It's a system where risks and rewards are allocated properly. Owners should take on more risk than players because they have more upside from franchise appreciation. They shouldn't take on all the risk. Nor should players be excluded from sharing in the upside of equity appreciation. I'm not saying that for example players earn a share of the sale price when an NFL franchise is sold. There are a variety of ways to track or index appreciation of franchises that rewards players that can work better and more efficiently. When the index appreciates the economics available to players appreciate. When the index depreciates, the amount available to players should be reduced as well.

The bottom line of the bottom line is that its time for a new model for professional sports.

Not exactly the solution that the owners wrote up in their CBA proposal. But maybe smarter, to be honest. And before anyone assumes this makes Cuban a rogue element in the negotiation process, it should be noted he emphatically stated what the other owners and analysts have: if a lockout happens, the owners lose some of their money; the players lose everything.

And since we're talking money...

Truehoop did a rundown on teams that will be able to afford a max free agent this summer, and the Wolves made the list:

Not only that, but we got our very own category: Will need some creative accounting

Minnesota Timberwolves: $35.17 million in 2010-11 payroll
Minnesota barely squeezes onto our list and they don't land here without a bunch of disclaimers. That number above represents the eight players Minnesota has under contract for the 2010-11 season, but doesn't include their boatload of first-round picks -- and Ricky Rubio, who will go back onto the Timberwolves' cap number next season. Those draft picks, each protected at a different level, amount to more than $7 million in salary commitments. Minnesota would have to perform some serious budgetary gymnastics to be eligible to extend a max contract to a free agent. They could opt to sell or move their picks, or ship some talent to a team with a trade exception. It'll be tough. Still, with all their young assets, draft picks and cap space, the Timberwolves figure to be legitimate players in the marketplace this summer, even if they can't nab a max player.

Not that any of us expect to see LeBron or Wade or Bosh here next year, but it does highlight the fact we do have more money to spend this summer than all but a handful of teams in the league. Free agency 2010 is the last of Kahn's "five windows", so he's planning to do something with all the capital he has.

The teams ahead of us on the list?

Room for two - Miami, New York
Room for one - New Jersey, Chicago, Washington
Possibly one - Sacramento, LA Clippers

Draft Watch:

March Madness is fast approaching, and I'll do some in depth analysis of that when the brackets are finalized (summary: expect to see Kansas and Kentucky in the finals). So with that in mind, let's highlight the standout regular season of one Evan Turner.

It's been noted many times now, but Evan Turner is having one hell of a basketball season. A college player hasn't really put together this complete and successful year since Magic Johnson averaged 17-7-8 all the way back in 1978.....over 30 years ago.

Michigan's Stu Douglas, tasked with guarding Turner this past week, called defending him "ridiculous".

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"Some kid in the stands yelled after he hit his first shot, he was like, 'That's not even fair,'" Douglass said, laughing. "He does that cross-over without even dribbling. How tall is he? Six-seven? I mean, it's ridiculous, if he's around the basket it doesn't matter who's guarding him, he's going to hit it."

One thing I want to add about Turner that I don't think gets mentioned much is his ability to hit shots with the defense right there. He doesn't need to run off screens, doesn't need to put any fancy moves on a defender....just pull up and hit. It's a very rare skill in today's NBA, but it does make a player all but unguardable. Carmelo Anthony. Kevin Durant. Remember Sam Cassell when he was a Wolf? It's like that.

Last week we noted that Turner has taken the lead in the projected player of the year race....as well he should. He statistically makes his competitors look silly. Ohio State doesn't have the power to make a deep tournament run like Kansas or Kentucky, but individually, Turner is the best college player on the planet right now.

Commentary on Darko:

Well, I was originally going to write up a big op-ed on Milicic, but I've realized that 90% of what I was going to say are things the rest of you have already noticed. And I'll admit, I'm very pleased Darko plays such good defense he makes it obvious how badly need that. It's something I feel a lot of Wolves fans have forgotten the importance of since Garnett left. Certainly McHale was thinking nothing but offense since then.

So what about Darko then?

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Well, two things.

1) He's the rare kind of center I'd be comfortable having Kevin Love play alongside long term. Under typical circumstances (meaning pair Love with a defense-only center like Tyson Chandler), I have serious doubts about the team. Love is a smart positional defender, but his limited height and reach make it difficult for him to contest shots even if he's directly in front of his man, and he's not much for help defense. But pair him with a Tyson Chandler, and we're going to end up with some serious scoring problems.

Now the thing about Darko is that he's not only a great defensive big man with the kind of legitimate height, reach, and defensive IQ to anchor a team, but he also has a very good scoring game as well. We haven't seen it much with him as a Timberwolf, but I assure you, it's there. Skillwise, from what I've seen of him with the Magic and Grizzlies and in FIBA play, I'd say his closest comparison is probably Brook Lopez. Not overpowering like a Zach Randolph, not absurdly skilled like a Pau Gasol (although I could see him getting to that level someday)....sort of a half and half of the two.

Which brings me to my second point.

2) Don't treat him like Tyson Chandler. Darko doesn't like being called a defense only player. He practically takes offense to it. When he first announced his intent to return to Europe earlier this year, he outright said:

"I just want to enjoy the basketball. I’d like to have the ball in my hands and have an offense run through me. I’m not just a defensive player."

And he's not. As I mentioned last week, for example, Darko was second in scoring on the 2006 Serbian Nationals team at 16 ppg. And as many of you have noted, he moves the ball incredibly well....a hallmark of Euro big men. I honestly think that, were he in shape, you could post him up all game and effectively run your offense through him the way the Clippers do with Chris Kaman or the Nuggets sometimes do with Nene.

So that's my advice. Fans: don't talk just about his defense. No matter what they say, players hear what the fans are saying about them. Coaches: run some plays for the guy, and make them more frequent as he gets in better shape.

Now, a lot gets made about him going back to Europe, and I posted my thoughts on this before, but I want to reiterate: I believe that a lot, it not all, of his animosity is a misunderstanding. And to back that up, I have a quote from him from Dime Magazine back from December (I actually posted this in one of December's Prowling the NBAs, for that matter)

I’m not going to get it done in the NBA. I’m not going to get another opportunity and there’s nothing wrong with going back to Europe. I don’t want to create a bad atmosphere here, but it’s not working in the NBA."

Notice how he doesn't say "I don't like the NBA". He says "I'm not going to get another opportunity". Well....he has another opportunity now, with us. Which might actually be his first opportunity, considering the other teams he's played for. While I wouldn't and won't say count on him being back next year, I do think chances are better than people realize.

So just take it one game at a time. Don't put huge pressure on him, don't coddle him, don't make him out to be a team savior. Certainly he makes an enormous impact for us defensively, but that's as much a reflection on how epically bad we've been on defense as a team this season as it is on how good he is on defense as a player. Just treat him like a member of the team and let the rest work itself out.

You can probably say we're the equal and opposite reaction to the Thunder.

As they get better, we seemingly get worse. As S-n-P has pointed out, the bright spot in our season so far has been a trade for a draft "bust" no other team wants.

But like the Darko Dilema, the Wolves are best taken one game at a time these days. We have young talent. We have draft picks. We have money to spend, two of Kahn's windows, and a fanbase eager for any reason to cheer. My prediction? In a couple years, we'll be the Thunder, and Boston will be our equal and opposite reaction.

Until next week...

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Nice work yet again, Oceanary.

But I think your take on Darko is wishful thinking.

Nothing surer than him going back to Europe.

I heard an interview with a player agent this week: “Every player has a stay price and a go price”. I’d think Darko’s stay price is well above his go price.

"I was trying to focus on breathing," Milicic said. "I was just focusing on breathing so I didn’t die."

by Auswolf on Mar 1, 2010 5:04 AM CST reply actions  

Couple of notes

Truehoop did a good job on that list, but I think they forgot to account for Gomes’ partial guarantee (they counted Gomes as fully guaranteed).

As for Darko, I think he’s gone, almost certainly. He’s in an NBA outpost that is going to limp to the finish of a nothing season going something like 5-16 the rest of the season or something. It isn’t going to change his plans.

Good work

by Eric in Madison on Mar 1, 2010 7:05 AM CST reply actions  

I still hold out hope for Darko returning

I think Darko’s return to or departure from the NBA is a question of money, but not in the typical sense: if it’s purely about about money, then he leaves for Europe. If it’s not and is purely about enjoying the game again, then I think we have a chance (not that he still won’t go to Europe, but that we’ll have a legitimate opportunity to convince him to stay). And why, you may ask, would we have such an opportunity? Because of Kahn, Rambis/the coaching staff, and our system.

As Oceanary suggests, Darko is more than a defensive player and would like an opportunity to showcase his offensive skills. We run a system which could not only really use a player like that, but also almost guarantees 6-10 open looks a night for such a player. To me this aspect of our situation is equal to anything Europe can offer.

As for Kahn and Rambis/the coaching staff, if it’s not about money (entirely) and more about loving basketball again, then my question is whether any European teams will be able to compete with the support and enthusiasm our GM and coaches have for Darko? For the first time in his NBA career Darko has a GM and a head coach who love him, believe in him, and need him to play serious minutes and be productive. What more could you want as a professional basketball player? Better players around you? We’ve got draft picks and cap space, plus Rubio coming over. Is it perfect? No. But is it sellable? You better believe it.

To be clear, I’m not saying that we’re the best option for Darko, that he’s going to stay here, or that Darko will accept less money to stay here (that money’s not part of the issue – it is). What I am saying is that if Darko just wants the most money he can get, then I think he’s gone. If it’s about something a bit more personal, about the legacy of his career, about his playing time and his love of the game, then I think we can offer much the same as any European team can offer. Doesn’t mean he’s going to come, but it doesn’t mean it’s a foregone conclusion that he’ll leave either.

Growing my own "Darko-stache" since last Monday.

by biggity2bit on Mar 1, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of around the NBA

Anyone else watch the Hornets-Mavs tilt?

Darren Collison…wow. You are always going to look good when you go 15-21 from the field, and he was a 19 on the night (of course the Mavs totally outclassed the Hornets-couldn’t stop Dirk).

Still…the difference between him and Flynn was immediately noticeable: Collison makes quick and decisive choices. Whether it was a pass, shot or drive, he didn’t stand around pounding the ball. He immediately did something with it, and he really showed a nice ability to finish inside given his size.

In the meantime, big loss for the Heat last night in terms of getting the Charlotte pick. That one might go down to the wire.

by Eric in Madison on Mar 1, 2010 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

Argh

the unintentional strike through.

by Eric in Madison on Mar 1, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I know everyone is saying Jennings' early-season run was a fluke...

…and maybe they’re right, but I’d still take Jennings over Flynn for the same reason Eric mentions above: Jennings makes quick reads and passes. Yes, he shoots a lot, and he’s currently hitting at a very low percentage, but if you watch him play, you can see that Jennings “gets” how to play the point and move the ball in a way that Flynn doesn’t. It just isn’t a part of Jonny’s game, and Kahn should’ve watched enough film to know that before drafting him. (Or, if he was committed to Jonny, he should’ve known enough about Rambis’ offensive philosophy to know Jonny and the triangle would mix like oil and water).

Unless Rubio turns into a bigtime star—I remain optimistic that he will—it looks more and more like KAHN royally fubar’d his first draft.

by Shogun on Mar 1, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

It's still nice that Jennings slowed down...

because he looked like an All-Star (not future, but this season) in his first month. He’s not that good, at least not yet. His first month was a fluke, in that sense.

by Andy G on Mar 1, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Jennings has a lot of potential, but...

….his shooting stroke is SO. BAD. Absolutely terrible. He regularly has more attempts than points.

Milwaukee is a better team this year, and a lot of people like to credit that to Jennings because he’s the new flashy kid in town, but the truth is he’s not playing any better overall than Ridnour was last season. The Bucks are riding a healthy Bogut….that’s where the success is coming from.

by Oceanary on Mar 1, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a huge Bogut fan

the man flat out makes his team better on both sides of the court. Probably the most underrated player in the league right now. Not even a mention of the allstar game? I’d take Bogut 10 times out of 10 over Kaman, Lee, and Zach Randolph. To the same extent, 10 times out of 10 over Jefferson.

His highlights regularly consist of him moving extremely well without the ball to give Jennings an all but impossible pass not to make. I realize Jennings draws the defender away a bit, but Jefferson has no idea how to move to an open passing lane and that’s where Bogut beats most people hands down. He is also solid on defense, both as a team and man defender.

I don’t like Jennings.

by Mplax on Mar 1, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen someone cool down to that degree, that fast. I think his PG numbers are still pretty decent, but man has his efficiency tanked.

Bogut is rock solid.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

by Xand1 on Mar 2, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I've always said Collison is the best comparison for Flynn

Like Lawson, his draft position shows that short PGs are not highly valued in the league, but their play shows that this can be a mistake. However, Collison is better in every facet of the game right now, and I don’t see any argument for how Flynn has more potential or upside than Collison. I’ll forgive poor shooting and high turnover rates for rookie PGs, but it’s much less likely that court instincts are going to improve over time as much as these other factors.

I haven’t watched Collison the past few games, but I’m a bit concerned with the drop in assists as his shot attempts have increased. I know the Hornets have pushed him to be more aggressive, and maybe they need to replace Paul’s points, but this score-first approach is a new one for Collison. It’s hard to argue with 15 of 19, but I’m not sure I’d like him to get used to this game. Did you see any signs that he was a little too focused on his scoring, Eric in Madison?

by dropstep on Mar 1, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Not really, no

In one sense, he suffered from the Wolves problem: some teammates missed open shots that would have been assists.

The other thing was that, at least early in the game, the Mavs were really packing it in the lane, and begging Collison to shoot. He took and made several open jumpers.

by Eric in Madison on Mar 1, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe he is just taking what the defense gives

I like mixing in those 35 point games with his line against San Antonio, with 12 shots vs. 15 assists in 47 minutes. He can just flat out play.

by dropstep on Mar 2, 2010 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

What I find particularly telling as it relates to Flynn

is how well Syracuse is playing this year. You would think a team that lost its leading scorer and assist man would struggle a bit, especially since his replacement is a freshman that splits PG duties with another guy off the bench. Yet it certainly doesn’t seem like they are missing Jonny Flynn in Syracuse these days…..

by Rascal Flatts on Mar 1, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

of course...

the Wesley Johnson addition hasn’t hurt them any, either.

by Andy G on Mar 1, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

True

But Wesley has struggled in conference play – all of his scoring/shooting numbers have been heading south for multiple games now – and he doesn’t play with the ball in his hands nearly as much as a PG. Don’t forget they also lost Paul Harris and Eric Davendorf, two excellent role players. The rest of the players, other than Wes, is mostly the same cast of characters. I think there is a little addition by subtraction going on here.

by Rascal Flatts on Mar 1, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

just looking at his game log...

it looks like he’s struggled shooting over the last 5 games — not over the conference season as a whole. He leads the team in scoring and rebounding, is 2nd in steals and blocks, and 4th in assists. He’s their best player, and he wasn’t on the team, last year.

Syracuse wins with defense — long, athletic defenders that are perfectly fit and coached to play Boeheim’s 2-3.

If they had Flynn, they’d probably be a little better… but that type of player doesn’t make or break a Syracuse team. It’s forwards that do it, and it’s always been that way.

by Andy G on Mar 1, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

Their championship team happened because of ‘Melo and Hakim Warrick. Syracuse’s zone had the 6’4 Harris and the 6’4 Rautins at forwards and now has the 6’9 Johnson and the 6’8 Onuaku.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 2, 2010 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

There is addition by subtraction going on...

and you named the two individuals. Harris (6’4 – not a top ten player) was replaced by Johnson (6’7 – top ten player) and Devendorf (6’3 – knucklehead) was replaced by Rautins (6’4 – not a knucklehead).

by Menyun3 on Mar 1, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Durant vs. Carmelo

Who do people here prefer? I’m asking, if you were a GM picking either Durant or Anthony for a playoff run this year and next year, which player do you take? I’m still squarely behind ‘Melo. I like his toughness and his attitude, as well as his winning pedigree from his ’Cuse days. I won’t ever think of ‘Melo as a true superstar on par with LeBron or Kobe (I’d also put Wade as a distant third in this top tier “superstar” category), but for my money Anthony and CP3 are the creme de la creme of the second tier “star” category. Durant will get there in time, but I don’t see him elevating OKC to playoff series victories, by his sheer will and greatness, for at least two more years. (This is just my opinion based on observation, not stats.)

by Shogun on Mar 1, 2010 10:37 AM CST reply actions  

Right now, Melo...

but in two or three years, KD will probably be at a level that Melo has not, and will not, reach. He just needs to continue to add strength, and develop his game. I don’t think he’ll average 34-35 for more than a year or two: Simmons has been predicting that, but it’s not how basketball works. For whatever reason, 30-31 is about the most that great players put up, before it starts to hurt the team. Kobe and Jordan both averaged over 35, and it was on average teams. KD has enough talent around him, that in a few years, guys like Harden, Westbrook, and Green will play off him and the team will win.

As for Oceanary’s question about Kobe — normally, I defend Kobe in almost any argument, but this year, he has taken a step back. He started hot, and the whole “Hakeem post-up tutorial” looked to have some pretty serious impact. Whether it’s the injuries we’ve heard a lot about (fingers, back, ankle) or just aging, he hasn’t been as good, since the middle of the year. If he can return to the early-season form, LA will be the champs, once again. If not, it’s probably an open race with Cleveland, Utah and Denver. Orlando could also win it, but I don’t see them beating LA — their best chance is if Denver makes the Finals.

by Andy G on Mar 1, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

First off, thanks for getting Durant's accomplishment in there Oceanary

I’d take Durant over Melo this year and next year. Check out how good OKC has been when he’s scored 25+. Would not be shocked to see them in the semis this year.

by Casperkid23 on Mar 2, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

not sure

what this achieves? We still have to pay him, right? Or if he signs with another team do they pick up his contract? What is the thinking here?

Growing my own "Darko-stache" since last Monday.

by biggity2bit on Mar 1, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Still have to pay him

If he signs with another team, they will pay him the minimum, and the Wolves will be on the hook for the rest of the contract.

It doesn’t achieve anything except letting him find a team to play for. Maybe his agent has a line on an interested team or something.

It’s just good player relations.

by Eric in Madison on Mar 1, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Tucker?

I figured this was coming after the trading deadline, no reason to even say he is on our payroll now, he only value was if we traded him. Do you think Tucker will be next? We don’t seem to have any intent on giving him any burn.

by Cedarpenguin on Mar 1, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure what the thinking is

But it might be part of that “develop a good rep with players” thing. Which is a good idea, if they’re doing it. He wasn’t going to play here, and he comes off the books at the end of the year no matter what. I can’t see how this hurts. Oh, and my understanding is that if he’s waived and another team signs him, the amount another team pays him gets deducted.

by aarendsvark on Mar 1, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I would think

that we should be getting a good rep with Blount anyways – what other employer will pay you millions of dollars to stay at home and attempt to master Wii Mario Kart?

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by biggity2bit on Mar 1, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder

if they had to pay him the entire amount of if it is somehow reduced by paying it up front… Technically it would be fair to both sides to reduce it by the interest that could be made by having the money sit in Glen Taylor’s portfolio a while longer. Don’t know how that works though…

by Mplax on Mar 1, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

D'Antoni on Darko + more

I thought this was interesting. Gist of it is that Darko thought he played well in practice and thus should be in games and D’Antoni didn’t. The subtle suggestion is that Darko’s not nearly as good of a player as Darko thinks he is.

Some quotes:

If you’re saying you have a lot of practices where you dominate and I don’t play you I find that hard to believe," D’Antoni added. "Now, you might be thinking that you’re dominating and I think you’re not, I can understand that.

But I don’t know a coach yet that watches practice and games and a guy is out there busting his hump and playing well, that I’m not playing him. I don’t know why we would do that because we wanted this to work. It was a judgment call at a certain point. Right or wrong I just didn’t think it was going to work out."

D’Antoni was excited about acquiring the 7-foot Milicic last summer and thought he could help the team. However, Milicic quickly fell out of the rotation and then mentally shut it down until being traded to Minnesota last week.

What’s interesting, of course, is that while Milicic has played fairly well for the Wolves, D’Antoni’s team lacks a true center.

 Milicic appeared in just eight games and once he sensed that the year could be a total waste, he spoke openly about returning to Europe next summer and suggested that the Knicks buy him out. He even told D’Antoni to keep him on the inactive list because he didn’t want to sit on the bench in his uniform and never play.

"He shut it way down," D’Antoni said. "He saw his minutes dwindle to nothing then he just kind of shut it down. I think he just got a feeling that it wasn’t going to work out there and it didn’t. That’s just the way it went.

"I just didn’t think that was the direction we wanted to go. Y’all can read into it any way you want to. What can I say? Obviously, I just didn’t feel like that was the direction we needed. Just the fire and desire whatever, just didn’t think it was there. It might have been me. I just didn’t get a good feeling from it."

It’s interesting to me that D’Antoni questioned Darko’s ‘fire and desire’, as Darko strikes me as a little bit moody but a very very competitive guy. Sounds like he certainly did pout in NY and so this story sounds kinda bad. Then I read the next entry of this blog (Ed. note – I added the bold):

The story is about D’Antoni blowing up at the media when they questioned him about fouling/not fouling at the end of recent games the Knicks lost when leading.

This is less about D’Antoni’s strategy and more with how he is dealing with the slightest criticism. On Saturday, D’Antoni grew increasingly agitated when he addressed the matter before finally looking at me and saying, "Oh that’s right, you’re undefeated as a coach."

Good one, Mike.

You’re absolutely correct. I have never had the privilege of coaching an NBA game and have never been in position to earn $6 million by making such life-or-death choices like deciding when or if to foul up three.

Not that it matters, but I do have the ultimate respect for coaches since it is their butt that is on the line when things don’t go right.

But if I were an NBA head coach making $6 million a year I would hope that I would understand that second guessing comes with the territory. (Or did the Garden stop teaching "Hate and Don’t Trust the Press 101" during their wonderful media training classes.)

Seriously, now. D’Antoni has been treated with kid’s gloves for almost two years. Only recently have issues like his lack of communication with the players, his lack of attention to defense and the lack of wins come to the forefront.

That’s why I was a little surprised that he felt the need to make a let-me-attempt-to-embarrass-the-reporter-in-front-of-his-peers remark by sarcastically saying that I was "undefeated as a coach."

Wow.

If this is the kind of BS Darko has been dealing with in terms of trying to convince his head coach he needs more playing time, well I don’t blame him for wanting to go back to Europe. D’Antoni sounds like he could be a nightmare if you’re not ‘one of his guys’. Rambis, as boring as he frequently sounds, has certainly established this year that he is about as fair and even keeled with how he treats his players as you get and about as much of a straight shooter as you get from an NBA head coach. I posted this because I thought it added some interesting context to where Darko’s coming from.

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by biggity2bit on Mar 1, 2010 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

You left out the best part

Darko comparing himself to Jordan

Former Knick Darko Milicic once said that even when he dominates practice in a very Michael Jordan-type of way, Mike D’Antoni still wouldn’t play him.

And the coach isn’t denying that Darko did perform like Jordan in practice.

"Oh yeah," D’Antoni said this morning in Washington, D.C. "Michael’s about what, 50 now?"

Ouch.

by Bethke on Mar 1, 2010 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya

I know. I didn’t want to quote the whole thing, but that was pretty good too. There’s probably an element of truth to both sides, but for what it’s worth this quote phrases what Darko said a bit differently (hat tip to PoohRubio for posting this as a fanshot):

In December, Milicic told The Post he could "practice like bleeping Michael Jordan’’ and it wouldn’t have mattered.

D’Antoni cracked this morning, "Yeah he was. What is Michael? About 59?.’’

Could practice is different than did practice.

I also think it’s interesting that Danilo is now getting compared to Milicic by D’Antoni. There’s a common thread here, D’Antoni.

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by biggity2bit on Mar 1, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

That definitely

changes things a little. I didn’t see that part. Leave it to a NY newspaper to take out the proper context to make a the quote fit their own ends.

by Bethke on Mar 1, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair
Rambis, as boring as he frequently sounds, has certainly established this year that he is about as fair and even keeled with how he treats his players as you get and about as much of a straight shooter as you get from an NBA head coach.

While I generally agree with your statement, I wouldn’t say that he’s been completely fair. I think if he was “fair” then Session might be starting and letting Flynn earn his minutes. Not saying I disagree with their approach of developing Flynn via playing time, but Sessions could argue that he could “practice like Michael Jordan” and not get the PT. Now, I would highly doubt Sessions has show many, if any, flashes of MJ, but I don’t doubt he feels some similar feelings about his ability to ever earn the starting spot.

by Cedarpenguin on Mar 1, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Very true

I agree 100% with you. I know what I said didn’t exactly capture what I was trying to convey, but I wasn’t sure how else to get it across. When I spoke of Rambis as being ‘fair’ I was thinking about how he doesn’t throw players under the bus, about how he’s really pretty good about offering fair (meaning warranted or evidence based) criticism but also praise if it’s there, etc. In other words I don’t think he’s lost the players at all this year because they know that when he says they weren’t that good at something one game it’s because they really weren’t. Some guys might not always like that because they’re very competitive (Love specifically comes to mind), but I think they get it that Rambis has their long term interests at heart and isn’t doing anything out of spite or ego or whatever. If players do good he mentions it as well, sometimes going out of his way to recognize a particular player’s contributions (I often wonder if he does that because the player has been working hard on it in practice and so Rambis tries to reward them by acknowledging it with a quote in the paper). Rambis always comes from a position of believing in his players and trying to help them and the team do the best it can.

I would love to know more about the behind the scenes stuff with Sessions, though (Just A Fan, we’re looking at you) – is he a good team guy or kind of loner? Has he griped about PT or not? What’s the team’s take on the Flynn/Sessions thing? Are they working on developing his game too or not? Were the Wolves actually up front about Sessions playing behind Flynn all year long when they signed him?

Of the two coaches right now, though, I definitely appreciate and respect Rambis’ approach. He still has his team playing hard (he hasn’t lost them yet), has demonstrated an ability to grow the games of his players (Brewer, Ellington, Love, and even Wilkins), and is honest with them and with us. (Yes, we are the second worst team in the league, but that’s a function of talent as it is anything else. Even if we played our best rotations significant minutes, would we be any better than Golden State?) On the flip side, D’Antoni has the bigger rep but lost one (albeit sometimes moody and stubborn) player completely this year (Darko), may be on the verge of losing another (Danilo), had extended issues with a third (Kryptonate), and despite trying to do everything he can to win has only won 6 more games than us in a weaker conference. Plus, the dude’s a diva. Maybe I’m just a bit too midwestern, but I’ll take Rambis over D’Antoni right now any day.

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by biggity2bit on Mar 1, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

"Fair"

The concept of “fairness” of a coach, and playing time, is a lot different in the pros than in high school or college. These guys are paid professionals, and they have to accept their roles. It’s literally a part of their job.

Sessions signed with a team that just drafted a point guard at #6 in the draft (and #5, obviously) and knew what he was getting into. It’s also a team that expressly made this year “all about learning and development.”

He is the backup, even if he plays better than the rookie starter. There’s nothing unfair about that, or the millions of dollars he is paid to perform this role.

Also, the two points guards’ minutes aren’t that far apart: 29.0 for Flynn and 21.4 for Sessions. Flynn puts up 17 and 5.4 per 36, Sessions 13.1 and 5.5.

Rambis has been as “fair” as possible, in this situation to all players.

by Andy G on Mar 1, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The thing we can't offer Darko

Is the opportunity to live in Europe and be a big fish in a small pond.

What I was getting at earlier is that the financial decision is secondary to the comfort level.

What fo you think his “stay price” is? $4m 5? Gulp $6m?

"I was trying to focus on breathing," Milicic said. "I was just focusing on breathing so I didn’t die."

by Auswolf on Mar 1, 2010 1:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Aren't we a small pond?

In all seriousness, though, if it’s about Europe I don’t think we can compete (we’re not Europe). If it’s about comfort level, though, my line of thinking suggests we can compete because comfort comes down to things like: are you getting playing time (yes), do you get along with the coaches (Rambis loves him), do you fit the system (yes), are you surrounded by talent and have the opportunity to win (not yet, but maybe in a year or two), do you like your teammates (don’t know yet), do your teammates like you (don’t know yet), do the fans support you (so far, yes). I fail to see how anyplace in Europe can offer anything substantially better than that, thus I believe that we have as good a chance as anybody to sign him, at least when it comes to the comfort side of the equation.

As for money? Who knows. On the one hand I think he lost a lot of leverage to demand a lot of money by quitting on the Knicks earlier this year and asking to be bought out, but on the other hand legit 5’s who are 7 feet with skills are always overcompensated. I personally would offer a $4 million incentive laden deal with a player option for another year. If he really has cold feet about it, make it a partially guaranteed deal (like only $1 million guaranteed) so that he can be cut or waived or whatever by the team at minimal cost/impact and be free to go on his way. I’d even put in a no trade clause to make a partially guaranteed deal happen, so that it’s good for him and good for us and there’s no risk of being traded somewhere he won’t play.

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by biggity2bit on Mar 1, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Or just live in Europe with fish or pond considerations.

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by uncle rico on Mar 1, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Evan Turner vs. Kevin Durant

I would be intersted to see what kind of numbers he’d put up if paired with a true PG at OSU. Would he still be a balanced scorer/playmaker or would he really be able to rip off 25 PPG ala Kevin Durant at Texas? My opinion is that he’ll never be as prolific as Durant since he has a natural instinct to look for the open man and won’t have the same length advantage on the perimeter. Durant on the other hand is a scoring freak. He can’t help but score a bunch since it’s so easy for him. Durant can rise up in anyone’s face on the perimeter and get his shot off, no problem.

by Rascal Flatts on Mar 1, 2010 2:20 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with your take...

Durant and Turner are two different types of players. Turner can’t do everything Durant can and vice versa. All signs suggest that Turner will be an impact player in the NBA, but I don’t see him projecting as an alpha-dog, first (scoring) option on a championship team. He gets compared to Roy a lot, and I think it’s a fair comparison. Based on watching both players a lot, my sense is that Turner could actually be better than Roy at breaking down defenses and moving the ball around, but won’t be able to score quite as well as Roy due to his poor outside shooting. Still, I could easily see Turner averaging 19, 5, and 7 or thereabouts for quite a few years and translating those numbers into a lot of wins for whatever team is lucky enough to draft him. (To be sure, those assist numbers would depend on Turner’s team letting him play the “Roy Role”, which is essentially what he’s doing at OSU. If Turner gets taken off the ball, I think he becomes slightly less of a weapon, though still good. Sort of how James Harden’s productivity is limited by having to defer to Westbrook as the initiator of the offense.)

by Shogun on Mar 1, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he might be able to be a #1 guy on the perimeter. Maybe not a tier 1 superstar type #1 guy like Kobe/Wade/LBJ, but a step down for sure, think Roy/Joe Johnson. His handle is good and he can kill you multiple ways – pulling up, going all to the rack or finding the open guy. The pullup J with a guy in your face is pretty much the staple “go-to” move for most #1 wings in the NBA, and as Oceanary notes above, Turner is excellent at that shot.

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by Xand1 on Mar 1, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I see Turner as a franchise player

I think he’s a Scottie Pippen, who plays an integral role (Scottie’s role with the Bulls was arguably more important than Jordan’s, to be honest), but I don’t think he’s a guy who’s going to be able to carry a team’s scoring load, which is ultimately what matters in the end.

Then again, I didn’t see Roy being a franchise player either, and he’s definitely one now. He’s a 20-5-5 player who found a way to get around his athletic limitations and developed serious three point range rather late in his basketball career, at least by how developmental timelines go.

Had the Blazers had a more go-to offensive scorer when Roy was drafted (not counting drunken ZBo for obvious reasons…) then maybe things would be different. Maybe if they had drafted Durant, things would be different. There’s a lot to say that Roy would have been an ideal Pippen to Durant’s Jordan….but then again, Roy was an established star by the time Durant came along.

So that might be where Turner’s future can really be read in history. He’s not what NBA experts would consider a franchise player…..but neither was Roy. But Roy became one anyway, more or less out of necessity and sheer hard work. Everything everyone says about Turner indicates he’s a gym rat and ultra competitive….so even though he might ideally be more of a Robin, I think he can (and probably) will work himself into franchise player status simply because he’s going to be drafted by a team that needs him to be one, and he has the monsterous work ethic to get there.

by Oceanary on Mar 1, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

If Turner can pull a Pippen

I’ll happily take it.

Substitute in Rubio for B.J. Armstrong, and who knows what you’d get? The similarities are there, though:
Rubio > B.J. Armstrong
Ellington = Kerr
Love = Horace Grant
Darko = Luc Longley
Brewer = Kukoc? (OK, so not really, but I’m tryin’…)

Well, OK, so the teams are not perfect comps, and it just serves to illustrate how much we need our other assets/draft picks to pan out (Pekovic, Al/trade pieces?), but it also does suggest that a core of Turner, Rubio, and Love surrounded by very complimentary pieces such as Ellington/Brewer and Darko could become a pretty good starting lineup. Add in backups like Sessions/Flynn and whatever happens with Al and our draft picks and I’d believe that we could pull an OKC in a couple years.

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by biggity2bit on Mar 1, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Jefferson>Jordan

You left these two out so I just thought I’d fill in the blank (ha ha). Anyhow, if Turner is even close to what Pippen was on the court, I’ll take it and build a team around Turner. There aren’t very many Jordans, LeBron’s, etc. out there…I think Turner could be a #1 on a contending team, just going to need very good complementary players, a couple may already be on the team, and the others can be acquired with all the assets this team has at it’s disposal.

by Rumblebee on Mar 1, 2010 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Pippen did play phenomenally in the couple of years Jordan was "retired"

In 94, he averaged 22-8-5 and 3 steals, and the Bulls won 55 games and made the ECF (which they lost on a very questionable call, no less)

There’s really just a ton of parallels between Turner and Pippen, from the do-it-all skillset to the lock down defense to the incredible competitiveness….Pippen was more athletic that Turner will ever be (not that Evan is a bad athlete), but I think Turner will probably be stronger than Pippen was in the end.

So with the right system and Turner’s drive to succeed, I think it’s definitely possible to build a team around him.

by Oceanary on Mar 1, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

"Free agency 2010 is the last of Kahn's 'five windows'"

Wow. It panes me to think of how quickly we’re crashing through those windows.

by PoorDick on Mar 1, 2010 5:24 PM CST reply actions  

I just saw Rod Thorn discussing how

the trade deadline moves will affect this summer, and the 2nd tier of FAs will be the beneficiaries. Basically said that a couple teams will be left in the dust and end up overpaying for 2nd tier guys…the window is definitely chipped, getting close to shattered.

by Rumblebee on Mar 1, 2010 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Barkley said the same thing on TNT the other day

Ernie: Who won the trade deadline this year?

Charles: Amare Stoudemire

by Oceanary on Mar 1, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that Jordan is buying the Bobcats

I assume the team will not implode with a management shakeup. I now officially hope the Wolves get Charlotte’s pick this summer vs. waiting and hoping the pick improves. Deep draft, let’s get the pick.
Other Charlotte note, I hope this will get NC excited about the NBA again, it seemed like a great NBA state until the idiot owner about a decade ago went Norm Green.

Props to Jason Kidd, savvy basketball move. Also sick of seeing coaches on the court, and it was interesting to read Phil Jackson basically sticking up for Kidd and criticizing coaches who are overactive on the sideline.

by Rumblebee on Mar 1, 2010 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

I was curious about that too

Because technically it should have been a technical on Woodson just for being outside the coaching box. But that’s something we see coaches do every game and not get called for

by Oceanary on Mar 1, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

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