Two Lists of Players, Free Agents, and Prospects we should look at in filling our two biggest needs, an Athletic, Shot Blocking Big Man, and an Athletic, Scoring, Wing.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 10, 2010 5:15 PM CST
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I have been trying to put together a list of players I feel would be available through trade, Free Agency, or in the Draft that would fit our two biggest needs, an athletic, scoring wing, and an athletic, long, shot blocking, C or PF. I ranked them accordingly, from top to bottom, using the criteria I feel we would most look for in adding players to this roster. At this point I feel only two players on this team are somewhat untouchable, one is Al Jeff, because when healthy and we're not knocking shots down, you go to him, he goes to work, and he gets consistent buckets. Yes, I know, he's atrocious on D, but just imagine an athletic, shot blocking sidekick next to him, his D wouldn't look so bad then, right? The other untouchable is Flynn, not because of his talent, but because his value is not as high as we'd like it to be if we were to try and move him. I think we get at least two players out of this list, hopefully three, hopefully a big man or two within the first Twenty Spots of its list and a wing in the first seven spots of its list; for example: Whiteside, Igoudala, and Henry. For the players that aren't FAs and Prospects; I just felt those players had a better chance than others of being moved. In regards to the order the players are in, I felt the factors that should be considered should be; what kind of player do we need based on the criteria I've laid out, the player's overall talent, the player's potential, and also their contract. I then put the order of what criteria should be considered first when looking at a player. Because I felt Al and Jonny wouldn't be moved, I also made a list of our assets, from most valued to least valued. Feel free to add more players to this mix as well. Let me see your Trade Scenarios and let me hear your opinions!!!!
Long, Shot Blocking, Athletic, Quick, Face Up, Strong, PF/C
Amare Stoudemire
Josh Smith
Derrick Favors
DeMarcus Cousins
JaVale McGee
Anthony Randolph
Hassan Whiteside
Emeka Okafor
Cole Aldrich
Hasheem Thabeet
Jason Thompson
Tyrus Thomas
Eddie Davis
Taj Gibson
Jan Vesely
Andray Blatche
Andris Beidrins
Robin Lopez
Brendan Haywood
Kendrick Perkins
Darko Milicic
Samuel Dalembert
Marcin Gortat
Joel Anthony
Larry Sanders
DeAndre Jordan
Solomon Alabi
Ekpe Udoh
Jarvis Varnado
Wing, Athletic, Scorer's Mentality, Long, Quick, Consistent Range, Defensive Minded, Can create off the Dribble
Evan Turner
Joe Johnson
Rudy Gay
Luol Deng
Monta Ellis
Gerald Wallace
Andre Igoudala
Wes Johnson
Xavier Henry
James Anderson
Anthony Morrow
Terrence Williams
Thaddeus Young
Al-Farouq Aminu
Martell Webster
JR Smith
Travis Outlaw
Josh Childress
Dorell Wright
Nick Young
Arron Afflalo
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Our Assets:
Ricky Rubio
Our own Top Five Pick
Kevin Love
Charlotte's Pick
Nikola Pekovic
Ramon Sessions
Corey Brewer
Ryan Gomes
Utah's Pick
Wayne Ellington
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Hollins?
I don’t think he is an asset. I think we would have to give something for someone to take on his contract. While his contract is small and Hollins does have great dunks, he is awful!
I'll admit I was wrong
When I was dead-set against trading Al plus the 6th pick for Amare. The Wolves should have made this trade. I made the silly assumption they would have drafted Stephen Curry as a floor-spacer to compliment Al’s game not the train-wreck that is Jonny’s dribble-drive game. If we had done this deal- think of the Cap Room we’d have for this summer.
I think we'll see..
…a sign and trade involving Al and Rudy Gay as well as a trade with a team like Chicago, Philly, the Clippers, or Miami for their 1st rounder (which would allow them to have more cap space to give out gigantic deals).
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Why Rudy Gay?
I still don’t have a handle on why we’d want Rudy Gay at the kind of money it’s going to take to sign him. Sign him to a $60 million contract and we’ve just locked up Corey Maggette long term.
Tend to agree with this...
Gay is a nice player, and would be a good fit for us, however:
1. He is all out for the money, and the “potentially disappointing and lazy for the next 3 years” factor is off the charts here. He was “enigmatic” until this…his contract…year. You see where I’m going.
2. The impending CBA re-negotiation will make this contract an albatross (no way will the owners get the rollbacks).
I am all good with improving from within, the draft, and addition by subtraction next year. No matter how the new CBA plays out, we will be in great position after the lockout.
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To clarify
You think we will sign and trade for Gay? And you think we will be going after those picks or those picks will be open for trade in general? Can’t really tell if you mean us or the league in general.
I’m not saying we’d necessarily want Gay, but he has to be a player on our radar because of our need of an athletic wing, and if he can be had for a value then why not? Will he be? Probably not, but he’s still very young, what is he like 23? He’s going to be an Olympian someday, this guy is a 6’9" wing with elite athleticism and a pterodactyl wingspan. Based on what Coaches said after last year’s Olympic Camp, “if he’s motivated enough, he can guard 4 or 5 positions”. Out of all these players I think we come out with at least two of these players, and hopefully all the top of these lists.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 10, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
I was actually asking SnP
but I enjoyed the response nonetheless!
Just pumped to have somebody else in the FO besides McFail!!! I still can’t believe we got anything for Foye and Miller, I mean anything, Jonny makes Foye look so soft, SI just did an article on the Rookie PGs and they rated Flynn the 6th Best, obviously because Collison has been tossed the keys to a borderline Western Conference Playoff Team, much like the Wolves for many years, which in the East would have them rated much higher, the lack of talent in the East is bad. They then asked Aaron Brooks of the Rockets and a Western Conference Scout what he thought of all the Rook PGs and Brooks said Lawson was the most well rounded, but that Flynn was a scoring PG like him, but he said he only was in that role because of how bad we were, and that he was trying to be a leader, trying too hard, the scout also confirmed that too.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 10, 2010 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like we want Lebron James
and Dwight Howard… think Lebron will come here this summer? Think Orlando will trade Dwight Howard to us for Jonny Flynn and his upside? Yeah…. me either :(
That said I would really try to target guys (apart from drafting) like: Rudy Gay, Josh Childress, Ronnie Brewer, Rudy Fernandez for wings and: Darko, Thabeet, Randolph, D. Jordan, or the Lopezez for bigs.
I think Thabeet, Fernandez, Randolph, and Jordan will be towards the lower end of their trade-value-spectrum this offseason. All of them have had injury issues or just not met their expectations in general. DeAndre Jordan is just not getting much PT and will be seeing less once Griffin is healthy, especially if they take a big in the draft (which seems likely if a good wing doesn’t drop to them – Wes Johnson or Al Farouq Aminu).
Brewer is an RFA. Gay is an RFA. Childress is a UFA? The other guys I’m not sure how we would get them. Never know for what you will be asked to get a Trailblazer and on the opposite end of that spectrum a Warrior, Grizzly or Clipper. Heck, if PHO wants to save more money, a simple second rounder might even get us R. Lopez! But that’s unlikely as he is cheap as could be. Maybe if we take back a contract…
Just trying to look at all the possibiities, I really do think we come out with at least two of the players near trhe top of each list. I think Kevin Love will go for one of these guys, maybe not in a straight up trade, but in something possibly bigger, Sessions and Gomes will too and at least one of our 1st Rounders, possibly more if we don’t land a one of the top prospects in what looks to be a four man draft in Wall, Turner, Cousins, and Favors. There’s a bigger overhaul coming.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 10, 2010 9:50 PM CST reply actions
By the way...
Can we just stop using the adjective “athletic” when it comes to our search for a big? Ryan Hollins is athletic. We don’t need “athletic.”
We need a guy that knows how to play help D, block shots, rebound a little, hedge on screens, pass well out of the low block on Offense, and have a semi-functional low post game.
Not only is a guy that jumps out of the gym not necessary, but I’m starting to think it’s a red flag. Being a good big is about size, positioning, and instinct. Definitely not athleticism.
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I think it is more in regards to
the fact that our “unathletic” guys like Love and Jefferson can’t come close to guarding the perimeter bigs like Orlando’s bigs, Dirk, Indiana’s bigs, Bargnani, etc.
So maybe not athletic in the sense of “I can jump out of the building” so much as athletic in the sense that “I can close out on the perimeter and still be able to adequately defend the guy if he puts the ball on the floor.” That I would completely and 100% agree with. I don’t want the C version of Gerald Green either!
I agree, not just vertically, but laterally as well, I think in terms of player development, you’d much rather have a player that’s a good athlete with a consistently developing skill set (Derrick Favors) over a player with a good skill set, but below average athleticism (Kevin Love)
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 10, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
"Consistently developing skillset"
Nice way of saying he kind of sucks and you HOPE he gets better. Derrick Favors is Stromile Swift 2.0. Mark my words. I will take a less-athletic, high BBIQ Kevin Love 10 times out of 10.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people rate physical ability over the actual ability to understand and play the game.
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Have you seen Favors play? He’s the Rebounder Al Jefferson is, with a great ability to block shots, his shot isn’t the most consistent, but he has good form, plus he’s a kid that just plays, he’s got that quiet motor, like Timmy, plus, he’s a big that can actually get out and run the break. He’s probably somewhere between Al Horford and Kenyon Martin in his Nets days in terms of a comparison, just imagine how much better defensively we would be from the get go, he’s quick too, plus, Stro’ always looked so stiff out there, Favors is much more fluid, believe me, Favors is much more than an athlete. If he works on his jumper this summer after the Draft he could come into the League and be a Carl Landry/Paul Milsap type right off the bat, 30 min, 12 pts, 9 rebounds, 2-3 blocks. He’s looked much better as the season has progressed, plus, he’s only 18.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 11, 2010 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
" I will take a less-athletic, high BBIQ Kevin Love 10 times out of 10."
Defensively you will never be able to succeed with Love and Jefferson playing together, what do you do? Take a big that can succeed with Al, like an athletic, defensive minded big like Favors, then trade Love for another pick and get an athletic swingman like Johnson, or select Turner and trade Love to get Favors, have you seen K-Love and Al’s defense together? In order for us to be successful something has to change, I’d take Al over Love anyday of the week, so who would you rather pair with Al out of that big man list, or find me another big man that you think would be available, I thought Bynum, but I think that may be wishful thinking.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 11, 2010 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Aldrich or an in-shape Darko...
Would be 2 examples. Not athletic, but they know where to be on the court. That’s what I’m looking for. Another Pryzbilla would be another example.
Don’t get me wrong, if we can get the next Camby, I’m all for it. But the bust potential on those “athletic” centers is so high. Guys that get by on physical talent at lower levels just don’t seem to adjust to the NBA very well.
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I highly disagree with your Favors is Swift 2.0 statement
I actually find it remarkable that you could say something like that.
It may be a bit harsh...
And it is a “worst-case scenario” sort of the thing. Let’s look at it this way, what’s his best case scenario? Tyrus Thomas?
An athletic, limited, D-minded PF just won’t cut it with our current rotation. We need legitimate size and BBIQ to play with Al and/or Love, IMHO.
Maybe I’m just pining for everything Ryan Hollins is not…
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Favors Best Case Scenario
Tyrus Thomas? Have you seen Favors play? I think his best case scenario is an Amare Stoudamire that plays defense. Now the chances of him reaching that are not real high, but he is an Amare kind of athlete with similar size. Favors has been compared to Stoudamire for at least 2 years now. Can we make a rule that people can’t comment on Draft Prospects unless they have seen them play at least one full game?
I've watched Favors play...
Although calling it “play” was pretty generous early in the season, when he was nowhere to be found. I know he’s been better lately, but please don’t get carried away with his upside. I’m being realistic. Calling him “Amare with defense” is a hugely optimistic projection. A pessimist would say the guy is the 2nd best player on a NCAA bubble team and he didn’t start playing until January.
My general point is that the bust factor for raw, athletic guys like Favors is WAY too high for the 3rd pick in the draft. Giving short shrift to knowing how to play the game is a recipe for disaster, and one we have made over and over for years. We can’t afford another draft where we are still saying “I hope he will get better” at the end of the season a la Jonny Flynn…
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It's called the BEST CASE SCENARIO
Of course saying Favors could be Amare with defense is optimistic, it’s called the best case scenario. Don’ t get me wrong, the chances of him turning into that are fairly slim, but it is a possibility. NBA success is based on stars, so if you are choosing between 2 guys you take the one with the higher chance of turning into a star. Favors has a chance to be a star, a guy like Aldrich does not. The Wolves especially are missing that player that can take over a game on either end of the floor when needed.
Then go ahead and take Aldrich, if Favors isn’t worth the 3rd Pick is Aldrich? If you truly think this you’re in a very big minority, out of all the Draft sites, nobody has ever said they would take Aldrich over Favors, not on any draft board, in any mock, or in any discussion for that matter. If Aldrich isn’t your cup of tea, maybe Greg Monroe or Wes Johnson, everybody knows they’re sure fire stars, so if Wall is #1 and Turner is #2, then who is #3 in your opinion, don’t even say Aldrich either, have you seen his offense? Favors looks better than him on O, and he’s 2 years younger.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 11, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be too quick to jump on mutleyil for stating an opinion
it’s not like it is a straight fact that Favors will be better than any of them. He said he thought he would be a bust and he could definitely be correct in that. His college stats are pretty similar to Stromile Swift’s and Swift went 2nd overall.
The funny thing is, all of these opinions together have probably stated his floor and ceiling pretty accurately. It’s just that bringing them together sometimes makes for arguments like this one. A floor of Stromile Swift isn’t terrible (obviously you want A LOT more from a third overall pick, but Swift wasn’t a complete chump), but a ceiling of Amare with defense is tremendous. The reality is (and you have both said it) that he will fall somewhere in the middle of those two. And drafting his middle is probably why he winds up ahead of Aldrich (slightly higher floor, much lower ceiling, more of a known quantity).
I’m just saying, who would you take over Favors if Wall and Turner are off the board?
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Personally
I want Favors. But I’m by no means certain that it’s the right choice.
Favors Certainly Looked good again last night
18 Pts, 9 Reb, 5 Blocks against North Carolina. I am by no means an accomplished scout, but I think at some point when discussing his numbers it has to be mentioned that Lawal is exactly the same type of player making them a terrible fit together on the floor, Georgia Tech can’t shoot from the outside and can’t make entry passes. All 5 UNC defenders collapsed the paint last night and Favors still got his.
He is an able and willing screener, he is mobile, he is athletic, and he will play in the low block. I don’t care that he’s not 7’0" to me he is an ideal frontcourt mate to Kevin Love.
Wholly agreed
Especially on the fit with Love. If only he had a couple more inches.
If for some unfortunate reason we end up with the 4th Selection and Wall, Turner, and Favors are gone what do you do:
1. Take BPA (Cousins) and trade him to somebody that sees more value in him than us (Detroit, Sac-Town, Golden State) for their Pick and something extra like an Austin Daye, Jason Thompson, or a Brandan Wright).
2. Take Cousins and hope he’s not a mental case.
3. Take Johnson and pray he develops a handle.
4. Take Aldrich and hope he develops anything close to resembling a decent offensive game
5. Take Ed Davis and pray he learns how to pass or dribble.
6. Take Monroe, is he worth a Top 5 pick, he’s not a shot blocker and he’s not a good athlete, would we take Aminu over him?
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Whiteside couldn’t even contain Jerome Jordan last night, I don’t want him guarding anybody, especially not 7 footers, Jordan would just spin on him and Whiteside would move out of the way, you want that with a Top 5 pick?
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
Jordan is an upper classman. It takes bigs a little bit of time to learn how to play. What Whiteside has is bucketloads of athleticism. Something we sorely lack in our current frontcourt. I wouldn’t mind getting Jordan with our Utah pick or the 2nd round as an insurance policy. The charlotte pick could get us the 2/3 that we also need.
The problem is, Jordan isn’t even considered to be a sure fire1st Rounder, I’ve read a lot of scouts don’t think he’ll be anything, why would Whiteside have so much trouble with him then? As this point, Whiteside’s basketball IQ is lower than Hollins, do you want to go through another season of that? I’d rather trade for anything but taking Whiteside, I have to admit he is quick and has elite shot blocking capabilities, but he will not be able to defend the post for at least two years, also, have you see how many plays he drifts out to the permieter instead of going for the rebound? Not what you want out of a Top 5 pick, I’m not sure if he has the heart to want to succeed, didn’t see it last night, I’d be shocked to see him go in the Top 5, somebody would have to reach for him.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
I’m assuming based on your high opinion of him that you’ve watched him more than I have. You really think he’s worth a Top 5 pick, if Cousins were to be there and Detroit was offering their pick and a guy like Austin Daye would you rather have Ed Davis and Daye instead of Whiteside?
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Good question
and I think it really depends on how the draft order (for teams and players) ends up. But once we figure out at least where we and everyone else ends up (if we end up at 4 or 5, who moved up that is no longer a trade partner?). I think my first choice would be to trade 4 and the Charlotte pick for two picks somewhere around 7 and 8. Then we really have more leeway on drafting a guy without having expectations of stardom that apparently come with the sixth pick (Flynn) for most people. We could pick up Aminu/Johnson and Adlrich/Whiteside/Davis and then work on getting Ebanks/George/Anderson some other way.
Also, Jefferson and Love become trade candidates here and we could look to the Pistons (Prince, Hamilton) and the 76ers (Iguodala, Dalembert) for a swap of picks as well. Don’t have any details, but Iguodala and 9 for Jefferson and 4 sounds like a trade that is close to working as is.
Lots of options once we figure out where everything falls into place. Don’t know how it will all turn out (or if we will even get the Charlotte pick) so we can’t say for sure what the best choice would be. But I’d prefer a couple pick swaps to taking Cousins and then waiting for 14 to pick again.
Definitely don't think Aldrich is better...
What I’m advocating is a more robust risk vs. reward evaluation of draft picks. If we get the #3 pick, I would rather trade down and select Aldrich than select Favors.
Calling Ty Thomas his BCS was defintely a mistake on my part. I should have called it his “likely scenario.” I get the Amare comparisons, but the kid was so passive early in the year, and he’s so raw…I just don’t think he is worthy of #3.
Amare was the tenth pick, IIRC… a worthwhile risk at that point. If we end up #5, I guess we take a flyer on him. But we have to move Al and pray that Ricky comes over to make it work.
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Favors has been compared to Dwight Howard, but as a PF version of Howard
Obviously that is very optimistic and would be if he realized every ounce of potential he has, but it gives a good picture of the type of player that Favors is.
We already have the C version of Gerald Green,
It’s Hollins, athletic as heck but has no clue how to play basketball.
by Bad News Wolves on Mar 13, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
There should be an asterisk next to Rubio and Pekovic with “rights” in paranthesis
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Mar 11, 2010 1:52 AM CST reply actions
Draft Order Will Dictate Strategy
Like for instance, if I could count on the 2011-12 Season being cancelled, the CBA undergoing major changes, and Rubio Coming over for 2012-13 this would be my ideal offseason for a Favors draft position:
Assets Out: Big Al (Traded to Detroit) , Gomes (Cut), Jazz Pick + Pekovic (Traded to Chicago)
Assets In: Prince + Detroit #1 (Rights to Jan Vesely), Taj Gibson + Chicago #1 (X. Henry)
Depth Chart for 2010-11
Darko\Favors\Hollins
Love \ Gibson
Prince \ Henry
Brewer \ Ellington
Flynn \ Sessions
Depth Chart for 2012-13
Favors \ Darko
Love \ Gibson
Henry \ Vesely
Brewer \ Ellington
Rubio \ Flynn
Outlook: Vesely comes over when Rubio does in 2012 after the cancelled season. Favors, Love, Vesely, and Rubio all fill effective roles in an entertaining transition offense with Henry and Ellington as spot up shooters. Gibson and Favors both bring strong defensive potential to their positions and you could still try and develop Darko. Prince is an expiring that fills a need but comes off the books before labor uncertainty. This team would likely stink in 2010-11 but with a Favors draft and the prospects so young, why not. It would be economically prepared to thrive in any new CBA environment and would have championship potential in my point of view.
I would be happy with any one of the Top four prospect of Turner, Wall, Cousins and Favors. With Favors or Cousins I think you have to trade Big Al since they all occupy the low block. With Wall you have to trade Flynn and eventually Rubio’s Rights. With Turner you could make a play with Pekovic and the two remaining firsts or more assets if necessary to snag an Alrdich or a Whiteside. I am excited to figure out strategy but hope beyond hope a Nets or Wolves Ping Pong Ball gets picked for at least one of the Top 3 picks.
You might be able to get a guy like Wes Johnson with that Detroit Pick too, Gibson is a little older too, I think he’s already 24 or 25, I’d rather try and get JaVale McGee or Anthony Randolph, but yes, I would still be excited for Taj, Paul Milsap 2.0.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 11, 2010 9:12 AM CST reply actions
22 is not too old
Every player in the draft used to be that age back when everyone stayed in school for 4 years. I’m tired of people saying that Wes can’t improve his game because he’s the ripe old age of 23. Those really are the twilight years smh. I understand if you’d rather have Favors or someone like that, but outside of maybe the first 5 picks you’d be fuking nuts to not take Johnson.
The first 5 picks
At this point it would be highly unlikely for the Wolves to be picking out of the top 5. I don’t mind Wes Johnson, but I keep wondering how just how special of a player is he? I don’t think he’s a franchise changer and it’s hard to pick wing guys that high without that potential.
Favors, Whiteside and Cousins all have stronger arguments to be top 5 picks than Johnson. It’s much easier to get a quality wing without star potential. We could try to sign Travis Outlaw???
Who else has likely franchise changing ability
outside of the top 3 or 4? I don’t really think Favors is a franchise changing player (those Dwight Howard comparisons are laughable), and Cousins has red flags up the ass. I’m not even saying take Wes Johnson, I’m saying people are waaaay too hard on him around here and other areas where nerds will roam.
Lots of surprises in the drafts
There has never been one example of where a draft has turned out exactly by how skilled each player is/becomes. We’re projecting a lot here and chances are someone we don’t project to surprise will indeed surprise. And a few of the guys we think are going to be great could end up as nothings.
Huh, maybe there is an explanation...
I’m thinking “Cousins has red flags up the ass” is why he has anger issues. Makes sense, I’d be a little ornery myself in that situation. And to be playing basketball? The man must be dedicated. I’m sure we can hire a professional flag extractor, right?
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Outside of Turner and Wall there is no guarantee, but Favors with his combination of athleticism, quickness, length, wilingness to learn, and already decent touch would rate higher than any player out of those two. You would honestly take Johnson over him? Yes, he is a pretty good athlete, and he does have range, but at this point in his College Career he still doesn’t have anything resembling even an average handle. With our lack of go to perimeter scoring, why would we want to select a guy that’s limited offensively in that regard? I’m not saying he won’t be a good player, just not a player we should select and expect to come out and be that “guy”. Plus, whatever Coach he plays with next year is going to be driven bananas by the habits Wes has picked up in that Zone D, much like our own Orangeman. If we drop out of the Top 3 and if we have the 4th or 5th Pick and Wall, Turner, and Favors are gone we will trade out of that pick. I’ve heard some say on here that Cousins is a favorite of the FO, but I still don’t see him being something we want to take in the Top 5th, I like him though, but his attitude scares the shit out of me, Whiteside too, saw him play tonight against Jerome Jordan of Tulsa, he’s an Elite Shot Blocker, that’s for sure, doesn’t have any go to moves, or really any moves at all in the Post, but his shot looks decent, didn’t see him connect, but good form, looks natural. His straight up Post D isn’t very good though, but he has a wide enough body to put weight on, he has that same attitude stuff though, almost like he feels all the calls should go his way, yelling at teammates instead of playing transition D, I don’t think he has very good rebound instincts either though, or he’s just too lazy to go to work in the Paint, maybe some of both. I’m actually liking Aldrich these days, be a better Darko out there, not a whole lof of star potential, but somebody that will be a good starter, just a smart kid, just looks too mechanical on O, needs to get leaner.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 12:13 AM CST reply actions
I never said I would take Johnson over Favors
It’s just that Favors is still a lot of hype and hasn’t produced like Johnson already has. Johnson is raw in areas but very polished in important areas as well. Favors isn’t really polished anywhere, but he definitely has youth and time on his side. And he isn’t NEARLY the leaper that Dwight Howard is. I’ve seen Favors jump and dunk and he’s at least a level below that.
Also NOBODY here knows anything
about what we will do with our pick. Don’t pretend you do. If you’re gonna speculate then speculate but just don’t act like you’re an “insider” within the organization.
Right on, where’s a “mole” when we need one? Where’s JustAFan?
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
Perfect Scenario:
We end up with the 2nd Pick in the Draft, we select Evan Turner.
Wolves:
JaVale McGee
Pacers 2010 Top Ten Pick (Cousins, Johnson, Monroe, Motiejunas, Davis)
Luol Deng
Jeff Foster
Wizards:
Kevin Love
Bobcats Pick (15-17)
Pacers:
Corey Brewer
Ramon Sessions
Jazz Pick (22-25)
Ryan Gomes (Can Release and owe Nothing)
Wayne Ellington
Bulls:
Nikola Pekovic
Pacers Top Ten Pick
Nick Young
Flynn
Turner
Deng (Johnson)
Jefferson/Hollins (Motiejunas, Monroe, Davis)
McGee/Foster (Cousins)
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 4:48 PM CST reply actions
We could probably get James Johnson from the Bulls for that trade too.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Rush of the Pacers too.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
PG: Jonny Flynn/Veteran PG that can shoot, or a Combo that can shoot/(Rubio in 2011)
SG: Evan Turner/Brandon Rush
SF: Luol Deng/(Wes Johnson/Dorell Wright?)
PF: Al Jefferson/(Greg Monroe/Donatas Motiejunas/Eddie Davis/Al-Farouq Aminu)
C: JaVale McGee/Jeff Foster
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
PG: Flynn/Veteran PG that can shoot
SG: Turner/Rush
SF: Deng/Johnson
PF: Jefferson/Monroe/Hollins
C: McGee/Foster
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Wolves:
JaVale McGee
Pacers Pick
Luol Deng
Jeff Foster
James Johnson
Brandon Rush
Wizards:
Kevin Love
Bobcats Pick
Pacers:
Corey Brewer
Ramon Sessions
Jazz Pick
Ryan Gomes
Wayne Ellington
Bulls:
Wizards Pick
Nikola Pekovic
Nick Young
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
The only team I think that gets F’d is the Pacers, they hate taking underclassmen, solves that issue, only guy I could see them taking based on character would be Aldrich, and they already have a C in Hibbert. Also neither Wes or Granger can play SG.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, Bulls would get Wizards pick.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 12, 2010 4:51 PM CST reply actions
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