GameThread #65: vs. Nuggets
by wyn on Mar 10, 2010 6:30 PM CST
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Denver Nuggets at Minnesota Timberwolves, Mar 10, 2010 7:00 PM CST
| 2009/2010 NBA Season | ||
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| 14-50 (Home 9-23) | vs. | 42-21 (Road 14-16) |
| Vitals: | ||
| March 10, 2010 | ||
| 7:00 PM CST | ||
| Target Center | ||
| Broadcast: | ||
| Radio: 1130 AM KFAN | ||
| TV: FS North / League Pass | ||
| Probable starters: | ||
| Jonny Flynn | PG | Chauncey Billups |
| Corey Brewer | SG | Aaron Afflalo |
| Ryan Gomes | SF | Carmelo Anthony |
| Al Jefferson | PF | Nene |
| Darko Milicic | C | Johan Petro |
| Stats | ||
| (29th) -8.51 - SRS - 5.00 (5th) |
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| (29th) 101.3 - Offense - 112.2 (2nd) |
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| (27th) 110.4 - Defense - 107.0 (15th) |
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| (3rd) 96.0 - Pace - 95.3 (5th) |
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| Previous Meetings | ||
| Links: | ||
| Denver Stiffs / Yahoo Preview / Timberwolves.com Gameday | ||
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Fans of those teams
are saying exactly the same thing about the Wolves, with more cause.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
I most sincerely doubt it.
"I was trying to focus on breathing," Milicic said. "I was just focusing on breathing so I didn’t die."
by Auswolf on Mar 10, 2010 6:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i just got all misty-eyed...
reading the starting lineups and not finding Hollins’s name anywhere. Anyone know if Ellington is gonna dress?
No KMart = Bad for Nuggets
No Hollins = Worse for Nuggets.
We’ve got ourselves a game, folks!
He's got to convert those little hooks though
Those are bunny shots because he took them under almost no duress and bricked every one of them. Defensively we’re a pretty different team with him in there though.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
Very true
He’s definitely skilled enough to make those shots (he’s supposed to be a good jump-shooter, even), so I wonder why he isn’t scoring more. Always have wondered that.
Though we can say he does offer concrete things to our team in defense and solid post passing, which is more than we can say for a few guys getting PT. A big who can walk and chew gum at the same time is usually worth something.
my audio isn't working...
any insight from that Love interview about why Rambis sat his ass?
Kind of B.S.
Rambis said Love wasn’t playing well and that he’s been consistent in continuing to play guys that play well and sit guys that aren’t. I get that, but c’mon, 12 effing minutes! When has Jonny ever played only 12 minutes? How about Big Al?
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
maybe love needs to punch someone in the face
to show he cares
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
indeed...
…he faked the defender like he was going to try and dunk it and then extended with the left. awesome play.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
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and Gomes' dish to Love was nice...
also liked that Love finished with the dunk. wish he’d do that more often. some times i forget he can…
and nice to see ellington in the game
and crashing the boards to boot…
Ellington is great
does a little of everything out there. Does things that help a team win.
Darko's doing everything...
but hitting his shots. Still very effective for us – nice to have somebody guarding the rim
he's also sucking a lot of wind
what was he doing in NY? Smoking 3 packs a day and drinking daily/nightly?
not to jinx it...
but we may hold a team under 20 pts for the 1st Q. Can we make Hollins suckerpunch someone every night?
Thank god Hollins isn't playing tonight
Aside from everything that’s been said before, can you imagine a game where the starting center match up would’ve been Ryan Holins vs. Johan Petro? James Naismith would’ve cried.
And hits the free throw
I havent been paying much attention to Ramon lately but I am assuming his FT% has been getting better.
Better since January
but his attempts have dropped off
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
i like the way our offense is set up right now...
only one turnover by darko and alot of ballmovement on the other hand
here's where I miss Hollins...
I need someone to suckerpunch Birdman, like, right now.
Hope Jonny was watching that one....
Great feed from Ramon.
this team is so so much better without hollins..... addition by subtraction -- BIG TIME...
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 10, 2010 7:55 PM CST reply actions
Not to beat a dead horse...
But WOW the wolves D looks serviceable with Darko
by TSAX on Mar 10, 2010 7:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
it helps when you have a big...
….who can hedge on the pick and roll in a pick and roll league.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
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That is by far the most noticiable thing about him, isn't it?
It’s like seeing a unicorn for Wolves fans, too.
by Eric in Madison on Mar 10, 2010 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
3 months ago I would have been terrified to see Brewer drive the lane like that
Wow has he progressed into a fun player to watch!
Eh
This is basic stuff though for most starting caliber shooting guards. I love what he can bring to the table, but he needs to get a lot better. His outside shot is slowly regressing to what it was earlier in the season and he still struggles finishing on more plays than not.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just saying that I don't cringe anymore when I see him drive the lane
or shoot corner 3s. That may be more of an indictment of how poor he was before than praise of how great he is now, but his improvement has been fun to watch nonetheless.
loving the ball movement tonight.
if my bank account wasn’t empty, i’d be sorely tempted to run over to TC and catch the 2nd half.
This game makes me sincerely hope....
….that Darko will give it one more go and come back for next season
i know thats right!
But the party line is “player development”. You know that already though. They act like sessions is 53 years old…
by TSAX on Mar 10, 2010 8:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Charlotte's kicking the bejezus out of the Sixers tonight
Whoever draws them in the playoffs is in for a loooonnnnggg series
The Sixers are underachieving terribly on defense
Brand, Dalembert, Iggy. And they are like 22nd in the NBA in Drtg. Eddie Jordan will be gone this offseason, no question about it.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
oh man the bobcats d is....
Soooo tough. And they add Tyrus? They may not win in the first round, but whoever they play will be exhausted when they move onto the next round!
by TSAX on Mar 10, 2010 8:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Darko's got 10 boards already...
with a block and several shots altered. Is this what it’s like to have a competant big? Can we get Hollins deported or something??
Plus he's really jammed up Nene
I’ve always felt that that’s the best way to stop the Nuggets. Nene’s the only player they have that can balance the floor for them
Great Half by the Wolves...
…I forgot what it was like when Pavs stays on the bench where he belongs.
Nobody in double figures scoring; weird.
only double figure is darko’s 10 ribbies.
by WillistonCoyote on Mar 10, 2010 8:14 PM CST reply actions
Milicic also leads in minutes played...
…now that’s REALLY strange.
by WillistonCoyote on Mar 10, 2010 8:18 PM CST reply actions
I thought Love's defense on Carmelo showed improvement....
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 10, 2010 8:21 PM CST reply actions
I don’t see why he would be trying to do that, but he is almost drowning in his jersey.
by Stay classy, Joe. on Mar 10, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
that's 2 games in a row where I've said the same thing.
I don’t know that I ever had before that (and I’m only partially exaggerating)
Very true
He’s made steady progress in going from the rudimentary kick out or pinch post handoff to finding cutters that are behind him along the baseline. Still not great, but better than in the past.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't think age would catch up to them so fast...
….I was convinced they would still be legit contenders through this year possibly next but now they are a shell of the team that won it all 2 years ago.
KG and Paul Pierce...
….don’t look like even half the players they were two years ago. Or even last year in Pierce’s case.
Meanwhile the Magic have suddenly figured out their team chemistry. The Celtics really have little chance this year now
Ok...
Love didn’t even attempt to get back on D after that last miss. Maybe Rambis is on to something..
No Darko = no aggressive closeouts...
Apparently…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
At least tonight the right guys are more or less playing
and they are playing well. The Nuggets have better players, and will probably win, but this is the kind of game you can live with. It resembles entertaining basketball.
by Eric in Madison on Mar 10, 2010 8:41 PM CST reply actions
PREACH
This game enbodies the way I invisioned the season to be. A lot of losing, but ENTERTAINING losing. Unfortuntely I am not a psychic.
by TSAX on Mar 10, 2010 8:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how many times tonight...
Rambis has thought, “This game is going way too well. Time for Ryan Hollins. AWWW CRAP!!!”
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Chris Andersen completely changed two shots and prevented a third from even being taken
That’s why having a defensive-minded big is of such great importance
I didn't like that last stretch....
Where Rambis sat both Love and Jefferson. Denver goes small and Rambis reacts by sitting our two best players. Result? 11-3 Denver run.
Yep
That’s tough with Darko who can’t really score and a bunch of smalls (who can’t really score).
by Eric in Madison on Mar 10, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
I said before the game...
Rambis was going to have to get creative to tank this game. Darko with no Love or Jefferson is certainly "creative.’
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
How has the league not figured out by now...
To stay on the ground against Al Jefferson? I don’t care how good the fakes are. Just stay on the ground, put your hands up, and he is incapable of doing anything.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
When Al is rolling it's a thing of beauty....
but when teams play him honest and double him (like right now) it is seriously some of the ugliest basketball I’ve ever seen.
Mostly true
And the bigger vets that guard him generally get this. But if he’s against a shorter player, he can just go to the jump hook all night without having to pump fake. The problem with him at Center is that he is often matched up against bigger players that push him out of his range and turn him into a mid-range jump shooter.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone listening to the radio?
Ramon just dropped a ‘sneaky deuce’?
Growing my own "Darko-stache" since last Monday.
Al has been brutal during this Denver run
Both ends of the court
Love and Jefferson
Defensively they are just a lethally bad combination against anyone with any semblance of size and athleticism. They are just overwhelmed.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yep...
Denver’s been running a layup drill for the last 10 minutes or so…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
I think this is where Rambis goes off the deepend
He hates what these two bring defensively and he goes to the extreme of bringing inferior players in like Hollins that theoretically matchup better. I guess it’s his way of making a point.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yup...
….one of them has to be traded within the next year
Yeah, but you have to roll with your best players
Hollins’ superior physical profile has translated to nothing but losing basketball. I think he needs minutes off the bench and he needs to be developed since he could eventually be a useful player, but not at the expense of Kevin Love. That’s just crap.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Both
Effort will only take him so far. He is physically inferior to most NBA bigs these days. He’s a true ’tweener on defense, too slow to guard PFs and too small to guard Centers.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Or too slow to guard centers?
Painful watching those weak slaps on Nene after he blows past him (twice in a row).
Yes, there are many Centers
that are quicker AND bigger than Al. Jefferson would have been awesome in the 70s and early 80s when bigs were slower and less athletic.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yes,
but it’s not all about athleticism. Just playing some fundamental defense would go a long way for Jefferson.
Not long enough
Al can be good enough to be a solid part of a 5-man unit, so long as there is a lot of length and ranginess amongst the other positions.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 10, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno if it's a quickness issue...
….as it is just weak fundamentals on Al’s part. He’s not any slower than, say, Kendrick Perkins or Jermine O’Neal
I think it's the same issue Flynn has..
….and that both of them have probably never had to play man to man defense until they came into the NBA. I doubt that either guy had to worry about anything but being physically superior in High School and AAU and eventually the competition caught up to them in terms of the defensive end of the court. They are both gifted players and they certainly have the tools to be good at that end of the court but in a sense it’s almost like they are trying to learn a new language as an adult; they missed out on the window of their life where they could be considered fluent.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
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This game is a great example...
Of just how soft we are on defense. Denver’s not the greatest, but they play very physical. They get their body on you, and make you earn your points.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Sorry to hear that....
JR Smith with a ridiculous alley-oop….you’ll see it on Sportscenter
Wilkins was fouled---no call...
at least he made it. Time Out.
by WillistonCoyote on Mar 10, 2010 9:22 PM CST reply actions
When Kahn said we wold play entertainging ball...
..I don’t think he meant it would be entertaining to see the opposing team dunk on us constantly.
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
How many close shots have Al and Love missed tonight?
Not to mention Jefferson can’t hit a free throw…
Another reason why George Karl is a terrible coach
Denver should absolutely not be pushing the tempo like they are right now. Just run the clock out and we have no chance.
Karl isn't coaching tonight...
…but ya he is overrated
George Karl isn't there tonight...
Cancer treatment…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Umm yea in case you missed it George Karl has cancer
This coming from the guy who says this to me in the other thread:
“It is better to be quiet and thought of as a fool than to speak and remove all doubt”
Thanks to all 5
I was more going with the general philosophy. Head coach still dictates this kind of stuff. We all remember this, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLoDtDTerEc
I’d like to think the Nuggets wouldn’t have forgotten at the very least.
For the record...
I was joking about how three people instantly pounced on your statement. Nice to see there was a fifth after!
“Denver should absolutely not be pushing the tempo like they are right now. Just run the clock out and we have no chance.”
Dude stfu. Obviously you thought he was coaching unless you believe he is still coaching the games from the hospital or wherever he is getting treatment at.
I've seen it written twice about this game
and I saw the interview of George Karl where he was tearing up. The pregame report even said something about how he won’t be back for a while (this week at the earliest?).
Would the Lakers run the Triangle if Phil Jackson sat out their next game?
Ok so therefore Karl's coaching philosophy dictates
exactly when to push the tempo in any number of different basketball situations by the interim coach.
If it’s that cut & dry why even have an interim coach? Obviously according to you there is some manual on Karl’s coaching philosophy that everyone knows exactly what he would do even though he’s not there.
When Mike D'Antoni is out for the Knicks
or for the Suns before he left there, do you think they would have tried to play Spurs style ball?
hahahaha
I mostly appreciate that you haven’t answered a single question of mine yet.
I’ll do you a favor and retract my comment about how this game looks Karl look bad. Now you don’t have to try to attack me and can add something intelligent to this site. Now what? Answer my questions?
LOL
In the last game wrap, I make valid points that a handful of other posters agree with me on, and you and John Doe jump all over me on it even calling me a fool and dumb even though I said nothing of the sort to you.
Now you make a ridiculously stupid statement in the very next game and I jump all over you for it. Why wouldn’t I? After your little show of internet toughguyism in the last thread for no reason at all. In this thread, your statement was so dumb that there is no point in arguing it, yet, instead of saying “my bad” you make up this ridiculous excuse about how you knew Karl wasn’t coaching and keep challenging me to argue with you about Karl’s coaching philosophy which has nothing to do whatsoever with the original reason that I jumped on you for.
But you can go on thinking you’re never wrong about anything if you want. Like I care. I’ll be the bad guy even though in the last thread you and John Doe are calling me a fool and dumb even though I said nothing of the sort to either of you and I was actually making valid points.
The snob mentality, double standards, and hypocrisy of the people of canispoopus never cease to amaze me.
Timeout...
MPLAX – You made a simple mistake. Just admit it and move on.
roundhouse – One or two guys give you a hard time, and you indict the entire CH population. Not cool.
Just agree to disagree guys, and disengage. If you don’t, well, you’re both basically kind of ruining it for everybody.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Simple Mistake?
Lol, it was a really, really stupid comment. And then he tried to defend it (for some reason), and failed horribly.
by College Wolf on Mar 11, 2010 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't start this fight...
I’m just finishing it.
I think I have the right to stand up for myself after I was attacked for making valid points in the last game wrap (AKA I said something negative about Love OMG)
And yes, I did mean that as a blanket statement for all of canispoopus. Obviously there are exceptions and there are smart posters here such as Andy G, Shogun, Eric in M, rumblebee, TimAllen and others that I’m forgetting, but for the most part, snobbish behavior, double standards, and hypocrisy are widespread and rampant among most of the canispoopus population.
There are only a couple of sites on the internet that closely follow the Wolves and actually have a following. Now that Britt has moved onto SI.com, canispoopus is really the only site that does indepth game recaps and analysis.
And yes, I want to interact with other people who watch the wolves. And yes, if I had a choice I’d be somewhere else rather than arguing with these blowhard know-it-alls.
I finally figured out what you were talking about with a game thread
and you have by far the most twisted sense of reality that I have ever seen. I had nothing to do with that entire ordeal except for commenting once to John Doe (which I’m sorry to inform you, had absolutely nothing to do with you) and once to you both, in response to nothing more than your guys’ immature stabs at each other (which you are now trying to make towards me, kudos).
You made a comment like, “Now you’re just playing dumb.”
To which he responded, "Better to play dumb than actually be it. "
So I responded with a relevant quote (I think I minced some words, but the gist was there), “Better to be quiet and thought of as a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”
Care to enlighten me about how else I started this “fight” that you are seemingly having with yourself as I have yet to make a rude comment towards you (maybe with exception to this post…)?
As for the original comment, how can you tell me what was going through my head? The Nuggets are my new second favorite team, but I have thought and still do think that Karl is one of the bottom 10 coaches in the NBA (Chauncey makes him look good). I saw a chance to take a shot at his philosophies and did so. If there is something to jump on me about here, then that is it. Not a comment that doesn’t even matter if I am right or wrong about just because you thought I treated you unfairly. I would have done the same thing with Don Nelson if I had a chance. Both of them make inexplicable calls and because of that they are my 2 least favorite coaches in the league (there are coaches worse than Karl, but Karl seems to get more of a free pass because of media perception). So if you want to jump on me for something, do it because you disagree about the actual substance of my statement, not because you are pissed off that someone disagreed with you. If you can’t do that, then go fiddle with your gaydar some more and at least leave me alone.
I think that's 2 games in a row
or 2 of the last 3 that he has gotten a rebound off a missed free throw.
Island in the Sun
plays when Corey is on offense? You’d think that would be when he makes a nice defensive play…
And in the end, Nene hits his season averages
Darko goes out, Nene and Birdman go off, we get blown out
Classic Wolves ball
Why did we lose tonight?
Turnovers Denver 7: Wolves 12 – So down 5 there.
Inability to Defend at PG – Billups and Small Forward – Carmelo…..
What kept us in the game? — REBOUNDING
Did we lose this game due to interior defense – NO!, well thats not true, we did lose it due to jefferson picking up fouls on successive bad calls, that would have been called if a Nugget made the same play on Jefferson or Love. The Nuggets got the “great team” calls, which put Jefferson out of the game.
Both of Jefferson’s strips were clean……
Jefferson and Love can beat the Nuggets…. and we saw them do it this year and we saw them play the Nuggets well in other games as well…
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 10, 2010 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if they were "clean"
But I do agree with you that they certainly weren’t enough to call and wouldn’t have been on a guy like Carmelo, Kobe, Lebron, Wade (or probably anyone on their teams except for Wade’s).
I'll have to object to this
The interior defense was absolutely a problem, especially with Love and Jefferson in the game, which was completely apparent if you watched the game. Nene and Chris Anderson combined for 31 on 10-16 shooting.
Your loyalty is admirable, but these players do have weaknesses.
by Eric in Madison on Mar 10, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Did you watch this game? If you still think AL and Love can play together after watching this game...
then well I guess I dont know what to tell you
KLJ...
Either you didn’t watch the game, or just WOW. The entire 2nd half was a layup and dunk drill by the Nuggets with Al and Kevin watching passively.
I know you’re mostly a numbers guy, but the interior buckets for the Nuggets were way too easy tonight. If whatever stats site you frequent doesn’t count “uncontested layups and dunks” let me quantify it for you: the final number was a “shit-ton.”
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Lot's of uncontested layups and dunks
and pointless freethrows (which in KLJ’s defense, I think he has a point about… but even then only 4 less FTs max).
Not to be that guy that cites facts...
…but it looks to me like we started the 3rd quarter up 3, and when Al and Love simultaneously checked out with 3:34 in the third quarter, we were up 1. Are you guys really that upset over the two point swing over the course of those first 8.5 minutes, or is the 11-3 run Denver had to close the 3rd quarter against our frontcourt of Gomes/Milicic maybe the bigger issue? Love/Jefferson came back in for the fourth quarter, and we played them to a 31 – 30 standstill.
When PopcornMachine releases the gameflows for tonight’s game, we can see exactly how Love and Jefferson’s +/- was when they both played, but the early indications are that we weren’t outscored when we played them, regardless of how bad their interior defense was.
The 31-30 "standstill"
Involved Denver going up by almost 20 before the “mercy” of the last few minutes.
Another flaw in overly relying on statistics.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
You're right.
The Gameflow Machine had Love and Al as a -7 together early in the 4th quarter. They had a -11 together overall, so yes, they played poorly together.
My objection to all this is twofold:
1) Just because they’re bad defensively (which we already knew) doesn’t mean we need to condemn them from ever being teammates or on the court together. Plenty of teams (OKC, Utah, Dallas) play strong defense without elite interior defenders.
2) It’s unfair to attribute the entire loss to Love and Al’s collective defense. The run Denver had to close out the 3rd was just as big.
When Al and Love took the floor together in the third...
….Nene and Birdman had a combine 8 points.
They finished the game with a combined 31.
Of those 31, 20 were scored on Al and Love in the second half.
Of those 20, 12 were scored on layups or dunks.
Of the remaining 8, 7 were scored on free throws from fouls Al or Love committed.
Like I said at the top, the key to the Nuggets is Nene. He balances the floor for them. We were winning, and fairly handily at that, until Al and Love combined to not play defense on the Nuggets’ big men.
Like I said above, Darko sits down, Nene and Birdman go off, we get blown out
Oceanary with the stats!
But you know, when you respond like this, it doesn’t allow you to push the company line of being able to say “stats can be misleading you know.” Interesting stuff though. I’m definitely backing off my “Maybe Al and Love weren’t so bad.” take from last night.
I like how the two people who said that put up pretty weak counter-arguments, but yours and the additional information I posted above are revealing. Maybe the issue isn’t that stats are misleading, but rather that no one stat tells the entire story. Last night, I was merely pointing out that the basic stats I could come up with from ESPN’ game summary didn’t necessarily show Al and Love to be a major problem. This morning, PopcornMachine releases better, more detailed stats, and it is revealed that the Love/Al combo was -7 in the 3rd, and -5 in the 4th. Had I had access to this information last night, I wouldn’t have entered the conversation and would’ve instead let the Love/Al haters have their moment in the sun.
And actually
In Al/Love’s -7 3rd quarter, they were actually doing just fine until Denver went small and Love had to guard Carmello Anthony. That part of the game falls on Rambis for not making the adjustment, not Love or Jefferson. Take out the -5 they had trying to cover Melo with Love, and the combo is only -2 on the quarter, -6 on the game. Still bad, but far from a disaster.
This is Exhibit A of how useless stats are if you don't watch the games.
I don’t hate stats by any means, just when they are used as absolute fact when they couldn’t be farther from the truth of what actually happened on the court.
Watching AL and Love play together on defense was sickening. I don’t know how to describe how bad they were.
If they had played any semblance of defense we could have won this game.
But if I were you...
I would probably say that your logic is too dumb to even refute and that your utter lack of even the most basic rationality is downright staggering.
Right?
Stop being an asshole.
If you really don’t like all the hostility around here, maybe you shouldn’t start stuff. Our argument in the last game thread was so distasteful, yet you’ve brought it back up twice in this one. If you want me to continue to explain what you said wrong over there, I’d be happy to, but I’m not going to let it carry over into this one.
Hey jackass
why don’t you take a step back and look at your posts.
YOU ARE THE ONE ATTACKING ME.
As far as I’m concerned, I said nothing wrong in the last thread.
You only think I did because you don’t agree with it.
Many other posters agreed with the points I made in the other thread.
College Wolf and TimAllen agreed with you.
Not that there’s anything to be interpreted from that.
How about we just ignore each other? I’ll stop attacking you three days ago (wait, that’s already true) if you stop attacking me in this thread, here and now, even though I never engaged you in conversation. You can go on completely convinced of your own correctness when you say things that TimAllen and College Wolf agree with, and I’ll go on saying things that get support from posters like LoveTo, feral, and Jose Cordoba, and there will be absolutely no way of knowing who is the better group of posters.
Wow you sure are one Grade A tool aren't you
That’s funny that you have Jose Cordoba backing you.
That just proves how dillusional you are.
a couple questions
a) i only watched a part of the game and brieftly caught the end of the in game rambis interview regarding Love’s minutes, could someone pls let me know what was said by Love and Rambis?
b) Love played 27 mins, had a double double, but what about his defense tonight, i still think 27 mins is too little, and its ruining my fantasy team as well. But maby he played less because of his D, give me ur thoughts thx
Didn't see game
But highlights highlighted Denver 3s somehow (they only made 1 more than Wolves). Stats look like poor shooting from Wolves but better than usual TO (I’ll take only 12 at this point). And Pavs didn’t play! Despite the loss, I feel like I missed out given the pavs-free game.
Charlotte won!
Chicago/Charlotte/Miami
I think it’s the Bulls who miss the playoffs. Their schedule looks rough. Two of their remaining home games are Cleveland, more road than home, and Noah/Deng not 100%.
I’m thinking 3 draft picks.
or Toronto
Raptors are playing horribly and are now tied with Cha and Miami
by TWolvesFanInLA on Mar 11, 2010 1:25 AM CST up reply actions
A smarting Kevin Love confessed that "there's some confusion" about coach Kurt Rambis' offense. (from jerry zgoda post gamer)
“This offense has been easy to run,” Love said Wednesday after the Timberwolves’ seventh consecutive loss, “but hard to figure out.”
Lots of things were hard for Love to figure out during Denver’s 110-102 victory in Target Center — like the brief stretch where coach Kurt Rambis assigned him to guard Carmelo Anthony, the league’s third-leading scorer. “I said, ‘Are you sure?’” Love said.
Minnesota didn’t respond to the small lineup in time, Jefferson said, and before the Wolves knew what had happened, their delicately built 72-70 lead had been shattered by a 22-4 Denver run that cinched their 13th loss in 14 games. And it left Love, already gritting his teeth over his fourth-quarter benching on Monday, wondering out loud about Rambis’ offense and his own role in it.
“My shooting percentage is down the past 10 games [he’s at 42.0 percent over that span] because I don’t know when I’m going to get the ball,” Love said earnestly. Rambis “is into precision, but I don’t feel like we know 100 percent what we need to do out there. There’s some confusion, and that’s kind of on us and kind of on them [the coaching staff].”
And here we go.
I was wondering when this would start. I’m surprised it’s taken this long for either Love or Jefferson to start getting frustrated by the losing and weird coaching enough to talk in the media. Hopefully he’ll calm down by next year.
At least he did not Tweet it
though 140 characters might not be enough space either.
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"WHAT ARE WE DOING?!?!?!?!?!?! I DON'T EVEN KNOW....."
I think his draft night tweet would probably get his thoughts across. I don’t worry about Al with these things. I worry a lot about Love.
Kid obviously has a point.
Rambis really, really needed to talk to Kevin Love about what he’s been doing over time. Benching the kid to begin with was a huge chemistry risk to take. I’ve been taking for granted that he’d have been smart enough to head off these sorts of comments.
Love’s a smart player. He can see what Ryan Hollins does out there. He can see Jonny Flynn’s laminated “Get out of Jail Free” card, and he knows he hasn’t got one himself.
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