First overall pick scenario, what would you do?
by Darth Tugits on Mar 18, 2010 10:52 AM CDT
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Ok, this is my first post but I read a lot of the threads and I did not see this covered anywhere. I think with what the Wolves have and what they need I would try to do the following. Draft John Wall, then see if you can deal with the team picking at 2 to get Turner. You them would have a solid future core at point guard, shooting guard, and power forward with Love. If it takes trading the Rubio rights, another one of our picks later in the first round, and maybe moving Jefferson for some dead salary or scrap, I would do it.
Pretend you are Kahn, what do you do?
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If Kahn could talk himself into a Rubio-Flynn backcourt, I’m guessing he won’t have any trouble doing the same with Rubio-Wall.
Given that Wall plays a similar style to Dwyane Wade, he might be a natural shooting guard in the NBA.
Rather than start dishing out assets like Rubio, Love and Jefferson to form a Wall-Turner backcourt, it might make more sense to trade nobody, and run with Rubio-Wall-Brewer-Love-Jefferson and whatever other pieces we can add to the puzzle.
Then again, this requires us winning the lottery. So, it’s a little premature to speculate, as much fun as it is.
There's been a little talk
about Turner going number one as well. Wall is still the odds on favorite, but Turner’s performances have sent him up the board.
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by TheEvilProfessor on Mar 18, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
If I was Kahn...
…I’d draft Wall first and then trade Rubio’s rights, along with something else, to the team who has the #2 pick (Nets?) and choose Turner.
I was excited about the Rubio pick, but he may never show. Since this premise is all speculation, I’d probably look at moving Jefferson to try and lock up a big. Like Andy said, it is fun.
That would be a pretty amazing draft...
the two best players in a two-player draft.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Mar 18, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Draft Wall, trade Rubio and ??? for #2 and draft Turner. Then figure out what to do with Jefferson/Love/Pek.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Mar 18, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
It could be done.
If we land number 1 we would be stupid not to take Wall. And New Jersey is in trouble and they need the “sexy” pick that would be Rubio. Hell I’d give em Rubio and Charlotte’s pick for that. I love Evan Turner and he would pair great with Wall. OK enough wishful thinking lets all get back to reality now.
by waldo11teen on Mar 18, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
"If Kahn could talk himself into a Rubio-Flynn backcourt"
How much of that do you think Kahn actually believed? I think it was to save some face, not completely piss off Flynn and Rubio, and maintain whatever leverage they might have had in a trade scenario.
Jeezus, please tell me Kahn didn’t ACTUALLY believe that?
Well...
all we know for sure is that he drafted both players. So, I think there’s a reasonable chance that he meant it and believed it.
But, if Wall is really 6’4" and can do everything he does off the dribble, he might be more of a shooting guard in the NBA, like Iverson and Wade. In that case, maybe he and Rubio would play well next to each other — especially if one or both players can develop perimeter jumpshots.
Unplug all Phones and Draft Wall
The NBA is a star league. MN needs a star, so you draft John Wall. It’s a no brainer.
Wall has played plenty of SG alongside Blodsoe this year, but really, that doesn’t matter. You can’t look at position this high up in the draft. If Kahn has shown us anything, it’s that he can make moves, so I don’t really worry about his ability to get evantual value for our roster redundancies.
by Mac of the MIAC on Mar 18, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions
For those picking Wall,
Would you just play him at the 2 or try to do something with other PG assets like Flynn, Rubio, Sessions?
At first...
he could play the 1, the 2 or some of each. Ricky Rubio won’t be here, next year and Wall could step in and take Jonny Flynn’s job without much difficulty.
If Wall looks like a shooting guard, try it out with Rubio. If not, trade Rubio when he is actually coming to the NBA — that’s when we’d actually get good value for him, I would think.
Or just draft Evan Turner.
If Wall is the potential superstar that most think and Turner is as good as he seems this year, how do you not take Wall and try everything to get Turner to (using Rubio)?
I have some doubts about Wall attitude, shooting, and hasn’t been statistically superior but if he’s as legit as most suggest, you have to take him right?
So…the decision is Turner vs. Rubio? I think Turner is going to be good and we know we’d get him here. If we could use Rubio to get him, I’d do it.
I'd probably agree
I think I like Rubio > Turner, but if we have Wall, I’d take knowing Turner is on our roster vs. waiting for Rubio. The question is would anyone else trade Turner for a player that “may” come over? I doubt it.
by Cedarpenguin on Mar 18, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Wall
Gives us the legit star that each team needs, which reduces Rubio’s (to us) in my mind.
by Cedarpenguin on Mar 18, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
DoH!
I mean to say “reduces Rubio’s value to us”
by Cedarpenguin on Mar 18, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it would take more than just Rubio
But if it’s NJ, I think Rubio + another pick should do it. I’d be pretty confident he’d come over to play in New Jersey.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Mar 18, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Rubio doesn’t have a buyout, but that’s not to say that something couldn’t be worked out if their new owner got involved and Rubio really wanted to come. Everything’s negotiable right? If Rubio’s team wins everything this year, and he could play in Brooklyn (eventually) I could see him working a renegotiation???
The question then becomes what do we do with Flynn (and/or Sessions)? Not many teams need a PG given the influx last year and sheer amount of good talent in the league. Indy is about the only one.
Ist overall pick......I'd trade it!
I’d make sure I’d get Turner and Cousins. If Turner would be taken #1 we’d end up with Wall and Cousins…….
I think this gets decided during the tourney
Either Wall or Turner is going to be affected (for good or bad) enough during the tourney to lock one of them at #1. I take the best player even if that means another PG.
I try to do more no matter who is #1. Grab one of them with the 1st pick, then make a major move to get the #2 and grab the other guy. Unlike several of you above, I keep Rubio. The thought of having PG, SG, and SF covered the entire game by Rubio, Wall, Turner, and Brewer makes me smile. I could also see them occasionally going with a 3 guard lineup which would be a blast to watch! They are also set at PG, SG, SF, and hopefully PF for a decade.
Basically, I try to move Flynn and the extra 1st rounders to get a pick around #6. Then use the #6 and either Love or Jefferson to get the #2. In this scenario Pekovic probably becomes the backup PF next season. Depending on what Darko does, they could be a little weak at center, but they also have cap space.
another thought
could we package our other two picks (from Charlotte and Utah, respectively) with an actual player for a high draft pick? For example, Jefferson and those two picks for the number 2 (assuming the t-pups win the lottery and NJ has the #2 pick). Keep Rubio’s rights for later on. I’m guessing the Knicks are going to want him pretty bad…
Wait,
so the Wolves trade with NJ would give them either a taller Brandon Roy or a better-passing version of Derrick Rose, making, like, 4 million a year, and in exchange the Nets get a slightly younger slightly lesser paid ZBo (now with new DUI!), plus Alabi and someone named Eliot Wiliams? And those three players alone will eat up almost a third of the Nets cap space?
I’d do it in a heartbeat. But the Nets would be crazy to make that trade.
However, the Nets are going to need some bodies to fill out that roster once their efforts in Free Agent Frenzy inevitably come up short . . . hmmmm. Would you throw Rubio’s rights into the deal, too?
Giving up Rubio on top of the rest of this offer is too much
I think Rubio would be the 3rd pick in this draft if he was playing next season. The Wolves need talent and should hold onto him, at the least he is worth more in a trade in a year or two.
But you are correct in your initial question. That’s why I think if this scenario is even possible, it will take a couple different trades, or at the least three teams and Flynn, Sessions, or Pekovic.
Take Wall
Trade Flynn and whatever a team in the mid-lotto wants (within reason) for another pick. If the #3 team wants Jefferson or Love in addition to Flynn, I’d do that and take Favors. Trading for Turner would be a near-impossibility without significantly overpaying in my eyes, but for me trading Flynn and Jefferson for Favors and an expiring vet and change… well… that’s about the right price.
So yeah, I’d take Wall, move Flynn, hold onto Rubio for now, and if a team comes begging for Rubio then I’d ship him out because Wall would be the guy we’re banking on.
Too bad we can't just trade our roster for Kentucky's
by oblivionspocket on Mar 18, 2010 10:08 PM CDT reply actions
If the Kentucky team stayed together for three more years
and the Wolves did as well, I wonder which team would be better?
The current Wolves
would still be paid less than the Wildcat players are paid right now . . .
ZING!!!!!
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