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All that has Kahn Before

Is David Kahn a good GM?  I think the jury is still out but I wanted to take an opportunity to evaluate him on what he has done and look ahead at some unresolved issues.

Bad - Kahn was considered a crony, re-tread hire with little success.  This board was upset that a new up and coming stat guy along the lines of Pritchard and Presi wasn't hired.  This is more on Glen Taylor than Kahn, but his reputation coming in was not positive.

Good - Kahn traded Foye and Miller for the 5th overall pick.  I thought this was good on two fronts.  First, it set a tone by getting rid of two starters that did not live up to their expectations and started the 'strip it down to the studs' process that we saw unfold.  Second, the Wolves got Rubio.  That was lucky, but even before the draft I thought this was great.  I believed Griffen and Rubio were 1/2 - and that Harden, Tyreke, and Curry were real quality at 3/4/5.  With Hasheem likely to go in the top 4, I thought the Wolves were in a great position to grab two of the 3/4/5 guys.

Good - According to Kahn, he did everything he could to move up and grab Tyreke Evans.  I have to admit - he scared the hell out of me.  I'm not sure I would have taken him at 6, but if true - Kahn saw a superstar where many others saw a question mark.

Good - Kahn took Rubio at 5.  This was probably an easy decision at the time.  Rubio was one of the two players in a 'two man draft'.  It's hard to say whether or not the following drama was predicted at the time - but nonetheless, this was the right move.

Awful - Taking Flynn with the 6th pick.  It was bad then, it is worse now.  Applying hindsight it is clear that Flynn is not as good as 5 PG's taken after him - Curry, Jennings, Lawson, Collison and maybe Holiday.  But even at the time this pick was terrible.  1) Curry was right there!  How do you pass up on a shooter with good PG size?  He and Rubio would have made much more sense as a backcourt on offense and defense.  This was an OBVIOUS pick, except 2) Flynn's biggest basketball skill was his interview, and Kahn was seduced.  "oh, but he's a leader!"  Yeah, but his game is ... ordinary.  3)  We know 5 PG's are better now.  But even then I had him behind Curry, Lawson and Jennings.  My fear - this pick does as much damage as the Ray Allen for Steph Marbury trade.  Awful.

Bad - Kahn traded the 18th pick - Ty Lawson - for the protected Charlotte pick.  I had Lawson in my top 10.  Others did too, and time has shown this judgment to be largely correct.  My view at the time is that Kahn traded a top-10 talent for a top 12 protected pick next year - or top-10 protected the year after...  I asked myself - 'Why are the Wolves delaying gratification for a pick that may not come, may come later in the draft than 18, and may not provide a top-10 talent?"  Now full judgment can't be passed until the Charlotte picked is used or traded - and I'll address that later, but this was a dumb move.

Bad - Kahn selling 2nd round pick Nick Calathes.  It seems to me that 2nd round picks are an excellent way to cheaply fill out roster spots 11-15, or stash Euros for further evaluation.  Calathes could have been either.

Good - Kahn signing Ramon Sessions.  Yes, there are a ton of PG's on this team but Sessions was a good deal and should bring back a useful asset or be a super-sub PG.

Good/Bad -Kahn signing Ryan Hollins.  At the time I thought it was a good move, but the guy really stinks and is being paid for 2 more seasons.  It was the right idea, but wrong player.  I'm very forgiving of this move.

Good - Kahn trading Smith, Telfair, et al.  This continued the 'strip it down to the studs' movement which I believe was critical to change the culture and start over.  The acquisition of larger expiring contracts such as Blount's were potentially more useful near the trade deadline.

Good - Kahn telling Blount to stay away.  Set the tone - we won't tolerate lazy head cases.

Good - Kahn hiring Rambis.  I liked the move at the time.  Good pedigree, coming from Phil Jackson's school of coaching, ran the defense, seemed like a good pick.  Maybe if he'd been hired before the draft, the triangle would have demanded taking Curry.... and as time goes by Rambis is doing some questionable things, but we'll address those later.  At the time, this was a good move.

Good - Kahn trading for Darko.  Not a major move, but a nice one.  The team gets a look at a real center and they can butter up the Euros.

Bad - Kahn made no other deadline moves.  This was very frustrating.  Surely he could have plucked another lottery pick or SOMEthing.

 

Open questions

How will Kahn resolve the Jefferson/Love death match?  He inherited this mess, true.  But he does need to resolve it.  He is clearly trying to get max value for Jefferson, but the guy has to go.  Clearly Love hates playing behind him or with him.  So long as this is Al's team, we are doomed as fans.

Is Rambis the right coach?  Does the triangle make sense for a PG talent heavy team (depends on future personnel)?  Can he teach defense(not without a shot blocker)?  Can he keep the players motivated and pursuing their proper roles(so far so good)?  Can the man put together a rotation that makes any sense(uhhhh, no)?  Can Rambis develop young talent (signs point to yes)?  Clearly more time is needed before judging Rambis, but he has lost esteem since his hiring.

-Gomes - stay or go?  I vote for cap space!

-3 first round draft picks - who does Kahn take or how does he use these to get significant players.

-Use of cap space - same deal.  This off season is critical for Kahn. If he screws it up he should be fired after next season.  If he gets it right the Wolves could have a wonderful 20-teens.

-Henk and Pekovic - What will Kahn do with the Euros?  Will he get good or any value out of them?

Poll
Is Kahn a good GM?
One of the Best ever
2 votes
He's very good
51 votes
Will lead us to a .500 record!
30 votes
Reputation as a 'warmed over re-tread' is well deserved
14 votes
David "look out Isaih!" Kahn
9 votes

106 votes | Poll has closed

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I still give Kahn an incomplete

I really liked Holiday before the draft (good head on his shoulders and a strong defender with good size and tons of potential, possibly more potential than most PGs in this draft) and seeing him play really well the last couple weeks has really hurt. My usual draft strategy is to ignore guys that I think are overrated, terrible fits, or draft busts. Flynn was one of the guys I ignored before the draft (and he was a position of need), so I had to go home after I saw this and look him up and convince myself of his worth (I did a little bit). So far I’m willing to give him until next season and not much beyond that to see what he can do over the summer.

Random replies to the rest of your post section. Agreed on Hollins. We didn’t have any PGs besides Flynn when we signed Sessions, right? Gomes should be gone and replaced by the Utah pick for a fraction of the price. Don’t miss Lawson. Would rather have the Charlotte pick. Weak draft v strong draft thing for me. Really would prefer a more stats centered approach from Kahn in the future. It’s not something to base decisions on, but even more so it’s not something to ignore. Norel (or Alphabet) should be used as phantom contracts to get teams under the lux next season. Cap space should be used in a similar fashion. During the offseason to take on a lot of cap space from other teams and to sign guys like Canis favorite, Josh Childress. I also want to see them take a deeper look into Ronnie Brewer and Haywood (depending on Cuban). And my new favorite guy to push for in FA, David Lee! Get him before NY knows if Lebron/Wade/Bosh are going to reject their offers for sure. He’s a relatively cheap guy who provides a lot of effort and production. We can then trade both Jefferson and Love if needed and move up from the Charlotte/Utah picks and hopefully fill a couple more positions of need. Lee hopefully wouldn’t be too opposed to coming here and eventually playing with Rubio and a couple very high picks (Favors and Rubio would be a nasty combo… for other teams). This does require us to get rid of Love as they are probably too redundant (though Lee has played decent at C for NY).

My targets for the draft: Turner/Wall, Cousins/Favors, Whiteside (scariest pick, but best fit after Turner), Aldrich, Aminu (if he drops enough), Monroe, Henry, Anderson, Ebanks, George, and possibly Warren if he drops as far as some think he will. Second round I want Warren, David Lighty, or Malcolm Lee if they declare.

Good post by the way, very thought provoking on multiple fronts.

by Mplax on Mar 18, 2010 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

quick correction:
We didn’t have any PGs besides Flynn when we signed Sessions, right?

We had Jason Hart until the Alando Tucker trade.

by losDelFuego on Mar 18, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

wasn’t counting any DLeaguers or summer league players. I was mostly forgetting if we dealt Bassy before or after Sessions.

by Mplax on Mar 18, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

PG Chronolgy

7/10 Signed Jonny Flynn
7/20 Traded Telfair, Craig Smith, Mark Madsen for Q-Rich
7/27 Acquired Chucky Atkins, Wilkins for Etan Thomas + two 2nds
9/2 Rubio signs contract with FC Barcelona
9/9 Bobby Brown + Songalia traded for Daniels + 2nd
9/11 Signed Ramon Sessions
9/22 Waived Chucky Atkins

by shrink on Mar 23, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lee won't come cheap

My guess is he’ll ask for more than $10 mil per. Even if he doesn’t get it, whatever he gets will be more than he’s worth.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 19, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That definitely makes a difference

but he did take a one year $7M deal from NY this year. It’s possible he could take a 4ish year deal with a player option for an average of 7-8M. More security usually lowers an asking price and we are matching what he got in terms of dollars with extra security and a player option.

I wonder if it is possible to do a 4 year contract with years 2 and 4 being player options and year 3 being a team option… Happen to know that answer?

by Mplax on Mar 19, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

With so many teams with money this year

He’s not going to get underpaid. Whoever misses out on Lebron/D. Wade/Bosh will spend their money on something and that something will probably be Lee. Remember, Detroit gave a ton of money to Gordon and Villanueva; NBA GM’s seem so be pretty impulsive.

by KMils on Mar 19, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why

you throw money at him the second FA starts. While other teams are still holding their breath for the bigger FAs. Then you let him know he is our number one target, and he probably still has it in the back of his mind that no one wanted him last year.

by Mplax on Mar 19, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee doesn't play much D

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Mar 20, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we have reason to be skeptical about Kahn wanting to trade up for Evans...

I know he has said this in interviews, but he’s only said this after Evans firmly planted himself as the ROY. Frankly, I think Kahn might be flat out lying. All indications from Jerry Zgoda were that Kahn was targeting Hasheem Thabeet, and Chad Ford was saying Kahn was targeting Rubio. So who knows what he was really trying to do.

Another BAD: Kahn would have taken James Johnson with a the 18 pick because he thought he was a “top 5 talent”.

by Blakeley on Mar 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Not sure...

I only know from that Wolves Halftime special where they went inside the draft room that James Johnson was the only player Kahn thought was worth drafting at that 8 spot.

by Blakeley on Mar 18, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why he was worth drafting

Also, Johnson’s not necessarily a bust. The Bulls choose to play Gibson because he was ready to play immediately, not because of his potential. Basketball Prospectus, for one, has observed this. I’m not going to write him off just because Vinny Del Negro doesn’t think he’s worthy of PT.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 19, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Johnson would have ever played for the Wolves. Just a hunch, but if the trade rumors were true (w/ Sacto) I think talking about Johnson like that is probably the way to spin it with the cameras in the room.

I think the Wolves had Flynn ranked pretty high, but not quite as high as Evans. They were willing to trade 18 (Johnson) for Evans, but nothing more so they had to wait to see if Johnson fell. And with the cameras in the room you talk up Johnson as the guy you want at 18. If they really felt Johnson was a top 5 talent, I’m pretty sure that Kahn would have found a way to trade up three spots for him from 18 (28 and/or Pekovic’s rights) considering that he just dealt 2 starters for the 5th pick.

by Blond Ricky on Mar 26, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kahn

I heard Kahn state, in at least 2 interviews directly after the draft that he had Evans rated highly and would have taken him ahead of Rubio. I don’t know if the trade-up rumors are true, but Kahn stated he wanted to draft Evans shortly after the draft.

It seemed like Kahn relied heavily on workouts in drafting Flynn, and to the same extent, wanting to draft Evans. This approach is a bit flawed, and I hope that having a year to watch games will shift his strategy a bit.

by Mac of the MIAC on Mar 19, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that's true....

Then I feel a somewhat better.

I worry though. Kahn doesn’t seem to be the biggest fan of statistical evaluation. But he also has no experience real experience in Talent evaluation either. So what’s he doing?

by Blakeley on Mar 19, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

People underestimate his previous NBA experience

He hasn’t been a GM before, but neither were any of the other candidates who they were considering. He held a position as high up as Dennis Lindsey, Tom Penn, or any others besides Randy Pfund. He doesn’t lack experience any more than those other guys. The 5 years he spent away from the game is more of a concern than lack of experience.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 19, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kahn is ok, but he needs help

He needs a stats guy and a stats team, and he needs a good talent evaluator. It’d be nice if he personally knew how to use stats, and it would be nice if he could personally evaluate talent. However, I don’t trust him to use stats correctly or make astute evaluations of talent. If he realizes he needs this kind of help, he could probably be a good administrator and franchise spokesperson.

by oblivionspocket on Mar 19, 2010 12:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't know if that is true, but it is a reasonable position to take

Kahn seems able to do several things very well:

  • Form and articulate a long term vision and high level plan
  • Negotiate with agents and other teams to pull together deals
  • Understand and plan for the financial side of the roster

I agree that it is less clear he is strong in player evaluation and intelligent use of statistics. From the info from Just A Fan, it sounds like this summer will be Kahn’s first opportunity to hire his own staff. If he is able to recognize those weakness and hire the right people, Kahn seems to have the right skill set to be the top level guy. You want leaders that have a vision, can get others to buy in, target the right high level objectives, and can make intelligent decisions.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Mar 19, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kahn's Moves

Is it just me or does it seem like Kahn’s latest moves have been to please the masses? I could easily see him taking a big name that is overrated in the draft over a more talented player, the casual fan has never heard of. I could see him making moves for PR purposes trather han to help the team. Am I worrying for no reason or could this actually be the case? An example is I could see him taking a guy like Cole Aldrich, because he’s from here and people know who he is, over a guy like DeMarcus Cousins who is obviously much more talented but has a little edge to him. Any thoughts?

by jama on Mar 19, 2010 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, because the all those Wolves fans

were clamoring for Hollins and Darko and what not. Not to mention Flynn, esp. after we just drafted another PG. Kahn is all about being the smartest guy in the room. We’ll see after this next draft and off-season if he really is.

by BDavige on Mar 19, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

He probably would have taken Curry if this was his MO.

by Mac of the MIAC on Mar 24, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sold, especially after the last month

But he was always going to need more than 12 months. If there’s no progress at this time next year, then we’ve got a real problem.

I’d add a Good: Drafting Ellington at 28. He looks like he can contribute.

I do also appreciate that he’s been open (Note i’m not saying “Open AND honest.”). But he’s been wiling to have a conversation with fans and seems to be getting somewhat comfortable with the reality that in today’s world there isn’t going to be much of a filter between the front office and fans. Does this make him a good GM? Not a bit. But it is welcome.

And one major bad: He and his coach haven’t been able to get the roster to play hard the entire year. Which was one of his mantras from the beginning. I get that some fo this was disguised tanking, but it’s degenerated into something much more insidious in the last 3 weeks. It’s no fun to watch, and it can’t be helping their March season ticket renewal push.

by Sterno on Mar 19, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

How about "The jury is still out" as an option?

Ranking him until his first draft choices (except for Rubio) have played at least 2 years is pointless. I’m not saying he’s good or bad, but I disagree with any implication that he and/or Rambis are the sole reason why this team has the record that they do.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 19, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

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