The 12-1 run to nowhere
I have to admit that I tuned into the game with about a minute to go in the first quarter. I didn't get to see, first-hand, how the Wolves gave up a 13-2 and 9-2 run in the opening 12 minutes to go down by 11 before most of the VIPs had a chance to make it to their seats.
There isn't much to say about rotations, coaching, and effort against the Lakers. They are a bigger, stronger, and more talented team. Kobe Bryant's mind was clearly somewhere else during the festivities and he was content with doing little more than facilitating for his teammates (13 assists in 33 minutes; which, btw, is a nice look for him against weaker competition; time to start keeping as much mileage off those tires as possible at this stage in his career) and getting to the line (13-14).
It's that last little stat that ultimately did Our Beloved Puppies in. Against a lethargic Lakers club who seemed to put everything into a gigantic 1st quarter, the Wolves managed to out shoot them in eFG and out rebound them (both in terms of net and percentage). Unfortunately, they were absolutely destroyed at the line:
For those of you not playing along with free throw rates, the Wolves managed an 8-11 tally at the free throw line compared to Los Angeles' mark of 29-35. This wasn't about poor reffing or home court advantage. It was about aggressiveness (even on an off night for the home team) and brute size and strength. The Lakers consistently put themselves in a position to draw fouls on the smaller team by putting them on their heels.
There were a few moments here and there where Darko Milicic was able to be something of an equal defensive counter balance to Andrew Bynum (before his injury), Pau Gasol, and Lamar Odom, but for the most part, the Wovles were attempting to put the woefully mismatched Kevin Love 10 feet off of Odom and the even more mismatched Al Jefferson up against Gasol.
Big Al has put up some doozies of defensive efforts here in the past few games. Last night's performance was right up there with last week's effort against the Dallas Mavs. It's one thing for a guy like Love or Jefferson to be taken out on the perimeter by a guy who can put the ball on the floor like Odom, or, from another recent mismatch, Carmelo Anthony. We all know that neither of these guys is going to be able to stay up with a combo forward with any sort of athleticism. It's quite another for one of them to be abused by a guy they should be expected to guard were the team to have a normally sized lineup. When Al gets lit up by Nene or Gasol, that's more frustrating (and depressing) than watching Love play the matador to Odom or Melo.
Last night's non-Darko front court defensive action was a panoply of bad positioning, poor rotations, and outright indifference to the large men in yellow streaking towards the rim. It is only by the reciprocal indifference of the Lakers that the Wolves did not surrender their 3rd straight game of 120 points or more.
The other elephant in last night's loss room was the awful play of Damien Wilkins and Ramon Sessions, particularly in the 3rd quarter. After a poor start, (no free throws in the 1st quarter, really?) getting massively out-gunned at the line (again, no free throws in the 1st), and posing very little in the way of interior defense (other than Darko, of course), the Wolves managed a 12-1 3rd quarter run to pull ahead by 2 points with about 5 minutes to go in the 3rd. This little run did three things: first, it provided Wolves fans (and the players) with their first moment of "hells yeah" in the past week or so. Second, it caused Phil Jackson to call a time out and remind his players that they actually had to exert some effort against the cute little squad from Minny. Third, it came at a point in the quarter where the Wolves had to make some substitutions and...well, it all fell apart from there.
Upon entering the game after the end of the big run, Sessions and Wilkins combined for 3 turnovers (it should have been 4 were Jonny Flynn not charged with bumbling a bad Wilkins pass...at least that's how I thought it was scored) and several questionable passes. These weren't just your run-of-the-mill NBA turnovers and miscues. They were Damien Wilkins throwing the ball out of bounds in front of the Lakers bench without any sort of pressure. They were Ramon Sessions making a lazy pass to Jordan Farmar near 1/2 court. It was brutal. I can't remember a time where effort has been an issue for either of these players, and it wasn't an issue for Ramon against the Lakers, but holy crap did Wilkins look like he was going in slow motion last night. On a night where Corey Brewer and Ryan Gomes were being locked the heck down by Ron Artest, this was a game where Wilkins needed to show up and he did not.
Wrapping this thing up, one of the big reasons why the Wolves were blown out at the free throw line, and one of the reasons why they couldn't match the Lakers overall talent level, was the awful play out on the wing. This was the starkest example we have seen in a long, long time that the Wolves lack a real wing rotation. Brewer, Gomes, and Wilkins were a combined 5-19 from the floor with 13 points, 5 FTAs, 9 reb (only 1 offensive), and 7 turnovers. That's awful. That's really awful. The team simply did not have anyone who was a threat to put the ball on the floor and score from the wing. They didn't have anyone who could run a play and get his teammate open from the wing. It was brutal. It is also a pretty hefty problem in an offense that requires competent wing play.
A few things to wrap this post up:
- Darko left the game late in the 4th with back spasms. He ended the game with his first double-double as a T-Wolf and he definitely looked like he belonged on an NBA court. Here's hoping he changes his mind about going back to Europe. The Wolves need a center like the guy and he's only 24.
- Kevin Love received his first significant playing time in quite a while and he responded with a 19 point/11 rebound effort on 8-13 shooting. He had some trouble guarding Lamar Odom but he responded to the challenge of guarding a mismatch and was productive. Here's hoping he gets some consistent 30+ minute chances from here on out.
- Al Jefferson is in a rough stretch of ball right now. Outside from a single 30+ point performance, he has been largely ineffective on both ends of the court for long stretches of time. Last night the Lakers were perfectly content with pushing him to the middle of the lane and letting him take long push shots or mid-range jumpers.
- For the first time in a while, Jonny Flynn blew the doors off of Ramon Sessions. Some of it (as was the case with Kevin Love) too little, too late, but it was still nice to see a somewhat nice performance overall.
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Yeah, the "Jefferson Thing" . . .
I know he’s recovering and everything, but has he injured his shoulders, as well? Because he seems to have trouble even lifting his arms to defend in the paint, much less shuffling over to actually prevent the opponent from getting position or driving to the hoop.
I know the Lakers make the Wolves look like Mini Men, and Love’s minutes have been cut back for reasons unknown, but I can’t figure out the team’s use of Jefferson at this stage of this season:
1. If he’s still recovering, wouldn’t resting him make him healthier for next year (or a trade) and help the team’s lottery position?
2. If he’s recovering, what’s the point of taking a chance of getting injured again?
3. If he’s healthy, and deemed effective by the team, aren’t they hurting their lottery position?
4. If he’s healthy and less effective, aren’t other teams going to have an unfortunate recent body of work from which to judge his value in trade?
Maybe they’re afraid to rest him too much in that it might bring accusations of tanking, or worry other teams about his health if he only gets 15-20 minutes per night.
Watch the NBA highlights reel
There are maybe four Laker alley-oop plays in there, all of them featuring the opposing big floating in for a nice dunk. About halfway through the reel we get one from Al J., and he doesn’t even leave the floor. No legs at all. They’re stuffed into sheets of black support. The guy can’t jump right now.
His defense was bad before that, but dude just can’t get up.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Yeah
what I’ve noticed is that Jefferson plays defense almost exclusively with his hands. If he can’t strip the ball on the way up, forget about it. Someone will occasionally try to go right at him and he has a long enough reach to get an occasional block, but for the most part he’s an easy target for opposing big men.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 20, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with everything
but I think the lottery position is pretty much locked at #2 no matter how hard they try to win or lose.
Hey PD
You were debating someone a few days ago about how much money the league is losing this season. I just read something where the union is disputing the amount, largely because interest and depreciation are being included in the totals (valid per GAAP, but questionable in collective bargaining). The union is also saying per game revenue is going to be down about 7% this season, rather than the 17% the league used as an estimate. The losses are still huge, but they may end up closer to $200 million when the union presents their side. I think the owners can make a case for including interest in the losses, but depreciation isn’t going to fly with the players.
Mainly just letting you know as an FYI, maybe a season ending lockout can be avoided, and the future cap may not fall as much as everyone is estimating.
"You were debating someone a few days ago about how much money the league is losing this season"
It was my five year old daughter.
How did you know?
Hey!
I know she looks like me, but it wasn’t your daughter…
by Eric in Madison on Mar 20, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If players
are technically assets of a team… then can we depreciate the players as they get older?
Believe it or not
I read some stuff about ten years ago that teams are allowed to depreciate players, or at least the contracts in effect when the team is bought. I have a background in this area, so I know what I read, but I’ve never seen backup proof that this is true.
It seemed odd to me, but if the IRS allows it, it would definitely help explain why team values keep increasing.
Thanks for the info . . .
. . . but I’m not sure you can take as gospel what either side says publicly during a labor dispute.
That said, and as you pointed out in your earlier post, there are some seriously-hurting teams right now, several for sale, and I don’t see a whole lot of buyers stepping in to outbid each other. Yes, the owners have themselves to blame for agreeing to long-term eight-figure contracts for the Larry Hugheses of the world, but my eyes tell me that they are collectively losing a lot of money, and in isolated cases getting hammered at a time when whatever it was that provided the money to buy the team in the first place probably isn’t the cash cow it once was.
Ironic, of course, is that the looming lockout will save many of these owners money, so it gives them an extra incentive to talk tough. However, one of the biggest trump cards held by the league (contraction), is probably never going to happen, since David Stern will have to be dead for decades before the league will admit that “Colonizing Mars so that we can put an expansion team there” isn’t the most practical of ideas.
If the expected losses are narrowing, I hope
what it leads to is the players agreeing to shorter contracts and a two-tiered luxury tax system. It would seem to be a pretty easy solution, won’t make every team profitable, but some just don’t deserve to make a profit.
Let me begin by saying didn't see most of the game.... watch a little in the first half....so help me understand:
This is the quote by S&P:
“Big Al has put up some doozies of defensive efforts here in the past few games. Last night’s performance was right up there with last week’s effort against the Dallas Mavs. It’s one thing for a guy like Love or Jefferson to be taken out on the perimeter by a guy who can put the ball on the floor like Odom, or, from another recent mismatch, Carmelo Anthony. We all know that neither of these guys is going to be able to stay up with a combo forward with any sort of athleticism. It’s quite another for one of them to be abused by a guy they should be expected to guard were the team to have a normally sized lineup. When Al gets lit up by Nene or Gasol, that’s more frustrating (and depressing) than watching Love play the matador to Odom or Melo. "
This I look at the box score >> Gasol 17 pts on 7 of 13 shooting.
Gasol AVERAGES 17 pts and shooting about 50%. So he got the numbers he gets againts everyone in the NBA.
Maybe its just me, or maybe its because I didn’t watch the game, but I don’t consider 17 pts on 50% shooting by Gasol, to be “lit up”. Lit it is 35 plus points on 70% shooting.
Laker front line — Gasol, Bynum and Odom had 46 pts, the wolves line of Jefferson, Love and Milicic had 49 pts. The wolves didn’t lose this game because of their front line, again based on the box score….
Tell me where I’m wrong.
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 20, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
Not where you're wrong, but where you should look:
Try looking at the popcorn machine gameflows for games you didn’t watch.
Look at Pau when he’s seeming to be on Jefferson in those flows. Al left halfway through the first when the Lakers were already up 9; Gasol was 3-4 with 2 boards, an assist, a steal, and a block in that quarter.
You really wouldn’t need to ask if you’d watched the Denver game. Did you see that one? I’m as big a stats and box score guy as anyone, but attending that game was ugly, and the stink was evident to the eye. I wanted Al off the floor to stop the humiliation. The Nuggets rubbed his nose in it. After that one I have to assume it’s partly the bum knees. Atrocious defense.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Did watch parts of the Denver game....but didn't think we lost that game because of interior play either....
Nene scored 17 and had 9 rebounds. Jefferson scored 17 and had 10 rebounds in fewer minutes. If I remember correctly, Jefferson had 2 “reaching” fouls in quick succession, both of which were questionable and one of which was a bad call.
But even with his foul trouble and playing fewer minutes than Nene, Jefferson matched Nene’s production.
We didn’t lose that game because of Jefferson. We lost because our perimeter players were 23 of 62.
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 20, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Give it up
most of these guys are Jefferson Haters, and while I agree he has his flaws, the like of quality wings is what hurts this team most, I still can’t understand why Kahn didn’t make a move for Kevin Martin.
I'm not holding my breath
We’ve had shitty wings forever, Unless we’re in position to draft Turner, I don’t see it changing as Taylor refuses to pull out the check book, we didn’t even make a move for Kevin Martin because Kahn thinks his contract is bad. yeah 10 mil is too much for someone who would instantly become the best player on the team. Getting real sick of watching solid PF play wasted by crappy wings.
Hey now, we've had a few good wings, like
um … Wally for a year or two. Of course he couldn’t defend or dribble. Wait, we have the crumbling remnants of Spree for a while. Um …. Doug West wasn’t awful on D. OK I’ve got nothing.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Mar 21, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
A good Wing makes us much better
The only time this team didn’t suck post KG is when we had a red hot Foye and a healthy Al, with McHale coaching, Foye played over his head and showed that a go to guy at the wing could make this a potent team.
You really don't know what you're talking about with me.
I defended Jefferson early in the year both for making more defensive effort, and in more detail over his passing. (If you look at Al’s assist %, it’s increased every year he’s been around, including this one.) Recently I’ve added the caveat that Jefferson is obviously struggling with his legs. They’re both sheathed in heavy black supports that are new as of his recent play, and he obviously can’t get off the ground again. I also, pretty doggedly, stuck up for Al over the DUI thing when everyone and her brother was piling on, comparing him to the young Zach Randolph, and saying he had to be dealt ASAP. I’ve also for a long time wanted the nickname “Humble Rumble” (attitude and voice) in place of the dumb “Big Al.”
There’s not really any way around it, though: Jefferson right now is looking worse, defensively, than any Wolves big I have ever ever seen. He’s looking Troy Hudson bad on defense, only in a big. When the other team is Denver and has Billups and Carmelo Anthony, the latter of whom we have nobody to counter defensively, and the Nuggets go to Nene down low as their first option, and you collapse badly against that? Ugh. He’s been just awful lately.
(We all knew before the year that the roster had nothing close to starting NBA talent at the wing. I don’t see anyone disputing that. Known it since the Washington trade at least. Kahn regularly acknowledges it himself.)
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
It's the way in which the team has to play..
….with their interior defense that is the problem. It’s Love having to play 10 feet off of Odom off the dribble. It’s Big Al refusing to rotate off of Gasol when the wing players get into the lane. It’s the complete lack of Jefferson and Love being able to get back in transition. These two guys simply can’t hold their own in most match ups and it’s painful to watch.
I forgot to make mention of it up top, but the Wolves went on their big run when Bynum went down.
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But yeah..
…the wing play on this team is every bit as atrocious (even more) than the front court. They don’t have a functional wing rotation. At all.
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Just because I haven't brought it up in a while...
this goes back to the Mayo Trade. Rather than add a quality shooting guard with good defensive ability, we added a power forward whose physical shortcomings are magnified when paired with Al Jefferson.
Then again, Mike Miller helped us draft Ricky Rubio. Maybe the roster imbalance issues will be sorted out by the time he crosses the pond.
Andy you forget
these guys don’t have positions. They are basketball players…
I still think Love is more valuable to this team in the long run (if they keep him). Mayo would help more now.
In other words, it’s easier to replace Mayo’s production than it is to replace Love’s production. Love is a scarce resource, players like Mayo grow on trees…
and yet…Twolves can’t seem to find one. So maybe I’m wrong.
There is no original sin
The extreme roster imbalance came with the Washington deal. You hand away both of your starting wings and draft a player who’s currently not around, it does affect depth at the wing somewhat….
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Would you be opposed to Evan Turner and Stanley Robinson being the wolves 1st 2 picks?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
(This is a general question to Hoopus. Not just a question directed solely to SnP.)
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Not a huge fan of Robinson
but I know a couple people around here have expressed their interest. For our second pick I would prefer Henry, Anderson, Monroe, or Whiteside. Obviously 1 or all of these guys might be gone then, but there are still a few people I would rather have at this point.
Let me ask this
Do you think the Wolves should pick BPA?
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without a doubt
if that’s wall, it’s wall. if it’s cousins, it’s cousins. same for turner.
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Back at ya
what do you think of Stanley Robinson and what do you think the Kings should do at 8 (for now) and what would you do if you had a pick between 14-18?
If Wes Johnson is there at #8...
…then the Kings should take Wes Johnson. He’s got a lot of faults, but as a catch-and-shoot, high percentage small forward, there’s no better compliment in the draft for Evans.
Our transition defense is the worst in the NBA or in that caliber... but thats NOT DUE our interior defenders.
When opponents are running a break, our big men are usually UNDER OUR HOOP.
Our perimeter defenders are supposed to stop the advance of the ball, and give time for our bigs to get back into a play. For the first 3/4 of the season I watched most minutes of most games. I can count how many times I saw our wings stop the advance of the ball on my fingers and toes and thats being generous. Its probably only my fingers.
Our perimeter defenders are clueless in the break. They don’t know how to try to cut angles, “fake” the offensive player or any of the things good defenders do on perimeter defense.
Our transition defense problems are mostly laid at the feet of our perimeter players.
I’d like to see our bigs playing with some competent wings, not great merely competent.
Experience will help this group develop, but more talent is also desperately needed.
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 20, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you should check
your use of perimeter and transition defense/defenders.
Love and Jefferson can't play together
I think that question going into the season that has been answered (unfortunately I suppose).
Wings, Wings, Wings
Like I said at the end of the other thread, without Ellington’s reasonable (but by no means amazing) shooting performance, the Wolves’ wings shot something like .280 on the night.
This is a story we knew in the preseason. With modest wing production, the Wolves have a shot. They don’t have enough talent there to win in this league.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
Quickly...
I watched the game last night, and when it comes to free throws, there were a few pretty bad no calls that would have sent the wolves to the line.
I really think the Wolves ought to rotate Brewer back to the 3, and give Ellington a start.
For sure
even the announcers had to admit that Big Al got ripped off on a play. That’s saying something. They also mentioned a time or two how struggling teams tend not to get the calls while better teams do by default (I’m paraphrasing, don’t remember what they said exactly). Brewer (as he usually does) got ripped off on a couple wild drives where contact was made by the defenders not having any idea how to defend such a crazy b@$+@rd.
Just swap Ellington in at the two, no scooting over necessary or desirable.
Such evidence as does exist, including both defensive stats and the way Rambis (and McHale and Wittman before him for that matter) plays Brewer, indicates that Corey is nowhere near a reliable defender against most threes. Gomes’s defensive performance there is better on almost any measure, again including the way Rambis assigns defensive marks.
You start Ellington for balanced play and to learn as a rookie, and you bring Corey from the bench to shake things up in his quixotic way when that’s wanted.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
When you cite the free throw rates
don’t forget that Hollins gave up 2 (possibly 4?) to Kobe because of Kobe’s [should-be-illegal] kick out when he shoots and also because Hollins is dumb and landed under him after playing good defense on the shot. Kobe also almost gave Ellington’s future kids a scare with that damn kick. Hollins also gave up another 2 free throws while he was in that was away from the ball. It was an impressive minute stint. That whole first half was bad with fouls though, I think Rambis must have said something at half time because they did much better in the second.
Jefferson also managed a foul every 6 minutes (though it was actually just 3 fouls in his last 5 minutes). I don’t know how with the defense that he plays… On the other end of the spectrum, Darko only had 2 fouls in roughly the same amount of time. I don’t know how with the defense he plays… Yay for Darko.
So overall we gave up four free fouls in the first quarter, six in the second (four from Hollins’ 1 minute, I believe Kobe took of those six), none in the third, and up to six in the fourth (though I think one or two or four of those were possibly on shot attempts, not sure how to tell the difference). Anywho, just wanted to point out that a lot of their “aggressiveness” was actually just our stupid fouls. A few less stupid turnovers from the two you mentioned and Brewer and Flynn and a few less stupid fouls (mostly from Hollins, but also from a couple other sources) and we are in this game at the end.
Big Al....
Didn’t get any calls last night, even “Stu” Lantz made a comment about Al not getting calls, and outside of 2 games including this one I would say Al has been effective on the offensive side of the court, his rotational D is bad but he did have a nice block on Bynum earlier but Love was definetly the star of the game. IMO Jefferson AND Love should start, outside of the 4 game win streak when Love didn’t start, the team has been worse.
I don't know what's up with Al and fouls/free throws,
but in the month of February he completed a whopping 12 free throws over 345 minutes in 12 games. His pace has picked up a little recently, but this season he has only been to the line about once every 9 minutes of playing time (for comparison, the less-offensively-talented Kevin Love gets to the line once every six minutes of playing time).
Yeah Love .....
Has gotten to the line more, part of it is that Love can get the ball under the rim without drawing the double team, another thing is Al with his bad knees is not being physical enough down there, and as we saw last night, the refs don’t respect losing teams and won’t give us calls that better teams would get.
I just witnessed the most intelligent play I think I have ever seen
Armon Bassett from Ohio just pulled up of the dribble for a jumpshot. His defender got there too soon and he would have gotten blocked, but instead he just threw the ball off of the defender’s side and picked up his dribble again! I enjoyed the reaction and the idea behind it. Hilarious.
Good wrap SNP
Summed up the problems nicely. Simple for me, if the Wolves two biggest moves this summer involve signing Darko and drafting Turner, I will be thrilled. If neither of these get done, I fear we will be staring down another 25 win season next year.
Heck, 25 wins would be a massive leap forward for these guys.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 20, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought that as well
but couldn’t write it because the idea is so da$# depressing. Glad someone else noticed.
Wow Kansas
Wow.
Henry played well but might have cost them the game when he stole a bad pass and instead of passing inside to the 2 on 1 he brought it in, drew a foul and missed the FT.
The team was better when Aldrich was sitting (fell behind again when he came back in)
Collins looked Flynn-esque. Absolutely terrible pounding the ball into nowhere. Turned it over a lot under pressure. Didn’t make any passes to remember. Missed a few big shots.
I've watched Collins a number of times this season
and came away with a similar impression – he’s a poor man’s Jonny Flynn. The fact he leads that team in field goal attempts with the likes of Henry, Aldrich, and the Morris twins there is shameful.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 20, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
the real shock
was seeding Northern Iowa 9.
That was an awful selection committee this year.
Looks Like Love Wants to Deal w. His Maturity Issues
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/min/report
A good thing. I’m hopeful.
"It's not too far; it just seems like it is."
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