Our open thread for TWolvesBlog (not about the Wolves)
by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 28, 2010 11:49 AM CDT
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PrintHere you go, have at it. Please feel free to air any greivance, conspiracy theory, whatever in this thread. Consider it Festivus in March. All I ask is that you keep it here or take it over to your own site. Pretty please.
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Growing my own "Darko-stache" since last Monday.
by biggity2bit on Mar 28, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
In a relatively free market economy
and a basically capitalist society, when one business recognizes an inability to compete with another, the people in charge of the lesser entity try to find away to improve their product or service so that customers will be drawn to it, instead of (or in addition to) using the competitor’s product. It’s how innovation and improvement happens, and it’s such an intractable component of human nature that those responsible will move heaven and earth in an attempt to improve what they have to offer. The end user almost always is a prime beneficiary of such competition.
That’s the first, obvious, and most beneficial step of competition. However, when due to a lack of skills and ability the also-rans see no way to compete, differentiate, improve, or innovate, their only option is to attempt to bring down those above them through malicious attacks. It doesn’t work, as the end users understand that they receive no benefit from the actions of the also-rans.
Soon, those in charge of the lesser entity give up and get out. Which is sad for them, but not nearly as pathetic as continuing the attacks that benefit of no one.
by PoorDick on Mar 28, 2010 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Wow
perhaps the most well written, reasoned, and argued post I’ve ever seen from you, PD ;). I didn’t know you had it in you!
Growing my own "Darko-stache" since last Monday.
Now if only your wife
could give you similar compliments in other areas of your life…
But then we’d run into the issue of you needing a new Canis Hoopus pseudonym…
...
The lengths you people will go o to defend snp never ceases to amaze…
by College Wolf on Mar 28, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It took me awhile too...
but now I am no longer amazed.
Let's use this as a starting point
You guys are obviously upset over something here at the site but it’s so overgeneralized at this time I (and probably many others) have no clue what you are talking about. It’s anger, anger, anger, why do you defend Love, stupid minions, anger, anger, say no to censorship, some more anger and cut. Is it because Sonia is posting at the site? Just how do you think Wyn and I were involved in that? Did you flame out on 3SOB when they went to True Hoop? How many times do you think I’ve actually talked to Sonia? I’ve talked to you more in person.
Let’s have it out. This is your thread to make your case. Simply saying that Anus Poopus gives sloppy blowjobs to the team while brainwashing its sheeple doesn’t do a whole lot for anyone who is already not a member of your forum taking you seriously.
It doesn’t do us any good to have you and your site go up in flames. None. What do you want from us at this point? If you don’t like the site, why do you keep coming here and complaining when you have a site of your own which is supposedly being injected with new ideas and enthusiasm?
Wyn and I very much value TWolvesBlog. We don’t go over to the forums not because we think you’re vulgar, over-the-top, hillbillies (or whatever WallyW0rld said in his last comment). It’s just not our thing. We’re not good at the forum bit so we don’t go there (to any really). We don’t enjoy the forum thing. Why do you come here if you don’t enjoy it? Do you want to get a rise out of one of us? It’s not going to happen. Please do not equate the courtesy of giving a long response of a question asked to getting a rise. Why come if you don’t like it?
Whatever the case, Wyn and I will continue to read and link to the main page of your site. We hope to see many new features and good writing on the site in the near future. It’s fantastic that you don’t want to build relationships with the club. We do. We want to write stories about the club that require some access. Here’s the first 5 that are on our list:
1- How does the club utilize advanced stats?
2- How does the team plan on making itself more attractive for potential free agents?
3- How does the team plan on making renovations to the Target Center?
4- How do scouts go about their business?
5- What sorts of things do coaches recommend for fans who want to have a greater appreciation of the game?
We have very little interest in scoops, off-the-record remarks, or getting in good with anyone in the front office. We want to provide our readers with a greater perspective on issues that they bring up or that we write about on a frequent basis. We don’t pull any punches with the team and we have never asked for any Hoopus-specific favors. At every step of the way, it’s been “can we do this for the Wolves blogosphere?” A rising tide lifts all boats, even ones we’re not particularly good at working with at the moment.
Anywho, I hope this gives people some idea of where we’re coming from on some of this. This is the only thread where I’ll mention some of our sausage making since it is kind of implied in the subject I think we’re talking about.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
I'll tell ya why I keep coming back here
and I imagine the reasons are similar for many others who frequent this blog. It has nothing to do with a SNP love fest or whatever some want to say. SNP maybe accounts for 5% of what I see here, the rest is other interesting folks, some I agree with often, some rarely, and some half the time. Regardless, most bring something interesting to the table and I don’t feel like I’m wasting my time. That leads to my major reason for coming here:
They try not to waste my time. When I come to this site, there is new content daily on the main page, either from the editors a someone with a Fanpost (check out TWB or HTW today, nothing new today, one article yesterday between the two, sorry guys but you wasted my time going there today and that bothers me). Instead of worrying about what is happening here, make something happen today over there, you have things to say, do it. Your edgy style may not appeal to a lot of people here, but it will draw people, that said, doing it here and adding nothing to your site today does nothing for you.
This site is also efficient. The main page is clean and easy to use, whether it is the main posts in the center, or the Fanposts. I can scan the side and know quickly if there is anything I want to read, and don’t have to go thru several different links to get to nothing (I hate wasting my time in that manner). I can also click on my icon and know immediately if anything I’ve posted has had a reply. Again, quick and efficient. Frankly, the winners in the new media age are going to be the people who figure out how to get info out quickly and efficiently. I can’t wait until newspapers figure this out, but they are still writing articles for 1985 broad sheets. Give me a headline with the necessary info, then if I want more I’ll click for more. I feel like this site comes very close to that theory. I don’t mind reading a long post from a thoughtful poster, as long as I can tell quickly if the subject interests me, again this site accomplished that mission.
I got sucked in to the forums eventually...
After just going there for the news updates because I followed Sonia’s old blog. I just don’t have enough time to spend defending little details that I left out or things I supposedly implied but didn’t actually say. Life’s too short to get into pissing contests about a hobby.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 29, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But...
what if your hobby is competing in pissing contests?
Well, then don’t get into pissing contests about pissing contests.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 30, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
That's only for the highest level
of competitors.
I'm a big fan of Hoopus myself (I'm not yay or nay on Twolves Blog simply becuz forums aren't my thing either)
But that’s as clear a mission statement about how you wish to cover a team as any I’ve seen from any blogger (and I’ve seen some very clear mission statements to that end).
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This post is much more entertaining
When you imagine Ben Franklin is the person saying it.
Check out my NBA Draft blog:
http://casperkid23.blogspot.com/
There is innovation, which for starters doesnt involve blatant slobbering on the johnsons of the Wolves FO. The rest is merely communication of fact. Did u not expect us to say anything?
by WallyW0rld on Mar 28, 2010 1:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
???
I don’t understand. Could you rephrase this?
Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)
by frankenhoops on Mar 31, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really referring to the commenters on this one, but here goes. I will say from experience the Wolves org tries to influence front page content on these websites far more than most people think. To SnPs point, admittedly, sometimes access and relationships help, especially considering the Chris Wright interview (which was a solid read; props).
I guess TwB has tried, and succeeded with, the relationship building in the past and our content became a little dry. I was pretty much the only person writing actual commentary other than CW and I only made a post every several weeks due to lack of “politically correct” subject matter and a hint of personal laziness and apathy. Plus game recaps are just, well, dull. That’s not to say we are going to adopt an F-the Wolves stance, we are all cheering for the same team after all. But if Kahn pulls another boneheaded move like trading 2 rotation players and Madsen for what was ultimately Mark Blount’s cadaver, we aren’t going to hold back that opinion for fear of front office reprimand or lack of access. We especially aren’t going to justify it by saying “Telfair and Smith weren’t part of the plan anyways” or some other set of asinine comments I read after that move was made, here and on my own site. If Kahn swings more deals of that nature, you bet we are going to photo shop a picture of him, post it, and roast him. It’s fun, games and entertainment, not tax returns.
“Access” is overrated (perhaps the Wright interview is an exception, I admit) and truthfully, not that difficult to obtain if you know where to look.
Thank you for your clarification
This is the kind of discussion that I can get behind. Sure, make fun of the screwy McHale kid as he screws up more. I am in the camp of give the Kahn kid a chance to prove himself before crucifying him just because he sits in the same seat as the last screwy kid.
Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)
by frankenhoops on Mar 31, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
There are just as many people here questioning Rambis and Kahn’s skills and moves as there are those supporting them. In fact, I’d say more of them. So this whole FO-blowing charge makes no sense to me.
Makes me think of another Kentucky player instead of Wall
That’s basically the strategy that other teams have for DeMarcus Cousins. If you can’t beat him, piss him off until he loses it.
My eyes just shriveled up and fell out of their sockets trying to read that.
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Mar 28, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we could put up a power point..
…about the economics of free.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
Wow
I’ve read two of your posts today and totally agree with each. One of us must have forgotten our meds this morning?
Mine?
I can’t tell if you are being facetious or not.
by College Wolf on Mar 28, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I'll make this
part of my economic theory doctorate. Of course, I still have to get my bachelors and masters, but thats a good start to my future. lol
Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)
by frankenhoops on Mar 31, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Haven’t had the time to post a lot but well … always liked the way this site’s been managed. Making usefull contributions gets you appreciation, making trouble gets you ignored.
Since this place is still far and beyond the best place to get insightfull T-wolves stuff .. especially since Britt left for SI .. well there you have the reason why the other posters defend the people putting their heart and soul in this thing :)
Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009
The thing is, we don't have to "defend" them
The same principle you mention works in reverse:
Making useful contributions gets you appreciation, making trouble gets you ignored.
I’m not conscious of fighting on behalf of this blog or its authors; I just respond to posts that hold some interest for me. Whatever siege of miffed TWB posters is occurring, it’s largely lost on me. The striking thing about College Wolf’s steady drumbeat of “Love is your favorite son” posts is that they’re so repetitive. He reads like someone who’s tired of his own argument.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
+1
Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)
by frankenhoops on Mar 31, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
so basicly .. keep the discussion about the t-wolves not the ppl writing the things about the twolves
Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009
I don't care about anyone's pissing contest...
I stumbled on this site (and other T-Wolves blogs) at the end of the 2008-09 season. I just liked this one best. Since I don’t have time to read every blog out there, I only look at this one regulary. If all you have time to do is talk about the people posting, please leave-I’m only interested in the Wolves. If you MUST talk about other posters on this site, please start a post for that everyday or as often you need so I can skip it.
this will hopefully...
…be the last post we’ll have that has to deal with something like this.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
Crabathon?
It’s been awhile since someone has invited me to vent about a freely provided service to note any grievances I might have with the direction and content of the thing.
So here goes…………….
I got nothin!
Maybe
something from this will keep you thowed:
Mayn i wuz in Georgia lass week mayn an I tell yall, i wuz too gone like de whole dayum time mayn I promise we wuz sippin way too much mayn I een had ta go on detox fo a minute mayn an if u know MAYNHOLUP u kno I stay thowed mayn.
And apparently if you axe real nize, you can follow Mayn’s Twitter feed . . .
Thanks, PD, for the 411
Somehow I feel that “tweet” is simply not the correct verb for how Mayn articulates things on a micro-blogging social networking service.
"Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." Steven Wright
Wuss good yall
mayn u alreddy kno whu tit iz yung MAYNHOL wuss poppin CH?!
mayn whu yall plexin bout mayn!!?! I thank I kno:
When de Vikesx wuz playin da fuckface Bears on MNF mayn de firss half wuz like terrible mayn f’real! I wuz watchin wit momz an mah sis mayn an i promise u by de end uv de hirss half we weuz starigh yellin at each other an shit all upset mayn!
Mayn den I wuz liek maynnn hol up we gots ta chill m ayn we juss mad cuz de Vikes playin like shit righnow but mayn den dey started ballin mayn an we wuz like chillin mayn maybe it had ta do wit de fact that i mad aywun a fat cocktail ua lreddy kno but mayn it wuz wonderful!
I thank yall fightin now cuz de Wolves iz so bad mayn. Iss aight myan it hurts me oo but les not start pointin da finger at each other mayn! Less get thowed an watch Evan Turner highlights while bumpin dat Ro maynnnn!
Fo de record mayn i got nuttin but luv fo both SnP and CollegeWolf. SnP i agree wit hiz shit mayn i read dis site ayday an he be up on de wolves aldoe i cant say dat i like Korean food az much az juicy lucys juss gon throw dat out der nexx time we lose by 25.
CW iz thowed too mayn why yall beefin? Yall need sum uv dis kill i got mayn i promise der wont be nay plex mayn juss good kill mayn an sum Surly too mayn iss all we need anb maybe, juss maybe, de Wolves gon catch a W?!?! LESS TRY IT OUT AYWUN GET THOWED ON WEDNESDAY AN DE WOLVES WILLLLLLL WIN MAYN ISS POSITiVE ENERGY WE NEED RIGH NOW.
Yung John Locke signin out
MAYN HOL UP!
by MAYNHOLUP on Mar 29, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Truer words were never written.
And part of the tension may stem from your absence from this site. Your return is a welcome and much-needed event, which will no doubt not only bring harmony back, but guarantee better play from the Wolves.
Thank you!
I guarantee if you hooked me up with some of your kill...
none of this would have ever happened mayyyyyyyyn.
by College Wolf on Mar 29, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Motion to nominate Mayn as Poet Laureate of CH
(BTW, the Tweet remark was intended as a compliment; your diction deserves its own verb, Mayn).
"Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." Steven Wright
Swordfight
Wow. I had no idea there was this behind the scenes drama. Love it.
Twolvesblog used to be relevant. It’s not anymore. If I want to just aggregate what other people are writing about the Wolves, I’ll use RSS. Do some real analysis and opinion and maybe you’ll get readers back.
by Mac of the MIAC on Mar 29, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions
Funny...
We’ve been nothing about analysis and opinion since SG left us to come here.
Fail.
by College Wolf on Mar 29, 2010 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Fail?
Except that no one goes to your site anymore.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/twolvesblog.com#trafficstats
You are about as relevant as a guy painting Nick Punto jersey’s on otters.
by Mac of the MIAC on Mar 29, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Alexa????
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Ever heard of Quantcast, Google Analytics… or hell, even Site meter?
Epic Fail.
by College Wolf on Mar 29, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant, "Nothing BUT analysis and opinion since SG left us to come here."
Still a fail by you though.
When you use the word "fail" so much, you remind me of Michael Scott
“TMI? Too much information. It’s just easier to say ‘TMI’. I used to say ’don’t go there.’ But that’s lame.”
Michael Scott is awesome!
I feel honored. Or shouldn’t I?
by College Wolf on Mar 30, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Not Really
Let’s see, you have little to no traffic to your site, so you come over to the victor’s site, troll the comments, divert topics, and pretty much act like a 13 year old. It’s like the owner of a failed Radio Shack franchise picked up shop, and started harrassing customers outside of a Best Buy.
I know, I know, your response is going to be FAIL… I do not own a Radio Shack. Thumbs up.
by Mac of the MIAC on Mar 30, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
How much traffic do you think we have?
And why is it “little to none?” Do you know what you are even talking about?
by College Wolf on Mar 30, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Hi everyone.
My laptop broke a few weeks back, which, combined with the Timberwolves’ longest-in-team-history losing streak, has made it very difficult to follow this site and the Wolves in general. I hate to be that guy, but I’m too curious not to ask: Can someone give me a quick run down of what all this is about? Why are people arguing? Will there be fisticuffs at Hoopus Night?
I'm just an outsider, but from what I can gather...
It appears that Wyn slept with College Wolf, and for some reason this angered both “D-Rok” and “Stop-n-Pop”. PoorDick, Robert Swift, and this Wax Sculpture of Martin Van Buren were also prominently involved…but I’m a little hazy on the exact details.
That’s all I know for now, I’ll give you some more information after my source and I talk over some “kill”.
by Blakeley on Mar 29, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it had something to do with a pro golfer and a tattoed girl dressed like a Nazi...
But I don’t pay a lot of attention.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 29, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait...
Tiger Woods starred in the porno version of Inglourious Basterds?
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Mar 29, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
No...
…he had his own motorbike repair show on the History Channel. Interestingly enough, Tiger is a huge white supremacist and likes to adorn his bikes with iron crosses and date biker chicks with “WP” tattooed on her legs. Who knew?
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 30, 2010 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Martin Van Ruin? Long live the Free Soil Party!
Now that is a wax sculpture. #8 is an interesting figure. Here’s some trivia:
“Van Buren’s unsuccessful reelection campaign in 1840 is regarded by etymologists as instrumental in the popularization of the word “OK.” In the context of the campaign, the initialism was used as a nickname for Van Buren and stood for “Old Kinderhook,” which was a reference to Van Buren’s birthplace."
"Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." Steven Wright
Wow
That is some fantastic trivia. Who would have thought Sonia moving to Canis Hoopus would lead to us learning more about Martin Van Buren????
We're all about...
…education here at Hoopus.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
Just noticed
BVP started a FanPost to ask the same question I asked here. I’ll read that and probably have most of my questions answered. However, there is still one thing I need from you helpful people. Can someone please send me a link to the comments section that finally resulted in roundhouse’s banning? I’m not normally one to hold grudges, but I certainly won’t be sad to see this board rid of him and his constant antagonism.
Pretty sure all most all his comments were deleted...
despite not doing anything wrong.
by College Wolf on Mar 29, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Now it all makes sense, JD.
Didn’t you agree to be the Supreme Arbiter of CH? Your absence could explain the recent contentious atmosphere and aberrant puerile behavior exhibited by some. That and the strange alignment of the planets.
"Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." Steven Wright
Sorry to have abandoned my post.
Truth be told, I had been arguing a lot with roundhouse before I left, which I wasn’t really enjoying. Once I could no longer bear the brunt of his relentless attacks, it appears he was unleashed on everyone else with dire results. Now I’m back to pick through the rubble.
No need to apologize, JD. Welcome back.
Actually, Indigent Richard put it quite well somewhere else in this long and winding thread. Many of us, I think, are drawn to this site because of the general civility of most posters (Habermas would be impressed by this recreational public sphere I suspect). Add to that intelligent posts on hoops and other matters articulated in a linguistic register rarely seen in such electronically mediated forums, netizens who don’t take themselves too seriously for the most part, some absolutely hilarious and wicked senses of humor, and the occasional outrageous .jpg posting (cf “Angry Sid,” Whitman in shorts and loafers at practice," or wax figure of #8 Martin Van Buren), and you can see why such a sorry franchise commands so much interest on a sports blog. Might I request that the number crunchers here come up with a formula explaining how the quality of CH is inversely proportional to the Wolves actual play on the court.
"Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." Steven Wright
Well.
I certainly appear to have walked into the middle of quite an emotional time for everyone, here.
Ha, yeah
Never seen anything like this at TwinkieTown.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Apr 1, 2010 3:16 AM CDT up reply actions
question
did the lead “writer” that was “stolen” ever actually write anything? Does posting a bunch of links = writing?
by Jumping to Pass on Mar 29, 2010 10:57 PM CDT reply actions
"les goûts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas"
très bien joué
d’un ami canadien
(je suis certain que l’ami belge sera d’accord lui aussi ;)
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
Each to their own....
We’re all Timberwolves supporters. We all have our own opinions. I think it benefits not to have two quality sites at war with eachother. I regularly post on TWB, and I would say CollegeWolf/DeRok/Roundhouse/WallyWorld are great guys who are passionate about the Wolves. Sure occasionally we argue over eachothers opinions (with occasional name calling or whatever you might find detestable), but that’s where the fun is – everyone has an opinion and should be allowed to express within reason. I actually do respect your views when you used to post SnP on TWB, and it’s a shame you don’t post there anymore. I like this site, though I never post mainly because I find it hard to follow in format, but that’s just me.
We at TWB miss SG’s regular reporting, it’s hard to replace such a key component. We evolved to move on. I think it’s time we all evolve and move on. TWB and Canis Hoopus should should make peace for the sake of Timberwolves fans. SnP and Wyn, this is your quality site and I’m not here to tell you how to run it, I know Roundhouse for instance has voiced his opinions to which led to his banning. His main argument is that whatever clashes with your opinions gets censored. SnP, everyone will have different opinions, I think having an open mind and counter with your own brand of logic/analysis is the way to go rather than dimissing him totally. Everything becomes monotonously boring when we all nod our heads in agreement.
Thanks for the input. It would...
……….probably help everyone if roundhouse were actually honest about his banning. This is the second time he has received a temporary ban from the site because of name calling. Like it or not this policy is one of the two things we ask people not to do on the site: Keep it clean, don’t be mean. As I’m sure you have noticed from reading him elsewhere, roundhouse constantly pushes the boundaries on both of these requests and his banning is more about making sure our patrons have their shoes and shirts on when they enter our site and less to do with censorship and freedom of speech or some other high-and-mighty concept that is wildly not applicable to a privately run internet site. Private site + the economics of free + the intertronz = censorship cannot exist…as roundhouse is proving with his front page posts at TWolvesBlog. He’s so uncensored that he is now filling game wraps with shots at this site and personal remarks about my family. I’m not at all upset about this. The only thing I care about is that he doesn’t do stuff like that in my place (although I am amazed that someone else would think that sort of anger-fueled and over-the-top-unfocused writing would be attractive to readers). Again, I’m not so sure this sort of posting will play well in the Economy of Free and that’s exactly why I don’t want it here on this site.
Here is the message that greeted roundhouse after his temporary ban:
You are back on a temporary ban from the site. Canis Hoopus is not a completely open forum. It is a moderated community and you can complain about censorship and being treated unfairly all you want, but, to borrow from our pub analogy, you’ve had a bit too much to drink and it’s time to leave for a while. In the future, you are more than welcome to post on the site but I am tired of having you do nothing but complain and name call with other commenters on the site. I’ll say what I said on the last temp ban: Disagree, fine. Make counter arguments, fine. But cut the crap or don’t come to the site, especially now that you have a site of your own.
The same thing happened the first time roundhouse was temporarily banned. He presented what happened to him as something it was not. In some circles, that’s known as lying. I’m more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and to believe that he had his feelings hurt with the ban and is now working through however he works through being called for his rudeness. roundhouse remains the only non spam bot who has ever received a temporary ban from this site. The only one. This is his second temporary ban, something I’m sure he has perfectly communicated to the folks over at TWolvesBlog. roundhouse has never been banned because of his “opinions”. He has been asked to take a break from the site because he cannot follow basic requests on what amounts to virtual private property and his behavior at said establishment. He pissed on our bar and we cut him off and sent him home for a bit.
I don’t understand exactly how we should “make peace” with someone we’re not at war with. The only issues we’ve had on this site lately are getting a very small group of people to understand the equivalent of our “no shirt, no shoes, no service” rule. 3 readers out of thousands are having an issue with this request. That’s it. Three readers who have their own site on the same topic as ours, I might add.
Because we think highly of TWolvesBlog, we’ve opened up an open thread where they can come and say whatever they want regardless of what we normally allow on the site. Have it all out. Show us what evidence you have that we’re backstabbing plotters who are out to get the site that made us. From what I can tell, I think that’s the charge. I have no idea how they came to this conclusion and I have no idea what they are talking about. I honestly do not care because it’s not even in the same ballpark as what I think happened. My main concern is that we nip this in the bud in a single post on our site and that we hopefully nip it in the bud so it doesn’t continue to be a constant front page topic on TWolvesBlog. According to DeRok, it’s part of the TWolvesBlog 3.0 creation story and…well, again the economics of free will work that one out. People come to Wolves sites to read about the Wolves and that is the main thing we’re trying to protect here on our site.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 30, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
+ infinity + 1
One of the main things that brought me to this site and keeps me coming back has little to do with the Wolves, and more to do with how effing smart the commenters here are—not just about hoops, but about other stuff in life.
If that’s not enough, people go out of their way to remain polite, respectful, and avoid offending even those with whom they disagree vehemently—an especially remarkable occurrence since most of us have no idea with whom we’re arguing corresponding.
This combination of intellect and civility is rare in life, even more so on the internet, and especially in sports where useless passion over unprovable concepts runs high. You can’t just say, “Okay, everybody, hopefully be smart and/or funny, but failing that, please be nice.” You have to establish a culture from the top down, so everyone knows what the tone is.
So far, it seems to have worked, with little friction. For those who don’t like it, well, the great thing about the internet is that there are roughly a billion other places you can go. And if you can’t find one that’s right for you, start your own.
Si...
…unfortunately there is nothing on SB Nation that prevents people to sign up under two different accounts. We’ll leave it at that.
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Hahaha...
I’ve wondered about that, actually, with all the fuss about banning lately. If you prefer not to answer this, don’t, but you can tell when two accounts come from the same person? How?
Luckily
it probably takes longer to create a new name than it does to ban them again :)
You can probably tell pretty easily from the tone of their messages. If the reason they are coming here is to flame on people, then it’s probably not worth creating another name. If someone got banned for reacting a little too much and regretted it, chances are they would pick up their game a little bit and hold themselves accountable. Just some thoughts…
There is quite a lot of hypocrisy going on here and I don’t think even the most stubborn of individuals wouldn’t recognize that….
Was this response directed at me?
If so, what does that have to do with me and how do you want me to respond?
Agreed
And I am in no way saying it’s a one-sided thing, either. I’m not going to declare that one side is totally right or wrong in this situation, or that either side is coming out lily-white. It clearly shouldn’t be an us v. them situation, as there is waaay more gray area here than people would like to admit. I will, however, say that one side’s head contributors explain the situation in a moderator-style, clear-headed, matter-of-fact way, not as WWE-style theater. I think that’s an important distinction in how things are being handled.
I also think that the actions of others are not always an excuse for the actions of oneself. Saying that so-and-so is saying ____ and they’re not getting in trouble is besides the point. Everybody should be accountable for their own actions, even if those around them are acting like fools. Roundhouse and College Wolf, head contributors to another site, are consistently condescending and petty; roundhouse has a penchant for letting his temper get the best of him as he proceeds to attack or flame those he disagrees with. Yes, there is such thing as “free speech” in America (I had no idea this was a dispute), but this is a private site. SBnation has guidelines, and they’ve been pretty obviously violated, and repeatedly so.
These aren’t just commenters, these are people in charge of an online product. Hold yourself to a higher standard in how you conduct your arguments. You’re being just as stubborn and thickheaded as those you’re criticizing. Even if this is some sort of attention-grab for the new site (which I doubt), it’s still a likely backfire. I’d just like it if everyone admitted their shit stinks just like everybody else’s.
furthermore
the expression “free speech” is commonly misunderstood. “Free Speech” was meant to indicate the right to express your positions and beliefs in a civil and constructive manner. It did not mean that you could say whatever you damn well please. All of which is implied with the inclusion of Slander and Defamation of Character clauses (to name a few) into our laws.
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by TheEvilProfessor on Mar 31, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, im not sure anyone from TWB is coming on here saying “Its a free country” like we used to do in the 4th grade….
Yeah...
And that’s not what I’ve advocated either…?
by College Wolf on Mar 31, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
DeRok's words
It’s on your own website, right after he uses the tired old “being French is bad” retread. I’ve been to France, and he’s totally right! My homestay family hated freedom of speech, were elitist, and agreed with everything their government said. Thank God he was right, so that we can use a whole nation’s culture as a pejorative without looking foolish!
I’d just like the discourse to be more honest and less crass from both ends, and the tone starts from the top. No excuses.
Weird...
Deleted comments and banned accounts in the “Open” thread…
by College Wolf on Mar 30, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Post whatever you have to say to me
over at TWB where I am talking to roundhouse and I’ll get it there if it’s something that merits deletion.
Yeah...
But I’m not all that concerned about myself. Namely, editing Roundhouse when it was said to post stuff here.
by College Wolf on Mar 30, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
apparently...
…. the moderators aren’t fans of milli vanilli.
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"roundhouse"...
…never posted here today. He’s on a temporary ban from the site. I hear it’s caused quite a hubbub.
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You mean...
…that big open forum called twolvesblog where he posts and can defend himself on the front page until the cows come home? Again, this is all about what people want on their own private sites. If that’s what you want on your site than more power to you and I hope many people read it, but it’s not something we want here.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 30, 2010 9:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Also...
….“roundhouse” didn’t try to come back on the site.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 30, 2010 9:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Btw...
…for those of you who want to read roundhouse’s take on the matter, he is writing about it on his own site here:
http://twolvesblog.com/201003292914/minnesota-timberwolves/daily-news/derok-says.html#comments
uncensored and in his own element. Please take a few moments to read where he is coming from.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 30, 2010 9:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No, sir, I mean this thread you yourself claimed was open:
" Because we think highly of TWolvesBlog, we’ve opened up an open thread where they can come and say whatever they want regardless of what we normally allow on the site. Have it all out. Show us what evidence you have that we’re backstabbing plotters who are out to get the site that made us. From what I can tell"
Yet here you go again infuencing the entire thread by deleting reasonable comments and not allowing anybody to defend themselves.
Are you talking about...
…roundhouse or bobbyflynn? Bobbyflynn was a reader who presented himself as a long time lurker who hadn’t commented before. roundhouse has his own site, which I linked to and where people can go read his own take on the matter because he is temporarily banned from this particular web destination. Seeing that roundhouse is on a temporary break, I have been more than open in telling people exactly where he and his opinions can be found: www.twolvesblog.com
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But oneself cannot be defended here?
Instead, you let people get slandered? Him, Me, and TWB.
by College Wolf on Mar 30, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
How exactly have you been defamed?
And where exactly are you being prohibited from mounting a defense? I think you guys need to dial it back a bit on the charges of slander (or libel? I’m never sure on the intertronz) and censorship. Do you not have a site of your own? Do I not link to your site and comment threads where this is going on? Have I not answered any question you put to me about this subject? This is a good ol’ fashioned pissing match, not a piece of litigation. I’ll ask what I asked of WallyW0rld: What do you want out of this?
I’ll tell you what I want: I want to run my site how I see fit. Ideally, I’d like to run our place in a good neighborhood without spats with the business next door. Seeing that we are currently having a spat with the business next door, how can we set this straight? Can it be amicable or are we going to have to continue going back and forth pretending like a) anyone cares to read this, b) that this somehow matters, and c) that game wrap posts with comments about my wife and the mailman aren’t anything but incredibly funny attempts at showing us up? What do you want?
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I don't even know anymore
What I do know is that there are some transpariences/discrepencies/inconsistencies… whatever you want to call it here, with the way things are handled. Maybe we all just need to stay away and not come back. I don’t know. It’s just disappointing the way some members act here without any recourse, when others are treated differently.
by College Wolf on Mar 30, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course people are definitely treated differently
This isn’t an exercise in civil rights. Come on, are you telling me you treated everyone the same in high school, or that you walk into a bar and view everybody the same…even the guy who has had too much to drink and is singing bad karaoke at the top of his lungs? Here’s a beef I have with you guys: You reference rule books and guidelines that you seem to think exist everywhere. We give people a lot of rope on this site. Here is some of the rope recently afforded to roundhouse:
Dude, you guys seriously have some fucked up ways of thinking about things sometimes.
you guys are such tools i understand why you all hang out together on this site all the time
Wow you sure are one Grade A tool aren’t you
Hey jackass
Now you’re just playing dumb, which is pathetic You’re right that you never specifically said "Kevin Love is really good and should have played way more minutes" but you implied it with your comments.
Yes, he gets treated differently after that. He missed out on his chance in this open thread (although I did give a link to his open thread at your site). I have my eye on him the second he walks in the door. Rightfully so, I think.
You are looking for rules that don’t exist. “Keep it clean, don’t be mean” is fairly (and purposefully) obtuse and we don’t have a lot of problems with it. People get to feel their way around it and they always get a nice run up to the line before they cross it, as I think we have ample evidence with roundhouse.
I hope you guys don’t simply choose to go away. That’s my only advice/request. It would be presumptuous to say any more.
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Ok, well I see where you are coming from.
I don’t know which posts those comments are from, but am I right to assume those are in response to people’s comments to him, and/or ongoing attacks from the same poster(s)? I assume those comments weren’t used out of thin air to start something for no reason?
I don’t know. Maybe I have read those articles and comments in the past, but I honestly won’t pretend to know where to find them all.
by College Wolf on Mar 31, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I went through them
And no, he was unprovoked on just about all of those except that someone was disagreeing with his opinion. Or… at the very least he had usually done the provoking in an earlier comment and it was just coming full circle on him again.
I won't pretend either..
…nor will I pretend that I read everything on this site. There’s no possibly way Wyn and I can keep up with it anymore. We can’t have 100% rules on this site. It just won’t work. It has to be a matter of community consensus and general feel and that’s going to rub some people the wrong way. We’re simply not going to see some stuff. There’s too much going on and our hope is that we create a community that can self-police itself. The problem here, for some, is that this creates what roundhouse calls the “in” and “out” crowd. There is definitely a kernel of truth in this. That being said, it’s not a matter of people thinking anyone is too stupid or not smart enough to comment here, or that we have a plot to only love comments about how great Kevin Love is and how people who don’t like stats are goons. That’s weak sauce to be served at a pity party. Does this site have broad editorial slants? You betchya. Does that mean we think our “poop doesn’t smell” which I gather is a common complaint lodged by you guys? Nope.
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Intertronz magic
;)
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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 30, 2010 9:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure what you mean by TWolvesBlog 3.0.....
But what they are doing is also the Howard Stern new market plan (before he went to satellite). Basically, he went into a town, made a bunch of snarky comments about his biggest new competitors, and counted on them to get into a pissing match to provide him free publicity. It worked when they took the bait. He tried it in the Twin Cities in the late 90’s. Tom Barnard refused to bring up his name or get into the debate, Stern did get free publicity from the guy with 20% market share, and within a couple years Stern was gone.
This is why I mentioned a few days ago that if I were you guys I would have already banned these guys, because I see what they are trying to do, and to some degree they succeeded, at least as far as the free publicity goes. Forgetting to update their site for a couple days probably defeated the cause, but…
Well the funny thing is is how every one of you claims they are “taking the high road,” or “don’t give a crap about any of this,” yet continue to monitor and follow this thread practically religiously.
Not sure this is meant for me
I actually find this quite entertaining, in a train wreck sort of way. As I just stated, if this was my site I would not have taken the high road, I would have temporarily banned the TWB guys as soon as they started using my site to rip on me and gin up attention. I don’t believe in fighting fair or helping my competition!
Just for clarification..
…the reason why we don’t take this route is because we didn’t realize there was a competition. There’s nothing to win here. All we want is for our little virtual bar to look like we want it to and if people come and enjoy themselves, then great…if not, that’s fine too.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 30, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you not want to have your questions answered?
Or would you like us to simply ignore it altogether? I am more than happy to go either route. I thought I was being courteous to answer any and all complaints you had about this site. What do you want? What will it take for this to pass? I really don’t care about this topic but I do think that since I opened up the thread that legitimate questions deserve answers. How exactly do you want us to walk that road? What could we do for you to make this right and move on?
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I'm perfectly relaxed...
…what do you want?
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awesome
by itself made this thread worth reading.
by littleboxes on Mar 31, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's asking you a legitimate question...
and the fact that you don’t answer it says a little bit about your case.
And just call things both ways. To say you haven’t influenced discussion on this “open forum” is laughable. To refer to me and others as dogs is hypocrisy to your poiicy, “analogy” or not.
My response...
….is that we have a Potter Stewart approach to people who don’t keep it clean or who are mean. It’s not some set-in-stone guideline; rather, we know it when we see it and we give people a chance or two to police themselves before giving warnings or, in the single case of roundhouse, giving a temporary ban. For example: If someone says something crazy on a single occasion, we’re more than willing to let that slide. If they come back again with something similar, we’ll put in a gentle reminder or ribbing that encourages them to cut it out. If they keep it up…well, it’s hard to tell when someone’s had too much simply by counting their drinks—you know it when you see it in their behavior.
I am sorry if I offended you with my dog bit. You are obviously not a dog and I was a bit frustrated with dealing with someone who simply would not listen to what we, the owners of this site, were kindly asking. From my perspective, I was dealing with someone who was being asked to kindly talk about subject x elsewhere and who simply would not oblige. I then used the example of a dog clicker and asked if that is how you want to be treated. Unfair, definitely. Hypocritical? Probably not. I do not think you are a dog. I do think your behavior was the equivalent of telling the proprietor of a private place of business to go f-himself when asked to leave so I’m open to suggestions as to how you would like us to handle similar situations should they unfortunately present themselves in the future.
Above all, I think the thing I most want to impress upon people here is that Wyn and I hope that this can be a self sustaining community of solid talk about the Wolves, NBA, silly pop culture references, etc. We think it is too harsh to simply lay out a be-all/end-all list of what will get warnings and/or bans. That’s counter-productive. We want people to come into this community, poke around a bit, and, if they like it, to kind of figure out on their own, and with the help of fellow community members, what does and does not fly. This approach has done pretty well so far. We have only temporarily banned a single person. This is the first thread where we have really had to talk about what we expect in terms of behavior. For the vast majority of the people who come to our site, this approach works. With a few folks, it doesn’t, and I honestly would like to learn from this situation so as we can better deal with similar situations should they arise in the future. I do care about that. I do want to make sure that people who do want to come here and who don’t fit in as readily as others (to no fault of their own…sometimes it’s just hard to do) can feel more welcome. I think that roundhouse has some very legitimate points about the “in” and “out” crowd here on this site and I would welcome his input in 2 weeks without the attacks on fellow readers and the crap.
To some people, this approach is going to appear to be irreconcilable with their perception of what is and is not fair. It’s not going to work for everybody. As for the influence bit, of course I have influenced discussion on this open forum. That’s the point of running your own site.
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You guys...
…are a bunch of drama queens. Nothing like Wolves Chat where everyone is well-spoken, calm and respectful of each other.
haha
Our open thread for Wolves Chat (not about the Wolves)… annnnnnd GO!
Ha! I doubt we'd merit such a thing...
…as I think we’re generally regarded as the class clowns of the Wolves blog-o-sphere (which, frankly, is better than the giant, whiny babies status that TWB & College Wolf seem intent on securing for themselves), but I like mixing it up more. You CH guys are too civilized. Being nice is for suckers!
Nice?!
You want to take this outside?! The weather is finally nice enough that these threats can be made again… Before the weather was just too cold to be uncivilized. Speaking of weather, it was gorgeous outside today! Too bad for the wind, if not for that it would have been a nearly perfect day. I prefer 70 and mostly sunny with a light to moderate breeze. What’s your perfect day? Wait… were we just talking about something?
Ha! Whoops!
Pottymouth saudagg got his post deleted.
Anyways, I too like warm and sunny days!
I will forever be curious
as to what was deleted!
I had copied it...
but there’s probably no point in escalating things. At least it was deleted. Progress.
by College Wolf on Mar 31, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh, I'm not really
a CH guy anyways so my being a jerk shouldn’t reflect poorly on them. My comment got rightly deleted according to their rules.
Just a friendly reminder..
…that directly swearing at someone will get your comment tossed.
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we will all watch in amazement
;)
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Yawn
High stakes battle with lots at stake. Better bring out the heavy weapons. Insults, banning, fake logins, and of course pew pew kitty.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
THEY CAME FIRST
for those who thought Al should be traded
and I didn’t speak up because I figured we should at least wait until he’s recovered from the ACL.
THEN THEY CAME for the ones who said Sessions should be starting
and I didn’t speak up because I thought his lack of an outside shot allowed defenses to sag in the middle
THEN THEY CAME for those who said Curry was an obviously better pick than Flynn
and I didn’t speak up because I felt that Curry had no experience as a true point guard, especially against top competition
THEN THEY CAME for the few who said Wayne Ellington was a late first-round steal
and I didn’t speak up because I think he could be an effective role player one day, but never a starter on a contender
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up
by PoorDick on Mar 30, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Does this qualify...
…for Goodwin’s Law? ;)
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by Stop-n-Pop on Mar 30, 2010 9:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Where are Blazers fans for all of this?
I’m curious as to whether BEdgers would quickly side with TWB’s folks because they are still bitter about LMA v. Love or if they thoroughly enjoyed the Great Debate as much as I did when I reread and feel a certain strange connection to our site.
LMA can suck it
There, now they will side with Canis.
by College Wolf on Mar 30, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but you seem to be saying that this site excludes people who don’t tow the party line. Based on my own experience, that’s false. I don’t post here much anymore (no longer in Mpls, can never see the games), but at one time I was commenting lots, and even put up the odd fanpost. This doesn’t mean that I towed any party line – on the contrary, I disagreed with much and sometimes most of what was said here. My specific disagreements were 1. I had a much higher opinion of Foye than most posters 2. I had a much lower opinion of stats than most posters (in this respect, if I understand right, my position seems closer to yours than that of CH). However, I was never excluded from anything, for the simple reason that I kept my comments civil (and when I thought I didn’t, I’d take responsibility for it).
Frankly, the disagreements don’t really matter much to me – I kept coming back in spite of them, just because of what I saw as the high level of intelligence here. Most people had interesting things to say, it didn’t matter whether or not we agreed.
I think you guys really need to rethink this idea that you’re being demonized just because you might disagree with someone.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Mar 31, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oooh Foye
SnP posted a great link the other day that I never got to comment on in a timely fashion.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aja_Eu6zk_-kdGlLNlJuQVpUWlZUQzRhMUkyTml4ZEE&hl=en
Randy Foye was the 419th best defender in the league according to this particular source. He was also the 12th worst. I don’t know if I buy this because there are quite a few prominent names on that list and I feel as if they might have gotten knocked down too much for a certain factor (Ray Allen at 415? Maybe not great, but wow). Still, it’s a very interesting list and an even more interesting concept. I have been spouting off about why I hate defensive metrics for months now and this is finally trying to fix some of those issues. Unfortunately it’s a thing that will never be as reliable as offensive measures (not all of them, of course, are good), but I really think this is a step in the right direction.
Anywho, just saw Foye mentioned and it reminded me. Another thing of interest, Brandon Roy is 409. So take that Portland fans! This was hard to keep mention of the Wolves out of here as the list was pretty interesting there as well, but as the topic line says, no Wolves :)
Your site, your rules....fair enough
SnP I think your explanations about site rules are clear enough. I also think your warnings to Roundhouse was within your rights. I’ve also support you running your “private bar” however you want. But within the subtext of this thread you have invited anyone (Roundhouse included I assume) as a free for all to quote “air any greivance, conspiracy theory, whatever in this thread”. To continue the bar analogy, you’ve invited any patron to drink as he so wishes, as much as he likes within the confines of this area only.
If this is what you originally intended this thread to be, then invite Roundhouse back to defend himself, unedited and uncut. If Roundhouse really is an obnoxious, unreasonable trouble maker, then everyone here should see the proof then agree that your actions were reasonable. I for one know not of any grievances caused by Roundhouse because they were deleted, edited or he was banned without given a chance to state his case here.
Remember, this was YOUR invitation. Make it count, let Roundhouse speak his case here.
Roundhouse...
…will be given a chance to “defend” himself on this site two weeks from his temporary ban (and his best defense is to make an attempt at playing nice). In the mean time, and as anyone can clearly see by going here, here, and here, roundhouse is very unedited and uncut, and for those patrons who want to hear him, I have told them exactly where they can find him.
This isn’t a court of law. Someone got kicked out of the bar and the people remaining inside asked why and we’re talking about it with the barkeep. Currently, the guy who was kicked out is still screaming down the block and I don’t want to deal with him right now. At what other establishment do you think it is reasonable to let someone who was kicked out right back in to engage in a discussion about why he was just kicked out? He is now standing outside yelling at anyone who will listen about how we’re unfair and terrible. People have asked where he is, I point to him. He’s here. This thread is for the people who have kept their pants on during all of this. That’s the whole point of the temporary ban. BTW: It’s not like he’s not still reading this and responding to points at his own site. Again, for those of you who want to read what he has to say about all of this, walk out the door and head on over here or here.
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Also..
…any hope of making an exception for this post were thrown out the window when roundhouse attempted to put on a mustache and get back in past the bouncer.
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And the mustache was courtesy of Uncle John's Pancake House
They used to give those away for free back in the day. Oops, dating myself here. Personally, I would have opted for the Groucho Marx mustache/nose/spectacles combo. Speaking of fine dining establishments frequented during my childhood, the Jolly Troll also comes to mind. I think they used to have a sign exhorting diners to “Enjoy the Buffet, Please Don’t Feed the Trolls.” Such advice may serve us well here today too.
"Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." Steven Wright
Uncle John's
That brings back some memories. . .
What about Shakies (sp?) Pizza? That was THE Birthday celebration for 3 years running.
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by frankenhoops on Mar 31, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Always nice to know one is not demographically alone here
Actually, there is a Shakey’s just down the street from me here in LA. Never went there for a birthday celebration but these establishments do bring back some memories.
"Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." Steven Wright
Well, it wouldn't be the weather
plus I traveled out with the original Lakers when they relocated here. OK, I’m not quite that old.
"Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." Steven Wright
I used to have greivances
but not anymore. SNP has taken a more critical view of this 14 win mess lately (this is not my opinion. It’s a fact. Kidding, it really is just my opinion) and what Kahn did in the draft.
I’m not saying we all have to agree with Simmons. But it was strange for awhile when the rest of basketball nation is hitting your team like a 90’s McGwire hitting a pinata and CH posters were getting jazzed that Corey Brewer is playing less "Calvin-Ball’ and more the game that the other 9 guys on the floor are playing. While Love is complaining of how he’s being used. While Curry is tearing it up for GS. While we seemingly gave up and stopped playing hard against Milwaukee (33 pt loss) and New York (27 point loss) in January. While (seemingly) every time an A-Jeff trade was proposed before the deadline CH posters were dead against it (because you hate to lose stat-fillers on losing teams who don’t play defense).
I love the site overall (Eric in Madison is Britt Robson. Do you know they’ve never been seen together in the same place?) And I think reality is slowly infiltrating the site. I’ll be curious to see what happens next year. Hopefully the expectations will be higher; if we’re still losing at this pace hopefully the consensus will be to “start improving now” and not “I can’t wait to maybe see that perhaps Rubio may or may not come over in 2012”
by Son of Gerald Green on Mar 31, 2010 7:22 PM CDT reply actions
Just to make sure I have this correct...
So Sonia left on her own to come to CH and was not “recruited.”
Surprisingly (or not), Jon Marthaler also “left on his own” to come to CH at the same exact time, and was also “not recruited.”
Odd non-coincidence there.
Am I missing anything or would the above be correct?
That if they were satisfied being associated with you guys they probably wouldn’t have left and that you don’t seem to consider the reasons behind why “a recruitment” (if that’s what happened) might be effective?
(snare, snare, cymbal crash)
I wouldn’t know. I’m just here to personally attack internet personalities in lieu of talking about basketball. Duh.
LMA IS GOD!!!
or not. Love is the best, the next coming of Unseld. lol
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Even if there was or wasn't recruitment, I don't blame them for leaving
Imagine that you’re part of a band, a band that’s been around for a while. The band had a great run. Things slow down to the point where the rest of the band is off doing whatever (read: nearly nothing of any consequence) while you’re performing solo shows night in and night out.
There’s another band out there that’s doing reasonably well and is relatively prolific; they’ve toured with the first band to gain their name. This band has its shit together and is doing all it can to assemble the strongest band it possibly can. I see no problem with getting the best musicians together if the band they left wasn’t carrying its weight.
The band they left all of a sudden is “better than ever” (what else would they say?) and has some original members, but now they’ve hired a roadie or two as replacements and are writing beef-filled songs about the band that their bandmates left for. It’s up to the consumer whether they like this “new-and-improved” band or not, but one can only hear so many pissed off songs before it becomes tiresome.
I'm not attacking your sense of humor or sophomoric style
I happen to have that sort of humor myself. I’m just saying that I visited your site regularly to see if I missed any Wolves links, and that’s it. That’s all I ever really saw on the site. All the while, CH was going strong and continuing to look for ways to improve while pushing out the product. Britt has posted here, as has Shrink. What I’m saying is that there is a concerted effort here at Hoopus to bring the best possible product forward to the readers.
Can you really say that this was the case during the dry period at TWB before 3.0? The site over there stagnated, and the building never stopped here. I’m all for TWB going the rebirth route (it’s already much nicer to look at), but I really think the pot-shots are doing you no good as far as attracting the new readership you need.
Despite my similar sense of humor, I personally don’t find a lot of the humor in the articles particularly funny or clever, but that’s just my opinion and matter of taste, not an insult. I think we need as many alternative viewpoints and styles as possible to make Wolves blogdom better, and I’m just hoping you guys can put out your best work without long diatribes about rival sites cluttering the news up.
I dont get the joke? Why the drum beat?
Your response isn’t altogether surprising though. That’s what I would be saying if I were you. But I will have you know there is a complete lack of factual material behind your comment. I won’t defend on a micro-level, but to say TwB doesn’t have a following/readership is plain incorrect. Moving on.
After
reading all of your post, I’m amazed that she stayed with you for so long. What a douchebag!
Allow me to reply to this.
Mr. Hanson sent out a message, asking if I wanted to still be involved with TWB. With SG’s departure, you guys need consistent voices – not me to write two posts a month. You’re better off without me. This is what I told Derek, and he didn’t disagree – or at least, I never heard back from him.
It wasn’t until after I sent that email that I heard CH was even interested in letting me write over here. You may not believe this, but I wasn’t recruited at all until after TWB 3.0 had launched.
I don’t want to be part of this war; I still read and like TWB, but I don’t think I can help very much over there. CH is in a different spot.
by Jon Marthaler on Apr 1, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't get it
The TWB guys seem to be saying that they are, and want to be, something very different from CH. From what I’ve seen, I’d say they’ve pulled that off.
So a couple of people have moved from TWB to CH. All that says to me is that writers are picking where they want to be given how the two sites have differentiated themselves from one another. Even when people are recruited (and I take no position on whether that happened), they can choose not to move.
TWB has made their case: they are different from CH, they don’t like how CH is run, etc. People like me have read it. Now we’ll decide where to spend our time.
Can we be done with this now?
by Madison Dan on Apr 1, 2010 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
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