GameThread #62: @ Mavericks
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Looks like
the Timberwolves are outmanned by quite a significant amount at every single position tonight…, I guess it’s a good thing that Kidd is sitting then. Even though he could teach Flynn a lesson or two…
That's an absolute joke.
I’m trying to convince myself Rambis isn’t an idiot, but it’s harder than ever.
Hey there it is!
When recommended Fanposts move out of the list and into their own section, they become invisible to me. I’ll have a look. Like I said, I really want to believe Rambis is a good coach, like a 12 year old trying to suspend his disbelief about Santa Claus for one more Christmas.
I read it.
I don’t quite buy it. We’d lose plenty without doing so intentionally. And don’t we have young guys like Ellington and Tucker who we could use to tank while actually getting player development, rather than just faking it?
I said this in the line-up thread...
THe issue is not that Love isn’t starting…it’s that with Love coming in 6 minutes into the 1st/3rd….there is no way that he can get to the 34-36 minute mark without completely wearing him out.
I'm glad at least one other person is aware of this.
He can reach the mid 30s for minutes coming off the bench, but only if you’re totally committed to a 3 player big man rotation and bringing him in early on in the 1st and 3rd. Pretty much everything has to go right for him to reach just the low 30s, but then Rambis plays Gomes at the 4 or doesn’t sub Love in soon enough, and his minutes get cut.
The only long term solution is to start Love/Jefferson or to trade one of them, because we’re not maximizing their value by cutting both of their minutes.
Only thing I can think of...
…is he’s worried about a Love/Dirk matchup. He did this last time we played Dallas too, when he wouldn’t put Love in at the end of the game
Further evidence of incompetence
Hollins had one good defensive possession on Dirk, but then gave up points on like 5 straight possessions afterward. Dirk realized that Hollins was too stupid not to go for his fakes, so he got the line 3 times in a row. Rambis did nothing. If not for Hollins’ 6th foul forcing the substitution for him, we would have lost that game.
Nice...
I like how the Dallas announcers just talked up Flynn and Brewer as our scorers to stop, then admitted they were both averaging 13 ppg. Good God, this will be awful to watch.
For everybody not watching
Hollins sets a screen and rolls to the right elbow, Flynn rolls to middle and throws to Darko at the FT line, who immediately swings it to Hollins who gets the roll.
It looks like Dallas
is afraid to take it inside against our bigs…. 14 feet of raw defensive power!
This is a lineup
where I don’t mind Flynn getting some shots up. He’s our best shot creator of the bunch.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
He literally just stands there
When Darko closes out on a shooter, it’s an automatic offensive rebound for Dallas. We might as well just leave them open and hope they miss, because Hollins is not grabbing that rebound.
Like Mplax said
At least they are coming out with some good effort.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Rebounds are killing us though
No great rebounders in there right now… Where’s Love?
Incredibly close
Terry – 12.5pts / 6.6ast / 3.2reb / 1.7stl per 36 while shooting 41.5 / 29.3 / 80.7
Flynn – 17.0pts / 5.4ast / 3.1reb / 1.3stl per 36 while shooting 41.6 / 35.0 / 81.6
Terry was also 6’2" for his entire rookie season, while Johnny just turned 6’0"
And I’m pretty sure he’s never going to get any bigger.
Why?
Yeah, Terry at 21 was 2 1/4 inches taller than Flynn at 20, but other players kept growing after 20 – Ty Lawson put on half an inch between the 2008 and 2009 drafts. Plus, Flynn weighed 20 pounds more than Terry did; I wouldn’t be surprised if Flynn is Terry with a slightly worse outside game and a slightly better inside game.
yet everyone thinks Flynn was a huge mistake at #6. Jason Terry has had a better career than most of the top 10 picks in 2009 draft will have.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Mar 3, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
I’ve been dogging the Flynn/Terry comparison because Terry seems like so much more of a dangerous shooter. I would not have guessed that he was ever so bad on 3’s. On the other hand, it’s kinda embarrassing that Terry averaged more assists.
Terry averaged 7.4 assts per game one year in Atl. It’s not that embarrassing.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Mar 3, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
How many losses do we need
before we can let Tucker on the floor to see what we have, otherwise D-league him
I was going to say that as well
but thought humor would be more in order…lol
Yeah... 'm gona go watch G. Vasquez tear up Duke
Tonight I’m gonna take a break from Flynn/Hollins starting, Love subbing, and coaching decisions that actually put Pavlovic in a game on purpose
by SF on Mar 3, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
You're mostly right,
but I mean, c’mon. The dude drives the lane then jumps in the air, then passes it out of bounds in front of Love. I used to do stuff like that on the JV team and I got benched? How is Flynn still doing this in the pros??
by SF on Mar 3, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
I hear you
Flynn does a lot of JV stuff. But on that particular play, I think Love wasn’t expecting it. He could have reached that ball.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
I actually think
that was brilliant of Rambis to draw that tech. He recognized that Darko was pretty close to going off the edge there, and stepped up for his player.
He got a tech
for being out of the coaching box… not really stepping up… more so just stepping out.
probably does not get the T
unless he had been being obnoxtious earlier though…
I'm confused
how was that a foul on Love? He was dribbling when the whistle went off…
Pavs
Ugly shot selection. At least it went down.
Wow, what a flop.
These refs hate KLove with a fury
They were both very marginal calls.
The last one especially. Love caught the ball, barely moved, and Najera flopped as bizarre slow motion. The first offensive foul came as Loves was catching a pass and I really have no idea why it was called, I saw nothing.
A good Jonny Stop?
Just now, he stood up top doing nothing with the shot clock ticking down from 6. The Mavs didn’t think anyone would be that indifferent to the need for urgency, and they camped in the lane waiting for the drive that should have come. Whistle blows, defensive 3 second violation.
Another unfair Flynn rip, lol
I feel like I’m his brother defending him all the time, but the ball was passed to him at the top of the key with 7 seconds left, he only had it for like a second before the def 3 sec
Eduardo Najera
proving that not only can athletes be actors, but actors can be athletes.
Yeah, he could have
at least ducked around the guy, maybe even have drawn a foul that way.
Don't kick a live dog.
Alright
that was a GREAT F*@king play by Hollins!! F off refs.
lol @ Dirk and Hollins
They’re dueling floppers. Hollins just got sprawled from some minor contact, so Dirk fake fell over to sell it. This is intense!
and you think keeping jefferson or trading him for expirings would be better?
and by the way deng > gay
It was a fair offer
I just didnt like it. Keeping Jefferson doesnt seem like an option anymore. I dont like the idea of selling so low on him. I would take Gay over Deng 10x over. Younger, more consistent, less of an injury risk.
i think the age difference is like 1 year between them...
and gay doesn’t play d whilst deng is a very good defender….also a better rebounder and a better 3 point shooter, whilst gay is just a scorer who doesn’t give u much else
I dunno about that
Gay is averaging 20 pts 6 rebounds 2 assists 1.5 stls and 1 block per game and is 23 years old, also has played 78, 81, 79, and 58 games this year.
Deng is averaging 18 pts 7 rebounds 2 assists 1 steal and 1 block per game, 24 years old and played in 61, 78, 82, 63, 49 and 59 games this year.
Take your pick, I will go with Rudy
but there is no guarantee we get Rudy.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Mar 3, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Deng isn't "very good"
But he’s definitely better than Gay, who is pretty awful.
I was talking about defense
I hate the way this site handles threads. No edit, no delete, every reply is tabbed over way too far
I think he's about average
To slightly above average. Again, combined with his above average offensive game, he’s a very solid player.
No
But we can’t just give the guy away.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
...could be; if he played like a man rather than a wuss.
These half-time guys are stupid jerks.
Don't kick a live dog.
by WillistonCoyote on Mar 3, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
He is kind of a wuss
except on dunks where he has a clear path to the basket and no one can get a finger on the ball.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Random thought
Is JJ Barea the shortest white player in NBA history? (Random side thought, is he white? First name is Juan…)
This may be a stretch
but he just might be the shortest Puerto Rican to ever play basketball.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
another random thought
how come barea can chew on his mouthguard but butler cant chew on straws?
Stat alert
Jason Terry with a True Shooting Percentage greater than 100% at halftime. Ideally, we’d hold him to lower than that…
Mark Blount
It’s really nice not seeing his name on the stat sheet. Even if it was just a DNP.
I'd give it to Hollins
After the almighty Darko
Wonder why we like ex-Dallas Centers so much
Maybe we’ll get Haywood!
Barea
Tonight’s All-Star du Jour
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Seen more D in an All Star game
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Jonny acts like he's never seen a screen before....
….. his D is really embarrassing right now
Honestly his D concerns me more than anything else...
I think he can find a nice role on offense but I don’t ever see him being marginal on D. His fundamentals just aren’t there
Seems like every game
the Wolves make some opposing backup nobody has really heard of into an instant all-star. Barea is the All-Star du Jour this evening.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
But when he has sat
Beaubois has been doing even more damage.
just started watching again
missed BB’s damage. Perhaps it’a a 2fer today.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
Here is the moment when the wheels fall off
the wheels fall off.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
true
we’ll see what happens this time
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
What a great assist by Gomes...
…. shades of the Bobcats game
I really hope that wasn't
a frustration elbow. Still, a dumb play by Jason Terry.
RIP Chick
He had some great remarks. The ol’ popcorn machine, mustard sliding off the hot dog…
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
he has such a sweet touch
wish I could shoot like that…
I always found his release awkward-looking
Allen has the classic wrist flick. Dirk’s is an almost one handed shot that he tosses up with a lot of arc, though it is indeed as effective as anyone’s.
Uhhh no more Pecherov....
….let’s just play Darko until he fouls out then forfeit
if...
we played a little defense we might actually have had a chance to win this…
Terry...
can you really play with that thing in his nose?
Yeah I couldn't really figure that one out either.
Love isn’t athletic enough to jump up and grab that ball with one hand while finding a guy and pushing him with his other hand.
And we've been good in 4th quarters this year
If we haven’t been completely blown out of the water in the first three, we usually make a game of it in the fourth.
I went into the game assuming we’d get killed. This is a pleasant surprise.
Wow,
bring in the laundry and see Wolves back in it. OK, wheels back on the wagon, and so am I.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
our defense...
dallas has scored 30, 30, and 29…ick!
i know he has no experience....
but he makes a lot of sense as an announcer when analysing teams and he is one of the all time leading assist leaders in the league and has alot of smarts about him… this team wouldnt be turning the ball over so much
so far, so pretty good
Love could get 35+ minutes. he deserves it. hope darko can last a bit, too. we need the D. Best flynn game in a while
Flynn has been playing well
I haven’t noticed any head-shaking moments from him, which is all I hope for.
My God Hollins
You have so many deficiencies. If you can’t avoid getting blown by by Dirk, there is no reason for you to be on the floor.
Al would be nice to have right now.....
…this is ugly
awww how cute
the announcers think the zone is working against us… Without it we would have 100 by the third quarter…
Both teams are playing defense now.
This favors the Mavs. We don’t have the skill to score against a committed halfcourt defense. They do.
need darko and flynn
darko for D, flynn for O. Sessions is better in close, no range.
by ChicagoViking on Mar 3, 2010 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
The nice thing about Brewer
he’ll shoot 43-46% no matter how good the defense is… or bad…
Beaubois > Barea...
….by a bit.
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In general, against the Wolves, or both?
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
He's having a bad season
I think he’s usually better
Momentum changer there.
Even if he misses, Wilkins has to take that shot. Potential six point swing just now.
wolves..
..have a 44% oreb rate right now….with a 22.5 to rate.
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Bring on darko for d on dirk
don’t care if he fouls out
his entire game..
…can be described as feeble. dude is killing them tonight.
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Contrary to popular belief
Hollins really cannot guard Dirk Nowitzki. He will be our downfall, mark my words.
And when the sun rises in the east
it’s the morning.
best flynn game in a long time
let’s see if he returns to some clutch 4th Q scoring
How does Love
keep getting wrung up for that crap?
This is the problem offensively without Jefferson
Brewer becomes our #1 option and ends up having to take way more shots that he should. That being said, overall we are playing with way more spark than usual. I’ll take it.
Scary
But, I’d like to see if Flynn could be the guy on O down the stretch.
by ChicagoViking on Mar 3, 2010 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Announces rationalizing the close game
B.S. on league parity! You guys should be ripping your team for not stomping on us.
2nd unit corey > 1st unit corey
can’t wait too
by ChicagoViking on Mar 3, 2010 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
Fun fact
Although the 82games data is a couple weeks old, Corey Brewer is shown to have an effective FG% of 0.217 on his jump shots in clutch situations.
Bad foul on Dirk
Yeah, he had good position for a layup, but make him convert. If you foul to prevent the layup, it’s an automatic two points for him at the line.
Hollins was pathetic
Not really picking up off the screen, allowing the open three as he half hedged back to the lane and screened out his teammate, then flailing wildly past the rebound
rambis mistake
should have paired love/darko
by ChicagoViking on Mar 3, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
it boggles the mind..
…why he doesn’t roll with that. love + hollins are terrible together.
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Hollins OK tonight
But Love/Darko best combo
by ChicagoViking on Mar 3, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
What would it take...
…for him to put his two best big men in at the same time?
I feel like even if all the bad ones got injured, he’d go smallball instead.
i'm semi-encouraged
hope flynn keeps playing like this. a little more passing, especially after he beats the guy off the dribble.
by ChicagoViking on Mar 3, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
May be feels a bit more free without having to feed the beast in the post
Al can gum things up.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
He's trying to top the end of the Bobcats game perhaps
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
I think a lot of that...
has to do with him not usually having the ball in his hands this much…
Haha listening to the game on the radio
and they just had a you’re listening to the home of the common man and in the backround In Da club by 50 cent was playing.
One of the worst combo’s ever.
Nice job Flynn.
Ran the pick and roll, maintained his dribble, and hit the floater. I’ll take that over an out of control drive any day.
I hope he takes it over
by both passing to open guys and shooting when open
by ChicagoViking on Mar 3, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
another good flynn pass
best game in how long?
Say what you will about Corey
But he is one of the only reasons we are in this game right now…
brewer
trying too hard. already was a contested shot
Flynn for 3
Yeah, I think he has it tonight
and another
flynn reverts to bad jonny late in game
by ChicagoViking on Mar 3, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
Then terribler
Way to miss everything on a two point attempt when we’re down three, Jonny. The future floor general of the Minnesota Timberwolves, everyone.
no...
..they showed the overhead replay. it was a solid defensive play.
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league pass comes through with the 30 second replay!!!
it looked like he was grazed from the side view but the overhead view showed it to be clean.
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Looked clean
on the fuzzy stream.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
I think the announcers
just called Brewer a dangerous 3pt shooter…
can we just blame pavs if we lose
-9. why does he play? why dig bigger holes. maybe blame rambis
this isn't meant at flynn specifically....
…but this is why you don’t want sub 6 footers to take the last shot unless they’re named isiah thomas.
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Next time we need a game winning shot I say we go to Love
for a 3 quarters of the court shot.
by Bad News Wolves on Mar 3, 2010 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
as a 6th man...
…energy scorer, yes.
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Ok
I’d definitely trade him for Beaubois now. With his superior French education, surely he would’ve known that we needed three (3) points to tie.
traveling on the rebound
but they would never call it
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
I try to avoid other rookie point guard's stat lines.
It makes me feel better about Flynn.
by Bad News Wolves on Mar 3, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
yup...
unbelievable…Thornton and Collison have been playing very well.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Mar 3, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
Although no one really saw this coming from Collison
We can cry in our soup over Curry, but no one had Collison doing these things.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
I watched him play a bit while he was at UCLA.
While I’m not surprised he has exceeded expectations. These things are hard to predict. Could be playing behind CP3, or the team. It’s not a given. Jonny might be great on another team. Curry might suck on another team. Give rookies some time.
"Never make predictions, especially about the future." Casey Stengel
collison is a stud
probably helps that he backs up paul, or did before pauls injury
They have a .57% efg
with a 44% oreb rate and they’re going to lose. that’s amazing.
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20 turnovers
Even more amazing…..Hollins managed to hang onto 7 rebounds tonight. Sadly, that might be a season high for him.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
Jersey got stomped by the Cavs
6-54
poor bastards
'It's just noise coming out of an ugly scientist.' Michael Scott
I hate end of the game play calls
Send a pass in to the three point line and have someone just shoot it immediately. You get fouled you get 3 shots. Yout don’t get fouled and miss it, you get 3 seconds off the clock and a rebound on the wrong side of the floor… game over.
Here's the question...
Which Point Guards drafted in the first round have been WORSE then Jonny Flynn….
Anybody?
+1
Jennings has been pretty awful actually since Dec
by TWolvesFanInLA on Mar 3, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
That was nice of you
“pretty awful”
Giving him the benefit of the doubt like that… A scholar and a gentleman!
Flynn isn't awful
He’s shown he can score very well, and I’ll give him time to add more to his game. Yes, he makes awful, awful mistakes. But it’s far too early to call him a complete failure.
What nobody mentions is that virtually every other player that is not a PG in this draft has been worse than Jonny. I know that guys like Curry and Jennings that were drafted around him have had much better years (in stretches), but there are far worse players with less upside that have ended up with than Jonny Flynn.
There were legit questions about all of the other PGs drafted in this very PG-deep draft. Aside from his size, you could argue that Flynn was the most solid all-around choice at the time. It wasn’t guaranteed that Curry would be anything more than a shooter just as much as there wasn’t a guarantee that Jennings would be anything more than a head case who blows away in a strong breeze. Maybe those guys keep improving, and Jonny is a no-game disappointment. But if we really are interested in developing these guys as best we can, I’m willing to be patient until he pulls a Corey and learns how to play in the NBA.
Well Guys
greetings from the Mav realm. You guys gave us all we wanted and then some so I tip my hat to you. I really think the Timberwolves have a good thing going. Keep your heads up!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 3, 2010 10:06 PM CST reply actions
Too soon
Proper etiquet dictates you allow us 5 minutes of grievance before coming here ;-)
Fun game for sure!
Well
literally and figuratively, I’m a Maverick. Compliance isn’t one of my strong points
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 3, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Can you tell Dirk that he annoys the hell out of me?
Thanks.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Ya know Dirk doesn't annoy me as much as he used to....
but Najera makes me never want to watch the NBA again.
Why? Dirk is just a lankier and taller version of him
with more skill… Both of them flop like crazy. Dirk always looks really indignant after he does it too. It’s like he’s trying to sell it by looking hurt as if a light bump from Hollins is enough to hurt someone…
Thanks for the kind words...
…but we suck
We're typically not this feisty
You saw a different team tonight.
by Rascal Flatts on Mar 3, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
ah, youth...
bad decisions and turnovers. we reduce those 10-20% even and we double our wins. a lot of close games lost on bad execution late. makes you miss healthy Al. Don’t like the plodding style as an all-game approach, but I would have liked it in the last few miuntes of this kind of game
And if we increased our score by 10-20% per game
we would probably be in first place
just looking for hope
maybe we can grow out of the TOs and bad shot selection a bit. We seem to have more talent and are more competitive.
by ChicagoViking on Mar 3, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I think they are working on the TOs
Love mentioned them recently as an issue that they have been having. So at least they recognize that.
I thought Darko would get more burn tonight.
I still can’t believe a playoff team didn’t make us an offer for Gomes. He would be so solid off the bench for a playoff run and his contract is perfect for that situation.
who's to say they didn't, maybe Kahn meant it when he said he wasn't trading people
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 3, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Kahn said he wouldn’t trade our core (Jefferson, Love, Flynn and presumably Brewer). I think he would have moved Gomes without thinking twice about it.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Mar 3, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
foul trouble and rambis
Coach missed a big opportunity to pair him with Love late in the game
and Rambis left Hollins out there at minus 17... I thought Rambis made people earn their time... but only when its Love or jefferson....
it begins with a “T” and sounds like stank….lol…
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 3, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
They aren't tanking
That’s stupid, they don’t need to tank, they are nearly a lock for the 2nd worst record, plus it’s too early to tank.
its not a lock when the warriors have only 3 more wins with over 20 games to play.... and don't forget other teams will start tanking soon as well....
So some of the teams in front of us might not have many wins between now and the end of the season.
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 3, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
The difference between 2nd and 3rd is Turner... the difference between 5th and 6th could be huge.....
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 3, 2010 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Still don't think they are in that mode yet
Maybe I’m just naive but I don’ think Rambis is intentionally setting his rotations with losing in mind, not yet anyway.
Tanking sucks anyway, I hope they don't even think about it
Takes the integrity out of the game, I hated the Madsen three pointer game, it makes the league a joke.
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