The Charlotte Pick (dun dun dun)
So it occurred to me that there have been a ton of different suggestions for who to take with the Charlotte pick. That is of course if we get it. As of now it's looking to be a race to the finish here. So the guys that I have heard, and who are realistic possibilities include: Whiteside (not going to include him though as he will get all the votes. But I see him as a bad workout candidate), Henry, Monroe, J. Anderson, Ebanks, Warren (at the beginning of this year, people were saying he would be ok if he dropped - he has), and Motiejunas. I'll also include a category for any of the 3 random big men (Alabi, Udoh, Sanders) as well as an "other" category.
I'd appreciate any comments regarding why you chose who you did (because we can pick up player X with the Utah pick, because I really think he is primed for NBA success, etc etc)... especially if you chose other or if you want to pick a particular big man out of that group of 3.
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For my own selection
I am really torn between Henry, Monroe, and Anderson. I really think Anderson would be a prime selection if he is around at the Utah pick. And he looks like he could be good for us, but I think Henry will be a tremendous shooter in this league for years. Also, Greg Monroe is just downright intriguing. I’m leaning slightly towards him (assuming we get Turner with our first pick, if we got Favors/Cousins/Whiteside I would go with Henry or Anderson) as of now. But that could easily change. I just think a draft of Turner/Monroe/Ebanks would be downright studly. Ebanks is projected pretty low right now and Casperkid really sold me on his defense, which we lack. We fill our wings (one hopefully for the next decade, if not both) and we get a legit big who can pass and could really be a good defender if he adds a little bit more muscle.
Of course with this lineup we really have to hope Corey keeps his streak going for a few more years, Rubio can at least be an average shooter, Ellington sticks around and gives us some good bench minutes, Love keeps his shooting up, and Turner learns to shoot a bit.
Yeah I know even less about George
than I do about Ebanks. But Casperkid really gave Ebanks a nice review and he has a much better idea than I do about it. Plus I think we are going to need really good perimeter defense. Any idea about how good George is at that?
Paul George
He’s a risk, as he’s turnover prone. But in a system with a dominant ball-handler like Dwyane Wade, who we are assuming will come back, I think George could fit in very nicely with his great defensive abilities on the wing.
Someone thinks he’s got defensive skills.
Not saying much :)
Yeah I just read what DraftExpress had to say about his defense and they seemed to be high on him. High potential with reasonable ability to get there. Over 2 steals a game with the potential to get some blocks as well.
I’m neutral on the two as I haven’t seen either of them, but Ebanks is already a good defender, so I might give him a slight edge. Though I like what George brings to our team more… so dang… Still neutral.
Montiehunas
we seem to be moving towards euro ball and well…he is a euro big to work with/replace Darko
I have heard from numerous people all over europe
to stay away from him. His defense will be no better then Pech’s in the NBA. There is nothing similar in their games. Darko is an okay (but terribly rusty) offensive player who does have quite a bit of work to do on his offense, but solid D. Montiejunas will have a good offensive game and be a pile of suck on D.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Mar 10, 2010 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
Give me almost any other big
in this draft over that guy.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Mar 10, 2010 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
Seems like the perfect guy
to park next to Rubio/Turner/Brewer/Childress/Haywood. As long as he has good defense through the rest of the team, his offense supposedly has the upside of Dirk with slightly less shooting ability.
Though this would be an extremely difficult lineup to get or get close to. Jefferson and Love would be bad compliments so I don’t see this changing.
Pile of suck… heh.
any offensive only player
looks great in a great d lineup…but doesn’t that hinder your teams lineup flexibility to the point that you can’t change enough to be a matchup problem nigh in night out? That’s what makes the Lakers so hard the play against or the cavs (when they are all healthy). They have a lot of lineup flexibility. We already have offensive wow and defensive ugh Al. Do we really think that Monte will be any different with his impact on the game? Any different than Pech even?
Pile of suck indeed.
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by TheEvilProfessor on Mar 10, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'd have to think that lineup gives us plenty of flexibility
I’m not trying to convince you that he would be a good pick (for the record… I don’t think he will be the BPA or the best fit), but I do think that lineup has potential and flexibility. IF Motiejunas turns into a good offensive player and stays a bad defensive player, it’d be like Bargnani. Pair him with Turner and Brewer on the wings and Rubio facilitating and I think we have a decent and well-rounded attack.
Bring Flynn and Ellington off the bench and keep Love in mind and we have a decent lineup.
You can forget about Haywood
Cuban wanted him for more than this year and now has his Bird rights.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 10, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah I heard that as well
I was mostly just hoping for a Haywood type big. Defensive guy who can rebound and has decent offense, but nothing to write home about.
ekpe Udoh.... 4.2 blocks per game.......
by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 10, 2010 9:51 AM CST reply actions
Depends...
First choice: Use it in a trade for a higher lottery pick;
Second choice: Xavier Henry
Contingency plan if we end up dealing Love or Jefferson: Greg Monroe
Have you watched Monroe a lot?
I ask because I haven’t, and would appreciate input from somebody who’s wasted some time watching him play. The few minutes I saw revealed a long passive kid with low BBIQ—but it was just a few minutes.
Yes
Over the last two years, I’ve probably seen him play a half-dozen times or more. The “passive” thing used to plague him in some games. Apparently, that’s improved — it hasn’t been much of an issue in the games I’ve watched.
He has a very high BBIQ — it’s actually his biggest strength, at least if you partially (totally?) equate that with passing ability. He’s got Chris Webber-like passing ability from the high post, and he’s tall/long enough to make nice passes from the low block as well.
I don’t know how high he should go in the draft, but if the projections hold up (late lottery) it’ll be too low. In my opinion, he’s a better prospect than Ed Davis. Davis’ athleticism does not make up for all of the skill advantages that Monroe has over him, especially when you consider that they are about the same size (Monroe might even be taller?)
If I’m not mistaken, GTown is just getting underway against a pretty good South Florida team. Try espn360.com for further work distractions.
Judging by many of your recent comments on this blog...
I assume that “work,” in your case, is financial planning and consulting for Mr. Glen Taylor, of Mankato, Minnesota. Was I wrong to assume that?
Holy smokes . . .
uh . . . you’re way off . . . couldn’t be further from the truth . . . heh heh (tugs at collar) . . . no, I’m in . . . uh . . . let’s see . . .
Comput—no, Plastics. Yes, I’m definitely in plastics. The manufacturing, selling, and servicing of plastics.
Now let us never speak of this again.
No, he's an importer-exporter.
But he wants to give up the exporting and just focus on the importing.
It really depends on who they get earlier...
If it’s Turner or Wes Johnson, then Monroe. If it’s Wall or Favors or Cousins or Aldrich, then Anderson or Henry. My guy would say Henry just because he’s younger and already has a similar body to Anderson.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 10, 2010 11:44 AM CST reply actions
Henry's body is already bigger than Anderson
According to the measurements I’ve seen Henry is an inch taller and at least 20 pounds heavier than Anderson for what it’s worth.
I like Monroe
He has great basketball skills for a big guy, especially as young as he is. Terrific passer, can actually put the ball on the floor successfully, and it’s clear he’s going to have a jump shot eventually.
But…he’s neither particularly strong nor particularly explosive. I just saw him get swatted by a completely non-descript player from South Florida. I think there will be defensive issues for him.
by Eric in Madison on Mar 10, 2010 1:13 PM CST reply actions
When I first saw him play
my reaction was that he was built a lot more than people made it sound like. He really is pretty built and has a frame that looks like it will have no trouble adding more muscle. I agree that he isn’t and probably won’t ever be particularly explosive, but I do think he will add some weight and become a stronger force in the post… at least by a little bit.
No, he isn't skinny by any means; I didn't mean to imply that
And I don’t think he’s a weakling or anything. It’s just that his game is not in any sense a power game.
by Eric in Madison on Mar 10, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Henry vs. Anderson
I’d take one of these two guys no matter who they draft first. I am having a hard time deciding which two of these players would be better for the Wolves though. I think Anderson is the better overall scorer but if the Wolves insist on running the triangle I wonder if Henry might be the better fit. Henry seems to be the better spot up shooter to me while Anderson is more active coming off screens and putting the ball on the floor. Right now I think I’d prefer Anderson because I think he’ll score in more ways but I may change my mind by the time the draft comes around. I guess if I had to compare them to a current player, Anderson seems like Rip Hamilton while Henry is more Michael Redd. I could be totally off on those comparisons though. I will say Henry seems to be a better defender and is bigger so he could possibly play the 3 too.
I like Anderson
Dude’s so efficient. We could use that right now.
Growing my own "Darko-stache" since last Monday.
For what it's worth...
I like Anderson. I want to like Henry – I’m a Jayhawk fan, but the couple of games I watched he was a non-factor. I equate him to Wes Johnson, I have a hard time believing either guy will amount to much. I picked Anderson, but Donatas was a close second.
Hard to vote
I really doubt any of Monroe, Henry, or Ebanks will be available at #15. Realistically, it’ll probably be James Anderson or Ekpe Udoh.
Do you think Ebanks is going to make another tourny push?
Because right now DX has him listed at 26: 1 after the Utah pick. In fact, all three of the guys you mentioned are below our listed pick as of now. Depending where we end up (14 or belowish), there is about a pretty solid chance that we will have an opportunity at one of these guys. Right now the only guys who might drop or would be bad to get instead of them are Patterson, Vesley, Motiejunas, and S. Robinson. Depending on your stance, these guys might be better anyways (for the record, I don’t think so, though I don’t know anything about Vesley).
But to miss out on all of those guys, we would have to have a crappy combination of Charlotte dominating from here on out and all of the guys we want going up while the guys we don’t dropping. Well, I guess it’s March Madness for a reason.
Here's my hope for the Charlotte pick
that we either target a Wayne Ellington type player (polished, immediate contributor, long term upside higher than Gomes – meaning just a good solid starter – so perhaps James Anderson or similar) or we roll the dice and give a chance on whoever has a super high upside but slipped for other reasons (so could be a guy like Whiteside, or one of the Euros, or maybe an Ed Davis type player or Wes Johnson – or one of the lower guys who has great ability but is still clearly a project (and is moving quickly up draftboards due to workouts, etc.), maybe a guy like X. Henry, A. Bradley or even P. George. With three picks we have a bit of luxury, but I’d love to see the Bobcats pick yield something that allows/forces us to remove Pavs/Hollins/Stewie from this team.
Growing my own "Darko-stache" since last Monday.
My hope for the Charlotte pick is
that we either target a Wayne Ellington type player (polished, immediate contributor, long term upside higher than Gomes – meaning just a good solid starter – so perhaps James Anderson or similar) or we roll the dice and give a chance on whoever has a super high upside but slipped for other reasons (so could be a guy like Whiteside, or one of the Euros, or maybe an Ed Davis type player or Wes Johnson – or one of the lower guys who has great ability but is still clearly a project (and is moving quickly up draftboards due to workouts, etc.), maybe a guy like X. Henry, A. Bradley or even P. George. With three picks we have a bit of luxury, but I’d love to see the Bobcats pick yield something that allows/forces us to remove Pavs/Hollins/Stewie from this team.
Growing my own "Darko-stache" since last Monday.
I voted "other"
I believe it is imperative that the Wolves package two or three assets for one better player, or perhaps a high draft pick. Bringing in three 1st rounders really scares me. Ideally the Wolves would move a current player or two and the Utah or Charlotte pick for a very good player or to facilitate a sign and trade for a top free agent.
This is a good idea
but we need another team to tango. Care to name a few who might qualify, and which players would be of interest?
I am keeping an open mind
As you say, it takes two to tango, thus it largely depends on what other teams want to accomplish. For the sake of an example, let’s say the Wolves get the Charlotte pick at #15, and the Utah pick at #23.
It could be as simple as #15 & #23 for the #10 pick. Or #15, #23, and Pekovic for the #6 pick (Cole Aldrich). Until draft positions are finalized, teams decide what they want, and players start to get slotted, it is impossible to know. I will tell you if the Wolves start next season by adding Turner, Aldrich, and keeping Darko…I will be thrilled, even if it comes at the expense of Pek and the two extra 1st rounders. I also prefer only having two rookies.
It could also be an SNP type deal, where the Wolves overpay to get Gay, but justify it by getting rid of Jefferson’s contract and the Charlotte pick in some sort of sign and trade with three teams.
A simpler point I am trying to make is that if five of the following players return next season (Flynn, Sessions, Brewer, Love, Jefferson, Darko), there will not be enough playing time available to develop three or four rookies, Pekovic, and Ellington. Thus the Wolves need to trade quantity for quality, even if that means not getting back equal value.
I’ll give you my gut feeling on the type of deal that gets done. Brewer and the Charlotte pick get moved, along with either Love, Jefferson, or Pekovic…for a SF a couple tiers above Brewer. Probably a defender as good or better than Brewer, with a better offensive game. I think they sell high on Brewer before having to commit big money to a long term deal.
One of the things I like about Kahn is that unlike the previous POBO, he will explore all options and deal with teams other than the Celtics or agents that are buddies.
In your Brewer/Charlotte deal...
i’d hope we would only include Pekovic, unless by “a couple tiers above Brewer,” you mean an All-Star caliber player.
I tried to keep it open a bit
Couple reasons:
1. MPLAX pointed out in a discussion with me that an impact wing may not necessarily be an All-Star.
2. There are different opinions on Brewer’s upside, so by saying a few tiers above people can interpret this according to how they judge Brewer.
I would want someone better than Wally in a deal like this. In Kahn terminology the guy would be a #1 or #2 on a contending team (If Jefferson or Love are involved it would need to be a #1).
I certainly would be o.k. with a deal where Brewer is shipped out. It would be wise to sell high as you suggest. I don’t think he’s getting much better. Where’s his great defense?
by Blond Ricky on Mar 11, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Check out my article, I believe the same thing, I have two different lists, one for athletic big men, the other for athletic wings. Love, Gomes, Sessions, both our later 1st Rounders and possibly our early 1st Rounder if we fail to get one of the big four, Wall, Turner, Cousins, Favors, I just don’t see anybody taking guys over them, who could go before them? The only guy I see us taking at 5 if none of the big four are there and they’re not trading it is Whiteside, big time shot blocker already, much better than Thabeet, has range, very quick, quickly developing, Marcus Camby has the been the most constant comparison to him. Not bad, a borderline All Star for many years. That A:TO ratio is terrible though, makes me think of Hollins and his BB IQ.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 10, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think we’ll end up with two to three of the prospects in my lists, just don’t see anybody outside of those lists who would somebody that’s available, I’d love to have Granger though, but guys that we know could be available and are younger, like Igoudala, and Deng, or Gerald Wallace, and obviously Gay or Ellis, can’t believe they didn’t tell Don Nelson about the trade for Mayo and Thabeet, he would’ve done it in a heart beat supposedly. I always think Josh Smith can be had for the right deal, they’re always seems to be clashes with him and that franchise, a lot of turmoil, probably have to give up a lot though, Amare too, if he were to sign with us, obviously unlikely, but if Kahn is truly a con man, maybe he can convince him, whishful thinking. Younger, unestablished guys like JaVale McGee and Anthony Randolph can be had, not sure if we have the ammo outside of Al to get a sure fire All Star, but I’m sure a Love, Charlotte Pick, Sessions, and Gomes combination in a block buster can get us a Top Ten pick and a young athlete like Randolph or McGee, or maybe even a guy like Okafor, who could provide much better,
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Mar 10, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on if we get Turner
I picked monroe because a turner monroe draft is good but if we cant get turner a favors henry draft isnt to bad. I think the best way to use the charlotte pick would be with another player (pek?) and try to move it up to 6ish and try to get favors. Favors doesnt seem that realistic but who would have guessed we could get rubio at 5. Then my ideal draft would be turner, favors, and ebanks.
For those who don't believe we'll get the Charlotte pick...
Here is what Hollinger had to say yesterday in reference to the East playoff race…
Charlotte, which has quietly moved into much better position after briefly falling off the pace of the other contenders. After winning three straight, the Bobcats project to have an 88.3 percent chance of earning the franchise’s first playoff berth, with their most likely position a No. 7 seed.
The Bobcats’ biggest likely pitfall is two games in April against the Bulls — a sweep by Chicago would both cost the Cats two games and give the Bulls the tiebreaker, putting Charlotte’s hopes back in peril. Short of that, it’s tough to see how the Bobcats miss. Charlotte has nine games left against noncontenders and only four against the league’s top dozen teams; even if the Bobcats don’t play impressively, they should finish at or just above .500.
Thanks--
Jeezus. Five years, in the NBA LEast, and Charlotte’s never been in the playoffs? And now they’re barely on the cusp, with a veteran-laden roster, losing vast amounts of money?
Okay, there’s another squad to add to the list of “Teams That Make Me Glad I Am A Wolves Fan.”
Horrible drafting
Have they hit once, even remotely, on a draft pick? Morrison, May, Ajinca, Augustin (regressing), G. Henderson. Their best by far has been Ray Felton and he’s an average NBA PG. Okafor has to be considered a bust for th #2 pick, now traded for Chandler, who’s always hurt. They got lucky with G. Wallace in the expansion draft and the Jackson trade saved them this year.
by Blond Ricky on Mar 11, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Right--
and that’s despite all the hard work that Michael Jordan has put in at the office, on the phone, and sitting courtside scouting.
It would be interesting to see...
Morrison’s, May’s, Augustin’s and Henderson’s handicaps are on the links. We’re all quite aware of their handicaps on the court.
I'm glad they took Ajinca...
They gave up a pick to Denver to do it. Guess who’s got it now?
by pagingstanleyroberts on Mar 11, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Monroe won't fall
People are realizing how good he might be at the next level now. You never know, though I guess. I doubt Monetjunas falls, but if he does, that’s the guy we should take. His ceiling is huge, and he looks like a similar player to Bargnani. Henry is solid, but that’s all he ever will be. I guess if you’re dead set on getting another 6th or 7th man off the bench, like we don’t have enough of those, Henry would be a good value pick. I don’t know enough about Anderson yet, so we’ll see.

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