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J.B. Bickerstaff, Fred Hoiberg game meetings

Last week after the Warriors game and last night before the Detroit loss, Jonah Ballow invited a few local blog posters to talk to Wolves folks in the administrative offices at Target Center. The first week we met J.B. Bickerstaff, and last night Fred Hoiberg talked to us.

 

J.B. Bickerstaff

J.B. Bickerstaff, the most junior assistant coach, talked about his player development responsibilities after we watched Stephen Curry put up huge numbers against Jonny Flynn and the rest of the home roster. He described the range of stuff the Wolves try in order to help players with their games -- psychologists, sleep cycle experts, Darrick Martin working on individual skills -- and then took questions.

I don't want to mischaracterize other people's questions and the answers they got. The only real question of substance I asked Bickerstaff was about the D-league and whether the Wolves intended to move in that direction, or could use it more for player development right now. Would they intend to move to a 1:1 arrangement with their franchise, for example, like San Antonio and the Lakers?

J.B. was quite aware of which teams had that full ownership of a dedicated D-league franchise, and of the potential advantages of going that way. He answered basically in terms of how things were today: He was wary of turning over a player's development to a situation where the Wolves couldn't dictate the systems being run, and so on. I got the sense that it wouldn't be J.B.'s responsibility to shape the direction of the franchise in a larger sense anyway. I'd mentioned the CBA restrictions on moving players there, but he didn't touch that for example. He was perfectly familiar with the pros and cons of D-league relationships, not surprisingly.

More recently David Kahn, in his KSTP interview the other day, went out of his way to mention the minor league model in baseball and how it might have helped Darko develop, said his ownership of teams down there made him aware of how the D-league might work out, and touched on the fact that Hasheem Thabeet (also a #2 pick, like Milicic) had done a couple of games in Bismarck.

 

 

Fred Hoiberg

Last night before the Detroit "we refuse to play Kevin Love as we lose a lead in the 4th quarter" celebration to end the year, Hoiberg joined us. He talked briefly both about the year and how certain players have been going, laid out the familiar details about why the Wolves have a chance to make big changes this offseason, and then took questions.

I immediately asked Fred who, in the front office, was responsible to [I]advocate[/I] for "advanced" stats (I mentioned Daryl Morey and used the words "dark arts") when the Wolves were making decisions.

That answer right now is: Dean Cooper. The Wolves do dedicate a staff position to stats, and that's who's doing it right now. Probably others will remember that Cooper was the Houston front office guy who came up to be an assistant coach last year or the year before. Hoiberg described this as a Houston connection, actually, probably because I'd mentioned Morey. He described Cooper poring over his monitor, watching numbers. Then he mentioned the previous guy the Wolves had in that capacity, someone from Holland (I believe?) who was a real stats-first-and-almost-only guy. Fred wondered how often he had even seen basketball games.

It's interesting to speculate on just how seriously this point of view is taken by the Wolves. Obviously they at least are doing more than subscribing to a stats service and assuming that informs their decision makers. They've got someone whose responsibility is to bring that point of view up, which means that voice is in theory at the table. (Poor Tim Allen. How will he take the news? He can console himself with knowing something about Detroit, Michigan during the trivia contest at last night's game, I guess.) On the other hand, Cooper could be seen as a lame duck who's filling a role that isn't seen as terribly important.

Someone else followed up about the whole 'database of existing players' thing. I'll let the questioner spell that out if they want. Hoiberg touched on the Wolves' new(-ish?) database of league players: stats and thorough background on anyone, as you'd basically expect.

My second question was a little more generic -- I asked how the front office process and roles had changed since last year. Partly we were pressed for time, but partly I wanted to give him a chance to say that the changes under Kahn had been inconsequential or massive, without me leading him one way or the other. Hoiberg described new roles for the regional scouts, different travel schedules.... I wouldn't say he immediately jumped up to say everything was different and better. That made me a little nervous. Both J.B. and Hoiberg had chances to say something like that, and honestly I'm mostly still getting a "We're working harder" vibe.) On the other hand, the way roles have been moved around just to keep the people with contracts working away, we all know there's been substantial change.

 

At the end of our talk with Hoiberg, Jonah Ballow said a few words about how these meetings were meant to test the waters with blog posters. He mentioned the blogs-folks form recently posted on the Wolves site (and linked to on Canis); we'd seen that the previous week. The Wolves, he said, would like to open things up and allow the world of online fans a little more access to the team, in a variety of senses.

Both meetings were fun to attend, and came with free tickets. If you're asked to something like this, don't be shy. You'll get a chance to sit on the Wolves' leather couches while strange mascots head out into the arena crowds.

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Thanks for the write up..

…I’ll boost it up to the featured section.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 15, 2010 8:01 AM CDT reply actions  

BTW:

It’s “Dean” Cooper, not Scott.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 15, 2010 8:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, yeah -- correct it if you can. It was early.

Can I mention a few astronauts now, though? ;-)

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by feral on Apr 15, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Changes made..

….consider this my ed note: “scotts” were changed to “deans”

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 15, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

No *Gordon* Cooper? No Gus Grissom?

My mind is shot with tax amendments.

"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."

by feral on Apr 15, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fun events

I was at both of these as well. I enjoyed the Hoiberg Q & A a little bit more, just because I’m more interested in the future of this team than the present. My only question was about scouting shooters and whether he focuses more on form or on past production/performance. Fred gave a good answer, even if it pretty much said “both.” He described how the way a player releases the ball can have a big effect on whether his shot can be extended back a few feet to the NBA line. I was mostly interested in his thoughts on this, because of the Telfairs and Brewers who have come through this system and had a lot of struggles adjusting to that distance. Fred can’t specifically comment on college players, but I would have liked to hear what he thinks of Wes Johnson as a future three-point shooter in the NBA.

It wasn’t necessarily a surprise, but it was interesting to hear him say that “they get calls all the time about Ricky.” Obviously, that doesn’t mean they get good offers (or even offers, at all) but it’s fun to get that little bit of insight as to how much inter-team communication there is in a given season. Also, if the Wolves are able to draft John Wall, those calls will probably increase 10-fold. If teams think they can get Rubio now, I imagine they’ll feel a lot more hopeful if we win the lottery.

by Andy G on Apr 15, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I really liked Fred. At no point did I feel like he was just spouting the PR answers (though I’m sure at least some of it had that sort of spin on it), he was up front about the frustrations with this season and about certain players not being where he had hoped they would be. It’s encouraging to see a front office guy come right out and say things like that. I like it when the people in charge of personnel decisions don’t overvalue their own guys (someone can feel free to make a McHale joke here—I typed a Chris Mullin jab, but then realized less people would care about that). It’s really important if you want to build a winner to not think that all the guys on your 15 win roster are the solution.

It was also appreciated that he didn’t want to throw all the Wolves’ chips into 2010 and overpay someone. I made a joke about them not signing Joe Johnson to a 5 year/$80M deal like the Knicks are sure to and he kind of smirked and didn’t comment specifically, but I got the feeling that he is really paying attention to market values of players and won’t do anything aggressively stupid this offseason (fingers crossed).

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by cap'n hack on Apr 15, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's sign Craig Smith back. He was the solution.

Totally agreed about both Fred H’s restraint when it came to free agents and the general attitude of the front office toward its current players.

The general question I really wanted to ask Fred was, “What have you guys learned from your mistakes?” Or, alternatively, “Who’s going to be in the room to play Devil’s advocate over the decision on Flynn-vs.-Curry next time?” I just figured that would be rude in a 30-minute PR thing. The thing is, making bad choices isn’t something that happens out of sheer stupidity; it’s usually something that comes from a bad process. That’s why I wanted to know about someone to “advocate for” the stats angle. It suggests a better sense of process than I’d expected.

I tried to hint at all that by asking what had changed from last year before Kahn. That sort’ve let him tell us, unprompted, whether it had been a dramatic change or not. I’m not sure if it really got the answer I was looking for, though….

"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."

by feral on Apr 15, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Who’s going to be in the room to play Devil’s advocate over the decision on Flynn-vs.-Curry next time?"

Haha, my friend was actually saying that he really wanted to ask why Curry wasn’t in a Wolves jersey, but in the end, he held back. But yeah, the front office restructuring would have been interesting to hear more about; I just think we were working with such limited time that a full answer might have been difficult to really flesh out. Odds are, more front office changes happened than just shuffling around roles and adding more scouts, but given that we only had a couple minutes at that point and I sort of doubt that he wanted to really go into detail about the front office overhaul (given that he was part of the old regime), it’s not surprising that he just gave a quick rundown. It would have been interesting to hear about specific draft prospects too, but sadly, it was not to be. Oh well, it was still a great conversation and I’m glad he was able to come down to talk to us.

I just hope they fit in a couple events like that this summer. I’m skipping the country next year and would love to see what the summer goings-on are before I go.

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by cap'n hack on Apr 15, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I liked Fred, too

He’s clear in his communication and doesn’t try to “polish any turds.”

by pagingstanleyroberts on Apr 15, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which, according to Mythbusters, is actually possible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

Looks like there’s at least some room for improvement with Sasha and Hollins. Because, hey, isn’t a high-gloss turd nicer than a regular turd?

by nja700 on Apr 15, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

So will we, right?
If teams think they can get Rubio now, I imagine they’ll feel a lot more hopeful if we win the lottery.

Yeah, I’m going to be more hopeful then too. ;-)

Pretty much the only draft spot the Wolves can land in that won’t lead to huge trade speculation is 2nd. (Well…. Maybe 5th. But let’s never speak of that again.)

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by feral on Apr 15, 2010 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Summer Ball, 2010

Both Flynn and Ellington are currently slated to play in Las Vegas this summer.

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by feral on Apr 15, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I was going to follow up on the type of offers they were getting for Rubio...

Even if it wasn’t specific players, just the quality of them to gauge his current value.

I asked about the scouting of current NBA players, which prompted his response about the database. I thought two bits that shouldn’t be read into were mentioned off the bat: he said he really would like to see Rubio play with Love and mentioned Gomes specifically as a guy whose effort lags when the team is losing. He also said that option #1 with cap space is obviously to get one good player, but beyond that, it’s possible that parts of it (probably not the whole thing) could be used on adding some vets who can play in an NBA rotation.

by pagingstanleyroberts on Apr 15, 2010 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

How many people have we now heard 'hang their heads a little' when things get rough?

I’m up to at least half the roster.

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by feral on Apr 15, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope Kahn can use his D-League experience

to the Wolves advantage, but also get the NBA as a whole to better use the D-League rather than relying so much on the NCAA to develop players. Obvious one and done’s shouldn’t be going to college. Let the college’s go back to building programs, not one year runs. The one and done’s could spend a year in D-League against similar talent, get paid a decent salary (at least as much as they get paid to play for Kentucky), then enter the draft after they have played 40-50 games in the D-League with coaches who will give honest assessments about the players.

by Rumblebee on Apr 15, 2010 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Thinking about it, how much did we hear about Love in these meetings?

The only time I can remember is when Fred H. was talking numbers and said Love showed well in that way.

Did Bickerstaff mention Kevin Love at all?

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by feral on Apr 16, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

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