And the record goes to...
by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 7, 2010 9:38 PM CDT
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Congrats to Don Nelson, who set the NBA record for coaching victories against a Wolves lineup of Jonny Flynn, Corey Brewer, Ryan Gomes, Kevin Love, Darko Milicic, Damien Wilkins, Ramon Sessions, Sasha Pavlovic, and Ryan Hollins. Most impressively, he did so with a lineup of Stephen Curry, Reggie Williams, Corey Maggette, Ronny Turiaf, Anthony Tolliver, Anthony Morrow, Chris Hunter, and Devan George, thus barely qualifying the proceedings as an NBA contest.
In other news, earlier in the day almost the entire Kentucky team declared for the draft and would likely be chosen ahead of any of the players on the court save for Kevin Love and Stephen Curry, should the Wolves and Warriors magically be allowed to enter into the 2010 extravaganza.
Here's a condensed game recap: The Wolves can't defend. Golden State posted an eFG of 61% and managed an OReb rate of 21.2% Stephen Curry went for 27 points, 8 rebounds, 14 assists, and 7 steals. Yours truly went for an early exit and read a book starting at 4:12 into the 2nd quarter.
This season cannot end quickly enough.
Feel free to throw your two cents about the game into the comments.
Until later.
Warriors blogging can be found here: Golden State Of Mind
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It probably says all you need to know about Don Nelson
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I think it’s great that SNP chose that picture.
If I had any kind of skill at manipulating pictures, I would make a gif that has him doing a belly dance.
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They showed that on GSoM too.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
you mean bellinelli
8th alias and on probation
I promise to be kinder and gentler
by StinkyFingers on Apr 8, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yay for the lottery!
Corey Brewer – 7th pick
Jonny Flynn – 6th pick
Darko Milicic – 2nd pick
Love – 5th pick
Gomes – 2nd round
Curry – 7th pick
Maggette – 13th pick
Turiaf – 2nd round
Tolliver – Undrafted
Williams – Undrafted
That's depressing
I guess there’s only a couple of guys each year that can make a team. And the Wolves don’t currently have one.
It gets worse
Morrow, led the league on 3pt shooting last year was undrafted
Azubuike, who torched the Warriors earlier this season, undrafted
Monta Ellis, 2nd round
Their recent lottery guys, Wright and Randolph, have been injured.
Zgoda had a good point today
Showing the results GSW has had with some D-Leaguers while the Wolves have not really even tried any of these guys.
Canis Hoops
I started following this blog around when Darko got traded to the TWolves as a way to learn about the team and to follow his progress. I have the say, I don’t know how the others that follow this blog put up with the quality lately. I know the team has been doing bad but really? The Nets are the worst team in the league, yet we still have two blogs that provide analysis and notes after each game. Just find it odd.
I know I don’t have to read if I don’t like it, just felt like getting it off my chest, since I couldn’t catch this game and this “game wrap up” was particularly uninformative. Sorry if I offended anyone.
ummm...
maybe it was as informative as it could be? Nellie got his record breaking win. other than that, have a quick look at the stats and press on to next game.
not trying to be a dick…just sayin there isn’t much to report…especially if you’ve been following the pups all year – kinda the same story over and over.
I think the effort that goes into the game wraps
is probably equal or greater than the effort made to field a competitve team right now. I’m amazed at the years of effort Canishoopus (and Britt Robson in years past) put into it.
Might be another TWB guy in disguise
just signed up yesterday and immediately goes into criticism mode. The act is really getting old.
I'm actually pretty consistently amazed...
By the amount of effort and thought that goes into this blog, from numerous people, despite the mind-numbing quality of blowout loss after blowout loss. I can’t say I agree with your statement in the least.
Neither do I
Mikegrand’s reacting to the tiny window he has on things, that’s all.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
I Have an Idea for You
Start your own T-Wolves blog! I’m sure you will do much better!
You know what? Even the most diehard T-Wolves fans have had enough. We don’t need in depth analysis and notes from every game. We all want the season over. Period.
I haven't enjoyed the Wolves this much since Jimmy Rodgers was the coach.
by SBG on Apr 8, 2010 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Don Nelson is ugly enough
without showing his midriff. Such much for just “throwing up in my mouth a little.” Projectile vomiting induced by the Nellie Belly.
"Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." Steven Wright
Went to the game...
On this night, at least, the difference between Flynn and Curry was shooting range and the defense they were facing. The Wolves defended the pick and roll terribly and could’ve walked out with a win had they at least stopped the layups or gave some fouls that prevented the layup from going up.
Other than that, I don’t know what to say about Anthony Tolliver. When a 42% shooter shoots 64% while mainly taking the most inefficient shot in basketball (jump shots just inside the arc), a team just has to tip their hat to him to a certain extent. It’s surprising, though, that they didn’t cover him more closely.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Apr 7, 2010 10:53 PM CDT reply actions
We tip our hats a lot. It's only etiquette when marginal forwards are ripping you apart so often.
Seriously, Anthony Tolliver went off for 20 points before the game was a third over. At some point the steady procession of so-so perimeter forward types putting up career nights against Minnesota has turned into a funeral march.
I’m all for being polite, though. At least Tolliver had the grace to look as if he was working for his points. Curry, on the other hand, was loose and smooth as could be. The kid held himself, moved, like the entire game was warm-ups. The looong, long three where he stepped back on Hollins epitomized that game.
"It has come to the editor’s attention that the Herald-Leader neglected to cover the civil rights movement. We regret the omission."
It reminds me of the Days of Wally
You’d hear about the Wolves losing due to some guy of whom you’d never heard getting a career high in points, and then you’d realize that Szerbiak was “guarding” him most of the night.
I'm glad you posted this
I have wanted to bring up Wally World and his defense many times, but have wondered if others felt the same. When I see people wanting to draft another PG and use Flynn as a SG I just see Wally World all over again. Now when I drool over the thought of Evan Turner being a Wolf I know I can comment on his defense being way better than Wally’s!
Thank you!
not to mention
Not ot mention Curry’s greater Basketball IQ, Handles, Court Vision, finishing skills, outside hot, fee throw shooting. Aw heck just about evrything about Curry’s game is far superior to Flynn. Me thinks the Wolves drafted the wrong guy.
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by StinkyFingers on Apr 8, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
the difference between Curry and Flynn was much more than shooting range and Flynn having to go up against the fierce GSW defense. It’s night and day.
You're exaggerating
I didn’t say the Warriors’ defense was fierce; I said the Wolves’ defense was terrible. Do you really think the Warriors’ layups on the pick and roll and the Wolves’ lack of layups was due to Curry? Please. Those guys were wide open due to bad rotations. As for night and day, yes, obviously Flynn did nothing good last night. He went what, 1-15 with 7 TOs and no assists, right? Oh wait.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Apr 8, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I now see that he had 6 TOs...
So that part was correct. But Curry and Flynn were very similar in eFG% and TS%, and Flynn’s assist% was respectable at 31% while Curry’s was padded by the awful D. They weren’t “night and day.”
by pagingstanleyroberts on Apr 8, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Well your starting point was that you were at the game
not that you were reading the box scores. And really, in watching them play you don’t see a huge difference in their play? These are the two teams I really watch, so I’ve seen a bunch of Flynn and a bunch of Curry, and there is a huge difference in their smoothness, their ability to get separation for a shot, their vision, facilitation etc. I just don’t see how you can say that you watched them play and the only difference you could see in their games was shooting range.
Curry is soooooo much better than Flynn
it’s not even funny. I don’t like Curry at all and didn’t want us to draft him. With that said, anyone should clearly be able to see how much better Curry is. I mean, it’s obvious in every facet.
by College Wolf on Apr 8, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Undisclosed "personal reason"
We Are the Washington Generals
by Eric in Madison on Apr 8, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions
AA meeting?
Actually, I’m not poking fun at him. If I had to guess, there are going to be a lot of meetings/court dates/etc. in that guy’s offseason.
you have to admit
that Jonny has played better over the last week. He’s still a turn over machine, but he has looked better, maybe he’s starting to finally get the speed of the game?
Curry
was fun to watch — looked like his old Davidson self — probably because his opponents played about as well as Davidson’s.
Darko’s jump hook was falling, last night. The more that shot goes down, the more expendable Jefferson becomes. That is something to watch in these last few games.
Glad to see FIVE Kentucky guys are entering the draft and might go in the Top 20. This should add value to the Wolves picks at 16 and 24.
Darko over his last 10 games
27.4 mpg, 10.8 ppg on .505 shooting, 5.1 rebounds (35% of which are offensive rebounds, on average), 2 assists, 1.2 steals, and 1.5 blocks.
Per 36 those numbers are:
14.2 pts, 6.7 boards, 2.6 asts, 1.6 stls, 2 blks
"Thankfully, they are not straw-colored brain bats."
He's a black hole
Once the ball goes into Darko on the post it doesn’t come back out.
Maybe the stats back you up on this
But I have seen him make some great passes for wide open threes. He seems to shoot when he should from what I have seen (of course with the TV schedule and having a life that is probably only about ten games).
Darko's jump hook
isn’t good enough frankly. Because he creates zero contact and never gets to the line, he effectively sports a TS% of 50% which is below average and contributes to our overall offensive inefficiency as a team. He needs to be hitting that little hook at a much better rate for him to justify getting that many attempts. I don’t think Darko should ever be relied upon for much offense. I never thought I’d find a softer low post player than Al Jefferson (well, other than LMA…), but lo and behold we managed to find a guy with even less of a propensity to draw fouls in Darko. Again, I love his passing and defensive presence, but that’s about it. He’s a 25 minute per game Center.
by Rascal Flatts on Apr 8, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
SnP
I can tell you are very bitter about the wolves passing on Curry for Flynn. It’s seething through your recap.
Is it that obvious ;)
From last year’s draft board:
For long-time readers of the site, it should come as no surprise that I am a big Stephen Curry fan and I would like nothing more than to see Curry line up in a Wolves uniform in November. With a current starting back court of Sebastian Telfair and Bobby Brown, and with Mike Miller, Randy Foye, and Rashad McCants no longer with the team, the Wolves are in a bad, bad need of someone who can shoot the rock. Curry is not J.J. Redick 2.0. He has legit lead-guard abilities and a skill that will keep him in the league for a long, long time no matter how he pans out: he can shoot the damn ball.
And from before that:
Stephen Curry is the 2nd best player in this draft. This one got some steam when Blake Griffin told the world that he believes Curry is Numero Dos next to his Top Dog, but we have rated Curry as the 2nd best player for a long time. Curry is going to be an amazing ball-dominant scoring point guard in the NBA. He will not be faced with the double and triple teams he saw at Davidson and the NBA’s perimeter defensive rules will allow his hesitation-based pick and roll game to become an influential player—-operating as a sort of inverted Tony Parker by making a living off of mid-range pick and roll jumpers and threes (as opposed to Parkers mid-range pick and roll jumpers and layups). If Curry is on the board at #6, you take him and don’t let go.
It will always burn.
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Although..
…to be fair, once Rubio is in their pocket, I did (and do) think that Derozan was the missed pick. They have zero wing talent.
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but is Derozan
really going to be that good? I know the need at the position, but there were just crap wing talent in last year’s draft. Only marginally better in this draft. Last year was the draft of the PG, this year is the draft of the PF/C.
That’s why I think it is so important to be able to nab turner at the top so we maybe get another 2/3 or 3/4 and a nice 4/5 project that will be value picks. But what the h do I know.
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by TheEvilProfessor on Apr 8, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
It's the Rubio gamble
Curry is going to be fantastic as a lead guard a’la Tony Parker. He’s going to need a high usage rate that I don’t think you can get away with once (hopefully) Rubio is on the team. I completely agree with that sentiment (if it was what drove the Flynn pick). What I don’t agree with is then not taking the best wing player with Lawson still on the board and a pick in the teens. Curry/DeRozan/Blair would have been a haul. Rubio/DeRozan/Lawson would have been a haul. Maybe it works out for the best if Flynn can accept the bench role (and this could still happen), but it will always bug me that they probably could have ended up with the 2nd best player in the draft who would have perfectly complimented Kevin Love. That being said, that entire draft was all about Rubio and Kahn is all in on the kid. I’m not sure I buy the notion that Kahn says Evans was their guy. I’m fairly convinced it was Rubio all along and he fell into their laps.
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well then
let’s hope another player happens to fall in their laps too. Although honestly the one player other than curry that really intrigues me is Roddy Buckets. Jonny like athleticism but more length. If you need someone other than Rubio to guard the freaky fast PGs in the NBA, he may have been that guy.
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by TheEvilProfessor on Apr 8, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I pretty much agree...
the problem with that draft is that there were so many point guards that were essentially indistinguishable, and the likelihood that someone like Flynn would be better than someone like Jrue Holiday was pretty small. So, a non-point guard was really the way to go at #6. DeRozan had the most upside of the non-pg’s. Whether he reaches it or not remains to be seen.
I will say this, though — fans would probably not like DeRozan this year. He is not as good as Jonny Flynn, right now, and he would have been expected to produce right away, when Love was out, and Jefferson was looking terrible (for early part of year, he was really bad.) Flynn played okay in that role and I don’t think DeRozan would have done well at all. He might have had a terrible experience here as a rookie with that kind of weight on his shoulders.
If somehow we make it out of this mess with something like
Rubio
Turner
Brewer
Love/Jefferson
Darko/Jefferson
Flynn
Ellington
(someone decent with Charlotte Pick)
…Steph Curry will be a moot point. The Wolves will have the talent to work toward deep playoff runs, and Curry will be playing for the most dysfunctional ownership in pro basketball, barely edging out the Knicks and Clippers.
Maybe we can ask for
Derozan with the S&T to get Bosh.
Maybe the way to think about that pick is value over fit
You’re right, bad pick for the Wolves with the BPAs all PGs, but none definitively better than a guy who would be available 10 picks later. DeRozan could have been smart, but the chances he is the answer at the 2 are minimal. So if they’re all in on Rubio, don’t they try for high value with the 6 pick? You don’t really need him to be the perfect backup, and ideally you want more than that from #6. So maybe he’s the guy you showcase for 2 years and deal when Rubio is ready. The problem is that they did not pick the guy who will have the resale value. Are teams going to be clammoring for Flynn? The DeRozan pick could still work, but only if you thought you’d get value back once you find your guy at wing. And I’ve never really bought into DeRozan’s game.
Maybe the highest value for that pick was trading it draft day and dealing down for Holiday/Lawson/Collison etc. It’s very possible, however, no teams were that excited about what was on the table unless they were hard for Curry. So, maybe the best value was picking a guy who would bring something once you got your guys in place, and could get showcased on a development-focused team. It seems like the way to go, but how is that guy Flynn? He’s been outplayed by enough of his fellow rookies that i don’t see how he brings much in return.
And, as someone else posted, I don’t understand why you want your bench PG to be that different than your starter. Don’t you want all your PGs to run the offense and play defense?
I think
Evans was the guy going into the draft, because Kahn naturally assumed one of the teams above would be smart enough to grab Rubio. Once Rubio slid, he definitely was all in on Rubio, for good reason.
It’s hindsight (although I also liked Curry as a shooter), but the guy to pick after Rubio was still Curry. Could have used him for a couple years and then traded him…although I suppose Kahn thought at the time he had a chance at getting Rubio and didn’t want to screw it up by having Curry. This is a take we have kind of forgotten over the last nine months.
smolder, smolder and repeat...for eternity
:)
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by TheEvilProfessor on Apr 8, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
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