Wolves Updates 5/1
by SG on May 1, 2010 8:25 AM CDT
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Flynn named to All-Rookie Second Team, Pistons source says Ronzone to join team as asst GM and more
From Jonah Ballow/Timberwolves site: Flynn Named to All-Rookie Second Team
Minnesota Timberwolves guard Jonny Flynn has been named to the 2009-10 T-Mobile NBA All-Rookie Team, the National Basketball Association announced earlier today. Flynn was named to the Second Team after averaging 13.5 points (5th among rookies), 4.4 assists (5th) and 1.0 steals (7th) per game.
The T-Mobile NBA All-Rookie Teams were selected by a voting panel consisting of the NBA’s 30 head coaches...
2009-10 T-MOBILE NBA ALL-ROOKIE FIRST TEAM
Tyreke Evans Sacramento
Brandon Jennings Milwaukee
Stephen Curry Golden State
Darren Collison New Orleans
Taj Gibson Chicago
2009-10 T-MOBILE NBA ALL-ROOKIE SECOND TEAM
Marcus Thornton New Orleans
DeJuan Blair San Antonio
James Harden Oklahoma City
Jonny Flynn Minnesota
Jonas Jerebko Detroit
From Jerry Zgoda/Star Tribune:
Jonny Flynn was named today to the NBA's All Rookie second team, joining such former Timbewolves as Kevin Garnett (really?), Kevin Love, Craig Smith and Felton Spencer to be named to that team.
From Vincent Goodwill/ The Detroit News:
Pistons director of basketball operations Tony Ronzone will become the assistant general manager of the Minnesota Timberwolves, according to a team source.
From Vince Ellis/Detroit Free Press:
Director of scouting Tony Ronzone will leave the Pistons to join the front office with the Minnesota Timberwolves. Known for his international scouting connections, Ronzone just completed his ninth season with the Pistons -- the past five as director of scouting. Currently, there are no plans to replace Ronzone.
From Chad Ford's twitter account:
From David Berri/Wages Of Win Journal:
Jennings, though, is much more productive than Jonny Flynn. With the 6th pick in the 2008 NBA draft, the Minnesota Timberwolves selected Flynn. And although he finished fourth in scoring in this rookie class – and earned two third place votes for Rookie of the Year — Flynn finished the season with -1.4 Wins Produced and a -0.030 WP48.
From Roman Augustoviz/Star Tribune:
That prediction seems a certainty. Martinez played two minutes for the Lynx on July 7, 2005, then left the next day to join Spain's national team. "It was important to us, so I made the decision," said Martinez, 26. "Now I have grown up a little, so I think it will be better."
She has played for Spain in the past two Olympics. In Beijing in 2008, she also watched Timberwolves draft pick Ricky Rubio play for her country's men's team. "I like how [Rubio] plays," she said. "He reads a lot of situations. I always learn something from each player I like."
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Jonny joins KG on the All Rookie second team. If only he’d been good enough to keep company with luminaries like Laettner, Rider, and Szczerbiak on the first team.
And yes, KG was second team. Joe Smith was Rookie of the Year that season. Again, perspective.
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Also--
don’t forget that it was just three years ago that Randy Foye made the first team. This list shows that for most teams, getting a player on the NBA All Rookie team usually foretold a high level of success for both the player and the team.
Except for the Wolves.
That's incompetence, though
None of the guys besides maybe Foye who made the first team for the Wolves (which also includes Marbury) were terrible players; all of them started for playoff teams after they were gone. It’s just that they made a combustible mix and weren’t able to carry a team, which is true for about 1/3 to 1/2 of the guys on the list. McCloskey wasn’t a good GM, and McHale was good with his 90s lotto picks. Each made the mistake of not factoring in personality and/or potential.
by pagingstanleyroberts on May 1, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, since Brian Scalabrine has started for a playoff team
does achieving that particular benchmark do anything to prove a player’s value?
What about All Star appearances? Marbury, Laettner, Rider, Pooh Richardson(!), Craig Smith, Foye, Felton Spencer(!), Kevin Love, and Garnett all made first or second All Rookie teams as Timberwolves. Other than Garnett, Marbury had two All Star appearances, Laettner and Szerbiak had one. None of these players other than KG had, have or will have an NBA career that could be considered “remarkable” (jury’s still out on Love).
The reason most of these guys made the team is that they were generally older, experienced players who were drafted highly and got a lot of minutes for a crappy team. For most of them, it was the highlight of their careers.
That's just a really, really excellent point
which is why I made it when I stated:
Other than Garnett, Marbury had two All Star appearances, Laettner and Szerbiak had one.
And I apparently think
that if you hit the “POST” button twice, the comment will be twice as effective.
That's just a really, really excellent point
which is why I made it when I stated:
Other than Garnett, Marbury had two All Star appearances, Laettner and Szerbiak had one.
Yes, let's pick an extreme example to refute the point
Scalabrine has started 61 games in 9 seasons. He’s started 3 total playoff games in 5 playoff years, all of them coming with the 8-seed 04-05 Nets where they for some reason brought Richard Jefferson off the bench even though Jefferson played a lot more minutes and finished the games. Laettner, Rider, Marbury, and Szczerbiak all started for playoff teams throughout the regular season and playoffs. The first 3 were among the team leaders in at least points and in some cases rebounds and assists. Huge difference.
You’re simplifying my argument: the guys I mentioned were good players by NBA standards, and they showed it later on because they were consistent starters on playoff teams after they left the Wolves. They weren’t consistent All-Stars, but they all could play. I didn’t say these guys had as good of careers as the top players on those All-Rookie teams, but a quick glance indicates that 1/3 to 1/2 of the guys on the All-Rookie first team weren’t consistent All-Stars.
by pagingstanleyroberts on May 1, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I get what you're saying
but, eh. Again, there almost as many below-average guys on the Wolves All Rookie players (Foye, Spencer, Smith) as there are above-average players. Two of the better ones (Rider and Marbury) could be named to the All Time NBA Cancer Team (and not for their work in raising money for The Cure).
As sad as it is for a Wolves fan to say at this point, I still don’t think “making the playoffs” is any big deal, either, since not only do more than half the NBA teams make the playoffs, but every season a couple of .500 teams get in.
No, I get what you're saying
but, eh. Again, there almost as many below-average guys on the Wolves All Rookie players (Foye, Spencer, Smith) as there are above-average players. Two of the better ones (Rider and Marbury) could be named to the All Time NBA Cancer Team (and not for their work in raising money for The Cure).
As sad as it is for a Wolves fan to say at this point, I still don’t think “making the playoffs” is any big deal, either, since not only do more than half the NBA teams make the playoffs, but every season a couple of .500 teams get in.
*cues duffman song*
BetterLaettner
by BetterLaettnerThanRider on May 1, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Not saying Flynn's going to ever be more than a low level starter
or 6th man, but maybe this can at least be seen as proof that the Flynn pick wasn’t the unmitigated disaster too many seem to believe. He was the 6th player selected, finished on the 2nd team after a season, sounds about right to me.
Exactly
Well said Rumblebee. I think wolves fans have been hoping for a superstar so badly that anything less is a disappointment. That’s not Flynn’s fault.
by Laine Gebhardt on May 1, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Poor Ty Lawson
First he gets held off the Rookie team for All-Star Weekend, now he can’t buy a spot on the 2nd team. The voters are as incompetent as ever.
I don't know how Collison made 1st Team.
He sure didn’t impress me in the Lakers series.
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I thought it was..
….a keen joke about the bad rebounding position that Nick had against Pau….you should have rolled with it as is ;)
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