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Recap of Workout Week

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While it wasn't quite up to the high bar of last year's Point Guard Battle Royale, the Wolves were host to a 4-day session of workouts that saw a bucket load of basketball dignitaries descend upon Target Center to watch mid-to-late (and beyond) first round prospects duel against one another in three-on-three action, drills, and more.  We had a chance to make it out to 600 First Avenue for the final day of action and we put in some pre-workout footwork to have some contacts who could give us updates throughout the week.  Our thoughts on the week's events are below the fold.

Star-divide

First and foremost, there wasn't a "holy crap, we have to have this guy" player present at the proceedings this week.  While there were a few guys who turned some heads, there wasn't anyone who showed a type of game that was different than what was expected or who played at a level above and beyond what anyone had thought was possible. 

That being said, there were a few guys who made an impression:

Lazar Haywood: Call it the Wes Matthews effect.  Haywood impressed with his size and his ability to play all over the court.  He's not the most skilled player in the world, but he appears to be a guy that could give solid rotation minutes in an area the Wolves need help in the most: the wing. The Wolves' Jonah Ballow interviewed Haywood after his workout:

Question: You played with Wesley Matthews at Marquette who has had a pretty good start to his NBA career, how does that help you? Have you talked to him about the process of making the jump to the league? 
Hayward: "I have been keeping in touch with him all year long. He did a great job, you couldn't write a better story for him. He basically told me to be in the best shape, play hard, make sure I don't try to do too much, play defense. Just reminding me of the little things that teams care about." 

Question: With Marquette's style they were a little bit undersized which forced you to the four, could you jump to the two or three in the league? 
Hayward: "Naturally I'm a three but because of our size at Marquette I had to play the four. I think it helped me a little bit, it showed that I could play different positions and be tough and play bigger guys. It's no problem naturally to play the three. A lot of teams are skeptical because they haven't seen me play, which is fair. I just have to get in the gym and get my little fundamental skills back." 

Question: How do you fit in with the Timberwolves? 
Hayward: "I know Jonny (Flynn). I grew up with him. I know Wayne (Ellington), played him on the circuit. I think I fit in real well with those guys. I'll come in and guard whoever we need to guard, rebound the ball. I don't have to score. I'll do whatever the team wants me to do."

Lance Stephenson:

He's not the highest jumper (I literally have a higher no-step vertical), or quickest wing player, but Wolves new assistant GM Tony Ronzone quickly summed up what we heard over and over about Stephenson: "he's tough...he'd bounce off of [all you guys] and score....he [has the frame] to get to the rim."  Stephenson comes with a lot of baggage, but according to everything we heard, he was humbled in his freshman year and he has shown himself to be a young man willing to work for his spot in the NBA.  The words "a poor man's Tyreke Evans" were used in regard to Mr. Stephenson.  There were also several comments made about his ability to operate in the lane and in the mid-range game in the NBA.  He has decent length and good size for the 2 guard position.  FWIW, I'm really hoping the Wolves find a way to get this guy on their roster.  He's like a Ryan Gomes at the 2.  I know it's not much, but he is someone who is comfortable with the ball in his hands and that is worth something.  Jonah's interview with Stephenson is here.

Samardo Samuels:

OK, I won't spend much time on this one, but the guy is a nice looking power forward with ok size and a fantastic motor.  As for the Wolves...well, if they draft a power forward or a point guard not named Wall, you should be pissed.

Random thoughts

  • I did not expect Dork Elvis to be so tall.
  • It's really weird to watch the Celtics/Orlando game on TV and then to find yourself face to face with Danny Ainge in Minneapolis. 
  • It was equally weird to see Dork Elvis walking a few  footsteps ahead of Derek Jeter in downtown Minneapolis on the way back to the parking garage. 
  • Charles Garcia is a nice project, but he is a man without a position.  He'll likely end up at the 4 in the NBA but he'd be best served at the 3.  His ball handling skills are upper level for a big forward, but he lacks the strength to really guard the 4 and the quickness to really guard the 3 in the NBA.  
  • Omar Samhan deserves a roster spot in the NBA.  The guy couldn't be a better interview and he is very self aware about a) him being valuable for his interview and b) his need to out-hustle everyone else.  He isn't quite as big as I thought he would be, but he appears to be the type of guy who will keep a locker room loose and work hard in practice.  He's my top pick for the 2nd round.  If anyone deserves a shot in the D-League, it's Samhan...plus, I can't say enough about how good of a quote the guy is.  "We're all just overpaid kids" was my favorite.  The dude has worked hard and he'll continue to do so.  That has to be worth something in a 6'11" package.
  • Avoid Willie Warren
  • Avoid Scottie Reynolds and Luke Harangody.
  • Dennis Clemente will work his way to the NBA. 
  • Jarvis Varnado was more disappointing than I expected. 
  • Grevis Vasquez is going to be a nice NBA role player.  
  • It's still kind of funny to see a room full of 40 something giants in track suits. 
  • Bill Laimbeer deserves to be an NBA coach.
  • Tony Ronzone knows what the hell he is doing. The guy sounds competent in an interview and his peers have nothing but good things to say about him.  While Kahn still has a bit of a used car salesman to him, Ronzone is the best front office hire the team has made in a long, long time.  He's the best outsider they've had since Casey. 
  • The Wolves have come a long way with their on-line offerings.  Jonah has put together a nice draft page on the official site.  Knowing what we know about the team's thoughts on new media, Jonah is to be commended for his work on the team's official site. 
  • The Portland TrailBlazers guys are nice as can be. They really are hard to root against. 

Finally, It is beyond cool when you meet someone who reads the site and thinks that you have smart readers.  Thank you to everyone for taking part with the site.  The words "the pulse of the team," "smart fans," and "a really good fan base" were used by people we never thought read the site. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 

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I don't know why, but I like Denis Clemente a lot.

I would want to take him with our 2nd round pick if possible.

by KGMN on May 28, 2010 10:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Saw a lot of Lazar Hayward this year, and thought he might have an NBA role

He can really shoot it. He was a volume 3 point guy this year, and his 35% is a little misleading because he had to take a lot of challenged 3s. Still, he made his share.

He’s really built, very strong body, is fairly springy, can take a hit, can use his strength on D, and can make 3s. He’ll find a place.

We Are the Washington Generals

by Eric in Madison on May 28, 2010 10:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm curious as well

what kinds of people do we have reading this site? And by “what kinds” I mean “who specifically, I want the exact names.”

Buckeyes are red, Wildcats are blue,
I wanted Evan Turner, But DeMarcus Cousins will do.

by Mplax on May 28, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

What can they say?

They love home-cooked Korean food.

by PoorDick on May 29, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't be modest

They might come for the Korean recipes, but they stay for you.

We Are the Washington Generals

by Eric in Madison on May 29, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's the MAYNHOLUP effect

at first it’s annoying and you wonder why wasted your time reading it, but then you find yourself strangely addicted to it. Either that or we’ve discovered that the NBA is full of perv’s googling “Gay”, “Love”, and “Rentboy.com”. I think it’s probably the former though.

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on May 29, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maynholup:

the gateway drug to CH. Now let’s all get thowed.

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain

by uncle rico on May 29, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK

so if Maynhol is the gateway drug, then PD is the dessert (modest, of course).

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain

by uncle rico on May 29, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had a few people..

…tell me that they hope we have a lot fewer recipes next year .

Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on May 29, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

we just had the spinach last night, and it was pretty tasty, so maybe a few :)

by rickyp on May 29, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

couple questions

can you expand on Warren?

What happened to guys like Paul George & Luke Babbitt who are supposed to participate – did they work out individually or bail entirely? I know George had tweeted about being in town.

by Jumping to Pass on May 28, 2010 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Warren..

….should have cashed out last year when he had the chance and an All American playing next to him. The guy is a poor man’s Foye. I didn’t hear much about George other than that he worked out for the Blazers with Dominique Jones.

Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on May 29, 2010 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could you expand in a sentence or two

your opinions on Willie Warren and why Bill Laimbeer deserved a spot? He’s obviously had tons of experience so I believe it, just wondering what it was that makes you say this.

Buckeyes are red, Wildcats are blue,
I wanted Evan Turner, But DeMarcus Cousins will do.

by Mplax on May 28, 2010 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Willie Warren is Randy Foye

Same height, basically the same length (or lack thereof), same game. Warren is stuck as a tweener just like Foye….not long or athletic enough to be a great shooting guard, not instinctual enough to be a point guard.

I feel kind of bad, because he is a good kid and will help a team out in the right circumstances. But we’ve already got huge problems on the wings…..an undersized combo guard is not going to fit with us now any more than Foye did then.

by Oceanary on May 29, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

We've probably been underselling the importance of "length" to our current FO

Rambis and Kahn both, on coming into the Wolves’ situation, seem to have tested the wind and added “roster too short” up at the top of their lists.

For example, in that interview with Barreiro, Kahn talked about deciding on Stephen Curry. Essentially he said they were skeptical about Curry as a point guard, projected him as mostly a two, and thought 6-3 would maybe only add to the problem of their short roster. And yes, he then acknowledged that Flynn’s an NBA runt – but he’s a one and has a position. The two messages were: roster needs height, players need not to be caught between positions. It may be a rationalization for the choice between those two players, but it does also reflect the sense Kahn had of his roster’s problems.

Hollins would be another great example.

"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR

by feral on May 29, 2010 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I remember Kahn saying something to that extent. Curry was saying he was not a 1 himself. Still not sure Curry was right about himself though; I’d think he’d be a good point.

Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009

by Wim (Belgium) on May 29, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

He had 14 assists a week before the end of the year against us.

Curry put up 10+ dimes nine times last year.

"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR

by feral on May 29, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's also no way..

….on god’s green earth he’s anywhere near 6’4". He’s 6’2" at best.

Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on May 29, 2010 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Web oddity aside

These height debates sometime flare up in basketball. Sometimes we post images – the one of Rubio on draft night – and compare people’s postures and so on. Very silly.

I followed the thread on one such debate a while ago and discovered an entire database-driven site of comments in which people debated the heights of famous people. People like Tom Cruise…. or Joseph Stalin:

bogger says on 21/Feb/10
A women on antiques roadshow said her 5’2 grandmother was the same height as stalin.

TJ says on 24/Feb/10
I saw that too bogger and I was immediately struck by how often silly women in large heels say “Ooh I could look him right in the eye.” I don’t for one second believe that the 5’2 grandmother was the same height as Stalin.

hmm says on 26/Feb/10
I think more Mao was around 175-176 cm.

"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR

by feral on May 29, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

that and having a nice big block of ice for a heart.

I hear that helps…I know it’s helped Kobe.

A Darko Fan since 2010!

by TheEvilProfessor on May 30, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's argue the relative merits of "reach" and "grasp" in despotic leaders.

"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR

by feral on May 30, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great to hear about Ronzone. It’s comforting to know the Wolves finally have an evaluator/personel guru on the payroll.

by jianfu on May 28, 2010 11:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Lance Stephenson reminds me of Paul Pierce

Just a physical bull on the court. Not overwhelmingly quick or athletic, but strong….able to get where he wants when he wants to, and hit the shot when he gets there. I still have a ton of reservations about his maturity, but if he’s worth strong consideration at 16 and pretty much impossible to not take at 23.

by Oceanary on May 29, 2010 1:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Play hard, stick to your role, play defense

The core summary of Jerry Sloan basketball. Not that his team is always successful with the defense part, but Wes Matthews sure learned fast and well this year.

by Oceanary on May 29, 2010 1:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Congrats on the praise for the site

Has to be great validation with all the time put into it. I discovered it about a year ago, and Hoopus has been invaluable as my virtual Timberwolves support group. (And we need a support group with the way the past half dozen seasons have played out.)

by Punisher#8 on May 29, 2010 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Same here

Sometime between the lottery and draft day I, too, discovered CH. First impression: this is not your grandpa’s sports blog. The analysis and discussion here blew me away. Another tip of the hat to SnP, Wyn, and all the usual suspects.

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain

by uncle rico on May 29, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Danke..

…to both of you. We have always maintained that the real good part about this site is the community aspect of it. We always make sure to pitch it as such and it’s our A1 selling point for any request with the team: the site is a decent sized sampling of the only remaining fans.

Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on May 29, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the community part,

but there is definitely a role in framing the whole thing that isn’t as simple as it looks.

"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR

by feral on May 29, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The comments about CH are gratifying

not in the sense of “hey we’re running the team!”, but rather that they understand that as a 15-win, low-attendance club with no marquee players, they can’t afford to adopt any semblance of arrogance toward people who are willing to waste spend hundreds of unpaid hours a year discussing the past, present, and future of the Wolves.

And who knows—for every few dozen WE SHOULD SIGN LEBRON!!!! comments, there may be a crowdsourced idea or two that they wouldn’t have otherwise considered.

by PoorDick on May 29, 2010 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and

the Wolves should definitely sign LeBron.

by PoorDick on May 29, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA YEAH RIGHT!

There’s no way LeBron would EVER sign with the Wolves. The T-Wolves are the worst team ever!! I stopped watching them after they traded away Ricky Davis.

If Kevin McHale knew what he was doing then he would offer Love, Jefferson, and Brewer for Melo RIGHT NOW!

Talking myself into DeMarcus Cousins since 5/18/10

by Blakeley on May 29, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah

good times, good times.

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on May 29, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does this mean

we’re all getting a cut of the Google AdSense pie? ;)

The words “the pulse of the team,” “smart fans,” and “a really good fan base” were used by people we never thought read the site. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on May 29, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

we'll use our...

…massive profits to buy two pitchers of beer for everyone during next year’s hoopus night.

Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on May 29, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hoopus Night 2010-11

I’m hoping that we can avoid a holiday weekend this year as well as give me time in advance to purchase a plane ticket back to Minneapolis :)

by Ebomb on May 29, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you do,

I’ll buy you a Wolves jersey with “TURNER & BRAND” on the back . . .

by PoorDick on May 29, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent, I accept your generous offer.

I am moving further from civilization to Spokane Washington in 2 weeks for career opportunities, so a trip back to the metropolis of Minneapolis/St. Paul will be a welcome respite from the desolate Mountain West. The benefit however is I am moving just in time for Hoopfest which should be quite the spectacle. I’ll also plan on doing some WCC scouting write-ups next season if I can score some Gonzaga tickets.

by Ebomb on May 29, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool--

Is it because you’re going out there to pan for gold? If so, wear your Levis.

by PoorDick on May 29, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some good wine country there...

…and surprisingly, north of there in British Columbia, Okanagan.

Hope you like it.

by timmuggs on May 30, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love this Ronzone guy

he talks like he’s on his 40th cup of coffee. Yet, he’s probably just this excited all the time, with or without supplements.

My main source of hope for this draft is the hiring of Ronzone. Hopefully that’s more than just wishful thinking.

by littleboxes on May 29, 2010 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

As much as Hoiberg seemed like a nice man and a good player, it was hard to feel comfortable with him as the top guy advising Kahn. The Brewer Love, the “Remember January – Keep McHale” stuff.

Similarily, Kahn seems like a smart man and a good deal maker, but it is hard to feel comfortable with him as the top decision maker. That “Flynn is going to be a top defender” prediction is scary moving forward, as was the Hollins signing.

Ronzone seems like an honest to goodness profession talent scout with loads of connections and experience. And since Kahn hired him, he is much more likely to be listened to.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on May 29, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

fwiw...

….hoiberg was a lopez guy and i’m nearly 100% certain flynn wasn’t his guy either. interestingly enough, he was there this week with his isu shirt on.

Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
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by Stop-n-Pop on May 30, 2010 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The more I watch pro ball

the more I become of the opinion that you just stick with players who fit the positions protype unless you think that player is a star. This should be the only exception to that rule in my opinion. If you are picking late in the first round and second round there is no reason to take anyone who doesn’t have a definite position that they can play on both ends.

Versatility is to be valued greatly, but only if it’s in addition to that player not causing you to have to lineup juggle just to keep them from being exposed.

A Darko Fan since 2010!

by TheEvilProfessor on May 30, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting points

Versatility isn’t really versatility if the mismatch isn’t in their favor.

by pagingstanleyroberts on May 31, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

So

McHale wanted a graven image of himself and got his way once the trade with Memphis was agreed upon. That must be a most frustrating part of a position like Hoiberg’s. It’s akin to all the bright people with expertise in the State Department having their insights fall on deaf ears because of political expediency or the whims of their superiors.

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain

by uncle rico on May 30, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

My cognitive dissonance over these observations stems from

the idea that, if he did have the right guys in his sights, he was ignored not just by Kahn but also by McHale before him. For someone who’s always right in retrospect, the guy sure didn’t get listened to in the present and future tenses. His position was supposed to be up at the head of the evaluation process, reporting to the guy with his hand on the switches, too.

Something doesn’t fit about that. It’s as incongruous as his Iowa State shirt.

"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR

by feral on May 30, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is not at all uncommon

in scouting and other professions as well. Unless someone has first-hand knowledge of the actual preferences of the FO, it’s fairly speculative, which we must bear in mind. With a head coach in place this year, it will be interesting to observe the process once again.

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain

by uncle rico on May 30, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

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