What do you really want?
With the draft and free agency approaching, and a classic NBA Finals matchup that shows off a basketball product on another planet of the recent Timberwolves, I find myself asking the question of what I really want to see out of our beloved Woofies. I'll throw out a poll of vague options, but I think it's an interesting discussion, given how incredibly far we are from contending and how incredibly boring it was to watch last year's team.
Option #1 - Put a winner on the floor, as soon as possible.
This option could mean a few different things, but it almost certainly involves a free agent acquisition and/or sign and trade to use our cap space on a veteran that can contribute immediately. Basically, try to get Mike Miller or his equivalent back and forget about the fact that he's 30 years old and won't help us if we ever reach the Finals in 2016. It also means that we consider the possibility of trading Ricky Rubio for less than his perceived/projected long-term value. If we can cash in Ricky Rubio for a sure-thing "good" veteran player, we do it and feel good about flipping Foye-Miller for a better veteran player. It also puts a bit of pressure on Ramon Sessions and Jonny Flynn to take ownership of the point guard position.
Option #2 - Think championship all the way, even if it means three more lottery seasons (at least.)
This option, in all likelihood, means two things: (1) keeping Ricky Rubio, and even building around him, to an extent; and (2) ditching Love or Jefferson. More than anything else, Wolves fans know that there is not a bona fide Option #1A of a title contender on this team. I mean that generally speaking, not just in a "go-to" scorer sort of way. We all saw in 2008 that KG was that player, but just not in the Michael Jordan sense. Ricky Rubio, if he can become a Jason Kidd-type of impact point guard, could be that player, or something close. History has shown that guys like Kidd and Steve Nash can lead teams to 50+ win seasons and deep playoff runs. This option also means taking risks in the draft -- but measured risks. If DeMarcus Cousins or Hassan Whiteside look like world-class idiots (meaning this is how they presented themselves in closed-door interviews) you pass on them, even if they showed off some great abilities in college. But if they seem like good-enough guys that won't cause problems, you pull the trigger. Put simply, you make the responsible pick.
Option #3 - Make the games fun to watch.
This option sounds like a loser, and maybe it is, but there is something to be said for having a fun style of play and some personalities on the court. I rip on Cousins more than anyone around this blog, but I have to admit that I'd enjoy watching him and his antics. It'd be fun to see him mix it up with opponents and even Coach Rambis. If he crosses the line (which I tend to think he will) it could jeopardize the team goals and whatnot, and eventually it'll grow tiring. But, I can say with pretty good certainty that, sort of like Dennis Rodman back in the day, Cousins could be an entertaining show to watch. Also part of this option is getting some real shooters on the team, even if they aren't as "solid" as Damien Wilkins or players of his type. It isn't fun to watch crappy shooters, at all. The lane gets clogged up for our posts and shots never fall. We hardly ever go on long scoring runs. We never go into halftime with a lead, so many of the 2nd Halves are yawners.
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I put build a contender but...
As a season ticket holder I want to see some entertaining play too.
by Timberwolf i.e. Albatross on Jun 15, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah...
problem is, if Kahn really wants to build a contender, it could require more seasons that resemble last year’s. How long will it take before we start talking Harrison Barnes? Scratch that — many of us already have.
I hope not
It seems like there’s a plausible path to respectability for us: pick Cousins at 4; use two of 16, 23, and Pekovic’s rights to trade up for Henry or George; trade the remaining asset for a future 1st rounder; sign a mid-tier FA SG/SF;and re-sign Darko.
That could be a much better team even next year (not playoff quality). Then we hope Jefferson improves his trade value during the season, and move Jefferson (my preference) or Love for another key asset. If/when Rubio shows up, we can trade Sessions or Flynn for another supporting player. At that point, we might have a real team.
I don’t think any part of that plan requires unrealistic trades or unreasonable assumptions about how well prospects will pan out, but it has a decent chance of producing a team that would be a lot better to watch then we saw last year. Is it a contender? Who knows. But I like that plan better than tanking one or two more years and then hoping the ping-pong balls fall the right way.
by Madison Dan on Jun 15, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
What I was trying to get at....
is that “Think championship all the way,” means a vision of these current Finalists and recent champions. Sure, Cousins could be a part of that type of team, but he’s probably not going to be any sort of centerpiece. We need to get multiple superstars. Like, guys who are in the conversation for best player in the league.
If we’re thinking this way, I have to think that we need another very high lottery pick, and we have to hope to get better lottery luck. That would be horrible to watch, just like last year, but I can’t say with a straight face that Rubio-Love-Cousins is the core of a title contender. Throw Barnes, or some other crazy-hyped young wing prospect, in there and maybe that changes.
The other alternative is to go all-in on this draft lottery, and maybe that is what Kahn will do. If he could leave this lottery with Turner and Favors or Cousins, while keeping Rubio, maybe that’s a core of a future contender. Hard to say.
I’m just pretty skeptical that we can build a true contender while putting a quality product on the floor, next season. When Jefferson first came over, I really enjoyed watching his post game, so that distracted me for a while as to how bad we were. Now, his faults are annoying (yes, even to me) and I’m getting more impatient with each 20-point halftime deficit. If we sacrified a little bit of “long-term upside” for some short-term excitement, I wouldn’t be all that upset. But yeah, I don’t want the Bobcats situation either, so I wouldn’t choose Option #1.
OK, I agree with most of that.
The benefits of having one of the few great players plus the draft system (that rewards incompetence) is a problem for the NBA.
It’s more clear to me now how you’ve differentiated your second two options, in which case I’d change my vote to the third one. Given the state of the franchise, I think Kahn has to make the most of his resources this year to improve the product on the floor — not by signing win-now players, but by getting as many long-term pieces as he can.
I agree that we aren’t likely to end up with a championship core that way, but I don’t know that we improve our chances very much by tanking next year and still only ending up with a 20 to 25 percent chance of getting Barnes. Imagine where we’d be a year from now if we had the same type of season we had this year, and drew the third or fourth pick again. That’d be way, way worse than merely ending up with a middling playoff-level team (in a few years) by playing our cards as well as we can this year.
by Madison Dan on Jun 15, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Options 2 and 3 aren't mutually exclusive.
Option 1, on the other hand, is Charlotte Bobcats purgatory.
"Sarchasm": (var. sarcasm) The gap in understanding which occurs when one attempts to be self-deprecating on behalf of others.
All I really want is
a young core of quality players to watch grow and hopefully be able to make a playoff run within the next 2-3 years.
As long as we have a foundation to build upon, I can certainly stand to watch some growing pains. But I really don’t want to go through another season (like last year) of watching players that aren’t in our future plans lose a bunch of games.
I see your point, but is it really true?
Can we stand to watch another terrible season (or 2, or 3) as long as we have a “foundation to build on?”
Mostly, how would we know? This season the team was quite young, mostly—Flynn, a rookie, Brewer, in his 3rd year (though more like his second), Love, in his second year. Plus, Al is 25, Sessions is 24. And we all concluded (rightly) that this is not the core of a winner. Will we be able to tell the difference if we get another couple of 20 win teams, with somewhat different rosters?
This is a good question Andy, though both difficult to ask and difficult to answer. Frankly, I’m leaning toward some version of option 1. I would be hesitant to trade Rubio, but if I could use my cap space plus one of the Brewer/Flynn/Sessions pieces for a veteran with something left (a Deng type, or even maybe Maggette), use my later picks to get a more established guy like Fernandez, sort out the Love/Jefferson issue, bring on only 1 rookie (the 4th pick, though using Love to get Turner is something you think about), I would not hate that sort of off-season.
We Are the Washington Generals
by Eric in Madison on Jun 15, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
One Rubio-trade possibility...
would be Jefferson and Rubio for Danny Granger. Would Indiana do that? Should we? We could have:
Ramon Sessions
Corey Brewer
Danny Granger
Kevin Love
DeMarcus Cousins
Jonny Flynn
Wayne Ellington
Hassan Whiteside (?)
I don’t see that team winning any championships, but I certainly see it winning a lot more than our recent teams — at least if Cousins stays healthy (mentally and physically). That’s the sort of Rubio trade I was thinking of, in Option #1. Get a guy like Granger and try to get this team into the playoffs, asap.
No
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Please, dear god, no.
If anyone wants to use this post as my application for the “over-valuers of Ricky Rubio” club, so be it.
by Madison Dan on Jun 15, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, I'm not recommending that trade...
but frankly, I’m surprised to see that you don’t like it. You hate Al Jefferson and you challenge anybody who considers Rubio to be a real asset of this team. You must really not like Danny Granger.
I don't hate Al Jefferson
I don’t think he belongs on a young, bad, low-revenue team.
I view Ricky Rubio’s rights as an asset. I don’t think drafting him signifies any great skill of David Kahn.
Rubio's value
Would you consider trading Rubio for a high pick in this draft? Like, say Philly takes Derrick Favors and we can trade Rubio and the 16th Pick to New Jersey for Evan Turner… do you do that?
I have this weird feeling that Kahn is going to take Johnson at 4, but try his hardest to move up for another Top-4 Pick. If he does that, Rubio might be the only piece to get him there. The Russian wants a worldwide following, and Rubio’s going to get him that a lot more than Favors or Turner. I think Taylor would settle for an upper midwest following with Evan Turner.
Kahn told us
going into the season that this was basically a wasted season. New GM and new coach seeing what they had by evaluating the leftovers from the previous regime. Kahn never tried to sell the fans that last year’s team was the future, in fact he did much of the opposite. So as we watched dismal play we did so with the knowledge that the players were doing nothing more than auditioning for their jobs.
So while I can’t really say how Kahn should go about setting our expectations for this coming season (and seasons down the road), I can say how he shouldn’t do it, and that’s by making us endure what we did last year. At least tell the fans (and probably more importantly the players) that they are the future. Even if it’s only a half-truth, at least then I can get behind the team.
I don't think the 3 options are mutually exclusive.
I would expect that the team will win more games this year with no trades at all. Healthy Al, in-shape Darko, and another year under the belt for Flynn, Love, and Brewer, and added talent from the draft should get more wins (how many more is up for debate).
But my expectation for this season is that Kahn adds a lot more talent (at least 1 high level prospect [Cousins, Johnson, etc] and preferably 1 strong vet [Gay?] ) while rebalancing the team to his Showtime vision.
If he does that, the team should accomplish 1 and 3(probably can’t sniff playoffs yet), while furthering the possibility of contending after Rubio gets here.
I voted #2. Here’s the overall problem with winning now: those who say they want the team to win will also be the first to criticize their team when they reach their ultimate ceiling and continually fall short of the title. I watched every season of the KG Playoff Era and every season since. Obviously, those years were better, but it was pretty clear that they’d have to do what they did in ’03 to even sniff a title, and they paid the price the next season by not even making the playoffs.
I also don’t think this franchise has to rely on luck to be a perennial contender; they need good players who are committed to a good system and play as a team. The main reason the mid-decade Pistons only won 1 title was because their front office didn’t sell high on their players, who weren’t stars but started to think they were because they won 1 title. If this FO built according to that model and learned from the mistakes that franchise made that resulted in their failure to get multiple rings, that would be good enough for me.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jun 15, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions
The poll results...
look like “Build a Contender” is the runaway winner. I suspect that there is some “have your cake and eat it, too” going on, since I doubt many of those voters are willing to sit through another season like the last one. In other words, we need to be exciting now, and champions, later. That challenge is yours, David Kahn.

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