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Wolves Updates 6/18 Part 2


Kahn says it's unlikely team will trade 4th pick, Hoopsworld "hearing" Big Al's name in possible draft day trade scenarios, Wolves want Rubio to feel like part of the team, more draft workouts and more

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From Charley Walters/Pioneer Press:

The NBA draft is Thursday, and there are have all sorts of rumors about the Minnesota Timberwolves trading their No. 4 overall pick.

"Highly, highly, highly, highly unlikely," Wolves president David Kahn said this morning.

As for the possibility of trading rights to Spanish guard Ricky Rubio, who was the Wolves' top draft pick (No. 5 overall) a year ago, Kahn reiterated, "I don't anticipate trading him. I feel very strongly that Ricky Rubio should start his career with us here in a Minnesota Timberwolves uniform, and I look forward to that day a year from now."

 

From the Timberwolves:

The following potential 2010 NBA draft picks will be working out for the Timberwolves next Monday: Damion James, Paul George, Tyren Johnson, Landon Milbourne, Ryan Wittman and Mikhail Torrance.

 

From Jonah Ballow's twitter account:

Just arrived at the 1st #NBA draft workout today. White, Stephenson, Crawford, & Anderson

 

 

From Jonah Ballow/Timberwolves site:

The Friday morning workout session featured four shooting guards battling at the Wolves practice facility. Obviously, Minnesota would like to acquire a scoring threat at the shooting guard position in Thursday's NBA Draft. Each prospect offers a different skill set that should translate to the next level. During the session, the assistant coaches ran the players through a variety of drills to test their ability to shoot off screens, hit pull-up jumpers, and attack with only seconds left on the game clock. The four potential draft picks also went head-to-head in a physical final drill that highlighted their isolation skills.

 

From Bill Ingram/Hoopsworld:

In talking to a number of league sources in the run-up to the draft, HOOPSWORLD keeps hearing one name, in particular, involving possible draft day trades. We've heard plenty of rumors involving Minnesota Timberwolves forward Al Jefferson, and it turns out that where there's smoke there is definitely fire. Quite a few teams have indicated that Al Jefferson is one of their primary targets this summer.

 

From Jon Krawczynski/AP Sports:

While they wait for Rubio, Kahn and Rambis are trying to get a jump on the get-to-know-you process. They had dinner with Rubio and his family in May, giving the 19-year-old his first face-to-face meeting with the man who wants to coach him in the NBA.

"As opposed to the draft process a year ago, we didn't have an opportunity to meet him in that context," Kahn said. "Through either last summer, this year, and with Kurt coming over, I felt it was very important for us to stay connected, but not so connected that he or his team feel overwhelmed."

The Timberwolves want Rubio to feel a part of the team in order to make his eventual transition from exotic Spain to meat-and-potatoes Minnesota as smooth as possible. But they also don't want to infringe too heavily upon him, and his Spanish team Regal FC Barcelona, while he develops his game overseas.

 

From Jonathan Givony/DraftExpress:

Minnesota -- which drafted another point guard, Jonny Flynn, one pick after selecting Rubio last year -- still has work to do to sell him on playing there, according to high-level sources in the Rubio camp.

But there's no guarantee that you'll see Rubio in any NBA uniform in 2011. In fact, in large part because of a potential lockout and money considerations, the more likely scenario for now is Rubio's arrival in 2012.

Rubio will not be inclined to terminate his contract with Barcelona next summer if there's no new collective bargaining agreement by then. Also, if Rubio waits until 2012 -- three years removed from his draft year -- he'll no longer be bound by the rules of the NBA rookie scale, which, under the current CBA, would pay him an average of about $3.6 million his first two years, a sum that will likely be below market value. Freed from the rookie scale, Rubio could negotiate like a free agent with the team that holds his rights, receiving anything from the mid-level exception ($5.85 million this season) to a maximum contract if a team has the requisite room under the salary cap.

Another factor to consider could be Rubio's contract with Nike, which expires in two years. The company has made no secret of its preference to see Rubio in a bigger NBA market than Minnesota, according to sources, and it will be interesting to see whether the dollars Nike throw into the equation sways things.

 

From John Hollinger/ESPN:  NBA Franchise Rankings: No. 27: Minnesota Timberwolves

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In talking to a number of league sources in the run-up to the draft, HOOPSWORLD keeps hearing one name, in particular, involving possible draft day trades. We’ve heard plenty of rumors involving Minnesota Timberwolves forward Al Jefferson, and it turns out that where there’s smoke there is definitely fire. Quite a few teams have indicated that Al Jefferson is one of their primary targets this summer.

The issue, of course, is that the Timberwolves really have two starting power forwards. Jefferson was acquired in the trade that sent Kevin Garnett to Boston, but the team subsequently drafted Kevin Love, and Love appears to have all-star potential at the four. He’s a better rebounder and as good a scorer as Jefferson, but he has the added ability of hitting the three and he’s vastly better at the free throw line. The team tried starting Love and Jefferson together a few times last season, but that didn’t yield the wins, so it appears the Wolves will cash in Jefferson and slide Love into the starter’s role.

The challenge for Timberwolves GM David Kahn and his team will be finding just the right deal. Several teams believe a draft day deal could get the deal done, and that the Timberwolves have targeted a player near the top of the draft as their ideal piece. Given their need for a center – Darko Milicic is saying he’s finished with the NBA and Ryan Hollins is inconsistent - the Wolves could use Sacramento’s fifth overall pick to land a player like Greg Monroe from Georgetown. Jefferson would be an upgrade over Jason Thompson, meaning the Kings could send him out and land another piece for their long-term puzzle.

The Timberwolves also need an upgrade at the guard spots, where Jonny Flynn and Ramon Sessions both look like good back-up point guards and Corey Brewer also looks like he would be better served as a back-up shooting guard. Unlike last year, however, the 2010 draft class is not incredibly deep in talented guards.

Still, there are plenty of teams looking to make moves on draft day, and it sounds like Jefferson might be the biggest name that gets moved as part of the annual draft party. There are certainly a lot of teams saying they have had conversations with the Timberwolves about acquiring him.

Al for #5? Cousins and Wes?

by Blond Ricky on Jun 18, 2010 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope it’s for 2 or 3 (aka Evan Turner). NJ’s made offers for post-injury Al in the past.

by jianfu on Jun 18, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

they did?

do you remember what the offer was?

by abcnerdd on Jun 18, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe it was..

Devin Harris + #11 (which turned into Terrance Williams) = Al Jefferson

by SF on Jun 19, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

NJ should be interested in Jefferson

As he’s a perfect compliment to Lopez, of course, we could’ve had that front court ourselves if McHale wouldn’t have wasted the pick to get Love. I know a lot of you on here have a huge man-crush on Love, but it was a terrible pick to make when your best player is at the same position and neither are really a fit at Center. In fact, Robin Lopez would’ve probably been an even better pick as he is probably brings a little better D than Brook, who is definitely the better offensive player.

by wolves_fan on Jun 20, 2010 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

...

Al for #5? Cousins and Wes?

Dear God yes

by Oceanary on Jun 19, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree...

Would murder a hobo for that deal…

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by mutleyil on Jun 19, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Few quibbles with that article

Love is “vastly better” at the line and is “as good of a scorer” as Jefferson? Milicic is saying he’s "finished with the NBA? The first two lines are definitely stretches, and the third is contrary to everything I’ve read about Darko in the past month.

Other than that, it’ll be interesting to see what we do with Al, if anything. This is one of the few articles I’ve read that actually says that Love is the player that they want to keep instead of Al.

by nja700 on Jun 19, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

“Love is "vastly better" at the line”

Yup. Love is a career 80% shooter vs 69% for Jefferson.

And Love gets to the line at a much better rate: 6 times per 36 min compared to Al’s 4.5 (and a career low 4 times last season). And that’s all the more impressive since we don’t run offense through Love.

by Simitar on Jun 19, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just as good a scorer?

Has anyone watched Love try to operate in the paint? It brings tears to my eyes everytime he flails up a junk shot after grabbing an O-board. And my seats last year were right behind the basket, so I shed a lot of tears! lol He’s got more range, but no low-post game.

by wolves_fan on Jun 20, 2010 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Between Jefferson and Love,

the Wolves get their shots blocked a lot. Both Love and Jefferson play volleyball in there for stretches.

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by feral on Jun 20, 2010 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's good to see all of the Timberwolves stories

but screw Nike. The TC is more than a big enough market. Just look at Cleveland and Lebron for proof (I realize everyone has probably already seen this, but it’s worth another look):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

by Facial on Jun 18, 2010 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Aren't...

…AP and Mauer Nike clients?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 18, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

People who think...

…that Rubio needs to be in a larger market to be marketable are ignorant. Maybe this would be true 10 years ago, but there’s this thing called the internet that has changed marketing. Nike executives understand this and have had no problem turning anyone they want into a star. Rubio’s marketing reach will be just fine if he’s as good as we think he is.

by twolvesgm on Jun 18, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

That one 6-11 skinny guy we had

Seemed to lack national exposure right?

by Bad News Wolves on Jun 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What was his name again?

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jun 18, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It may be big enough

but unfortunately not everyone can live like an eskimo five months of the year. And the climate is just unmarketable apparently.

by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Jun 19, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

Nike just doesn’t have the will to promote anyone playing in the great North that isn’t already a star.

by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Jun 19, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least

we get sun here. Just talked to a guy tonight from the Pacific Northwest (Seattle area), and he was lovin’ the sunshine late today. Said that he’s been out there four years now, and he’s still waiting for sun this summer. He said his second summer there wasn’t a summer at all – it sort of warmed up from spring but was overcast and rainy and blah and then it was fall again. The Pacific NW is beautiful, but it also has its climactic detriments.

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by biggity2bit on Jun 19, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I always thought that’d be a cool area to move to. Things are always great sometimes.

by BetterLaettnerThanRider on Jun 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, it's been a rainy late spring here in the PNW

But it was 55 and sunny in January and February. I’m just fine with a few clouds and the occasional scattered showers for a few more weeks.

by aarendsvark on Jun 19, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

words for Jonathan

arrogant, cavalier, ill-informed, dismissive, a slappy to sources of power…am I missing anything?

by Rasho Revolution on Jun 18, 2010 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Lazy

ignorant.

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by HumdingerTV on Jun 19, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Negotiating "like a free agent"

typically would entail being able to get competitive bids.

With Rubio in that hypothetical situation, not so much.

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by feral on Jun 18, 2010 10:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Darko Milicic is saying he’s finished with the NBA

This doesn’t sound consistent with everything else we’ve been hearing. I know Darko said something like that right after the trade but I believe he has been singing a different tune lately.

by Achilles Fang 1 on Jun 18, 2010 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think the local stories

have been circulated much nationally. The rest of the league’s gave up on Darko. We’re the only ones who care about him. He’s going to have a nice underdog thing going for him. If we could get some decent ball distribution I think we’ll have some very productive big men.

by TMiss on Jun 18, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Completely agreed..

….and it’s time for some Serbian music for a weekend set. Any suggestions? I’m on a Tejano kick of late and I haven’t been doing much digging in Euro-land.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 18, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

good to hear there are teams who covet al jeff tho. i think al for the 5+change would be an acceptable deal… not sure we’d get too much more without him proving he’s healthy again.

cousins+johnson would be a really solid draft

by NuthinBurger on Jun 18, 2010 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Rubio would quickly find out

there’s a lot of Hispanics in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa. He could turn the Wolves into a real regional team instead of a national laughingstock.

I’m also very interested in seeing what Darko’s like when he’s in shape. Even without Al it looks like we’re doing good on big men.

by TMiss on Jun 18, 2010 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I can assure you that TMiss knows his history...

…as well as knowing that both Hispanics and Spaniards speak…well, Spanish, which I think is what he is going after. Ethnic heritage and lingual heritage are two different things as my Grandparents from Alsace Loraine would say to my in laws from Quebec. When I was stationed in Korea, the local club soccer team had an English guy who the team endlessly pimped to the US base because he could speak English. Same thing here.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 18, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Painting with the broad brush

Hispanics and Spaniards speak different dialects of Spanish and have vastly different heritages and life styles. No offense, but there are 5 versions of Spanish within the country of Spain separated by regions.

by Flagrant on Jun 18, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough..

…but if you google ene-be-a.com i think you’ll see that even pau gets played off to anyone who speaks en’ espanol.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 18, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hispanic is correct

You’re confusing race and ethnicity. Hispanic as defined in the U.S. is a multi-racial ethnic category that includes Spanish speakers be they of African, European, or mixed Native ancestry. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity that contains many races, “Asian” is a race that contains many ethnicities.

by Dib432 on Jun 19, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The term actually originated from the Iberian Peninsula that Spain resides in

So try and be less condescending in your replies, please. The term is actually used a variety of ways, most often encompassing any group that carries Spanish heritage or culture. So both a lighter-skinned Spaniard from Europe and a darker-skinned mixed-heritage resident of Mexico can both be characterized as Hispanic without eliciting a “know your history” reply. Defining such things is nothing if not messy and imperfect.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hispanic

by nja700 on Jun 19, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our definitions

of race and ethnicity have been driven by the U.S. census, giving us an interesting history of when these messy, imperfect areas came to the forefront. The current definition of Hispanic I believe dates from the 1970 census, and was the first ethnic category (meaning independent of race) to be included.

by Dib432 on Jun 19, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tangent: Sometime check out the old census forms on the Census Bureau site

They’re pretty amazing, and reflect the times in cool (and sometimes disturbing) ways.

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by feral on Jun 19, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quadroon?

That just sounds awesome. Why couldn’t one of my parents be a mulatto so that my children would have a chance to be an octoroon? As a side note, I’m really glad almost no one gives a shit if anyone’s one eighth black or hispanic or white anymore.

by aarendsvark on Jun 19, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forgive the large image.

One could use these forms to sort “opinions with which I disagree” on a given blog:

"People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character."

by feral on Jun 20, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Seems pointless to put a category for, “cannot read”

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by Mplax on Jun 20, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd name names, but let's just say I'm not so clear on that point with certain posters.

"People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character."

by feral on Jun 20, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon, don't do that

name names. Since I’m fairly certain of who you would put on that list…

Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team

by TimAllen on Jun 20, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hit iTunes DJ

and these are the first names that came up: Baba Zula, Goran Bregovic, Taraf de Haidouks, The Shukar Collective, Beirut, The Klezmatics, Kalman Balogh, John Zorn, etc.

Like the Mormons, I baptize artists into whichever musical faith I think they belong to regardless of actual place of birth.

by TMiss on Jun 18, 2010 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

but do you do it after death?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 18, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, for Darko

I actually did some digging and I think this guy would appeal to your readers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xKeYFkB9Pw

by TMiss on Jun 18, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe

we could use that video to remind Darko of how Serbia’s gone downhill since he left…

by TMiss on Jun 18, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

MN is no small market...

The Pohlads are one of the wealthiest owners in baseball. If not for his meddling, Taylor is a billionaire and the Wolves would be one of the most stable teams in the NBA. We have had perennial playoff teams in two of the major league sports, and the Wild still sellout game after game even though they are as mediocre a team in all of sports. I realize that national exposure is guaranteed immediately on either coast, but push comes to shove, and winning is what gains noteriety. Now about that winning…

by biffman7_7 on Jun 18, 2010 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

The Wild...

…claim to sell out every game but they don’t anymore. The Pohlads also wanted to contract the Twins if baseball was willing to write them the check. I wouldn’t hold Minnesota sports owners up as being great.

by twolvesgm on Jun 18, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

MN is a very small market when it comes to TV revenue etc.

They simply can not compete on the revenue side of things.

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by StinkyFingers on Jun 19, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe the Twin Cities is the 11th largest TV Market in the US.

by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Jun 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

MN is a bigger market than half the other markets in the NBA

The revenue POTENTIAL is there.
Just need to put an entertaining product out there.

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by HumdingerTV on Jun 19, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stinky is behaving to form.

His posts are always, always just provocation. He does this on other teams’ sites, too.

We certainly lined up endorsements for Rubio as part of the potential buyout scheme last summer. General Mills and company were on board then, whatever the relative market size might be.

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by feral on Jun 20, 2010 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would be very, very surprised if Al Jefferson gets traded

Especially for an unproven draft choice. My bet is he is in the starting line-up in the opening game 2010/11.

by Flagrant on Jun 18, 2010 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

not me....

….i doubt he ever sees mn soil again.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 18, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

This little sub thread...

…will make for some good incoming google searches.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 19, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

you rang?

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by StinkyFingers on Jun 19, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

the next big thing

someone will figure out a discussion thread opinion recorder so that we can see how often people are wrong or right

that day will make me happy – to see how often i am actually wrong or right as well as others

confirmation bias is real

by Django Z on Jun 19, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al working out

Could be to prove to suitors that he has fully healed. Teams that are interested in his post-game will want to know if he is 100%.

by expJORDAN on Jun 19, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

+ if he stays in the nba he’s gonna play in TC .. :p pile on snp-day

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by Wim (Belgium) on Jun 19, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure he will. One time per season if he’s traded to Philly, New Jersey, Chicago, or Detroit. Twice a season if he goes to Sac or Golden State.

by jianfu on Jun 19, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree...the writing is on the wall...

However, is anyone else worried about the “Liriano Factor” with Big Al?

He will always be a limited player, but last year was not indicative of his skills. The first full year back is about regaining confidence. I think he will regain a lot of our beloved “small area quickness” in the upcoming year, and be a much improved player. That said, I would still trade him before Love.

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by mutleyil on Jun 19, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not worried

Not because I don’t think he can, but this will be a better time to trade him than at the trading deadline next year. He still is recouping, but we know it doesn’t seem to work with Love& Al, so trade him now before someone tries to scalp us @ the deadline. Jefferson still has some good (great) play in him, and since this is the time of year to invest in potential, let’s sell Jeffersons.

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by frankenhoops on Jun 19, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

No more rookies

As much as I agree that Johnson and Cousins would be a nice draft at some point we need to get older. I’d rather see Jefferson move for a veteran talent. We have enough draft picks that we can get two solid rookies without having to involve Al in any deals.

by Achilles Fang 1 on Jun 18, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

imo

i would love to see my puppies become the next thunders, instead of the aging celtics.

by abcnerdd on Jun 18, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

at some point we need to get older better.

I fixed it?

by Blond Ricky on Jun 19, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

You fixed it nicely

See, my thing is that I root for really crappy teams. It's kind of what I'm known for..

by Son of Gerald Green on Jun 19, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would be incredibly stupid to trade Jefferson now

It takes one season (plus) to fully recoup from a serious knee injury. As such, Al Jefferson is not nearly at his top trade value in terms of an asset.

If the Wolves were to trade Al, the earliest will likely be at the All Star break.

by Flagrant on Jun 18, 2010 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

keep Al Jeff

I’ll agree with that. Just draft Wes and keep both Love and Al. Sign Darko and see what happens next year. See how the young guys develop and then act accordingly.

by John Wall on Jun 19, 2010 12:37 AM CDT reply actions  

You're really okay with building up to this offseason for three whole years,

and then coming away with “We drafted an okay shooting forward, let’s wait and see”?

Passive, passive, passive.

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by feral on Jun 19, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

what if Al goes back to 08-09 form?

or even better, since he’s only in his mid-20’s? would you be glad we traded him then? That’s not passive. It’s being smart with my assets. I’ve wanted to trade Al Jeff for a while, but if the right offer isn’t out there, it isn’t out there. Let’s see what Al can do with a full healthy off-season of training before we ship him away at less than half of what we might get next year.

by John Wall on Jun 20, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Handful of assumptions, there.

Assuming that you’re not going to get anything like fair value, for one. I don’t think that’s necessarily true.

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by feral on Jun 20, 2010 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair value is what he did two years ago.

That was probably the second pick in this draft. Is he really DONE now because he had a slightly down year coming off knee surgery? I don’t buy it. Yeah, he isn’t perfect. But neither is Love or any other big on this roster. Personally, I’m not selling him for anything less than Favors in this draft. If not, his value isn’t likely to go down next year. There is no downside in keeping him, at least until the next trade deadline.

by John Wall on Jun 20, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see Big Al as having varied value, healthy or injured, depending on "fit."

Any “What if” comes with a big dose of salt. What if we draft Evan Turner, and it turns out Demarcus Cousins is Charles Barkley in Tim Duncan’s body? What if we draft DeMarcus Cousins, and he’s a self-involved git who winds up holding 24-hour video sessions in which he applies vaseline to his sore throat?

The market for Jefferson is defined by which teams value his one major skill disproportionately. It’s definitely a scarce commodity, post scoring of his type, and there are teams out there who prize it. Sacramento dealt for Carl Landry to get something similar.

However, I don’t think for a second that Houston (to choose the obvious Numberwang front office model) would give up a #2 overall pick for Jefferson. Not if he was healthy, not if he’s recovering from injury, not any time soon and not in the past. They traded Landry, come to that, because they could “sell high” on his scoring around the basket, and because they recognized that a PF who doesn’t rebound well (Landry’s bad that way) doesn’t contribute as much as he could.

I guess I think it’s possible to define the market and still get quite a good deal for Al J, and I never expected him to be worth a KG-like haul. There will be more than one team bidding, as it were. (We do have hints of that from HoopsWorld recently, anyway, for what little that’s worth.)

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by feral on Jun 20, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

What other assets

do the Kings have to trade for Al? Al for 5 isn’t’ enough, is it? And aren’t there salary ramifications for them, or are they far enough under the cap to just eat the cost?

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by biggity2bit on Jun 19, 2010 12:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Ray Allen was traded for 5 (along Delonte & Wally) so I’m not sure you’d do much better than #5 and some salary relief (not sure Sac has any big expirings) for Al.

by TWolvesFanInLA on Jun 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily an analogous situation

Ray was 32 when he was dealt. I’m sure Ray at 24 would have netted quite a bit more..

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jun 19, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Starter: Terrell Brandon
Top 10 Pick: Wally Sczerbiak

by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Jun 20, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was a second pick.

(If McHale had been willing to accept top-3 protection the Wally year, the Wolves would have gotten another first from New Jersey.)

"People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character."

by feral on Jun 20, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

They got way under the cap by dealing KMart

So cost shouldn’t be a factor unless they’re saving for something. Assets is a different story though….the only real way they can equal Al’s salary is with Udrih and Francisco Garcia, who are both under contract through 2012 at least, and don’t hold much value to us as players

Although personally, considering the makeup of our team if we did this, I wouldn’t object too strongly to that I guess. The chance to get either Favors or Cousins AND Wes Johnson is pretty good

by Oceanary on Jun 19, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

they traded for Dalembert for us? But he has some restrictions now I believe…

Buckeyes are red, Wildcats are blue,
I wanted Evan Turner, But DeMarcus Cousins will do.

by Mplax on Jun 19, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do not get too excited about the Jefferson rumor. Hoopsworld has blown smoke numerous times in the past.

by revprodeji on Jun 19, 2010 12:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

don’t forget Jessie Ventura and The new Joke called Al Franken.

Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!

by StinkyFingers on Jun 19, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just because Franken was an actor does not mean he's a bad politician

Just the same as Reagan and your Gubernator, Arnold. He’s actually been doing pretty well, it seems.

If anything, that race where Gary Coleman and a pornstar (among others) ran for governor in California was the real farce.

by nja700 on Jun 19, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Franken

has been great. I didn’t have high expectations for him, but he’s light years ahead of Klobuchar, and most other senators I would surmise.

by Dib432 on Jun 19, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bigger farce was the recall vote after Grey Davis was elected

cost the taxpayers $$$ and the rationale for recall was beyond dubious.

The real jokesters in politics are Bachman and her ilk. Guano certified.

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain

by uncle rico on Jun 19, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

It sucks that we have effectively destroyed Al's trade value...

we should have been able to get so much more then the 5th pick in the draft.

Talking myself into DeMarcus Cousins since 5/18/10

by Blakeley on Jun 19, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd almost rather keep Al

Than swap him for essentially Wes Johnson, personally. People are way way too down on Al.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jun 19, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

part of the value is cap space

Presti’s trade of Allen netted Jeff Green (yawn) but also cap space, right? Which Presti has since turned into multiple draft picks through trades, etc.

by littleboxes on Jun 19, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, deliberately having him blow his knee out was too much.

"People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character."

by feral on Jun 20, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Franken is an absolute joke.

I still cannot believe that he was ( sort of) elected.
I do like his support for our troops and veterans though.

by OdinFromValhalla on Jun 19, 2010 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Franken has been a pleasant surprise to me

His amendment to the finance reform bill significantly improved the bill. I can’t believe there hasn’t been a criminal investigation of the ratings agencies. Franken is the only politician in either party that figured out how to fix that problem.

by Dave T on Jun 19, 2010 4:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I'll take Franken

over “Nahm” any day.

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Jun 19, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

RIP

Manute Bol

Buckeyes are red, Wildcats are blue,
I wanted Evan Turner, But DeMarcus Cousins will do.

by Mplax on Jun 19, 2010 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely.

Manute played in the first NBA game I ever saw live, I believe. Pretty sure it was this one.

Sarunas Marciulionis, too. He was a sort of proto-Ginobili before Manu came along. Takes me back.

Requiescat in Pace, Manute.

"People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character."

by feral on Jun 19, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

True respect to Manute...

A fantastic humanitarian, and a great memory from my NBA watching past.

One of my first Suns games when I moved to PHX was against Golden State. Manute played about 20 mins, and never crossed the halfcourt line…literally. He was new to the league, and I don’t think he understood that he was expected to play offense.

As hilarious as it sounds, it worked and I think he blocked about 10 shots in that game.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jun 19, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

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