Community Draft Board, pt. 1
by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 2, 2010 9:45 PM CDT
Email
PrintOK folks, here it goes. Time to get a'picking with the 2010 Hoopus Community Draft Board. Here are the top 10 picks from last year's Hoopus Community Draft Board:
You can read the remainder of the list here. If the Hoopus community were in charge of last year's draft, the Wolves would have walked away with Rubio and Curry. Sehr Gut, mein hoopen, sehr gut.
Anywho, this year's draft figures to be an interesting affair and it's time to start figuring out who we want the team to take. Soooooo, with that in mind, who do you think should be number one on the Wolves draft board?
83 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
rubio and curry
would have been a better draft…we would have won 11 more games and be picking first instead of washington
lets just say it right now
1. Wall
2. Turner
3. Favors
4. Cousins*
5. Wes*
*To be hottly debated
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 2, 2010 10:01 PM CDT reply actions
so we are talking
Wall
Favor/Turners
Cousins/Wes
as a heirarchy?
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 2, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Last year is interesting
We clearly preferred efficiency and basketball skills to size and athleticism. It was right in some cases (Curry), wrong in others (Evans).
We Are the Washington Generals
by Eric in Madison on Jun 2, 2010 10:05 PM CDT reply actions
yeah..
….we all pretty much wiffed on evans.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
thankfully.
… Sacramento took care of that for us.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
More like 130 MPH.....
I’m still impressed Reke got up that high.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh wise one!
We all bow to you. I bet your draft board last year stacked things exactly right. “Exactly right” being as the draft is viewed 5 years from now. Tell us about it.
guilty as charged
Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009
by Wim (Belgium) on Jun 3, 2010 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions
but we didn't wiff on curry over flynn!
like someone else…
by ChicagoViking on Jun 3, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing on Zoubek? Brian Zoubek. He was a center on Duke last year
In three years we may be as good as Memphis
by Son of Gerald Green on Jun 2, 2010 10:21 PM CDT reply actions
he is going...
…to be up on this year’s 2nd round picks…and this hurts me, because i want them to make an offer to reddick as well. that’s 2 dookies for me.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
Redick...
probably played his way into a larger contract, this post-season. When they had to bench Vince Carter, it was a pretty telling indicator that they should keep JJ around.
But, I’m with you — I hope we make that offer. He’s one of the few players in the entire league that can continuously run his man off screens and be a threat. (Whether that works in the triangle, or whatever Rambis is running, is a whole ’nother story, though.)
No reason...
…to to think Ellington can’t be that guy for us. If you what to call him a bust after one year (i know that’s kinda your thing) go ahead. But what did Reddick do his rookie year.
P.S. The little dig was all in good fun so don’t take it personal. The debates are half the reason I come on this site.
by Achilles Fang 1 on Jun 3, 2010 12:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Wayne,
but Redick isn’t just a standing shooter. He is a very active offensive player, capable of shooting after running off a pick, and also a good passer. The Wolves will be very fortunate if Wellington becomes the all-around player that Redick has. Redick’s lackluster start to his career had a lot more to do with his coach and teammates than any marks against him. He’s always looked like a capable player, when given minutes. He’s just gotten to the point where they can’t afford to not play him, which is impressive given how deep the Orlando roster is.
I agree with Andy. At this point Ellington is a find 6th man (like most of our team) while JJ is a legit starter.
Wrong team
A team looking to push in transition doesn’t commit a starting wing position to a guy who’s not a great finisher and not capable of consistently beating the defense down the floor. Can we please not overpay for guys who clearly work best as off-the-bench guys on good teams? This isn’t even mentioning that this system works better with spot-up shooters as opposed to guys who need multiple screens to score.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Jun 3, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad people...
are finally coming to their senses on John Wall over Evan Turner. I’m still shocked that Turner beat out Wall in that poll a few weeks ago.
Talking myself into DeMarcus Cousins since 5/18/10
Interesting
I think it’s because we invest so much time and hope in the player we’re most likely to get at our pick. Some rationalizing plays into it. It also makes things more interesting after reading all top 4 players mentioned as good enough to take at #1. Turner/Wall was the debate all year, but I’ve heard it said multiple times that Cousins is a possible #1 pick on talent alone, and that Favors could have been in contention at #1 if he’d have been on a college team more conducive to his strengths.
+1
You don’t think people were trying to convince themselves that Turner was the better pick because of their perception of a better fit?
by Breaking Ankles on Jun 3, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Have y'all seen this
a nice write-up on Wes Johnson. Probably pre-mature to throw this into the conversation, but watching the video posted in this entry has made me realize that it would be so nice to see a guy like this on the Wolves. I’m not saying that means we draft him, but holy crap it would be great to see a guy who can elevate higher than Brewer and drain the three play for us. I also realize that much of the debate on Wes comes from his not being able to create his own shot. You gotta admit, though, that he might be the single best player in this entire draft to pair with Rubio because he can kill you going strong to the rim or drifting out and dropping daggers from three point land.
"Styx might be the mullet of bands."
Interesting to go back and look at last year’s poll. Crowdsourcing has been a popular business philosophy the last few years and I’ve often wondered if a crowdsourced draft strategy would do better than a handful of FO “experts”.
If every SB Nation blog did this same poll (with a few hundred votes for each slot) would they do better than the teams.
Yeah maybe
But I doubt it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I’m not convinvced that Wall HAS to be the number one. Remember that Oden and Beasley both were the absolute concensus picks but then the discussion got going after the season had ended .. and both time the situation got turned around…
The numbers also don’t support that Wall is that much better than Turner .. so my tiers look like this:
Tier1
Wall
Turner
Tier2
Favors
Cousins
So I went with Turner, in my view they have the same chance to bloom (or not) .. only knac on Turner is that he’s a year more experienced…
Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009
I went with Turner too
I guess I felt Rubio + Turner was a better pair than Wall + whoever we can get for Rubio. The draft is always a bit of a crapshoot (Oden and Beasley mentioned above) so I’m guessing two chances at winning the powerball is better than 1.
(… and I’m aware that some people don’t believe Rubio will come over. If that was the case, I feel Wall would be the clear choice)
by midlife crisis on Jun 3, 2010 5:52 AM CDT up reply actions
John Wall at #1
I don’t think there is any team in the league who could pass on John Wall, and that’s one reason why he’s the Consensus #1 pick in 12 of 12 mock drafts.
The one thing the Timberwolves need more than any specific position is a potential superstar, and Wall perhaps has the greatest likelyhood of achieving that level. Superstars mean wins, and superstars mean revenue.
Meanwhile, Wall also has the greatest revenue-generating power of any of the other draft prospects. The NBA needs to market to not just rabid basketball fans, but reach out to casual fans and generate customers. Right now, every story about the lottery led off with John Wall. Every story about workouts and interviews lead off with John Wall. Every story about the draft will begin with John Wall. Every story about how rookies will impact their new teams will lead off with John Wall.
John Wall would sell tickets in Minnesota, and generate interest in the team that is sorely lacking right now. The Wolves could not pass on him if they acquired the #1 pick.
We have little idea how much potential revenue Wall would bring in.
Anyone who performs exceptionally well would generate some revenue for his team, sure. These boards are full of basketball wonks, though, not the general public. There really aren’t any names in this draft class, Wall included, who’ve got broader cachet. If I asked my nephew who John Wall was, he’d confuse him with John Brown. (I’ve been grilling him about the Civil War for school.)
Last year Rubio had far more potential for that than Blake Griffin. Heck, Griffin didn’t (and doesn’t) even excite me. If he blew up, sure. Same with Cousins or whoever else. But as names out of the gate, Wall has barely a scrap more recognition than Evan Turner or Wesley Johnson, and even that’s probably because he has a distinctive name more than anything else.
"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR
(This is also to do with the one-and-done college experience.)
"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR
Civl War?
you mean the War Against The States?
My mother-in-law moved to the South about 6 years ago and has recently replaced the term “Civil War” with “The War Against The States.” Says that is what everyone calls it in Tennessee.
Only when they are being polite.
My Southern relatives call it ‘The War of Northern Aggression’.
by Krotz the Wall on Jun 3, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Show them the movie "Sherman's March"
The one by Ross McElwee. It will confuse the HECK out of ’em.
"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR
I've read that a lot and I don't really get it
I know state’s rights are historically a big emphasis in the south, especially in Texas. The North was trying to bolster their manufacturing businesses with tariffs on imported goods.
But to cast the very important and sad Civil War in those terms seems intentionally dishonest. The Civil War was about slavery. Lots of people died and were maimed on both sides, and a good president was assassinated. In the end slavery was abolished. An important move forward at a terrible cost.
When I read “War of Northern Aggression” and see the Confederate flag flown, I wonder what African American people think about it. I’d think it would be uncomfortable at best.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jun 3, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
It was amazing to hear the revisionist history coming out of Virginia this year when they started their own “Confederate History Month.” They would insist that it had nothing to do with slavery, and that it was state’s rights that was the sticking point. Maybe so, if that included the state’s rights to permit slavery. Of course, the North wasn’t exactly pure in the matter either.
I agree that slavery
was part of it, but they also wanted to maintain their wealth advantage and didn’t appreciate the cheap labor slaves provided. So, the ethics part of slavery gets pushed to the forfront and the economic benefits pushed to the back. Nothing in the US gets done without some serious financial gains/losses coming to bear behind the “reason.”
I am sure for many people it really was about the concept. But I am not naive enough to ignore the economic warfare side. War is big business afterall.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 3, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
apparently sometimes
the truth does set you free. It just never intended too, that’s all.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 3, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
A post from "The Atlantic" has a note about slaves/Southern economy
Pretty far down the page, after some more interesting info on the subject. It notes that “slaves were the single largest – by far – financial asset of property in the entire American economy.” So of course they had economic interests, interests that were overwhelmingly invested in the horrific idea of other people as property. Almost any way you slice it, slavery factored into the Confederate rationale.
I always love when people
try to explain history through a combination of intellectual and ethical assumptions. While these things matter, most people are not willing to die for a belief. While there are a handful of exceptions to this rule on their face level, there is almost always a hidden profit for those factions too.
The one human instinct I recognize about all others is greed. When ever a large or important decision is made, a person always needs to understand how the players involved are affected from a monetary standpoint. You can’ t make a solid decision until you understand this.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 3, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
on a somewhat related topic..
…has anyone here ever been to shiloh national battlefield? we are debating on whether we should drive down there from memphis when we make our yearly tour of i40 through oklahoma, arkansas, and tennessee to visit family.
Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com
never been
to the battlefield. It’s been almost 20 years since I have been to tennessee.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 3, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear John Wall visited there
and ever since it has been flooded with casual basketball observers from all over the nation… and some international casual fans as well.
Buckeyes are red, Wildcats are blue,
I wanted Evan Turner, But DeMarcus Cousins will do.
You can’t underestimate the tribalism/nationalism factor either. (A national feeling of entitlement to cheap resources certainly falls into this category.)
true
but the people aren’t the ones who usually directly profit. There is always some company that gets to use these cheaper rights for their profit. I’m not a hater, I just have always seen and understood that people don’t do things just to do them. Money, Power, Sex and Fame are the four biggest drivers I can think of off the top of my head.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 3, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m with you that there are people who profit from war, and people who don’t (who often are the ones fighting on the front lines). But you need the masses with you to sustain war, and the nationalism and tribalism is whipped up or just kicks in on its own. Not saying it’s good or bad (it’s bad, right?), just observed. One more psychological piece to add to your list, call it “Us v. Them”.
true
Ever see the movie the gladiator? Where crow says that Rome is the light and that is why he fights for a land not his own? Yet he had never been to Rome or knew what it was really like? All countries sell a bill of goods. Hope, Glory, Moral Superiority, Ethnic Superiority…or whatever else.
I chose not to blindly bang a drum and follow the beat, but rather make an educated determination of who and what I want to be and let that guide me. Not what some posterboy (or someday girl) standing behind a podium.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 3, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yikers.
Yes, I have some southern relations who have the same ideology going on.
It had nothing to do with slavery, either. All about states’ rights. Which is a little odd, given that when States like South Carolina seceded, they described their reasons for doing so partly in terms of the federal gummint’s unwillingness to enforce the fugitive slave act in other states. Cognitive dissonance, ahoy.
Texas school textbooks soon will be claiming that McCarthyism was largely vindicated, too, apparently. It’s an all-out war on actual history, anyway….
Weird side note: One can pretty much peg the state of race relations in America based on how John Brown is depicted. Those Texas History books are going to have the crazy-eyed, long-bearded version. Betcha anything.
"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR
Slavery was a big part of the south's secession, but just one part of a much bigger picture.
See the Tariff of Abomination. The South also felt like it was consistently getting the raw end of every new economic regulation due to their smaller population and lower representation. This concern was exacerbated when Lincoln and the Republican party, which was basically a northern regional party, came to power.
Much more disingenuous is the idea that the Civil War was the result of the North’s moral standing on the abolishment of slavery, it had much more to do with “preservation of the union” or as many southerners would have it, the North’s desire to hold sway over their agricultural base.
If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union
Abraham Lincoln
We're not going to have this discussion here.
But Abraham Lincoln said a lot of stuff about slavery, measuring his audiences. Obviously I’m familiar with that quote, as I am with his second inaugural, you know?
There was a reason for which people went off to war singing “John Brown’s Body.”
"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR
even if all else if false
Lincoln was a coldhearted political tactician. People like that are almost never bleeding hearts out to right wrongs. For that reason alone I would take his statement at face value.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 3, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
"not going to have this discussion here." Agreed, but it is fun that one can even start on a basketball fan blog...
Could you imagine the equivalent debate in the Star Tribune comments section.
I agree that the quote I gave, treated in isolation, is not telling the whole story. However, it does put some mud in the eye of the hagiographic drivel many of us were fed throughout our public education. That is my only goal.
to do that
all you have to do is read the new texas history book. My percent of faith in what people say just dropped by a multiple of ten.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 3, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Hagiography is crud.
Seeing people struggle with something ennobles them, even when they sometimes get things wrong or even outright fail. The haloed founding generation thing in the US makes me so incredibly impatient….
"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR
Feral
this may cheer you up then. Silly though quite crude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbRom1Rz8OA
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
This is a nice break, actually, from all the draft/trade speculation
While many posts about the Wolves are very well informed and reasonably argued from different perspectives, we’re starting to repeat ourselves here, like a drunk uncle at Thanksgiving.
So this little historical divagation is most enjoyable.
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
who needs the uncle at thanksgiving?
I think I manage just fine all by myself.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 3, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll add you to the Thanksgiving invite list
Is steak ok?
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
From Tennessee
of course
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
scotch and rockband
will make any party. Rockband is all the best parts of Karaoke with non of the drawbacks, plus someone gets to basically air-guitar/drum.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 4, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a buddy who does a friends thanksgiving every year
best night of the year. Everyone is all about the same age and you can actually let loose, be yourself and not worry about being a clown in front of your family (who will never let you forget it).
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 4, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
maybe I’ll be the interloper at your friends Thanksgiving dinner instead.
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
the theory behind
Friend’s Thanksgiving is that we don’t get to choose our families, only our friends. But every year we spend the Holidays with our Family and only get to spend a ‘normal’ day with our friends.
I don’t know about you, but my extended family is quite large. Christmas, Thanksgiving, and all the other holidays get to be outragious with over 40-50 people there. Let’s just say that my family should have fractured a long time ago.
The friends Thankgiving is supposed to remedy that. You pick your favorite holiday and simply invite your friends and allow them to invite some of theirs. Great time by all and allows you to not dread the holidays as much.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 5, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
It was the war of northern aggression
as my buddy from Tennessee informed me.
A Darko Fan since 2010!
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 3, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
This is not where I thought my post would lead!
Interesting stuff. Lincoln’s treatment of the supreme court makes me gasp.
I think we need to qualify who a potential cnew ustomer is for the Wolves. Your nephew may not know John Wall, but he’s unlikely to be buying season tickets either. I think the NBA benefits greatly from the biggest stars in college basketball, but even more from the NCAA pools, where even non-basketall fans may read up on players when bragging rights (and a few dollars sometimes) is on the line. Some of us would follow the wolves no matter who they add, but articles about the NCAA’s and Kentucky were prominent for anyone wanting to look. I think Wall would add more excitement to casual fans who have been reluctant to spend money on the NBA product we have right now.
That's a tough one for me...
I think the player most likely to make the biggest immediate impact for the Wolves would be Turner. I think that Wall could be a better player in the long run, barring injury and poor development. He could be a franchise defining player. Turner looks like he could be an all star.
If you’re going best player, then I’d gamble on Wall, try to turn the rights to Rubio and the 16 into a wing or another lottery pick. Wall isn’t going to get past the Wizards, or who ever might make a ridiculous trade for that pick. Wall is at the top of the board, but his name is written in light gray letters of not available. The Wolves should try to trade up to get Turner, making a good deal to do it, especially if they have a good sense that Rubio will play for the Wolves.
And of Course - Trade
I always struggle to get my head around the idea of a draft board when you have the #4 pick. If John Wall was available at #4, does that mean we traded up? Or does it mean something horrendous happened that damaged Wall’s value?
Right now, if we somehow had the first pick, I think we’d grab John Wall. Even if we wanted Evan Turner more than Wall, I think we could easily trade for him, and get an additional asset back, from whoever picked him.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sport
- Adam Morrison looks great, everyone
- Create-a-Caption: Tim Duncan puts some stank on it
- LeBron James won’t even give Lance Stephenson half a bar
- Let’s all hate the Oklahoma City Thunder shirts that take a needless shot at the team’s move from Seattle (PHOTO)
- The Golden State Warriors will likely move to San Francisco in 2017
