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Wolves Updates 6/26 Part 2


Reaction to team's draft night moves from around the web

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From The Big Lead;

Losers: David Kahn and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Got their man, Wesley Johnson, but traded for a SG/SF (Webster), then drafted a tweener who probably projects as a SF, and two foreign stash guys who play PF (remember, they still have Al Jefferson and Kevin Love).

 

From SI.com:

Though center DeMarcus Cousins may have a better NBA career, GM David Kahn could not bring himself to duplicate Al Jefferson and Kevin Love in the frontcourt. The versatile Johnson is probably one of the most NBA-ready players in the draft and he fits in well with Minnesota, which is light on scoring and playmaking on the wing.

 

From Matt Moore/ProBasketballTalk:

2. Minnesota Timberwolves: "Irrational movement is still progress." The Wolves turned 5 beautiful, untouched picks into a marginally good small forward with a considerable, if not large, contract, and several tweener players that would have been available later in the draft than where they were selected. Wes Johnson is fine, but is he better than Cousins? Than Udoh? Than Monroe? Lazar Hayward... what? And they sent Babbitt to Portland for Martell Webster...and gave them Ryan Gomes! The Wolves' GM got worked by a guy who was fired.

 

From Bill Simmons/ESPN: 

4:54: Minnesota's pick: Wesley Johnson, the Syracuse star and owner of tonight's best look (a blue blazer with checkered pants). The good news: He fills a need for the Wolves (a small forward who can rebound, shoot 3s and play right away) and puts every Syracuse fan on the sparsely filled Minnesota bandwagon (since they have Jonny Flynn as well). The bad news: For a team that's rebuilding and playing the "We're waiting for Rubio" card, he turns 23 in July and averaged just 16 points a game as a 22-year-old junior. He will never, ever make an All-Star team. So I don't know. You're telling me that Cousins (age 19) isn't going to be a better player in 2014 than Johnson is right now? Safe pick. A little too safe.

 

From Mike DeCourcy/Sporting News:

4. Minnesota Timberwolves: Wesley Johnson, SF, Syracuse. Johnson is a phenomenal athlete when asked to move in one direction: straight off the floor or directly forward. He isn't elusive, which will curb his ability to become a star on the wing. The best comparison is to Shawn Marion, who had the same limitation but became a productive scorer and rebounder. Johnson can be that good.

 

From Kelly Dwyer/Ball Don't Lie:

Grade: B

Minnesota Timberwolves: Wesley Johnson,  Lazar Hayward, Nemanja Bjelica, Paulo Prestes

Listen, I even like Martell Webster. Think highly of him. But to cash in Ryan Gomes' desirable contract and the 16th pick on Webster? Johnson might be terrible, and a guaranteed contract for Lazar Hayward? What an awful night.

 

Grade: F

 

From Stephen Brotherston/Hoopsworld:

In the meantime, Kahn was correct, not even he could not get in trouble with this year's fourth pick.

 

Chris Mannix/SI.com gives the Wolves a B+;

Here's all you need to know about Wesley Johnson: He enjoys playing in the triangle. Johnson told reporters on Wednesday that he felt very comfortable playing in the complex offense. And why shouldn't he? Johnson is a terrific shooter who should get a few open looks playing off Al Jefferson, assuming Jefferson is still a Timberwolf when the season opens. Johnson has star written all over him: He's efficient, a promising defender -- you don't know for sure with guys who played zone at Syracuse -- and a terrific rebounder at his position. Minnesota swapped the rights to Luke Babbitt to Portland for Martell Webster, a good deep shooter who could blossom outside of the Pacific Northwest. They also picked up Lazar Hayward, a limited player who will have trouble adjusting to playing small forward in the NBA.

 

CBSSports.com gives the team a B:

Analysis: Rubio, Flynn, Johnson, Jefferson, Love ... Sounds good, but it's unlikely Timberwolves fans will ever see it.

 

From Fox Sports:

Minnesota won 15 games last year, so it's in no position to be drafting players on need. Instead, the Wolves took the best player available in Johnson, who will step in and get major minutes right away. Johnson is athletic and extremely long for a small forward (7-foot wingspan). He could develop into an elite defender, guarding multiple positions. Offensively, he is a future 15-18 ppg player because he can shoot the three and also is nifty getting to the hoop.

 

From Jeff Zillgitt/USA TODAY:

Minnesota: The Timberwolves took Syracuse forward Wesley Johnson with the No. 4 pick. Johnson is a versatile athlete who can score from three-point range and get out on the break. Through separate trades they ended up with Portland Trail Blazers forward Martell Webster and Marquette forward Lazar Hayward. Minnesota is loaded at forward, but Johnson adds a much-needed perimeter threat and liked the triangle offense when he worked out for the team.

 

From Ian Thomsen/SI.com:

• Wesley Johnson. The Timberwolves' decision to use the No. 4 pick on the Syracuse forward makes a lot of sense. For starters, Cousins made it clear he didn't want to come to Minnesota by refusing to work out or interview with the Timberwolves. This is another team that lacks veteran leadership as well as perimeter scoring, and so it might have backfired to force Cousins to face endless double teams without the balance of perimeter scoring for a team he didn't want to join.

Johnson, on the other hand, fills a couple of needs. He has the potential to lead Minnesota in scoring as a rookie with the talent to not only finish in a variety of ways but also to make plays for others. He carries himself with the sense of maturity that Cousins lacks at this time, and the Timberwolves will lean on Johnson's soothing presence. No doubt this is going to be a bad team next season, but Johnson has a chance to become Rookie of the Year by posting big numbers and providing some promise as a foundational star.

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Can I get Kelly Dwyer as my next college professor?

I would love to submit an awful paper and get a B. ????

Also, please push no more traffic to PBT, the website is beyond awful, that writer in particular is just the worst.

by MoreJuice on Jun 26, 2010 3:55 PM CDT reply actions  

No shit...

That’s 5th grade level writing.

Look here junior, don't you be so happy.
And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad.

by E-6 on Jun 26, 2010 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm a fan of both PFT and HBT, so I was excited for PBT

But it’s been sooooooooooooooooo bad. I was done with it after that Moore guy constructed an entire post ripping the Timberwolves for declaring that they intend to build around Darko, which never happened, and the guy was dead serious. They get like 1 comment every 4 posts on that site, it will be gone or reinvented soon.

by MoreJuice on Jun 26, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

the dwyer grade

is an F

The clip above grabbed the wrong grade.

by rickyp on Jun 26, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Ian Thomsen from SI.com

gave a very solid analysis of the Johnson pick and how we’ll look next year.

by bbeeck on Jun 26, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

You mean he wrote a very favorable review of the pick

Anyone wanna make a bet about Johsnon being ROY? I’ll happily put money against that and/or him ever being an All-Star.

by Django Z on Jun 26, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

my guess is that he’ll be a fringe ROY candidate and then come back to earth once the rest of the rookies catch up to him in their 2nd-3rd years developmentally.

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jun 26, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

even if he is the best and most NBA ready rookie this year, that still leaves Blake Griffin to beat the crap out of his performance. Griffin is my early vote for ROY.

Buckeyes are red, Wildcats are blue,
I wanted Evan Turner, But DeMarcus Cousins will do.

by Mplax on Jun 27, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like that.

Griffin probably is going to win ROY, but that’ll piss me off. I want to know who from this draft class had the best season, dammit! Blake lost his chance when he got hurt.

by LoveTo on Jun 28, 2010 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a lot of genius arm chair GMs out there

 I’m with Kahn that there was not a player left at 16 that would be better for us than Webster. Babbitt is most likely to = Adam Morrison without the dirty stache. No thanks.

by Facial on Jun 26, 2010 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree…would certainly rather have Webster than Babbitt and since no better options for Gomes contract have surfaced, the trade is looking better. In hindsight, I would have liked to squeeze a future first rounder (lottery protected) from Portland.

I also wish we’d taken Whiteside or Alabi at 30.

by TWolvesFanInLA on Jun 26, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I kinda like Webster too

Will be fun to see his defense on a nightly basis.

The Euro picks sound good too. My grave concern is solely about Johnson. If I’m wrong about that then it will have been a good draft, maybe very good. But I’m pretty sure I’m not wrong about Johnson.

by Django Z on Jun 26, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Johnson's not a great player?

Or that he’s not any good at all?

I kind of feel like CH is unfairly on Wes’ case because he doesn’t statistically stack up to Cousins. Which he doesn’t, no, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a good player in his own right

by Oceanary on Jun 26, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nawww

Wes is a fine player, I’m sure. And complementary to the roster. But (undeservedly) he’s going to suffer from Kahn’s hype over the past year about alllllll the young players and allllllll the expiring contracts and alllllll the picks and allllllll the cap room he had at his disposal.

If the result of that is Wes Johnson (of whom you and I had not heard eight months ago), a role player from the Blazers, and a bunch second rounders, well, forgive some of us for being a bit scornful.

by PoorDick on Jun 26, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right, it’s underwhelming.

Are they better than they were a week ago – sure. The Wolves needed help at the wings last summer as well (and nothing happened).

Are the draft night moves going to lead to significantly more wins? (Rhetorical question – don’t believe anyone is arguing “yes” on this.)

by Punisher#8 on Jun 27, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's "significant?"

I actually think that even if our offseason is done today, we’d win 20-22 games next year. Flynn will be better, Love will be better (and play 80 games hopefully), and the gaping hole at the wing was filled with rotation-quality players.

We’re better than we were before the draft, and not by a negligible amount. The problem is that we still don’t have the star player that everyone knows we need.

by LoveTo on Jun 28, 2010 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wes is an okay player,

but he does not approach Cousins in terms of talent and production. If Cousins had a better attitude, he would’ve gone before Derrick Favors and Favors would have dropped to us. We could have traded Favors for Wes and change and felt better about this draft. Instead, we are stuck with a player who is no better off the dribble than I am. He better become an Assassin from three point range, or he had no business being taken fourth overall.

by Are we cursed? on Jun 27, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Weird. I think the only pick I really like was Johnson, though I would have preferred to see Cousins picked. I’m coming around to Webster, though I still think the value was pretty poor for him. The Hayward pick was a huge reach. I suppose I like Bjelica’s potential too.

by packallday555 on Jun 26, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

umm, like, whatever

stronger wing rotation + darko + another athletic big for Jeff or FA = good upgrades

The first 1/3 is done, second 1/3 likely, but the final 1/3?

We may need to keep jeff. Possibility for Jeff — Tyson Chandler + a #1 next year. You get the athletic/shot-blocker big who you try to keep or let go for cap space next year. And you get a #1 that could be in the 10 to 16 range. You lose a lot of offense, though.

This draft will be better than what folks think. We got starters at 2 and 3, a versitile backup in Lazar, and some good Euros. Our team was devoid of stars and depth last year. Well, we got the depth and we’ll see about Wes. 32 – 50 next year. Rubio, another move, and more time together = 41-41 Rubio’s first year. And we’ll see from there.

by ChicagoViking on Jun 26, 2010 6:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Incomplete

teams are going to have to deal with durant, melo, and lebron for the next decade. the intelligent thing to do was add young, skilled, physical swingmen. johnson, babbitt, and damion james/quincy pondexter are all of those things, plus versatile enough to play at the 4 spot in a small ball lineup.

all of these players fell into their laps, but they were very aggressive and appear to have added players not as highly touted. Sometimes the best move is to not make a move, but we’ll see how good the wolves are as talent evaluators.

I hope Kahn was taking notes watching Presti wheel and deal. The wolves get a point deduction for not being aggressive enough when it comes to using their caproom creatively. The only way to make it up is make shrewd use of their caproom in free agency.

I think the Prestes pick earned them a +. He’s going to be a very solid, very valuable player, in the mold of Kendrick Perkins.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Jun 26, 2010 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Disagree on Babbitt

You make a good point about teams needing to deal with Durant, Melo, and Lebron. That said, isn’t it obvious that Webster will have a much better chance defending those three than Luke Babbitt would? On the other hand, if you were thinking that Babbitt would be able to out duel those three on the offensive end I also disagree. Webster is clearly the better match up.

by Facial on Jun 27, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't know how good or bad a defender babbitt really is.

i’ve been looking at the boxscores of the lakers picks to get a better idea of how they’ve fared in matchups. somebody on a blazer board will probably do that eventually for babbitt. we’ll just have to wait and see, and unfortunately it’s going to be a long summer.

i didn’t envision him as the wolves’ stopper. i think wesley johnson has the athleticism and size to be that guy—a special 2-way player.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Jun 27, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why didn’t the Wolves pick Bjelica at 30 and Hayward at 35?

by PoohRubio on Jun 26, 2010 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

if they draft him in the first round, they are bound to the salary constraints of the first round structure. by taking him in the second round they can compete better with the Euroleague dollars as there is no salary structure for second rounders.

by nodnarb on Jun 26, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty high on Hayward

He’s gonna be a solid defensive specialist off the bench who can still shoot. Never be a starter most likely but should be good value at 30. Added upside that he’s played out of position in college so he may be better than scouts realize.

by NYCVike on Jun 26, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Hayward

is as sure of a solid reserve rotation guy as there was in the draft. I think we all know what he is and isn’t and Kahn and Rambis felt that his leadership and ability to fill a specific role was worth that draft slot. Could they have reached for a higher potential guy? Probably, but I am guessing that Rambis would like to run out real functional rotations to emphasize to people that he does in fact know how to coach.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 28, 2010 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

My thoughts on draft

I that that most writers hate khan because he used to be one of them.2 reason is that we are from a small market. and small market don’t have people in the media defending there markets. when was the last time you heard a reporter talking how good our baseball team is. even though they have been consistently good for the past few years. if it was the Red Sox we would never hear media stop about how good they were. 3rd reason is that he does to many shows. the media says they like this but in really they don’t like it. Bush did not interact with the media that much and they loved him for it. the first 6 years you could not touch Bush. that is they way Khan needs to treat the media. Even though writers hate I still give Khan a c-. because he should have not let it be known who he wanted to take. also he should have drafted cousins and traded his fat ass to the team that drafted Johnson. I think the Gomes trade was cool. I don’t want another white small forward that cant defend. we have already seen that movie before in minny. Lazar I put that on the coaches they say they liked him in work outs. that is why he got drafted. I would have drafted White or the other combo guard. the 2nd round was cool.

by chuckd@79 on Jun 26, 2010 10:30 PM CDT reply actions  

At the Town Hall

Khan mentioned that there was no trade available for Cousins that would have netted anything better than just drafting Johnson. If there were he would have done it.

by NYCVike on Jun 26, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Johnson and $1,000,000 cash?

Though I would still be very disappointed, I would be slightly less disappointed then I am right now. At least I would be confident that Kahn knows that Cousins is the better player.

by Are we cursed? on Jun 26, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would have been worse in most people's eyes

It’s one thing to select who you want. It’s another altogether to select the one your fans want, give them hope for five minutes, then trade that person away for cash and the person you originally wanted.

McHale never recovered from the Roy-for-Foye swap, which was EXACTLY what you’re describing. At the time, nobody knew (although many guessed) who would be the better player. Certainly, nobody though Foye would be the huge disappointment he ended up being. But the trade made it seem like “we HAD that guy, and traded him for garbage,” when in fact McHale just managed to get extra cash for the guy he wanted.

Talent-identifying skills aside, that sort of draft-day swap is an open invitation for a pissed-off fanbase and a loss of trust and goodwill.

by losDelFuego on Jun 27, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Webster

With him you wont see anything on a regular basis…..I know.

We must endeavor to persevere.

by Supercourse on Jun 27, 2010 5:31 PM CDT reply actions  

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