Implications of last year's Vince Carter deal
by limozeen on Jun 29, 2010 9:52 AM CDT
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PrintJust to remind everyone, the deal was:
New Jersey sent Vince Carter and Ryan Anderson to the Nets, received Tony Battie's and Rafer Alston's contracts, and Courtney Lee from the Magic.
The important thing for the Magic was that they worked Hedo Turkoglu's deal into this one as a sign and trade. The Magic received a large trade exception (around $6.8MM) in the deal.
This is the kind of framework that the big free agent and trade deals this offseason could take. For example, one or two teams (like the Pistons and Wolves) might want to take on long-term salaried players, while a third team (like Philly or other teams in cap purgatory) might want to take back expiring deals for one of their long-term contracts. One of the involved teams, or a fourth team, could work its way in to garner a trade exception for its outgoing free agent.
Al Jefferson to Detroit, Tayshaun Prince to Philly, and Andre Iguodala to Minnesota makes a bunch of sense (and may be more likely to happen mid-season if the pieces remain in place and Philly falls off).
Another consequence of the Vince Carter deal is Orlando's large trade exception. The Magic are exploring options to bring in a power forward who can play with his back to the basket, and you have to believe Al Jefferson is somewhere on their list. Orlando can mostly match salaries with its exception. In a one-on-one deal, they could include Brandon Bass, Marcin Gortat, or J.J. Redick in a sign-and-trade. A team looking to shed salary would be an ideal third wheel in this trade, since the Wolves can absorb salary under the cap.
For example, the Magic could swap their exception, plus Brandon Bass, for basically any player in the $4MM to $11MM annual range on a cap-strapped team that the Wolves want. Most of these teams would kill for the instant $7MM of savings. Then the Wolves could deal Jefferson plus Webster or Brewer (both of whom make sense for a Magic team that will probably lose Matt Barnes) for Gortat plus the acquired player. I think the salaries on this would even work for Iguodala + Gortat, though there might have to be a filler player involved.
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That would be awesome
Maybe we could again trade our (arguably) best player for cap space and flexibility along with a few loose ends, getting diminishing returns each time we go through this.
I’m glad that in our smaller market Taylor can’t go all Sterling on us as still make a big profit.
by midlife crisis on Jun 29, 2010 10:09 AM CDT reply actions
That would be awesome
But for real, with out the sarcasm.
I am from the camp that Al Jeff isn’t going to be able to work with our athletic fast team, that he is stunting the growth of Love, and that we need a center more than a power forward right now.
On the flip side, we really don’t have a pure shooting gaurd, just a handfull of wings that lean more towards being 3’s. Getting Iggy would be perfect for our team.
Iggy would be great
But that’s not what New Jersey received. New Jersey received spare parts and cap space. There’s no way we get Iggy for a PF coming off an injury that the FO says needs to leave. We’re thinking all-star for Al Jeff, but other teams are more mindful of the Gasol trade. That’s more likely what we get.
by midlife crisis on Jun 29, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Iggy is overpaid, too.
Arguably more-so than Big Al.
A trade built around Jefferson for Iguodala isn’t at all implausible, but for the fact that Philadelphia wouldn’t want a straight up swap, hence the inclusion of a new destination for Jefferson.
By mid-season
Jeff could be back to the all-star level he was at a few seasons ago. Not too much of a stretch to say that.
I would trade Jefferson for Iguodala in a second
then sign Darko and Pek, and the wolves are set for a solid season.
Not sure if Philly wants to give up Iguodala for an expiring only.
Me too
Sounds like it would really tighten up our rotation. I think that like the article briefly said, it would have to be mid season. They have a lot of salary on that team, and it might become clear Turner and Iggy don’t work together, or it might just be that their team stinks and they want to rework some things.
Either way, this seems to be a mid-season idea depending on how the sixers end up looking, but I am very for it.
i thought tpe's could not be combined...
with players or other tpe’s… can they?
by callmeishmael on Jun 29, 2010 11:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
According to the most reliable of sources, Wikipedia:
“Teams with a trade exception have up to a year in which they can acquire more salary in other trades (Trade #2, #3, etc) than they send away, as long as the gulf in salaries for Trade #2, #3, etc are less than or equal to the difference in salary for Trade #1.” I believe that means that the Magic would have to send equal value in a deal, and not just get within 115% like usual.
125%
But close enough.
As long as we’re at it, another area where your general point is correct but the details aren’t (or at least I’m pretty sure) is in, well, your title. I don’t think the Vince Carter deal has anything to do with where Orlando got the trade exception. New Jersey got a small trade exception from the Vince Carter deal ($1,347,458). They weren’t involved with the Hedo to Toronto sign and trade, which was a separate transaction that netted Orlando its $6,864,200 exception.
I couldn’t find the full details, but if I recall right, the Turkoglu sign-and-trade was basically interwoven with the VC deal. Either way, it seems to me that the Carter trade is both a framework for how many deals could go down this summer (and if the Turkoglu sign-and-trade was worked in, even more so), and a point of practical concern for the Wolves because of the Turkoglu trade exception.
Jefferson for Gortat and Cap Space?
Sign me up! Gortat is cheap and signed for another 4 years and could emerge as one of the league’s best centers, he fills and instant need, clears the log jam at PF, gives Love the starting minutes, and removes a locker room cancer who gets DUI’s and refers to him teammates as his ‘son’.
You are correct
Up until you call him a cancer. I don’t believe that. Jeff is a hard worker, and he refers to Love as a son in a respecting way, as in he wants to help mentor him in the league.
But you are right about the PF logjam, and letting Love start for sure.
Not sure I'd call Gortat cheap
But compared to rumors of Darko’s impending deal, his contract looks nice. Gortat is a big man I’ve wanted for a while, he’d give the Wolves a bruiser up front.
by Madsen's 3-Point Barrage on Jun 29, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
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