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Community Draft Board, pt. 3: The Cold Product Edition

OK folks, it's part 3 of the Hoopus Community Draft Board.  Who do you think should be #3 on the Wolves' draft board?  So far we have this:

 

  1. John Wall
  2. Evan Turner
Also, I'm sitting here watching Chicago and Philly play some of the most exciting, top-level professional sports in HD on a 42 inch screen with 5.1 surround (with the best play-by-play announcer in all of sports) and it's hit me: The NHL's on-ice product is vastly superior to the on-court action in the NBA.  It's really not even close.  From the crowds to the broadcast to the speed to the non-stop action to the quality of play, the NHL is putting the NBA to shame...and that kind of pisses me off.  

My first sporting event was a Boston/North Stars game at the old Met.  Back in the early 80s we had a bunch of families on the 5500 block on 28th avenue in south Minneapolis (right near Bossen Field) get together to watch Wednesday Night hockey and root for Bobby Smith and the Stars.  We played boot hockey up at Bossen and in the alley.  We used to eat at this place called Just For the Halibut, which was owned by a former North Star.  

Then Norm Green came along, kicked me in the nuts, and I turned full-time to basketball.  

Anywho, I've always been a big hockey fan, even after the Stars left.  I've never really played organized hockey like I did organized basketball, but I know enough about both sports to appreciate the finer points in each presentation.  The Stanley Cup playoffs dwarf the NBA playoffs in terms of quality, watch-ability, likability, and fan-friendliness.  It shouldn't be this way.  Basketball should be America's peoples' game.  It shouldn't be viewed the way it's currently viewed and it deserves better.  Expansion has hit it hard and the Starbury ethic of the late 90s still lingers in a bad way in peoples' mouths.  Cap space, free agent summits, and draft picks have turned it into a league that is more notable for its off-the-court antics than...well, perhaps we shouldn't talk too loudly about this year's playoffs, which may be some of the most unwatchable ball in recent memory.  

OK, I've ranted for long enough.  Vote for the draft board.  Wait another 2 days for the NBA to roll out a ho-hum Finals game.  I've got to wrap up this post before the 3rd period starts. 
Poll
Who should be the #3 player on the Wolves' draft board?
DeMarcus Cousins
199 votes
Derrick Favors
273 votes
Wes Johnson
48 votes
Ed Davis
3 votes
Al Faroq Aminu
3 votes
Cole Aldrich
7 votes
Other player (make note in comments)
2 votes

535 votes | Poll has closed

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The draft is an interesting place for the NBA

We tend to focus so much more on athletic ability than actual basketball skills. Should Thabeet have been drafted in the lottery at all? Did Durant’s weak bench press ruin his career? Mike Conley was the fastest, nearly the highest jumping, and bench presed 185 13 times.
Which is another way of saying that if Cousins isn’t JR Rider level crazy then we should draft him.

by midlife crisis on Jun 4, 2010 11:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Disagree, sort of

First off, two of those examples are misplaced. Durant was picked 2nd Overall — its not like he slipped in the draft. Without injuries, Oden might very well be playing at a level similar to Durant’s. Also, Conley was taken immediately before Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian, Corey Brewer and Brandon Wright. The next point guard taken was Acie Law IV. Conley averaged 12 & 5 last year on a pretty decent Memphis team, where his role didn’t really allow him to do more than that. He wasn’t necessarily the wrong pick at that spot, at that time. Thabeet may have been a big mistake. We’ll probably find out more on that this year, when Z-Bo is serving time for his drug dealing and HT gets some legitimate playing time.

by Andy G on Jun 5, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would use conley

more as an example of what happens after you fal below the top tier. No matter who you pick you will get crap for wasting a high selection. Sometimes in a draft you don’t really get to make a decision on which player. In a four player draft you simply take the remaining top tiered player and see if anyone offers an acceptable deal or will accept an acceptable deal from you. If not, then you roll with what you have.

Everyone keeps on talking about how MN can’t lure a top tier FA. So how are we supposed to add this talent? No one will realistically trade them to us either, and that leaves the draft. I am adamently against ever selecting “role players” with a high pick for this reason. You go for broke or you have simply resigned yourself to mediocrity. I thought when most decided that we didn’t want mediocrity that it would be obvious on who to select and what types of trades we would accept (ones where we get the best player back even if it means overpaying slightly).

The best player is usually the one with the most skill and they are either limited by athleticism and enabled to be great with superior athleticism. Athleticism for me is the super tiebreaker, not the primary grading criteria.

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by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 5, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s getting a bit more difficult now…

Have to say I really liked the playoffs the year Miami won and the year before … the spurs, suns, dallas matchups were crazy…

Official Kahn/Rambis band-wagon rider since 2009

by Wim (Belgium) on Jun 5, 2010 1:16 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah...

…this year’s playoffs have been terrible. the bucks/hawks series was some of the most awful pro basketball i’ve seen in recent memory.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 5, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

huh?

I disagree, I guess. Not necessarily about Bucks-Hawks, but the playoffs as a whole. I’ve watched a ton of these games and enjoyed most of them. Boston-Cleveland was one of the more interesting playoff series’ that I can remember. LA-Oklahoma City was, too. Phoenix was always entertaining. These Finals, with somewhere between 4 and 6 Hall of Famers playing, is hardly underwhelming.

Expansion hasn’t been less of a factor in the NBA in over 20 years. There is plenty of talent for 30 teams. That doesn’t mean every team can contend every year, but we’ve seen some rapid turnarounds in Milwaukee and Oklahoma City that suggest that the talent gap, top to bottom, is less than it used to be. The biggest problem right now is the Washington Wizards problem, where teams dump their best players on contenders, to save some money. But, that doesn’t hurt the playoffs any, obviously.

The NHL playoffs are very entertaining, if you’re into hockey and can handle watching it on TV. But, more than being great, the playoffs really bring to light how meaningless their regular season is. 8 seeds beat 1 seeds, home ice barely matters, if it matters at all. As long as you’re into the playoffs, you’re on equal ground with the rest. The NBA has a long season with its share of problems from a competitive standpoint, but nobody doubts that you’d rather face an 8 seed than a 1 seed or that home court advantage is a big key that’s worth trying to earn.

by Andy G on Jun 5, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

blowout after blowout..

…teams giving up, a questionable first game of the finals…the suns were a nice story but this has been a post season of lebron being weird, the bucks and hawks alternating quitting throughout the worst 7 game series in league history…look back at the boston/cleveland series. it had huge blowouts and sub-par (and weird) play from the best player in the world. how many overtime games have we had in this year’s playoffs? have i enjoyed the playoffs simply because i like basketball? yeah, a bit, but if we’re talking about meaningless regular seasons (anyone remember going to see the lakers at the target center and getting treated to some non-kobe action? how about all the tanking the celtics did a few years back to try and get good? it’s one of the bigger traveshamockeries in professional sports) and quality of play, this year’s playoffs have been the type of product that isn’t going to win any casual fans.

that being said, celtics/lakers is a brand by itself and here’s hoping the finals can get back some of what we missed so far throughout the playoffs. although after terrible play and about 20 fouls in the first quarter of game 1, i’m not optimistic.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 5, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Name four dramatic moments from this year's playoffs.

The examples I can think about are things like LeBron and the Cavs accepting defeat with strange passivity. The contrast between the Spurs-Suns series Wim remembers and the one this year is pretty telling.

I also particularly hate the NBA’s attenuated playoff scheduling, and would strongly favor a tightened schedule. Somehow the NCAA tournament ratings don’t suffer unduly from being packed into dense weekends; it adds to the feeling of its being an event, and people pay attention. NBA playoff series are…. dilute.

"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR

by feral on Jun 5, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I truly do not understand why people rate Favors...

I understand what an athletic freak he is. I also understand why that seems so attractive on our team, which is sorely lacking athleticism.

But taking him 3rd in the draft is madness. At this point, the only thing he does at an NBA level is recounding and help defending. He is an absolute raw project at anything else. Don’t even get me started on the mess that is his low post game (or as I call it…Turnover Time).

I get the attraction of pairing him with Rubio. I get the Stoudemire comparisons. But 3rd? UGHHHHH….. Maybe at 10, which I believe is where Stoudemire was taken…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jun 5, 2010 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

What exactly is your argument?

Are you saying that Stoudemire wouldn’t be of value at #3? He was drafted 9th and nobody ahead of him (besides maybe Yao Ming) has produced at a level even close to him. If Favors is anything like Stoudemire, he’s being valued perfectly.

by KMils on Jun 5, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

especially..

….if he can defend, which it looks like he can.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jun 5, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

My argument...

Is that some seem so focused on adding “athleticism” to our team that they are overlooking a lot of red flags in his game. I see almost no chance of him ever getting close to Amare’s offensive game.

I watched Tech about 1/2 dozen times last year (mostly in the ACC and NCAA tourneys), and I saw a guy who can dunk, block shots, and not much else. Calling his offensive game “raw” is generous. Wish I could remember which game it was, but every time he touched the ball on the low block it was a turnover. EVERY…SINGLE…TIME. That’s not hyperbole either.

All the athleticism in the world means squat when you don’t know what do with it. Just ask Tyrus Thomas, Marvin Williams, Kwame Brown, Stromile Swift. Or Jonny Flynn for that matter.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jun 5, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Favors performed pretty well over the last 10 games, and in the ACC tournament where he lead his team to the Finals. During these games he was not a background player, but the #1 option and he was more assertive. Take a look at his scoring output during these last 10 games and it compares very favorable to what Cousins did during that same timeframe. Now obviously smaller sample sizes breed sampling errors, but I think it was very encouraging to see improvement in Favors game especially by the end of his first year. He is also one of the youngest prospects in the draft.

by Ebomb on Jun 5, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe at 14, which is where Anthony Randolph was taken.

"No experience has been too unimportant, and the smallest event unfolds like a fate..." RMR

by feral on Jun 5, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Random side comment (I voted Favors)

I’d start listing prospects in alphabetical order by last name.

Check out my NBA Draft blog:
http://casperkid23.blogspot.com/

by Casperkid23 on Jun 5, 2010 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

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